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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

If Theresa May had been a staunch pro-Brexit campaigner before the referendum, would her deal now agreed with the EU be better for the population of the UK than the current one, which David Davis, Boris etc all helped to develop?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Ooooo...

Thats a hard one...

Is your question, is the same deal better or worse depending on who produces it? Or are you asking would the Maybot have made a better deal if she were a true brexit believer rather than the stealth autocrat she is?

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Ooooo...

Thats a hard one...

Is your question, is the same deal better or worse depending on who produces it? Or are you asking would the Maybot have made a better deal if she were a true brexit believer rather than the stealth autocrat she is?

"

More of the latter. I've heard her knocked, due to the claim that she wasn't a brexit advocate before the referendum, stating it's resulted in the final deal being poorer that if she had been.

I'm curious what people here think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May was onto a loser whatever she did. I'm not a fan but respect her resilience and determination, but not her dancing

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"More of the latter. I've heard her knocked, due to the claim that she wasn't a brexit advocate before the referendum, stating it's resulted in the final deal being poorer that if she had been.

I'm curious what people here think. "

Probably not.

Like her or not (I don't), her autocratic nature and her hunger for power made her probably the only person in the Tory hierarchy willing (and possibly able) to attempt to deliver any sort of brexit deal and then sacrifice herself to hold the party together (sort of). All wee can hope for is that she fails and the Tories gut themselves just like they have gutted the country.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Would the outcome be any different?

I suspect not.

The Brexit dreamers could see the writing on the wall and bailed out on her.

They, too, knew just how weak the UK's position had become.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think her biggest mistake was putting down red lines. If she had been a brexiteer I can only imagine they would have been thicker and more of them, and so have found herself boxed in either more.

And if we ended up here, we’d be pointing fingers at the civil service.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think her biggest mistake was putting down red lines. If she had been a brexiteer I can only imagine they would have been thicker and more of them, and so have found herself boxed in either more.

And if we ended up here, we’d be pointing fingers at the civil service. "

If BREXIT was really going to be the easiest & most lucrative transitional period our Country has ever had the pleasure of going through then why wasn't there all the brexiteer MP's lining up to take the PM job ?

Funny that init

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Would the outcome be any different?

I suspect not.

The Brexit dreamers could see the writing on the wall and bailed out on her.

They, too, knew just how weak the UK's position had become.

"

This..

That the rabid Brexiteers on here can't accept that their chosen ones who promised the earth before the vote have all either offed it or bottled it..

You could have cloned in some strange fantasy world ironically Davis, Boris, Mogg etc and the super hyper Brexiteer would still have been dealing with the same people with the same outcome..

Said before this vote to those die hard leave types that to be careful of asking the question as you may not like the answer..

It is all turning out to be a fudge and a mess..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think her biggest mistake was putting down red lines. If she had been a brexiteer I can only imagine they would have been thicker and more of them, and so have found herself boxed in either more.

And if we ended up here, we’d be pointing fingers at the civil service.

If BREXIT was really going to be the easiest & most lucrative transitional period our Country has ever had the pleasure of going through then why wasn't there all the brexiteer MP's lining up to take the PM job ?

Funny that init "

Tbf there was. But Fox chose to make deals to secure a better position in governement. And gove decided to go kamikaze on BoJo rather than risk him becoming PM. And leadsom went a bit nuts iirc (was it her that pulled the mother line?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think her biggest mistake was putting down red lines. If she had been a brexiteer I can only imagine they would have been thicker and more of them, and so have found herself boxed in either more.

And if we ended up here, we’d be pointing fingers at the civil service.

If BREXIT was really going to be the easiest & most lucrative transitional period our Country has ever had the pleasure of going through then why wasn't there all the brexiteer MP's lining up to take the PM job ?

Funny that init

Tbf there was. But Fox chose to make deals to secure a better position in governement. And gove decided to go kamikaze on BoJo rather than risk him becoming PM. And leadsom went a bit nuts iirc (was it her that pulled the mother line?)"

So, as I said, no serious attempt by a brexiteer to take and own the BREXIT they so desired

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

If any of the fantasist lot, who generally have self-interest in extremist brexit, had achieved this, there would probably be lots of praise forthcoming, despite them not getting an offer that they really wanted. They perhaps would have had a worse offer. I don't think May would have gotten much different, if she'd been a hard brexit supporter, as it's her that has compromised with her extremists all through the process - there's been repeated moves in one direction only, and solely by the moderate side.

She chose the job, likes the trappings of power and it was the work of Davis et al who developed most of the negotiations result, as she led it. They now pretend it wasn't them, as they keep their own options open for future power grabs. The PM nor the rabble are wholesome - they're repugnant creatures, below vermin, when you view the terrible damage they've been happy to inflict upon others for their own gains. But that's a weightier subject.

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