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By *thwalescpl OP Couple
over a year ago

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By *thwalescpl OP Couple
over a year ago

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Mark Carney is at it again, the Chief Doom-monger has said that the UK economy would crash, unemployment up, Interest rates up, inflation up, house prices crash... blah blah blah, if we have to leave the EU under a "No Deal" scenario.

This from the guy who got it wrong when he claimed that if we voted Leave, the UK economy would tank...why should we listen to him second time around?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wasn’t he stress testing Banks ? Stress testing under best case scenarios is daft.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

“Project fear” is a term which is used by people who bury their heads in the sand and can’t face reality.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"“Project fear” is a term which is used by people who bury their heads in the sand and can’t face reality. "

Or is project fear fake news..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mark Carney is at it again, the Chief Doom-monger has said that the UK economy would crash, unemployment up, Interest rates up, inflation up, house prices crash... blah blah blah, if we have to leave the EU under a "No Deal" scenario.

This from the guy who got it wrong when he claimed that if we voted Leave, the UK economy would tank...why should we listen to him second time around? "

Fake news .

The Bank of England surely has the best interests of our people at heart..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We're talking about the Bank of England putting out the worst case scenario....i.e. project fear.

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

But it's not just the BoE is it? Official reports from government departments, including the Treasury, don't paint particularly pretty pictures either.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"But it's not just the BoE is it? Official reports from government departments, including the Treasury, don't paint particularly pretty pictures either.

They didn't paint pretty pictures in 2016 before the referendum, but as we now know for a fact, their predictions and forecasts turned out to be wrong following the vote to leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone has said these are predictions not facts.

And this is the biggest pet peeve with all of this rather than getting behind the country together and standing up for what is best for this nation regardless of our own positions we've allowed ourselves to get bog downed by in fighting over spilt milk on who won the vote.

God help us if there's another world war eh

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Jacob Rees Mogg's assessment of Mark Carney seems to be spot on....."A 2nd tier Canadian politician who has damaged the reputation of the Bank of England".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jacob Rees Mogg's assessment of Mark Carney seems to be spot on....."A 2nd tier Canadian politician who has damaged the reputation of the Bank of England". "

The same Jacob Rees Mogg that thinks Patrick Minfords calculations have merit

Surely you can slag off Mark Carney using someone with more credibility than JRM's words.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"“Project fear” is a term which is used by people who bury their heads in the sand and can’t face reality. "

Any credibility is immediately lost when they use this term. Most sane and intelligent people will evaluate the strength of the considerable evidence and form considered judgements, rather than acting like performing parrots, eager to spout facile soundbite shite.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Mark Carney was one of the very few people in this country who had a plan for a Leave vote success.

Quantitive easing by the BoE and an Emergency budget by the Govt mitigated the extreme effects of the Leave vote.

I am fairly sure he will be planning for a No Deal outcome in much the same way because he is a professional and vetry good at what he does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This from the guy who got it wrong when he claimed that if we voted Leave, the UK economy would tank...why should we listen to him second time around? "

We didn't leave though did we. We are still in. Come back a 12 months after we leave, then 12 months after the transition period.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Jacob Rees Mogg's assessment of Mark Carney seems to be spot on....."A 2nd tier Canadian politician who has damaged the reputation of the Bank of England". "

An over privileged tosser criticises the Governor of the BoE?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"As someone has said these are predictions not facts.

God help us if there's another world war eh

So the solution is to a) ignore everything and b) think about unicorn and their fluffy manes? Even Mogg admits there will be a downturn....he said so in a filmed interview

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

He is doing his job.

Identifying the risks and assuring people the BoE has a plan to mitigate those risks.

Which is more than the state and many businesses appear to be doing.

I'm no economist, but I even I can foresee the economic shock that would occur if you rip the UK out of all EU treaties, sever every existing legal link and allow all sorts of barriers to re-appear overnight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This from the guy who got it wrong when he claimed that if we voted Leave, the UK economy would tank...why should we listen to him second time around?

We didn't leave though did we. We are still in. Come back a 12 months after we leave, then 12 months after the transition period."

His predictions were also based on enacting A50 inidiately after the referendum.

It is clearly the guys job to plan for bad scenarios and he's doing it with models such as this calling.

Project fear is another pointless sound bite akin to fakenews.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As someone has said these are predictions not facts.

God help us if there's another world war eh

Aren’t the scenarios all ones which involve leaving. This treasury analysis is to “help” inform the best way. The BOE is to understand the biggest shock and protect against it. Hope is not a strategy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brexiters will never accept anything the government puts forward.They are caught in an echo chamber of their own making.These children can only hear what they want to hear.

They'd drag the country to hell and back and cut off their nose to spite their face to get their way.This is where they are at present.Its a dark place for them.

Maybe the tantrums will stop after brexit I very much doubt it though.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

A Parliamentary select committee asked the Bank of England to model scenarios - leaving in an orderly way with an agreement, and leaving in a disorderly way without an agreement.

That is what was published yesterday. It is the work of a team of economists and not one person.

The committee meets next week when the BoE will appear to give evidence. The committee then produces a report with recommendations to Parliament.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A Parliamentary select committee asked the Bank of England to model scenarios - leaving in an orderly way with an agreement, and leaving in a disorderly way without an agreement.

That is what was published yesterday. It is the work of a team of economists and not one person.

The committee meets next week when the BoE will appear to give evidence. The committee then produces a report with recommendations to Parliament.

Shh. Fact news.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's like the old Jedi mind trick when obi wan says "These aren't the facts you are looking for " move along now...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I work indirectly in construction and the the number of projects I am seeing go through in domestic sector has slumped. People have put off their spends and if it continues we face a bust situation. Smug politicians sit their in their bubble and ignore the signs at their peril.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

On a separate but related subject, the UK Government yesterday published an assessment of the "Future Security Partnership" between the UK and the EU.

The May proposal essentially continues all existing co-operation as is for the transition period.

The report lists all the existing provisions that allow sharing and communication of information and intelligence, and co-operation across themes such as counter-terrorism, illegal immigration, cyber-security, infectious disease and so on

These continue as is under the May proposal.

In a no-deal scenario, the legal framework within which this sits evaporates and the EU and UK default to whatever non-EU, international provision exists.

Even the sharing of personal data in future becomes problematic.

The document is worded in typical civil-service speak, i.e. designed not to alarm. But the implications for national security are clear if Britain chooses to go it alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jacob Rees Mogg's assessment of Mark Carney seems to be spot on....."A 2nd tier Canadian politician who has damaged the reputation of the Bank of England". "

Is there any reason why the only people you believe are Minford (whose forecasts are mixed at best) and Rees Mogg (whose moved his investments into Euros), and completely ignore the 99.9999999999999999999999999% of economists and gov officials who have something to the contrary to say?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Mark Carney was one of the very few people in this country who had a plan for a Leave vote success.

Quantitive easing by the BoE and an Emergency budget by the Govt mitigated the extreme effects of the Leave vote.

I am fairly sure he will be planning for a No Deal outcome in much the same way because he is a professional and vetry good at what he does."

What emergency budget ? Can you give us te date it happened?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

All staged managed to make it look like a great deal ....are the great British public that stupid ....guess they are if they believe half of this crap .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mark Carney was one of the very few people in this country who had a plan for a Leave vote success.

Quantitive easing by the BoE and an Emergency budget by the Govt mitigated the extreme effects of the Leave vote.

I am fairly sure he will be planning for a No Deal outcome in much the same way because he is a professional and vetry good at what he does.

What emergency budget ? Can you give us te date it happened?"

That was Boy George. And it was known to be an empty promise almost immediately as his plans were leaked and brexiteers mobilised enough rebels to have voted any finance bill down.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Mark Carney was one of the very few people in this country who had a plan for a Leave vote success.

Quantitive easing by the BoE and an Emergency budget by the Govt mitigated the extreme effects of the Leave vote.

I am fairly sure he will be planning for a No Deal outcome in much the same way because he is a professional and vetry good at what he does."

Quantitative easing wasnt just a UK event. It was done to negate the crash of 2008, not because of the Leave vote. The ECB have poured billions into eurozone countries.

There was no emergency budget.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It seems to be a common occurrence of the alt-right - when presented with evidence that challenges their rigid story, dismiss it either as

a) fake news

b) project fear

c) a Chinese hoax

d) the work of the devil.

Their minds are closed to any reality except that presented by the voice inside their head.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems to be a common occurrence of the alt-right - when presented with evidence that challenges their rigid story, dismiss it either as

a) fake news

b) project fear

c) a Chinese hoax

d) the work of the devil.

Their minds are closed to any reality except that presented by the voice inside their head.

Another tactic is to continually quote the one “expert” that backs their world view and dismiss everyone else as one of the above but without actually reading what they’ve said.

Classic

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Mark Carney was one of the very few people in this country who had a plan for a Leave vote success.

Quantitive easing by the BoE and an Emergency budget by the Govt mitigated the extreme effects of the Leave vote.

I am fairly sure he will be planning for a No Deal outcome in much the same way because he is a professional and vetry good at what he does.

What emergency budget ? Can you give us te date it happened?

That was Boy George. And it was known to be an empty promise almost immediately as his plans were leaked and brexiteers mobilised enough rebels to have voted any finance bill down. "

The claim by a remainer was we had an emergency budget to mitigate against the leave vote, we DIDNT so more fake news from remain just as your point is, boy george ran off like cameron before he could have his budget which even remainer Hammond said he didnt need to do and if as we are led to believe there is a majority of remain tories why would have any budget been voted down surely labour and libs would have supported it if it was in the national interest

The vote is only 30 months ago yet it appears people have forgotten what happened or didnt

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

For a post decrying "fake news", the onus really is on you to get your own facts correct. Osborne did not run off. He remained in post until a new leader was appointed and new Cabinet put in place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mark Carney was one of the very few people in this country who had a plan for a Leave vote success.

Quantitive easing by the BoE and an Emergency budget by the Govt mitigated the extreme effects of the Leave vote.

I am fairly sure he will be planning for a No Deal outcome in much the same way because he is a professional and vetry good at what he does.

Quantitative easing wasnt just a UK event. It was done to negate the crash of 2008, not because of the Leave vote. The ECB have poured billions into eurozone countries.

There was no emergency budget. "

Other than the 70bn plus bank support plus cutting interest rates there was no BOE intervention.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"It seems to be a common occurrence of the alt-right - when presented with evidence that challenges their rigid story, dismiss it either as

a) fake news

b) project fear

c) a Chinese hoax

d) the work of the devil.

Their minds are closed to any reality except that presented by the voice inside their head.

Another tactic is to continually quote the one “expert” that backs their world view and dismiss everyone else as one of the above but without actually reading what they’ve said.

Classic "

Whereas remainers believe everything thing that gets put out that supports their mind set even if those puttting it out have been proved wrong before. NO ONE knows what will happen regardless of which way we leave every business and individual in the country will react in a different wy and there simply isnt enough computing power in the world to crunch the possible ways it will turn out, its a guess( by both sides) but as has been shown their guesses have been way off. The only fact that I support is those that want to make a success of anything will, those that sit and moan always fail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This applies both ways.

Brexiteers (pre referendum) would only see the things that reaffirmed their views.

They could have been positive and succeeded rather than moaning about the EU and failing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems to be a common occurrence of the alt-right - when presented with evidence that challenges their rigid story, dismiss it either as

a) fake news

b) project fear

c) a Chinese hoax

d) the work of the devil.

Their minds are closed to any reality except that presented by the voice inside their head.

Another tactic is to continually quote the one “expert” that backs their world view and dismiss everyone else as one of the above but without actually reading what they’ve said.

Classic

Indeed, we don’t “know”. But we are 99% sure.

If you’re in a car speeding towards a cliff, you might not die, the cars brakes might come on by themselves at random, or a tree might fall in front of the car halting the trajectory. But it’s 99% sure it’s not going to be a good outcome for the person speeding towards the cliff.

There have been no credible accounts of anything positive to come out of Brexit. So I don’t understand why some people ignore all the evidence. It genuinely doesn’t make sense.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Other than the 70bn plus bank support plus cutting interest rates there was no BOE intervention. "

It was over £400 billion at the last count.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only fact that I support is those that want to make a success of anything will, those that sit and moan always fail"

This is an interesting sentence. But I think you have it the wrong way around. Leavers are sitting around and moaning at remainers who are busy trying to stop the country sliding into poverty and recession. We’re actively trying to improve life and do something about this shit situation. While you appear to be waiting for someone to wave their magic want and make things better.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Mark Carney was one of the very few people in this country who had a plan for a Leave vote success.

Quantitive easing by the BoE and an Emergency budget by the Govt mitigated the extreme effects of the Leave vote.

I am fairly sure he will be planning for a No Deal outcome in much the same way because he is a professional and vetry good at what he does.

What emergency budget ? Can you give us te date it happened?"

My bad

I meant the decision to abandon their fiscal target policy which was taken as an emergency measure in the aftermath of the vote.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Other than the 70bn plus bank support plus cutting interest rates there was no BOE intervention.

It was over £400 billion at the last count."

£435 billion since 2009. Eurozone is well over E600 billion, which didn't start until 2015.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Other than the 70bn plus bank support plus cutting interest rates there was no BOE intervention.

It was over £400 billion at the last count.

£435 billion since 2009. Eurozone is well over E600 billion, which didn't start until 2015.

Not sure what your point is. QE has been used across the board, largely to manage the GFC fall out. But there has been explicit brexit QE. As well as other levers pulled to manage the post vote fall out.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

This from the guy who got it wrong when he claimed that if we voted Leave, the UK economy would tank...why should we listen to him second time around? "

Because if you don't the devil will get you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only fact that I support is those that want to make a success of anything will, those that sit and moan always fail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well we won't have long to wait! We will then see if Project Fantasy delivers what was promised!

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

"Well we won't have long to wait! We will then see if Project Fantasy delivers what was promised!

Yes, and then wait for who the Brexiteer gang are going to blame for it all being shit.

My money is on it not being any Brexiteer...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well we won't have long to wait! We will then see if Project Fantasy delivers what was promised!

Yes, and then wait for who the Brexiteer gang are going to blame for it all being shit.

My money is on it not being any Brexiteer..."

Haha

They’re already blaming May because she’s not a proper leaver.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Well we won't have long to wait! We will then see if Project Fantasy delivers what was promised!"

I went to my doctor yesterday.

My life will be cut short unless I stop drinking, giving up smoking and cease rampant sex with strangers.

Project Fear, I told him.

Experts, eh? Who needs 'em.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Well we won't have long to wait! We will then see if Project Fantasy delivers what was promised!

Yes, and then wait for who the Brexiteer gang are going to blame for it all being shit.

My money is on it not being any Brexiteer...

Haha

They’re already blaming May because she’s not a proper leaver. "

Stands to reason really. Martin Luther king wouldn't have been happy with someone like Tommy Robinson acting as his defence lawyer would he?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Well we won't have long to wait! We will then see if Project Fantasy delivers what was promised!

Yes, and then wait for who the Brexiteer gang are going to blame for it all being shit.

My money is on it not being any Brexiteer...

Haha

They’re already blaming May because she’s not a proper leaver.

Stands to reason really. Martin Luther king wouldn't have been happy with someone like Tommy Robinson acting as his defence lawyer would he?"

Come on, lets be serious. We need to compare like with like - how about Bart being defended by Homer Simpson...

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"For a post decrying "fake news", the onus really is on you to get your own facts correct. Osborne did not run off. He remained in post until a new leader was appointed and new Cabinet put in place.

Osborne did run off when he resigned as an MP and went to work for the London Evening Standard. So when they said Osborne ran off that statement was factually correct.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"For a post decrying "fake news", the onus really is on you to get your own facts correct. Osborne did not run off. He remained in post until a new leader was appointed and new Cabinet put in place.

Osborne did run off when he resigned as an MP and went to work for the London Evening Standard. So when they said Osborne ran off that statement was factually correct. "

Is it The Telegraph Boris writes for ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well we won't have long to wait! We will then see if Project Fantasy delivers what was promised!

I went to my doctor yesterday.

My life will be cut short unless I stop drinking, giving up smoking and cease rampant sex with strangers.

Project Fear, I told him.

Experts, eh? Who needs 'em.

Nice comparison

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Mark Carney was one of the very few people in this country who had a plan for a Leave vote success.

Quantitive easing by the BoE and an Emergency budget by the Govt mitigated the extreme effects of the Leave vote.

I am fairly sure he will be planning for a No Deal outcome in much the same way because he is a professional and vetry good at what he does.

Quantitative easing wasnt just a UK event. It was done to negate the crash of 2008, not because of the Leave vote. The ECB have poured billions into eurozone countries.

There was no emergency budget. "

There was additional BoE action to mitigate the impact of the referendum and to support the pound. Nothing to do with 2008

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Is it The Telegraph Boris writes for ..."

Yes, he was their Brussels correspondent in the 1990s.

The very journalist who fabricated the story about the EU trying to ban curved bananas.

He gets some obscene amount - £300k a year or something - for spouting drivel once a week now.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

Is it The Telegraph Boris writes for ...

Yes, he was their Brussels correspondent in the 1990s.

The very journalist who fabricated the story about the EU trying to ban curved bananas.

He gets some obscene amount - £300k a year or something - for spouting drivel once a week now.

Dear old Boris was sacked by The Times for making up quotes....a journalist with integrity I dont think

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Mark Carney was one of the very few people in this country who had a plan for a Leave vote success.

Quantitive easing by the BoE and an Emergency budget by the Govt mitigated the extreme effects of the Leave vote.

I am fairly sure he will be planning for a No Deal outcome in much the same way because he is a professional and vetry good at what he does.

Quantitative easing wasnt just a UK event. It was done to negate the crash of 2008, not because of the Leave vote. The ECB have poured billions into eurozone countries.

There was no emergency budget.

There was additional BoE action to mitigate the impact of the referendum and to support the pound. Nothing to do with 2008"

It has everything to do with 2008, when the BOE were slow to offer a fresh stimulus to the failing economy through QE. They were heavily criticised for their inaction.

After the referendum, the UK economy took a jolt. Whilst it was bad news, it wasn't as the same scale as 2008. The BOE had two options: do nothing, the precise action that they got castigated before, or offer a relatively small amount of QE. They chose to inject £70bn into the economy.

One of the reasons given for this was to "help negate expected large job losses", the sort of thing predicted by Chancellor George Osborne. In fact, unemployment continued to fall and job creation rose.

Personally, I think the BOE took the right action. How they plan to get all the QE back out of the economy could trouble us all for many years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For a post decrying "fake news", the onus really is on you to get your own facts correct. Osborne did not run off. He remained in post until a new leader was appointed and new Cabinet put in place.

Osborne did run off when he resigned as an MP and went to work for the London Evening Standard. So when they said Osborne ran off that statement was factually correct. "

The original posted stated

boy george ran off like cameron before he could have his budget

Cameron resigned as Prime Minister the day after the referendum 24th June 2016 and quit as an MP 12th September 2016.

Osbourne stayed on as Chancellor of the Exchequer until he was sacked by the new Prime Minister T May on 13th July 2016 and stood down as an MP 3rd May 2017 nearly a year after the referendum.

So no, George Osborne did not "run off" anything remotely like David Cameron did, unless you're rewriting history again

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Can I just ask a furious brexiteer a question just for clarification.....

How bad can a forecast or report be for it not to be considered project fear? Or has that label been hijacked to mean anything bad!

Because all the options in the report yesterday left us worse off as a nation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can I just ask a furious brexiteer a question just for clarification.....

How bad can a forecast or report be for it not to be considered project fear? Or has that label been hijacked to mean anything bad!

Because all the options in the report yesterday left us worse off as a nation

Everything negative Fabio is Project Fear....

Have anyone yet noticed any Project Happy or Project Brilliant ?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Can I just ask a furious brexiteer a question just for clarification.....

How bad can a forecast or report be for it not to be considered project fear? Or has that label been hijacked to mean anything bad!

Because all the options in the report yesterday left us worse off as a nation

It's the British equivalent of "fake news".

They've been taking lessons.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

from whom, I'll leave you to guess.

The Americans? Or the Russians?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Hordes of dark skinned men massing at the borders of the EU desperate to get to the UK and take our women, jobs, homes and hospital beds.

There are pictures that prove it.

There's even a map with Syria next to Turkey next to Greece.

Project rainbows and butterflies

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Exactly, they keep saying the UK's doomed. But still they come... can't be that bad can it?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Exactly, they keep saying the UK's doomed. But still they come... can't be that bad can it?"

Yep, even though remainers keep saying the UK will be a basket case after leaving the EU the illegal immigrants still would rather risk their lives crossing the channel in inflatable dingys to get to the uk rather than remain in the EU, lol.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Exactly, they keep saying the UK's doomed. But still they come... can't be that bad can it?

That's very convoluted "logic". A tiny proportion of those who have arrived in Europe are trying to get to the UK in boats. Over 300 have drowned this year alone trying to get to Spain and 30,000 have made it. How many boat loads have tried to get to the UK?

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

"Exactly, they keep saying the UK's doomed. But still they come... can't be that bad can it?

Can I ask where them 300 people were from ?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Exactly, they keep saying the UK's doomed. But still they come... can't be that bad can it?

Your argument is that the UK is a better place to be than warzones and countries under sanctions?

What great dreams you have for our country

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Exactly, they keep saying the UK's doomed. But still they come... can't be that bad can it?

Your argument is that the UK is a better place to be than warzones and countries under sanctions?

What great dreams you have for our country

Obviously more attractive than the other EU countries they've passed through.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Exactly, they keep saying the UK's doomed. But still they come... can't be that bad can it?

Your argument is that the UK is a better place to be than warzones and countries under sanctions?

What great dreams you have for our country

Really I didn't realise there was a war going on in France or they were under any sanctions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Immigrants will always come here illegally because the good and decent brits are generally a welcoming lot ..Not even that video of our local kiddies water boarding a Syrian kid on a playing field would put them off.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Immigrants will always come here illegally because the good and decent brits are generally a welcoming lot ..Not even that video of our local kiddies water boarding a Syrian kid on a playing field would put them off.

Not like those bloody French, Spanish, Italians etc.... eh? Unwelcoming bastards!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That bullying was nothing new, jeez when I was a kid I had to run the gauntlet a few times before finally fighting back and I was a born and bred white British male.

Things like this have been always there it’s just that we all have cameras now and it gets reported a lot more

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

What sort of people put their lives and their loved ones lives in jeopardy, Just to escape France? What's the driver? Because if you think it's the British "world famous" hospitality, i call bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe it’s easier to survive under the radar here ? They’re coming here because it’s the best place to be an illegal, not because it’s the best place to be a citizen.

Maybe they have family. Or can’t speak French.

Maybe they are running from something which they haven’t managed to leave behind in Syria. Or have made new enemies.

I really don’t know.

But I imagine their decision is based on something more personal than relative gdp.

(I know some here are looking for bites. However I fear others actually believe the argument and see this as evidence of uk superiority over France)

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

im not saying wat was done to the syrian kid was right.but id look into it a bit more.there is something more to that story.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"Jacob Rees Mogg's assessment of Mark Carney seems to be spot on....."A 2nd tier Canadian politician who has damaged the reputation of the Bank of England". "
maybe he should change jobs and become the grim reaper .....we are doomed ,doomed ,doomed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The sad thing about all of this is that these people are escaping from truly horrible war zones which we have no experience of. I imagine a lot of them have idealised visions of the uk and also speak English and aim for our shores as a result. I am sure they’d try to get to America if they could too. We live in a very safe environment (apart from gang related knife crime) with little danger of being shot, blown up or killed and we don’t have identity cards either so it’s not all that surprising they want to come here is it?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Exactly, they keep saying the UK's doomed. But still they come... can't be that bad can it?

Your argument is that the UK is a better place to be than warzones and countries under sanctions?

What great dreams you have for our country

Really I didn't realise there was a war going on in France or they were under any sanctions.

What's your actual point?

You don't like immigrants?

You don't like Muslim immigrants?

You don't like illegal immigrants?

Immigrants come here because it is safer than where they are from?

Immigrants come here because there is more economic opportunity than where they are from?

Immigrants come here because there is more economic opportunity than anywhere else in Europe?

Immigrants come here because it is harder to be deported than from other EU countries?

More immigrants come to the UK than any other European country?

Immigrants don't come to the UK because they have family here?

Immigrants don't come to the UK because they understand English but not another European language?

How does leaving the EU address any of these points?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jacob Rees Mogg's assessment of Mark Carney seems to be spot on....."A 2nd tier Canadian politician who has damaged the reputation of the Bank of England". maybe he should change jobs and become the grim reaper .....we are doomed ,doomed ,doomed "

Suggest you Google Mark Carney & Jacob Rees Mogg and check their achievements - Carney has a lot more than Mogg - just stating facts

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Maybe it's easier to get housing here than France? I don't know what the French welfare system is like, but i wouldn't walk through a country to get to a worse welfare state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But it's not just the BoE is it? Official reports from government departments, including the Treasury, don't paint particularly pretty pictures either.

They didn't paint pretty pictures in 2016 before the referendum, but as we now know for a fact, their predictions and forecasts turned out to be wrong following the vote to leave. "

Not exactly...weaker currency, growth fell to bottom of the euro GDP table...big banks flocking to Dublin and Frankfurt ...plenty more

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

im not saying wat was done to the syrian kid was right.but id look into it a bit more.there is something more to that story."

You probably need to do better than vague hints.

From the coverage in the media, it seems pretty clear cut. What extra info have you unearthed that all those journalists haven't?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about project brexit fantasy? lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im not saying wat was done to the syrian kid was right.but id look into it a bit more.there is something more to that story."

You've been reading what tommy Robinson has said right???

It's fake news fella and alt right propaganda.I think he'll be sued over it to be honest

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

im not saying wat was done to the syrian kid was right.but id look into it a bit more.there is something more to that story.

You've been reading what tommy Robinson has said right???

It's fake news fella and alt right propaganda.I think he'll be sued ov

er it to be honest

and where dud yoy get your bees from that great independant news channel the british bullshit corrparatiin

oooh fake news ya sound like donald lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im not saying wat was done to the syrian kid was right.but id look into it a bit more.there is something more to that story.

You've been reading what tommy Robinson has said right???

It's fake news fella and alt right propaganda.I think he'll be sued ov

er it to be honest

and where dud yoy get your bees from that great independant news channel the british bullshit corrparatiin

oooh fake news ya sound like donald lol"

The problem is the only person putting out fake news about this poor child is tommy .Is that what you Where referring to when you said there's more to it.

As you can see you and tommy where duped.Hes since apologised.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

im not saying wat was done to the syrian kid was right.but id look into it a bit more.there is something more to that story.

You've been reading what tommy Robinson has said right???

It's fake news fella and alt right propaganda.I think he'll be sued over it to be honest

oh by the way as far as tommy robinson is concerned he is a prick just like ajem choudry.same people coming from two different directions would be at all surprised if the pair of em are playing hide the sausage behind closed doors

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

and your not overplaying no? saying he was waterboarded lol ffs he had bottle of water poured over him not exactly waterboarding.if the kid hadnt been a refugee it wouldnt even made the news.13 yr old girl got batted near me in summer that was filmed the outcome the older girl who beat her up had to write a letter of apillogy.wats the difference between the two offences?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and your not overplaying no? saying he was waterboarded lol ffs he had bottle of water poured over him not exactly waterboarding.if the kid hadnt been a refugee it wouldnt even made the news.13 yr old girl got batted near me in summer that was filmed the outcome the older girl who beat her up had to write a letter of apillogy.wats the difference between the two offences?"

I think the video was uploaded awhile back It took awhile for it to go viral .

You've yet to tell me why there is more to the story.I can only sssume you were referring to what tommy said and now you've gone all defensive because you used tommy as a source .Is that what you meant by "more to the story?"

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

I think the video was uploaded awhile back It took awhile for it to go viral .

r.t actually ive already told you i think t.r is a prick or did you miss that.and are you still saying the kid was waterboarded.you know as well as i do if that had been two english kids fuck all would of been said mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well we won't have long to wait! We will then see if Project Fantasy delivers what was promised!

Yes, and then wait for who the Brexiteer gang are going to blame for it all being shit.

My money is on it not being any Brexiteer..."

The excuses are coming fast... A natural recession (a bit like climate change...nice)...May being a traitor ...what more?

Save yourselves the pain and embarrassment and just vote again...follow the will of the people and be actually democratic (not a retrograde stubborn stuck in the mud "out means out" style of it)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the video was uploaded awhile back It took awhile for it to go viral .

We all agree he's a prick and you've yet to be explain this

l more to the story "you either are referring to tommy or not .Whjch is it??? Unless you have another source...

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

i told you something i saw on r.t wow must be hardwork being so rite about everything.your wasted on here u should be running the country

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Playground fights are about his level, right enough. Pillock.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i told you something i saw on r.t wow must be hardwork being so rite about everything.your wasted on here u should be running the country

RT and not TR I see .So you were duped by propaganda like tommy.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

anyway catch u later im off to pick my little un up so all i be wayching the rest of yhe week is cbeebies.ay lot more sense on there than on the real world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"anyway catch u later im off to pick my little un up so all i be wayching the rest of yhe week is cbeebies.ay lot more sense on there than on the real world

Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo

Baby shark!…

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"anyway catch u later im off to pick my little un up so all i be wayching the rest of yhe week is cbeebies.ay lot more sense on there than on the real world

Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo

Baby shark!…

nah mr bean actually

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"anyway catch u later im off to pick my little un up so all i be wayching the rest of yhe week is cbeebies.ay lot more sense on there than on the real world

Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo

Baby shark!…

nah mr bean actually"

to be fair, mr bean would be a more credible source of accurate information than RT

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"anyway catch u later im off to pick my little un up so all i be wayching the rest of yhe week is cbeebies.ay lot more sense on there than on the real world

Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo

Baby shark!…

nah mr bean actually

to be fair, mr bean would be a more credible source of accurate information than RT

be honest with ya think mr bean would do a lot better job than most politicians

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

mr bean for p.m

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

This from the guy who got it wrong when he claimed that if we voted Leave, the UK economy would tank...why should we listen to him second time around? "

Mark Carney will be gone by 2020.

What's in it for him to lie exactly?

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