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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. " Define people's voting? The people voted to elect parliament. | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. Define people's voting? The people voted to elect parliament. " Oh I've no idea, i just see people want to change to that system. | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. " Huh!? Who’s voting currently if it’s not people? Is it the cats? | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. Huh!? Who’s voting currently if it’s not people? Is it the cats? " I refer you to my previous answer. | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. " Are you talking about proportional representation, that’s not going to happen because the Tories would lose seats. That’s why they changed the borders for areas to strengthen their position in weak Tory regions. X | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. Define people's voting? The people voted to elect parliament. " It’s when you lose and want another vote and make it in to something it ain’t. | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. Define people's voting? The people voted to elect parliament. It’s when you lose and want another vote and make it in to something it ain’t. " It’s for when it becomes apparent afterwards that the thing that was voted for is going to be a complete clusterfuck. Some guy in the House of Lords made a very good analogy recently. He asked his aged, rather timid aunts what they would like to do. Democratically they said they would like to go to the cinema. He checked the listings but the only films showing were Reservoir Dogs and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. What should be do? Take them anyway, or ask them if they’d still like to go because he knew they would hate both films? | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. " Would you have informed voting as in people need to understand what they are voting for or let all the numpties vote who have been influenced or influenced bu biased information on facebook? | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. Are you talking about proportional representation, that’s not going to happen because the Tories would lose seats. That’s why they changed the borders for areas to strengthen their position in weak Tory regions. X " I blame that Jerry Mandarin bloke | |||
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"I think it should be a legal requirement to vote and there should be a box with None of the Above, so if you don’t like the parties or issue being voted on you can still have your say. As to elections in this country not being adhered to, when has that happened ever? There’s a movement for a People’s Vote on brexit because people are seeing that they were mislead by MPs. I rest my case " | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. Define people's voting? The people voted to elect parliament. It’s when you lose and want another vote and make it in to something it ain’t. It’s for when it becomes apparent afterwards that the thing that was voted for is going to be a complete clusterfuck. Some guy in the House of Lords made a very good analogy recently. He asked his aged, rather timid aunts what they would like to do. Democratically they said they would like to go to the cinema. He checked the listings but the only films showing were Reservoir Dogs and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. What should be do? Take them anyway, or ask them if they’d still like to go because he knew they would hate both films?" | |||
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"Proportional democracy would be a good idea. It needs to be implemented more at a national level. So if ukip got 13.5% of the vote they should get ATLEAST 6% of the seats in parliament." Surely if they got 13.5% of the votes they should get 13.5% of the seats?  | |||
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"There should be referendums on a number of issues but our politicians won't relinquish their "power" in deciding issues." What sort of things? Because as Brexit has shown, asking the general population, who knew bugger all about the issues involved, and were fed at best misinformation, and at worst outright lies, has really worked out well. | |||
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"What case?" The case that people will come up with excuses to ignore the result of a vote.I voted to stay as leaving could have an impact on my own business but a democratic vote took place and us remainers lost just have to accept it and move on and end the uncertainty | |||
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"But surely the thing to do would be ride out the storm of poor choice films for a short time until some amazing films are on. " I think that kinda misses the point. Pretty much no independent expert analysis of leaving the EU is predicting some sort of amazing (economic) future for the U.K. after leaving the EU. | |||
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"What case? The case that people will come up with excuses to ignore the result of a vote.I voted to stay as leaving could have an impact on my own business but a democratic vote took place and us remainers lost just have to accept it and move on and end the uncertainty " If there’s one thing that pisses me off is the term ‘remoaners’. The leave side have been professionally moaning about it for over 40 years, and if it had gone the other way, he’ll would have had to freeze over before they stopped bloody moaning. | |||
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"What case? The case that people will come up with excuses to ignore the result of a vote.I voted to stay as leaving could have an impact on my own business but a democratic vote took place and us remainers lost just have to accept it and move on and end the uncertainty " As I said what case? Where are we ignoring the vote? Is there to be a People’s Vote? Something people conveniently forget is that when the count was 52% in favour of leaving Farage said it was to close and that there should be another vote! Pots calling kettles I think the phrase is | |||
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"But surely the thing to do would be ride out the storm of poor choice films for a short time until some amazing films are on. I think that kinda misses the point. Pretty much no independent expert analysis of leaving the EU is predicting some sort of amazing (economic) future for the U.K. after leaving the EU. " | |||
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"The trouble is people in this country have a problem accepting the results of any vote look at Brexit" exactly ..pathetic isnt it.the rattles are constantly being thrown out of the prams these days. A lot of growing up is needed | |||
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"My point was it's a pretty poor analogy comparing leaving the EU to changing your mind about going to the cinema. It was without doubt the poorest campaign ever from both sides. Would of loved the remain side to say this is the huge benefit from staying and this is the reality of leaving. They didn't. Possibly because they couldn't. Only time will tell on that one. " It wasn’t a poor analogy at all. As with most analogies, the two things are quite different, but share common ground. That’s kind of the point of analogies. In this case voting for something that you haven’t really thought through properly, or really considered that your decision may mean having to do something that you would actually rather not do after all. The remain side may not have been vocal enough about it, but pretty much every expert on the subject was saying it would have an overwhelmingly negative effect. Hence Gove’s infamous comment about having heard enough from the experts. It just all got drowned out by nonsense like £350m a week for the NHS. | |||
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"What case? The case that people will come up with excuses to ignore the result of a vote.I voted to stay as leaving could have an impact on my own business but a democratic vote took place and us remainers lost just have to accept it and move on and end the uncertainty As I said what case? Where are we ignoring the vote? Is there to be a People’s Vote? Something people conveniently forget is that when the count was 52% in favour of leaving Farage said it was to close and that there should be another vote! Pots calling kettles I think the phrase is " how,many votes do you need to get the result you want . even if it had been closer so what . today's society need to respect these things .its not a,game . | |||
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"We are in this situation because of the way people voted. Starting with giving Cameron and his insane referendum a mandate in 2015. Followed by the referendum in 2016. In fact, you could argue the referendum result was more legitimate than the actual General Election, since Cameron got his wish with a minority of the votes cast. " I waited all these years,to put right a wrong. Joining the so called commom.market was the real mistake and letting the so called powers try to make it a federal state of Europe . Cameron got in power because he offered us a possible referendum .Cameron was not wrong to offer it to the people .he was,wrong to walk away .another with pram rattle issues,. | |||
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"What case? The case that people will come up with excuses to ignore the result of a vote.I voted to stay as leaving could have an impact on my own business but a democratic vote took place and us remainers lost just have to accept it and move on and end the uncertainty As I said what case? Where are we ignoring the vote? Is there to be a People’s Vote? Something people conveniently forget is that when the count was 52% in favour of leaving Farage said it was to close and that there should be another vote! Pots calling kettles I think the phrase is how,many votes do you need to get the result you want . even if it had been closer so what . today's society need to respect these things .its not a,game . " I never thought, in a million years, that I would agree with you! If there were a second vote, and let's say remain won, then you would have the same problems that you have at the moment - except it's the leavers who would be pissed off- regardless of the majority! However, I think the only way forward, is to brexit, - just to prove, who was right, and who was wrong! | |||
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"What case? The case that people will come up with excuses to ignore the result of a vote.I voted to stay as leaving could have an impact on my own business but a democratic vote took place and us remainers lost just have to accept it and move on and end the uncertainty As I said what case? Where are we ignoring the vote? Is there to be a People’s Vote? Something people conveniently forget is that when the count was 52% in favour of leaving Farage said it was to close and that there should be another vote! Pots calling kettles I think the phrase is how,many votes do you need to get the result you want . even if it had been closer so what . today's society need to respect these things .its not a,game . " With referendums on important issues in other countries it’s common to require a 60/40 majority. If nothing else, it is an irony that Farage wouldn’t have accepted it if it had been that close the other way around. All of this arguing the toss about not accepting the result misses the point anyway. Which is that it is almost universally accepted by anyone who actually knows anything about it that the net effect is likely to be overwhelmingly negative. So I just don’t get the attitude of ‘Who cares? The will of the people is more important than the good of the nation!’. Because it really isn’t. | |||
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" I waited all these years,to put right a wrong. Joining the so called commom.market was the real mistake and letting the so called powers try to make it a federal state of Europe . Cameron got in power because he offered us a possible referendum .Cameron was not wrong to offer it to the people .he was,wrong to walk away .another with pram rattle issues,. " I fully accept what you say. My point really was about the political ineptitude of Cameron. Referenda are called usually when someone gets into power with a manifesto seeking to make a constitutional change. Think the SNP, think the Lib Dems and their coalition. UKIP was the only party seeking a referendum and it had never won a seat in a General Election. Cameron on the other hand called one to endorse the status quo. Why? Because he was scared of losing so many votes to UKIP that it would cost him the premiership and let in Ed Milliband. It must be the first time in history that a party (UKIP) has had its manifesto implemented without winning a single seat. But more than that, it was the reckless way Cameron conducted it. Instructing his departments to make no plans for anything except a remain vote. i do not question the validity of the outcome. I do think Cameron will go down in history as one of the most inept PMs, however. | |||
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"My point was it's a pretty poor analogy comparing leaving the EU to changing your mind about going to the cinema. It was without doubt the poorest campaign ever from both sides. Would of loved the remain side to say this is the huge benefit from staying and this is the reality of leaving. They didn't. Possibly because they couldn't. Only time will tell on that one. It wasn’t a poor analogy at all. As with most analogies, the two things are quite different, but share common ground. That’s kind of the point of analogies. In this case voting for something that you haven’t really thought through properly, or really considered that your decision may mean having to do something that you would actually rather not do after all. The remain side may not have been vocal enough about it, but pretty much every expert on the subject was saying it would have an overwhelmingly negative effect. Hence Gove’s infamous comment about having heard enough from the experts. It just all got drowned out by nonsense like £350m a week for the NHS." I don’t necessarily agree with the cinema analogy, we knew beforehand what a massive cluster fuck and disaster this would be. People voted for it anyway. We still know that this is and will be a massive clusterfuck and disaster. We have all the same information. We already knew the movies would be shit. Another vote would have the same result because people either don’t care that the country is going to the dogs as long as Johnny foreigner stops coming and the other half are in complete denial and believe any armchair economist who has anything vaguely positive to say and completely ignore the overwhelming body of evidence to the contrary, and just don’t understand any of the other things we are losing. | |||
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"My point was it's a pretty poor analogy comparing leaving the EU to changing your mind about going to the cinema. It was without doubt the poorest campaign ever from both sides. Would of loved the remain side to say this is the huge benefit from staying and this is the reality of leaving. They didn't. Possibly because they couldn't. Only time will tell on that one. So what about some the remain properganda As I’ve said I voted to remain after listening to predictions that the economy would fall of a cliff immediately if the leave vote was successful. Added to the hysterical predictions were other threats that public and national security was at risk I don’t think either side did themeselves any favours It wasn’t a poor analogy at all. As with most analogies, the two things are quite different, but share common ground. That’s kind of the point of analogies. In this case voting for something that you haven’t really thought through properly, or really considered that your decision may mean having to do something that you would actually rather not do after all. The remain side may not have been vocal enough about it, but pretty much every expert on the subject was saying it would have an overwhelmingly negative effect. Hence Gove’s infamous comment about having heard enough from the experts. It just all got drowned out by nonsense like £350m a week for the NHS." | |||
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"What case? The case that people will come up with excuses to ignore the result of a vote.I voted to stay as leaving could have an impact on my own business but a democratic vote took place and us remainers lost just have to accept it and move on and end the uncertainty As I said what case? Where are we ignoring the vote? Is there to be a People’s Vote? Something people conveniently forget is that when the count was 52% in favour of leaving Farage said it was to close and that there should be another vote! Pots calling kettles I think the phrase is how,many votes do you need to get the result you want . even if it had been closer so what . today's society need to respect these things .its not a,game . I never thought, in a million years, that I would agree with you! If there were a second vote, and let's say remain won, then you would have the same problems that you have at the moment - except it's the leavers who would be pissed off- regardless of the majority! However, I think the only way forward, is to brexit, - just to prove, who was right, and who was wrong!" Fully agree  | |||
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"Funny how remainers were all in favour of the referendum when they thought they had the result in the bag. The Populous opinion poll that came out on the eve of the referendum giving remain a 10 point lead, you could see remainers looking and acting smug everywhere. Self entitled pompous fools. It was epitomised by former Lib dem party leader and remainer Paddy Ashdown who said the following on EU referendum day 23rd June 2016 just before the votes were counted..... "I will forgive no one who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, be it by 1% or 20%, because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish. The people demand it of us". " It would help if everyone remembered what they said but as we all know it doesn't always happen  | |||
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"What case? The case that people will come up with excuses to ignore the result of a vote.I voted to stay as leaving could have an impact on my own business but a democratic vote took place and us remainers lost just have to accept it and move on and end the uncertainty As I said what case? Where are we ignoring the vote? Is there to be a People’s Vote? Something people conveniently forget is that when the count was 52% in favour of leaving Farage said it was to close and that there should be another vote! Pots calling kettles I think the phrase is how,many votes do you need to get the result you want . even if it had been closer so what . today's society need to respect these things .its not a,game . I never thought, in a million years, that I would agree with you! If there were a second vote, and let's say remain won, then you would have the same problems that you have at the moment - except it's the leavers who would be pissed off- regardless of the majority! However, I think the only way forward, is to brexit, - just to prove, who was right, and who was wrong! Fully agree "That’s a bit like thinking the only way forward is to jump off a cliff to prove whether or not gravity is a thing.  | |||
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"What case? The case that people will come up with excuses to ignore the result of a vote.I voted to stay as leaving could have an impact on my own business but a democratic vote took place and us remainers lost just have to accept it and move on and end the uncertainty As I said what case? Where are we ignoring the vote? Is there to be a People’s Vote? Something people conveniently forget is that when the count was 52% in favour of leaving Farage said it was to close and that there should be another vote! Pots calling kettles I think the phrase is how,many votes do you need to get the result you want . even if it had been closer so what . today's society need to respect these things .its not a,game . I never thought, in a million years, that I would agree with you! If there were a second vote, and let's say remain won, then you would have the same problems that you have at the moment - except it's the leavers who would be pissed off- regardless of the majority! However, I think the only way forward, is to brexit, - just to prove, who was right, and who was wrong! Fully agree
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"Funny how remainers were all in favour of the referendum when they thought they had the result in the bag. The Populous opinion poll that came out on the eve of the referendum giving remain a 10 point lead, you could see remainers looking and acting smug everywhere. Self entitled pompous fools. It was epitomised by former Lib dem party leader and remainer Paddy Ashdown who said the following on EU referendum day 23rd June 2016 just before the votes were counted..... "I will forgive no one who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, be it by 1% or 20%, because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish. The people demand it of us". It would help if everyone remembered what they said but as we all know it doesn't always happen "Here's what he said from his own lips, so you heard it from the horse's mouth... www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bv_1z2lFlw | |||
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"Funny how remainers were all in favour of the referendum when they thought they had the result in the bag. The Populous opinion poll that came out on the eve of the referendum giving remain a 10 point lead, you could see remainers looking and acting smug everywhere. Self entitled pompous fools. It was epitomised by former Lib dem party leader and remainer Paddy Ashdown who said the following on EU referendum day 23rd June 2016 just before the votes were counted..... "I will forgive no one who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, be it by 1% or 20%, because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish. The people demand it of us". It would help if everyone remembered what they said but as we all know it doesn't always happen
Here's what he said from his own lips, so you heard it from the horse's mouth...
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"I don't need to watch it Centaur, I believe you. This whole BREXIT thing has been full "on both sides" of misinformation, lies & contradiction. I only hope future UK Government's don't ever divided the country like this ever again. | |||
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"Funny how remainers were all in favour of the referendum when they thought they had the result in the bag. The Populous opinion poll that came out on the eve of the referendum giving remain a 10 point lead, you could see remainers looking and acting smug everywhere. Self entitled pompous fools. It was epitomised by former Lib dem party leader and remainer Paddy Ashdown who said the following on EU referendum day 23rd June 2016 just before the votes were counted..... "I will forgive no one who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, be it by 1% or 20%, because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish. The people demand it of us". It would help if everyone remembered what they said but as we all know it doesn't always happen
Here's what he said from his own lips, so you heard it from the horse's mouth...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bv_1z2lFlw
"Was that prerecorded with the votes being overplayed. As Based on the YouTube He’s said that as the votes are being counted. And with leave being ahead. And when people were starting to realise leave would win given the results which had come in. | |||
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"It wasn’t a case of both sides telling porkies, it was Leave who lied, Leave who broke electoral laws and Leave that doesn’t actually have a plan. As another poster said, you don’t need to jump off a cliff to prove gravity is there, and equally you don’t need to look at the mess at the bottom of the cliff to realise it is a bad idea. It is a one way journey..., lets step away from the cliff "All very true indeed but more people want to jump off the cliff than have a nice walk along the top | |||
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"Funny how remainers were all in favour of the referendum when they thought they had the result in the bag. The Populous opinion poll that came out on the eve of the referendum giving remain a 10 point lead, you could see remainers looking and acting smug everywhere. Self entitled pompous fools. It was epitomised by former Lib dem party leader and remainer Paddy Ashdown who said the following on EU referendum day 23rd June 2016 just before the votes were counted..... "I will forgive no one who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, be it by 1% or 20%, because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish. The people demand it of us". It would help if everyone remembered what they said but as we all know it doesn't always happen
Here's what he said from his own lips, so you heard it from the horse's mouth...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bv_1z2lFlw
Was that prerecorded with the votes being overplayed. As Based on the YouTube He’s said that as the votes are being counted. And with leave being ahead. And when people were starting to realise leave would win given the results which had come in. "It's pretty clear from Paddy's comments he thought Remain had the result in the bag. It could have been a pre recorded interview but even if it was live as results happened it was very early on in the night looking at the number of votes on the screen (around 300,000 votes each, a drop in the ocean considering Leave got over 17 million and remain got around 16 million). | |||
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"Both sides played on fears. Both sides were disingenuous with the truth. Be this quoting gross rather than net payments, or going for a recession headline when the actual numbers were a difference versus staying (a subtle but big difference). Both sides made promises they knew they couldn’t keep. Like the nature of the leave deal, or a brexit budget (that would get thru). " ...you could say that Remain played on reality & Leave played on ERG wet dreams, but they didn’t both approach it equally. | |||
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"Both sides played on fears. Both sides were disingenuous with the truth. Be this quoting gross rather than net payments, or going for a recession headline when the actual numbers were a difference versus staying (a subtle but big difference). Both sides made promises they knew they couldn’t keep. Like the nature of the leave deal, or a brexit budget (that would get thru). ...you could say that Remain played on reality & Leave played on ERG wet dreams, but they didn’t both approach it equally. " The remain campaign was nicknamed Project Fear, ergo they played on people's fears. It wasn't a campaign of reality as almost all of their forecasts and predictions have failed to materialise. They forecast a vote to leave (not actually leaving just a vote to leave) would lead to a deep and immediate recession, an emergency budget, house prices falling by 18%, between 500,000 and 800,000 job losses and the latest one that there would never be an EU Army (now confirmed so it's another false prediction). This is why remoaner scaremongering now has no value, like the boy who cried wolf, you swore a wolf would appear in 2016 if the country voted Leave, and no wolf ever appeared and still hasn't appeared. Remainers are now crying wolf again about Brexit, trouble is no one believes you this time. | |||
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"I think it is pretty safe to say that the economy has performed much worse than it would have done " I think it's pretty safe to say that the economy has performed much better than the remain campaign predicted it would. | |||
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"Both sides played on fears. Both sides were disingenuous with the truth. Be this quoting gross rather than net payments, or going for a recession headline when the actual numbers were a difference versus staying (a subtle but big difference). Both sides made promises they knew they couldn’t keep. Like the nature of the leave deal, or a brexit budget (that would get thru). " What would you say were the three biggest promises that the remain side made, that they couldn’t keep? | |||
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"I think it is pretty safe to say that the economy has performed much worse than it would have done I think it's pretty safe to say that the economy has performed much better than the remain campaign predicted it would. " So if you were having 10 amazing meets every month on Fab.... but then left Fab... And someone said you’d only have 2 amazing meets every month if you did... But it turned out that you were actually still having 5 amazing meets.... You’d be thinking that was a good result? | |||
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"I think it is pretty safe to say that the economy has performed much worse than it would have done I think it's pretty safe to say that the economy has performed much better than the remain campaign predicted it would. " Well, we're not out yet. | |||
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"Both sides played on fears. Both sides were disingenuous with the truth. Be this quoting gross rather than net payments, or going for a recession headline when the actual numbers were a difference versus staying (a subtle but big difference). Both sides made promises they knew they couldn’t keep. Like the nature of the leave deal, or a brexit budget (that would get thru). ...you could say that Remain played on reality & Leave played on ERG wet dreams, but they didn’t both approach it equally. The remain campaign was nicknamed Project Fear, ergo they played on people's fears. It wasn't a campaign of reality as almost all of their forecasts and predictions have failed to materialise. They forecast a vote to leave (not actually leaving just a vote to leave) would lead to a deep and immediate recession, an emergency budget, house prices falling by 18%, between 500,000 and 800,000 job losses and the latest one that there would never be an EU Army (now confirmed so it's another false prediction). This is why remoaner scaremongering now has no value, like the boy who cried wolf, you swore a wolf would appear in 2016 if the country voted Leave, and no wolf ever appeared and still hasn't appeared. Remainers are now crying wolf again about Brexit, trouble is no one believes you this time. " The paper forecasted a loss of gdp of 3.6% compared to staying (osbourne then said this would be a recession ... but that would only be true if the stay gdp remained flat) UBS have recently estimated 2.1% difference versus remaining. While sizewise project fear have over egged it, it’s directionally right and not a million miles away off being right. Project fear also got the sterling hit right. Now I’m not defending their forecasts. And I outright condem osbourne for seeking a headline. However breciteers over sensationalise how off the money they are, without offering anything of their own. Forecasting is not easy. Key is understanding the assumptions so you can adjust their answers. (Eg businesses are used to uncertainty so HMRC analysis over estimated their reaction. A no vote would mean public confidence in brexit was high (by default) so why would people panic on houses?) If you have any brexit economists saying brexit has (to date) seen an uptick, I’d be interested to read it. | |||
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"Both sides played on fears. Both sides were disingenuous with the truth. Be this quoting gross rather than net payments, or going for a recession headline when the actual numbers were a difference versus staying (a subtle but big difference). Both sides made promises they knew they couldn’t keep. Like the nature of the leave deal, or a brexit budget (that would get thru). ...you could say that Remain played on reality & Leave played on ERG wet dreams, but they didn’t both approach it equally. The remain campaign was nicknamed Project Fear, ergo they played on people's fears. It wasn't a campaign of reality as almost all of their forecasts and predictions have failed to materialise. They forecast a vote to leave (not actually leaving just a vote to leave) would lead to a deep and immediate recession, an emergency budget, house prices falling by 18%, between 500,000 and 800,000 job losses and the latest one that there would never be an EU Army (now confirmed so it's another false prediction). This is why remoaner scaremongering now has no value, like the boy who cried wolf, you swore a wolf would appear in 2016 if the country voted Leave, and no wolf ever appeared and still hasn't appeared. Remainers are now crying wolf again about Brexit, trouble is no one believes you this time. The paper forecasted a loss of gdp of 3.6% compared to staying (osbourne then said this would be a recession ... but that would only be true if the stay gdp remained flat) UBS have recently estimated 2.1% difference versus remaining. While sizewise project fear have over egged it, it’s directionally right and not a million miles away off being right. Project fear also got the sterling hit right. Now I’m not defending their forecasts. And I outright condem osbourne for seeking a headline. However breciteers over sensationalise how off the money they are, without offering anything of their own. Forecasting is not easy. Key is understanding the assumptions so you can adjust their answers. (Eg businesses are used to uncertainty so HMRC analysis over estimated their reaction. A no vote would mean public confidence in brexit was high (by default) so why would people panic on houses?) If you have any brexit economists saying brexit has (to date) seen an uptick, I’d be interested to read it. " Probably Patrick Minford (centaurs hero) will have a view on it - over to centaur sure he will cite something! | |||
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"Both sides played on fears. Both sides were disingenuous with the truth. Be this quoting gross rather than net payments, or going for a recession headline when the actual numbers were a difference versus staying (a subtle but big difference). Both sides made promises they knew they couldn’t keep. Like the nature of the leave deal, or a brexit budget (that would get thru). ...you could say that Remain played on reality & Leave played on ERG wet dreams, but they didn’t both approach it equally. The remain campaign was nicknamed Project Fear, ergo they played on people's fears. It wasn't a campaign of reality as almost all of their forecasts and predictions have failed to materialise. They forecast a vote to leave (not actually leaving just a vote to leave) would lead to a deep and immediate recession, an emergency budget, house prices falling by 18%, between 500,000 and 800,000 job losses and the latest one that there would never be an EU Army (now confirmed so it's another false prediction). This is why remoaner scaremongering now has no value, like the boy who cried wolf, you swore a wolf would appear in 2016 if the country voted Leave, and no wolf ever appeared and still hasn't appeared. Remainers are now crying wolf again about Brexit, trouble is no one believes you this time. " You do realise in that story the wolf does eventually appear. | |||
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"Both sides played on fears. Both sides were disingenuous with the truth. Be this quoting gross rather than net payments, or going for a recession headline when the actual numbers were a difference versus staying (a subtle but big difference). Both sides made promises they knew they couldn’t keep. Like the nature of the leave deal, or a brexit budget (that would get thru). ...you could say that Remain played on reality & Leave played on ERG wet dreams, but they didn’t both approach it equally. The remain campaign was nicknamed Project Fear, ergo they played on people's fears. It wasn't a campaign of reality as almost all of their forecasts and predictions have failed to materialise. They forecast a vote to leave (not actually leaving just a vote to leave) would lead to a deep and immediate recession, an emergency budget, house prices falling by 18%, between 500,000 and 800,000 job losses and the latest one that there would never be an EU Army (now confirmed so it's another false prediction). This is why remoaner scaremongering now has no value, like the boy who cried wolf, you swore a wolf would appear in 2016 if the country voted Leave, and no wolf ever appeared and still hasn't appeared. Remainers are now crying wolf again about Brexit, trouble is no one believes you this time. You do realise in that story the wolf does eventually appear." Lolz | |||
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"People's vote a name made up by remainders for referendum.The people who want another one know no one wants another referendum so they think by changing it to "peoples vote "that we are thick enough to go oh that's a good idea.We had a vote just implement it." What exactly did we vote for though? It’s precisely the problem - a vote to leave was too simplistic as it’s actually massively complicated. What one person meant by leave is clearly different from what another person might have meant by leave. So if we are now arriving at whatever version of ‘leave’ the government has managed to negotiate, then a vote on that doesn’t seem entirely unreasonable. The whole point is that it wouldn’t be a repeat of the same question. All that has really happened is that the government has wasted the last two years trying to negotiate to keep all the benefits of being in the EU, and the EU, quite rightly, us largely said “f you want the benefits of being in the EU, that’s called ‘being in the EU’”. | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. Huh!? Who’s voting currently if it’s not people? Is it the cats? " Shhhh, it's the dolphins  | |||
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"Vote here for accepting deal. Vote here for no deal. Simple as that. " That's about as good as the referendum wording! There is a vote on the withdrawal agreement as required by A50 - legally binding! A50 also has provision for a political declaration on the future relationship between the uk/eu - non binding. So one is a legally binding agreement and one is a declaration. I would like to see the withdrawal agreement passed as the alternative is chaos. | |||
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"I'm becoming a fan of TM I might even vote for her if she keeps kicking the brexiters in the balls.. "She is the ideal leader for this. No wonder Dave stood down. | |||
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"I'm becoming a fan of TM I might even vote for her if she keeps kicking the brexiters in the balls.. "Steady on Bob! A vote is for 5 years* not just for Christmas. * unless someone calls a snap election when then promised not to. | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. " Seen what happened when we let people vote??!!! | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. Define people's voting? The people voted to elect parliament. Oh I've no idea, i just see people want to change to that system. " Democracy is THE worst system apart from all the rest! | |||
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"The sooner STV is adopted, the better." Scottish television???? | |||
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"When will this country start having "people's" voting, rather than the system we use at the moment. Define people's voting? The people voted to elect parliament. It’s when you lose and want another vote and make it in to something it ain’t. It’s for when it becomes apparent afterwards that the thing that was voted for is going to be a complete clusterfuck. Some guy in the House of Lords made a very good analogy recently. He asked his aged, rather timid aunts what they would like to do. Democratically they said they would like to go to the cinema. He checked the listings but the only films showing were Reservoir Dogs and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. What should be do? Take them anyway, or ask them if they’d still like to go because he knew they would hate both films?" Love that | |||
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