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"So it seems that labour will stand on a second referendum if a general election was called.How many leave labour supporters would vote for them and how many remain conservative supports could bring themselves to?" 5 million Labour voters voted Leave during the referendum and many Labour constituencies voted Leave in Labour heartlands. They will feel betrayed by Labour if they back a 2nd referendum and I think Labour will lose a lot of support. | |||
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"So it seems that labour will stand on a second referendum if a general election was called.How many leave labour supporters would vote for them and how many remain conservative supports could bring themselves to? 5 million Labour voters voted Leave during the referendum and many Labour constituencies voted Leave in Labour heartlands. They will feel betrayed by Labour if they back a 2nd referendum and I think Labour will lose a lot of support. " ...or they won't feel betrayed at all because they don't like the way things have gone. You don't actually know do you? | |||
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"I just wonder what will happen if leave won again and the eu wont change thier stance on the backstop.It would have to be a crash out for democracy to work." Yep. Then possibly the end of democracy for a little while in the chaos? It's easier to impose a monotheistic view on a divided country that way. Who knows? | |||
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"If any further referendum is going to happen and it happens on the basis that lies, disinformation and deceit are prevented - the Leave vote will be completely dismantled." I dont believe that to be honest both sides lied about what would happen and personaly i dont know any leave voters despite all this who have changed thier minds. | |||
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"I just wonder what will happen if leave won again and the eu wont change thier stance on the backstop.It would have to be a crash out for democracy to work. Yep. Then possibly the end of democracy for a little while in the chaos? It's easier to impose a monotheistic view on a divided country that way. Who knows?" so you are in favour of an undemocratic county just to fulfill your dream of staying in the eu? | |||
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"If any further referendum is going to happen and it happens on the basis that lies, disinformation and deceit are prevented - the Leave vote will be completely dismantled.I dont believe that to be honest both sides lied about what would happen and personaly i dont know any leave voters despite all this who have changed thier minds." If a GE was called and whoever won then I believe the new Government even if conservative should then go back to the people. I dont believe May would survive if her (no)deal is voted down, and that would then possibly cause a GE to be called. | |||
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"If any further referendum is going to happen and it happens on the basis that lies, disinformation and deceit are prevented - the Leave vote will be completely dismantled.I dont believe that to be honest both sides lied about what would happen and personaly i dont know any leave voters despite all this who have changed thier minds. If a GE was called and whoever won then I believe the new Government even if conservative should then go back to the people. I dont believe May would survive if her (no)deal is voted down, and that would then possibly cause a GE to be called. " I am saying labour now seem in favour of another vote the conservatives are not so if that was in thier GE manifesto how would people concience vote party or beliefs? | |||
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"I just wonder what will happen if leave won again and the eu wont change thier stance on the backstop.It would have to be a crash out for democracy to work. Yep. Then possibly the end of democracy for a little while in the chaos? It's easier to impose a monotheistic view on a divided country that way. Who knows?so you are in favour of an undemocratic county just to fulfill your dream of staying in the eu?" Er, no. As a matter of fact my dream is not to remain in the EU. There is plenty wrong with it. My pragmatic preference is to remain in the EU compared to the outcome I see as a consequence of leaving. Actually my expectation is that leaving the EU is more likely to lead to the breakdown of democratic institutions and therefore the system of government itself. Right wing, nativist groups are far likely to demand this as evidenced in Hungary, Poland and the USA. Even in the UK questioning the legitimacy of government, Parliament and the judiciary when it does not deliver the "right", impossible to achieve demands. | |||
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"If any further referendum is going to happen and it happens on the basis that lies, disinformation and deceit are prevented - the Leave vote will be completely dismantled.I dont believe that to be honest both sides lied about what would happen and personaly i dont know any leave voters despite all this who have changed thier minds." The BBC's polling guru Professor John Curtis said, "There is no consistent evidence showing any increase in support for a 2nd referendum." On that basis will Labour be flogging a dead horse with this policy shift? John Curtis also says that people just haven't changed their minds about how they voted in 2016, and a new Deltapoll survey that came out a few days ago showed leaving the EU with No Deal on 52% against remaining in the EU on 48%, exactly the same numbers we saw in the 2016 result. | |||
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"I just wonder what will happen if leave won again and the eu wont change thier stance on the backstop.It would have to be a crash out for democracy to work. Yep. Then possibly the end of democracy for a little while in the chaos? It's easier to impose a monotheistic view on a divided country that way. Who knows?so you are in favour of an undemocratic county just to fulfill your dream of staying in the eu?" Of course he is, the EU is undemocratic and he wants to stay in it, so it follows he doesn't support or like democracy at all. Remoaners all over the country have shown a complete disdain for democracy over the last 2 1/2 years. | |||
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"I just wonder what will happen if leave won again and the eu wont change thier stance on the backstop.It would have to be a crash out for democracy to work." A very good point | |||
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"I just wonder what will happen if leave won again and the eu wont change thier stance on the backstop.It would have to be a crash out for democracy to work. Yep. Then possibly the end of democracy for a little while in the chaos? It's easier to impose a monotheistic view on a divided country that way. Who knows?so you are in favour of an undemocratic county just to fulfill your dream of staying in the eu? Er, no. As a matter of fact my dream is not to remain in the EU. There is plenty wrong with it. My pragmatic preference is to remain in the EU compared to the outcome I see as a consequence of leaving. Actually my expectation is that leaving the EU is more likely to lead to the breakdown of democratic institutions and therefore the system of government itself. Right wing, nativist groups are far likely to demand this as evidenced in Hungary, Poland and the USA. Even in the UK questioning the legitimacy of government, Parliament and the judiciary when it does not deliver the "right", impossible to achieve demands." Why right wing groups it seems to me a lot of labour voters voted to leave are they right wing labour voters? Seems to me to many people try to make brexit left v right where it clearly doesn't exist in reality just in there minds. | |||
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"If any further referendum is going to happen and it happens on the basis that lies, disinformation and deceit are prevented - the Leave vote will be completely dismantled.I dont believe that to be honest both sides lied about what would happen and personaly i dont know any leave voters despite all this who have changed thier minds. The BBC's polling guru Professor John Curtis said, "There is no consistent evidence showing any increase in support for a 2nd referendum." On that basis will Labour be flogging a dead horse with this policy shift? John Curtis also says that people just haven't changed their minds about how they voted in 2016, and a new Deltapoll survey that came out a few days ago showed leaving the EU with No Deal on 52% against remaining in the EU on 48%, exactly the same numbers we saw in the 2016 result. " You don't believe in polls 
What does the information that you don't believe tell you then?
Most polling supports a second referendum and indicates a shift to remain.
There's no strong support to leave the EU either.
Again, as you only read headlines, the delta poll had 18% as "don't know". Silly man.
Anyway, Farage said 48:52 would be unfinished business.
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"Brexit has divided a country and I fear it will never "heal". A second referendum will not benefit anyone, it will only invoke more hatered between the two camps! Whats the solution? I don't know - maybe just walk away - give it 5 years then start again at least we will know who was right & who was wrong!" People talk about division in Europe. But that is nothing compared to the division in the UK. Northern Ireland “trapped” by the collective bargaining power of Ireland, Scotland straining at the bit and England seemingly riven by racial tension and far right politics. This won’t end with the UK leaving the EU. The UK will disintegrate before the EU does. | |||
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"If any further referendum is going to happen and it happens on the basis that lies, disinformation and deceit are prevented - the Leave vote will be completely dismantled.I dont believe that to be honest both sides lied about what would happen and personaly i dont know any leave voters despite all this who have changed thier minds. The BBC's polling guru Professor John Curtis said, "There is no consistent evidence showing any increase in support for a 2nd referendum." On that basis will Labour be flogging a dead horse with this policy shift? John Curtis also says that people just haven't changed their minds about how they voted in 2016, and a new Deltapoll survey that came out a few days ago showed leaving the EU with No Deal on 52% against remaining in the EU on 48%, exactly the same numbers we saw in the 2016 result. You don't believe in polls
What does the information that you don't believe tell you then?
Most polling supports a second referendum and indicates a shift to remain.
There's no strong support to leave the EU either.
Again, as you only read headlines, the delta poll had 18% as "don't know". Silly man.
Anyway, Farage said 48:52 would be unfinished business.
It's unfinished business "You do believe in polls though don't you, so maybe it was posted for your benefit, or it seems you only believe polls when they support your cognitive biased world view.
You say "most" polling supports a 2nd referendum and indicates a shift to remain, "most" polling is not "all" pollung is it. Also "most" polling said we'd have a hung parliament in the 2015 general election, turns out "most" polling was wrong in that case and Cameron got a majority, and "most" polling supported a remain vote in the 2016 EU referendum, turns out "most" polling was wrong again.
You say there's no strong support to leave the EU either, Deja Vu, I seem to recall remainers saying that in 2016 and the country voted Leave. | |||
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"If any further referendum is going to happen and it happens on the basis that lies, disinformation and deceit are prevented - the Leave vote will be completely dismantled.I dont believe that to be honest both sides lied about what would happen and personaly i dont know any leave voters despite all this who have changed thier minds. The BBC's polling guru Professor John Curtis said, "There is no consistent evidence showing any increase in support for a 2nd referendum." On that basis will Labour be flogging a dead horse with this policy shift? John Curtis also says that people just haven't changed their minds about how they voted in 2016, and a new Deltapoll survey that came out a few days ago showed leaving the EU with No Deal on 52% against remaining in the EU on 48%, exactly the same numbers we saw in the 2016 result. You don't believe in polls
What does the information that you don't believe tell you then?
Most polling supports a second referendum and indicates a shift to remain.
There's no strong support to leave the EU either.
Again, as you only read headlines, the delta poll had 18% as "don't know". Silly man.
Anyway, Farage said 48:52 would be unfinished business.
It's unfinished business
You do believe in polls though don't you, so maybe it was posted for your benefit, or it seems you only believe polls when they support your cognitive biased world view.
You say "most" polling supports a 2nd referendum and indicates a shift to remain, "most" polling is not "all" polling is it. Also "most" polling said we'd have a hung parliament in the 2015 general election, turns out "most" polling was wrong in that case and Cameron got a majority, and "most" polling supported a remain vote in the 2016 EU referendum, turns out "most" polling was wrong again.
You say there's no strong support to leave the EU either, Deja Vu, I seem to recall remainers saying that in 2016 and the country voted Leave. "You are relentless is your ability to not understand that some people see the world differently to you 
Polls are indications of what people may think at a particular point in time. They also depend heavily on the exact question asked and the order that questions may be ordered. It is also possible to pick one result and ignore another, contradictory one, from the same data set.
As you only ever quote headlines you never bother to find out how useful any given poll is in context.
All polls are flawed as are all modelled predictions. That doesn't prevent them from being useful.
A 48:52 vote does not imply strong support for any position regardless of the argument as the swing vote in this instance is so high.
Just because there has been one or two unexpected results does not mean this is what will happen forever more does it? If that were the case then another referendum could return a 70% remain vite couldn't it?
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"If any further referendum is going to happen and it happens on the basis that lies, disinformation and deceit are prevented - the Leave vote will be completely dismantled.I dont believe that to be honest both sides lied about what would happen and personaly i dont know any leave voters despite all this who have changed thier minds. The BBC's polling guru Professor John Curtis said, "There is no consistent evidence showing any increase in support for a 2nd referendum." On that basis will Labour be flogging a dead horse with this policy shift? John Curtis also says that people just haven't changed their minds about how they voted in 2016, and a new Deltapoll survey that came out a few days ago showed leaving the EU with No Deal on 52% against remaining in the EU on 48%, exactly the same numbers we saw in the 2016 result. You don't believe in polls
What does the information that you don't believe tell you then?
Most polling supports a second referendum and indicates a shift to remain.
There's no strong support to leave the EU either.
Again, as you only read headlines, the delta poll had 18% as "don't know". Silly man.
Anyway, Farage said 48:52 would be unfinished business.
It's unfinished business
You do believe in polls though don't you, so maybe it was posted for your benefit, or it seems you only believe polls when they support your cognitive biased world view.
You say "most" polling supports a 2nd referendum and indicates a shift to remain, "most" polling is not "all" pollung is it. Also "most" polling said we'd have a hung parliament in the 2015 general election, turns out "most" polling was wrong in that case and Cameron got a majority, and "most" polling supported a remain vote in the 2016 EU referendum, turns out "most" polling was wrong again.
You say there's no strong support to leave the EU either, Deja Vu, I seem to recall remainers saying that in 2016 and the country voted Leave. "Yeah, we might as well stop using 'experts' for everything....people have had accidents at work despite 'risk assessments' and 'safety gear' so whats the point? I might ask to fly the plane next time I go on holiday, I've got a flight simulator on my computer. | |||
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"I just wonder what will happen if leave won again and the eu wont change thier stance on the backstop.It would have to be a crash out for democracy to work. Yep. Then possibly the end of democracy for a little while in the chaos? It's easier to impose a monotheistic view on a divided country that way. Who knows?so you are in favour of an undemocratic county just to fulfill your dream of staying in the eu? Er, no. As a matter of fact my dream is not to remain in the EU. There is plenty wrong with it. My pragmatic preference is to remain in the EU compared to the outcome I see as a consequence of leaving. Actually my expectation is that leaving the EU is more likely to lead to the breakdown of democratic institutions and therefore the system of government itself. Right wing, nativist groups are far likely to demand this as evidenced in Hungary, Poland and the USA. Even in the UK questioning the legitimacy of government, Parliament and the judiciary when it does not deliver the "right", impossible to achieve demands.Why right wing groups it seems to me a lot of labour voters voted to leave are they right wing labour voters? Seems to me to many people try to make brexit left v right where it clearly doesn't exist in reality just in there minds." That's a fair comment. I conservative with a small "c" or authoritarian. That can be either left or right but seeks to impose conformity even if a large minority or even the majority disagrees. Reasonable? | |||
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"So it seems that labour will stand on a second referendum if a general election was called.How many leave labour supporters would vote for them and how many remain conservative supports could bring themselves to? 5 million Labour voters voted Leave during the referendum and many Labour constituencies voted Leave in Labour heartlands. They will feel betrayed by Labour if they back a 2nd referendum and I think Labour will lose a lot of support. " I think that's why the People's Vote campaign commissioned a YouGov analysis of polling of 26,000 people to gauge opinion. That analysis showed the majority if people in all Labour held constituencies back a new referendum. Do you remember talking about the £1 million donation they got to fund polls, etc and how you said it wouldn't make a difference? | |||
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"Think I will vote for jezza...get the great man in place ... And then piss off for my retirement in France and leave everyone to enjoy the Labour experience under jc... If we have a second vote ..do we then have best of 3 or 5 ...." Sure. Why not? Vote the MPs in who want it. I'm not sure how anyone running on a campaign for a third referendum will play though. Why would you vote for something for someone else to live with? Does that seem appropriate to you? I guess it does. Just seems odd to me  | |||
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"Think I will vote for jezza...get the great man in place ... And then piss off for my retirement in France and leave everyone to enjoy the Labour experience under jc... If we have a second vote ..do we then have best of 3 or 5 ...." . Good luck with your retirement.  | |||
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"Think I will vote for jezza...get the great man in place ... And then piss off for my retirement in France and leave everyone to enjoy the Labour experience under jc... If we have a second vote ..do we then have best of 3 or 5 ...." So you're all for your freedom of movement to retire, but not for people who want to move and work? | |||
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"So it seems that labour will stand on a second referendum if a general election was called.How many leave labour supporters would vote for them and how many remain conservative supports could bring themselves to?" That's not what Starmer said. Labour's policy is to push for a General Election. If a vote of no confidence doesnt bring down the government, then they will consider pressing for a People's vote | |||
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It is the logical end game. A binary vote with no deal or remain as the 2 options. May doesn't care if her deal is accepted or not. She knows it's never going to happen so will ditch it and offer the 2 options back to the electorate only this time there will be no Phoney Brexit. | |||
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"There will be a request for a time extension and a second referendum. There you saw it on Fab first
It is the logical end game. A binary vote with no deal or remain as the 2 options. May doesn't care if her deal is accepted or not. She knows it's never going to happen so will ditch it and offer the 2 options back to the electorate only this time there will be no Phoney Brexit."If May loses this vote she won't be around to do any such thing. Her job is on the line with this vote if she loses she's out the door of number 10. | |||
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"There will be a request for a time extension and a second referendum. There you saw it on Fab first
It is the logical end game. A binary vote with no deal or remain as the 2 options. May doesn't care if her deal is accepted or not. She knows it's never going to happen so will ditch it and offer the 2 options back to the electorate only this time there will be no Phoney Brexit.
If May loses this vote she won't be around to do any such thing. Her job is on the line with this vote if she loses she's out the door of number 10. "Ha ha I don't think she cares mate. She needs to be congratulated for doing a good job for remain to get us to the end game with the power to choose still intact. She has served us well and prevented Boris and his cronies getting their hands on the levers of power. | |||
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"If Mays deal gets kicked out i the house (which it will) its odds on for a second brexit vote today with the bookies " It's the next logical step. If I was a leaver I would take the deal on offer. It'll be like swallowing shit but that's all they've fed us for the last 2 years. | |||
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"If Mays deal gets kicked out i the house (which it will) its odds on for a second brexit vote today with the bookies " It's inevitable now.The bookies are correct. I hear many brexiters have said if there's a second vote they'll never vote again.That gives a warm and fuzzy feeling because that could make it a land slide victory for remainers. | |||
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"Second referendum. Yeah! bring it on and if the vote is to leave let's argue for another 2 years then have a third and a fourth, and fifth. Let's just have as many as it takes until the remoaners get the answer they want. "That is democracy isn't it, or have I misunderstood? | |||
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"Second referendum. Yeah! bring it on and if the vote is to leave let's argue for another 2 years then have a third and a fourth, and fifth. Let's just have as many as it takes until the remoaners get the answer they want. "It's nothing like that actually. The big difference between this vote and previous is that we can now stand on the boundary between EU membership and non membership and decide as a nation if that's what we want to do. The previous vote was not as we had comfort blanket of 2 years negotiations with no consequences of actually leaving. I disagree with you. Sorry. | |||
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"There will be a request for a time extension and a second referendum. There you saw it on Fab first
It is the logical end game. A binary vote with no deal or remain as the 2 options. May doesn't care if her deal is accepted or not. She knows it's never going to happen so will ditch it and offer the 2 options back to the electorate only this time there will be no Phoney Brexit.
If May loses this vote she won't be around to do any such thing. Her job is on the line with this vote if she loses she's out the door of number 10. "Don’t you think that for somebody who ended up getting the leadership by default that maybe just maybe she has done a pretty good job of pushing the whole thing towards either a new government or as seems more likely a second referendum? I just hope your stiff neck doesn’t break you if Brexit doesn’t happen | |||
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"Second referendum. Yeah! bring it on and if the vote is to leave let's argue for another 2 years then have a third and a fourth, and fifth. Let's just have as many as it takes until the remoaners get the answer they want.
That is democracy isn't it, or have I misunderstood?"Yes you've misunderstood, as per usual. | |||
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"If Mays deal gets kicked out i the house (which it will) its odds on for a second brexit vote today with the bookies It's inevitable now.The bookies are correct. I hear many brexiters have said if there's a second vote they'll never vote again.That gives a warm and fuzzy feeling because that could make it a land slide victory for remainers." The bookies are not always correct either, a bit like pollsters and economists. Remain was odds on favourite to win the referendum in 2016, I put a big bet on Leave winning against the odds and picked up a tidy pay packet on June 24th, the day after the country voted Leave. | |||
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"There will be a request for a time extension and a second referendum. There you saw it on Fab first
It is the logical end game. A binary vote with no deal or remain as the 2 options. May doesn't care if her deal is accepted or not. She knows it's never going to happen so will ditch it and offer the 2 options back to the electorate only this time there will be no Phoney Brexit.
If May loses this vote she won't be around to do any such thing. Her job is on the line with this vote if she loses she's out the door of number 10.
Ha ha I don't think she cares mate. She needs to be congratulated for doing a good job for remain to get us to the end game with the power to choose still intact. She has served us well and prevented Boris and his cronies getting their hands on the levers of power."You are cocky I'll give you that. But alas I've seen it all before on here with cocky remainers in 2016 who were cock sure they'd win. They were left with egg on their faces after the vote and many of them went silent and stopped posting. | |||
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"Second referendum. Yeah! bring it on and if the vote is to leave let's argue for another 2 years then have a third and a fourth, and fifth. Let's just have as many as it takes until the remoaners get the answer they want.
That is democracy isn't it, or have I misunderstood?
Yes you've misunderstood, as per usual. "In a democracy, you can't change your mind as the situation changed. Got it | |||
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"Second referendum. Yeah! bring it on and if the vote is to leave let's argue for another 2 years then have a third and a fourth, and fifth. Let's just have as many as it takes until the remoaners get the answer they want.
That is democracy isn't it, or have I misunderstood?
Yes you've misunderstood, as per usual.
In a democracy, you can't change your mind as the situation changed.
Got it "In a democracy you establish rules before a vote. Before a general election all parties agree it will be a 5 year term before the next election. Before the referendum the £9 million taxpayer funded government leaflet sent to every house in the country said this would be a once in a generation chance to vote on this and the decision would be respected and implemented. Remainers accepted this without question at the time because you thought you'd win. Now you've lost you've thrown your toys out of your pram and want another one. Got it. | |||
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"Second referendum. Yeah! bring it on and if the vote is to leave let's argue for another 2 years then have a third and a fourth, and fifth. Let's just have as many as it takes until the remoaners get the answer they want.
That is democracy isn't it, or have I misunderstood?
Yes you've misunderstood, as per usual.
In a democracy, you can't change your mind as the situation changed.
Got it
In a democracy you establish rules before a vote. Before a general election all parties agree it will be a 5 year term before the next election. Before the referendum the £9 million taxpayer funded government leaflet sent to every house in the country said this would be a once in a generation chance to vote on this and the decision would be respected and implemented. Remainers accepted this without question at the time because you thought you'd win. Now you've lost you've thrown your toys out of your pram and want another one.
Got it.
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"Second referendum. Yeah! bring it on and if the vote is to leave let's argue for another 2 years then have a third and a fourth, and fifth. Let's just have as many as it takes until the remoaners get the answer they want.
That is democracy isn't it, or have I misunderstood?
Yes you've misunderstood, as per usual.
In a democracy, you can't change your mind as the situation changed.
Got it
In a democracy you establish rules before a vote. Before a general election all parties agree it will be a 5 year term before the next election. Before the referendum the £9 million taxpayer funded government leaflet sent to every house in the country said this would be a once in a generation chance to vote on this and the decision would be respected and implemented. Remainers accepted this without question at the time because you thought you'd win. Now you've lost you've thrown your toys out of your pram and want another one.
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"There will be a request for a time extension and a second referendum. There you saw it on Fab first
It is the logical end game. A binary vote with no deal or remain as the 2 options. May doesn't care if her deal is accepted or not. She knows it's never going to happen so will ditch it and offer the 2 options back to the electorate only this time there will be no Phoney Brexit.
If May loses this vote she won't be around to do any such thing. Her job is on the line with this vote if she loses she's out the door of number 10.
Ha ha I don't think she cares mate. She needs to be congratulated for doing a good job for remain to get us to the end game with the power to choose still intact. She has served us well and prevented Boris and his cronies getting their hands on the levers of power.
You are cocky I'll give you that. But alas I've seen it all before on here with cocky remainers in 2016 who were cock sure they'd win. They were left with egg on their faces after the vote and many of them went silent and stopped posting. "You should be really proud that you won - fact! However when you look at the foul means in which you did win, (all coming out now), then it's just like an athlete's win who had to cheat to win - morally worthless! The problem is our archaic laws have not kept pace with technology so your getting away with it! | |||
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"2.6 million Leave voters have abandoned support for Brexit since referendum, major new study finds More than 2.6 million people have abandoned their support for Brexit and now back staying in the EU, a major study has concluded. If the huge number of Britons who have changed their mind had voted to stay in the EU in 2016, the referendum would have delivered a clear Remain verdict. The new study was carried out by data analysis experts Focaldata for pro-EU campaign group Best for Britain. It was based on two YouGov polls that together surveyed more than 15,000 people. In total, it concluded that 2.6 million Leave voters have switched their support to Remain, while 970,000 have moved the other way – a net gain for the pro-EU side of 1.6 million. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-millions-leave-voters-best-for-britain-no-deal-theresa-may-conservative-government-a8521346.html%3famp Interesting "The maths doesn't add up here! You survey approximately 30000 people but come up with the figures of 2.6million have gone to remain and 970000 have gone over to leave! We all know how accurate this conclusion will be!!!!!!!!!  | |||
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"There will be a request for a time extension and a second referendum. There you saw it on Fab first
It is the logical end game. A binary vote with no deal or remain as the 2 options. May doesn't care if her deal is accepted or not. She knows it's never going to happen so will ditch it and offer the 2 options back to the electorate only this time there will be no Phoney Brexit.
If May loses this vote she won't be around to do any such thing. Her job is on the line with this vote if she loses she's out the door of number 10.
Ha ha I don't think she cares mate. She needs to be congratulated for doing a good job for remain to get us to the end game with the power to choose still intact. She has served us well and prevented Boris and his cronies getting their hands on the levers of power.
You are cocky I'll give you that. But alas I've seen it all before on here with cocky remainers in 2016 who were cock sure they'd win. They were left with egg on their faces after the vote and many of them went silent and stopped posting.
You should be really proud that you won - fact!
However when you look at the foul means in which you did win, (all coming out now), then it's just like an athlete's win who had to cheat to win - morally worthless!
The problem is our archaic laws have not kept pace with technology so your getting away with it!
"No leaver voters can be blamed for the actions of others that they had no knowledge of!We had one vote just like yourself and we used it.So don't try to label people as cheats. | |||
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"2.6 million Leave voters have abandoned support for Brexit since referendum, major new study finds More than 2.6 million people have abandoned their support for Brexit and now back staying in the EU, a major study has concluded. If the huge number of Britons who have changed their mind had voted to stay in the EU in 2016, the referendum would have delivered a clear Remain verdict. The new study was carried out by data analysis experts Focaldata for pro-EU campaign group Best for Britain. It was based on two YouGov polls that together surveyed more than 15,000 people. In total, it concluded that 2.6 million Leave voters have switched their support to Remain, while 970,000 have moved the other way – a net gain for the pro-EU side of 1.6 million. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-millions-leave-voters-best-for-britain-no-deal-theresa-may-conservative-government-a8521346.html%3famp Interesting
The maths doesn't add up here!
You survey approximately 30000 people but come up with the figures of 2.6million have gone to remain and 970000 have gone over to leave! We all know how accurate this conclusion will be!!!!!!!!! "It's probably about as accurate as the Populous poll on the eve of the referendum in 2016 which gave remain a 10 point lead, we know what happened with the real result when the real ballots were counted the following day. | |||
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"So it seems that labour will stand on a second referendum if a general election was called.How many leave labour supporters would vote for them and how many remain conservative supports could bring themselves to? 5 million Labour voters voted Leave during the referendum and many Labour constituencies voted Leave in Labour heartlands. They will feel betrayed by Labour if they back a 2nd referendum and I think Labour will lose a lot of support. " Only if the Tories put a suitable candidate forward. The shine of mogg and Boris is gone. They're seen as con artists and anti-working class up here and in the north west. | |||
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"If any further referendum is going to happen and it happens on the basis that lies, disinformation and deceit are prevented - the Leave vote will be completely dismantled.I dont believe that to be honest both sides lied about what would happen and personaly i dont know any leave voters despite all this who have changed thier minds. The BBC's polling guru Professor John Curtis said, "There is no consistent evidence showing any increase in support for a 2nd referendum." On that basis will Labour be flogging a dead horse with this policy shift? John Curtis also says that people just haven't changed their minds about how they voted in 2016, and a new Deltapoll survey that came out a few days ago showed leaving the EU with No Deal on 52% against remaining in the EU on 48%, exactly the same numbers we saw in the 2016 result. " You listen to polls now? I suggest that you actually download the pdf of the poll from the datapoll website and read it. I think you've read the EuropeElects twitter post that makes it seem like a binary choice it's a 3 choice vote based on preferences. If you want links give me a shout not posting the on here as I was hit with a 24hr ban yesterday for linking to fullfacts or ONS!!! | |||
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"Mrs May has made sure it was a remain campaign from the start ....never again will I believe in democracy....its a dictatorship....." This was always the most likely outcome. We do not have the leverage that leavers claim, nor did the EU position crumble. It was pretty much the best negotiating endpoint that was attainable and points to those with China, the USA and Japan. The "dictatorship" is at least held in check by Parliament. You my recall that most Brexiteers on here wanted government to be completely free to do as it wished... | |||
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"2.6 million Leave voters have abandoned support for Brexit since referendum, major new study finds More than 2.6 million people have abandoned their support for Brexit and now back staying in the EU, a major study has concluded. If the huge number of Britons who have changed their mind had voted to stay in the EU in 2016, the referendum would have delivered a clear Remain verdict. The new study was carried out by data analysis experts Focaldata for pro-EU campaign group Best for Britain. It was based on two YouGov polls that together surveyed more than 15,000 people. In total, it concluded that 2.6 million Leave voters have switched their support to Remain, while 970,000 have moved the other way – a net gain for the pro-EU side of 1.6 million. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-millions-leave-voters-best-for-britain-no-deal-theresa-may-conservative-government-a8521346.html%3famp Interesting "And I want my money back from the bookies for backing Tyson Fury last weekend...please can I change my mind. The nation voted to leave (like it or not), so the democratic thing is to follow the result of the only referendum that matters (the one in 2016 for those who don't understand democracy in action). As to how we actually go about Brexit, our politicians have agreed a divorce in principle, but have been shafted and have capitulated as to who gets what when the dust eventually settles. Just a shame our politicians hadn't shown a bit of backbone, worked together, and demonstrated a bit of real unity to face-down the EU during the negotiations. As a country, we have been badly let-down by our representatives in the terms, conditions and division of assets. | |||
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"2.6 million Leave voters have abandoned support for Brexit since referendum, major new study finds More than 2.6 million people have abandoned their support for Brexit and now back staying in the EU, a major study has concluded. If the huge number of Britons who have changed their mind had voted to stay in the EU in 2016, the referendum would have delivered a clear Remain verdict. The new study was carried out by data analysis experts Focaldata for pro-EU campaign group Best for Britain. It was based on two YouGov polls that together surveyed more than 15,000 people. In total, it concluded that 2.6 million Leave voters have switched their support to Remain, while 970,000 have moved the other way – a net gain for the pro-EU side of 1.6 million. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-millions-leave-voters-best-for-britain-no-deal-theresa-may-conservative-government-a8521346.html%3famp Interesting
And I want my money back from the bookies for backing Tyson Fury last weekend...please can I change my mind.
The nation voted to leave (like it or not), so the democratic thing is to follow the result of the only referendum that matters (the one in 2016 for those who don't understand democracy in action). As to how we actually go about Brexit, our politicians have agreed a divorce in principle, but have been shafted and have capitulated as to who gets what when the dust eventually settles. Just a shame our politicians hadn't shown a bit of backbone, worked together, and demonstrated a bit of real unity to face-down the EU during the negotiations. As a country, we have been badly let-down by our representatives in the terms, conditions and division of assets."Did you really know what bet you were putting on ? Did the bookies miss lead you ? If I were you I’d demand my money back, you’d never have placed that bet with the benifit of hindsight ???? | |||
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"2.6 million Leave voters have abandoned support for Brexit since referendum, major new study finds More than 2.6 million people have abandoned their support for Brexit and now back staying in the EU, a major study has concluded. If the huge number of Britons who have changed their mind had voted to stay in the EU in 2016, the referendum would have delivered a clear Remain verdict. The new study was carried out by data analysis experts Focaldata for pro-EU campaign group Best for Britain. It was based on two YouGov polls that together surveyed more than 15,000 people. In total, it concluded that 2.6 million Leave voters have switched their support to Remain, while 970,000 have moved the other way – a net gain for the pro-EU side of 1.6 million. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-millions-leave-voters-best-for-britain-no-deal-theresa-may-conservative-government-a8521346.html%3famp Interesting
And I want my money back from the bookies for backing Tyson Fury last weekend...please can I change my mind.
The nation voted to leave (like it or not), so the democratic thing is to follow the result of the only referendum that matters (the one in 2016 for those who don't understand democracy in action). As to how we actually go about Brexit, our politicians have agreed a divorce in principle, but have been shafted and have capitulated as to who gets what when the dust eventually settles. Just a shame our politicians hadn't shown a bit of backbone, worked together, and demonstrated a bit of real unity to face-down the EU during the negotiations. As a country, we have been badly let-down by our representatives in the terms, conditions and division of assets."The politicians weren't negotiating the deal it's was technocratic negotiators. Politicians only "signed off" what was negotiated! The whole country is split including politicians but we were told we held all the cards. Can you imagine what the deal would have been if we hadn't? All those who feel they were cheated in some way obviously believe in fairy tales! If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is! | |||
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"2.6 million Leave voters have abandoned support for Brexit since referendum, major new study finds More than 2.6 million people have abandoned their support for Brexit and now back staying in the EU, a major study has concluded. If the huge number of Britons who have changed their mind had voted to stay in the EU in 2016, the referendum would have delivered a clear Remain verdict. The new study was carried out by data analysis experts Focaldata for pro-EU campaign group Best for Britain. It was based on two YouGov polls that together surveyed more than 15,000 people. In total, it concluded that 2.6 million Leave voters have switched their support to Remain, while 970,000 have moved the other way – a net gain for the pro-EU side of 1.6 million. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-millions-leave-voters-best-for-britain-no-deal-theresa-may-conservative-government-a8521346.html%3famp Interesting
The maths doesn't add up here!
You survey approximately 30000 people but come up with the figures of 2.6million have gone to remain and 970000 have gone over to leave! We all know how accurate this conclusion will be!!!!!!!!! "I'd guess it's accurate for the amount of people polled then that average calculation is applied to the rest of the population, that's kind of how polls work  | |||
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"You said it all the survey carried out for PRO EU GROUP best for Britain what result did you expect them to come up with? " I don't give a fuck who they were or what result they came up with to be honest. So many poll results get thrown into the mix on here, so there's another | |||
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"Here's the Labour paradox in black and white. How can they say they want a 2nd referendum when their leader is an avowed leaver and has voted against the EU and any treaty that has been signed up to. He is telling them. woahhhhhh hold on guys I don't want a second referendum. Yet his brain is telling him that to exploit the situation they must vote against the government and then logically call for a second referendum. which paradoxically a lot of their constituents are telling them not too. This is why Theresa May is sitting there so smug. She knows Labour's game is up. They are as stuffed by it as the brexiteers. They'll get caught in a trap of their own making. They really should vote for the Deal but they can't. JC doesn't like the EU as an institution, it is a capitalist organisation. but they just can't because their leader says they must oppose all tory deals. Theresa Mays deal must be really doing their heads in. Theresa May has Skynet by the balls this time LOL." I posted this a week ago. The brexiteers have fallen over the cliff first. Now for Jeremy's turn to join the fun. He wont be able to resist. Tell you she is having a right old laugh about this | |||
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