FabSwingers.com forum: Opportunities for trade with China

By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

China's biggest bilateral trade partner is Germany.

Germany is in the EU.

What advantage will we have in leaving the EU that will allow us to increase our trade with China?

Why isn't Germany "handicapped" by EU membership in the same way that we are?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I keep hearing Brexit fanatics wax lyrical about all these markets around the world.

I rarely here business people do the same.

Britain can already trade with any market around the world, except those restricted by sanctions.

It is the Brexit fanatics who want us to retreat from the biggest market of all - the EU27 - not business.

Who do we align our rules and regulations with, if not the EU27?

China, USA, Africa?

Who are these people who think the UK should be paddling its own canoe in waters infested by predators like Trump and Xi?

Our first attempt at bilateral negotiation in almost 50 years has been a respounding success, hasn’t it?

The further we diverge from the EU market, any market, the greater the barriers to trade become.

But then I do not believe trade is what motivates these people.

It is free market ideology and brutal economic restructuring, the destruction of industry and jobs, the deregulation of employment rights and its replacement with a winner-takes-all, sink-or-swim approach to work.

The outcome of that is even greater inequality - and even greater popular resentment and revolt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I keep hearing Brexit fanatics wax lyrical about all these markets around the world.

I rarely here business people do the same.

Britain can already trade with any market around the world, except those restricted by sanctions.

It is the Brexit fanatics who want us to retreat from the biggest market of all - the EU27 - not business.

Who do we align our rules and regulations with, if not the EU27?

China, USA, Africa?

Who are these people who think the UK should be paddling its own canoe in waters infested by predators like Trump and Xi?

Our first attempt at bilateral negotiation in almost 50 years has been a respounding success, hasn’t it?

The further we diverge from the EU market, any market, the greater the barriers to trade become.

But then I do not believe trade is what motivates these people.

The outcome of that is even greater inequality - and even greater popular resentment and revolt.

Some people just want to hate

Some people feel the need to think they have taken on the establishment & won

Some people just take media soundbites as their religion

Some people don't mind if their actions reduce our economic outlook & prosperity but won't accept responsibility for the reduction of services like the NHS, Police, education, social care it will create. They see having more "sovereignty" a bigger issue over the day to day economics

Some people don't mind as we are

It's a diverse society

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The current debate about Brexit masks a huge reason for its occurrence - inequality and grievance.

When rich people in suits warn we’ll be £1000s poorer on average, some say “Good. Now you know what it feels like to be poor.”

How can someone with no money be any worse off?

They see the support systems in their communities wither under council cuts, the benefits system transform into something intended to punish them rather than help them, their high streets turned into tumble.

And then some posh person says they worry about us all getting poorer.

The Brexiteers promised them a land of milk and honey in exchange for their vote. And why not, you cannot be any worse off, can you?

And when Brexit delivers only more misery instead of the promised utopia, none of those in suits will be down their local food banks feeling the pain.

Of course, none of this will be the fault of the Brexit populists who made impossible promises. No sir, this will be that corrupt, faceless elite again who betrayed you.

Inequality is the breeding ground for the populists and their politics of grievance.

Brexit will not fix that, only make the ground more fertile for rhetoric even more violent and extreme.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"The current debate about Brexit masks a huge reason for its occurrence - inequality and grievance.

When rich people in suits warn we’ll be £1000s poorer on average, some say “Good. Now you know what it feels like to be poor.”

How can someone with no money be any worse off?

And then some posh person says they worry about us all getting poorer.

The Brexiteers promised them a land of milk and honey in exchange for their vote. And why not, you cannot be any worse off, can you?

And when Brexit delivers only more misery instead of the promised utopia, none of those in suits will be down their local food banks feeling the pain.

Of course, none of this will be the fault of the Brexit populists who made impossible promises. No sir, this will be that corrupt, faceless elite again who betrayed you.

Inequality is the breeding ground for the populists and their politics of grievance.

Brexit will not fix that, only make the ground more fertile for rhetoric even more violent and extreme."

As I've consistently said, people in Middlesbrough had different reasons to vote than people in Marlow.

Of course Leave targeted and exploited the poorer elements of society. This was largely helped by a Remain campaign that was largely Negative in outlook and inept in delivering a more positive message.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

And that had no grasp of how ideological austerity hollowed out these communities in a way not seen since Thatcher hollowed out their industry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And that had no grasp of how ideological austerity hollowed out these communities in a way not seen since Thatcher hollowed out their industry."

Yes we moved to services in the 90's that was the new vision! Germany continues to self invest and manufacture - we rely on foreign investment and guess who wins?

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