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"What is she saying then? She wants to be in the club, or out the club? She campaigned to be out of it, but now complains we are not in it. Confused. " Clearly some on here in the same boat! #rulebritannia | |||
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"Would need to see the whole interview but it seems she is saying; if we are to remain fully paid up members for the next two years we should retain our voice." We are not members we leave 29/3 - out! We are having a transition period to avoid chaos, and we are paying for that transition, and, ALSO a portion of legal liabilities which we signed up to! | |||
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"According to The Independent a mayor leave backing MP totally misunderstood what she was supporting. 'Theresa May’s Brexit deal has been slammed by arch-leave MP Nadine Dorries – because it means the UK will be left without any Members of the European Parliament. The Tory backbencher, who campaigned tirelessly to get the country out of Europe, said Ms May's deal would leave the UK without any influence in Europe. “This is a very sad place to be,” she told Sky News. “But unfortunately, the future of the country and of our relationship with Europe is at stake. This deal gives us no voice, no votes, no MEPs, no commissioner.”'" I don’t know, perhaps she meant that we would lose all that but still have to abide by EU rules, free movement etc. It does sound very strange if she didn’t mean it in that context. | |||
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"Would need to see the whole interview but it seems she is saying; if we are to remain fully paid up members for the next two years we should retain our voice." It wasn't an interview just The Independent reporting on her tweet. The tweet reads: "It is worse than what we have now where at least we have a seat at the table and can fight our corner. Being trapped in this never ending nightmare of a transition with no say will make us slaves to the EU" | |||
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"Would need to see the whole interview but it seems she is saying; if we are to remain fully paid up members for the next two years we should retain our voice. It wasn't an interview just The Independent reporting on her tweet. The tweet reads: "It is worse than what we have now where at least we have a seat at the table and can fight our corner. Being trapped in this never ending nightmare of a transition with no say will make us slaves to the EU"" So Nadine Dorries tweet doesn't mention anything about MEP's then. I also saw the thing with her on sky news yesterday and don't recall her mentioning anything about MEP's? Sounds like fake news to me. | |||
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"Brexiters get the politicians they deserve..  "We don't though as we've got a remainer as Prime minister and a remainer as chancellor of the Exchequer. The 2 most important positions in government are held by remainers. | |||
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" So Nadine Dorries tweet doesn't mention anything about MEP's then. I also saw the thing with her on sky news yesterday and don't recall her mentioning anything about MEP's? Sounds like fake news to me. " From her interview with Sky News: “This is a very sad place to be. But unfortunately, the future of the country and of our relationship with Europe is at stake. This deal gives us no voice, no votes, no MEPs, no commissioner.” Genuinely thick. Not fake. | |||
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" So Nadine Dorries tweet doesn't mention anything about MEP's then. I also saw the thing with her on sky news yesterday and don't recall her mentioning anything about MEP's? Sounds like fake news to me. From her interview with Sky News: “This is a very sad place to be. But unfortunately, the future of the country and of our relationship with Europe is at stake. This deal gives us no voice, no votes, no MEPs, no commissioner.” Genuinely thick. Not fake. " BREXIT mentality through and through. | |||
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"I think she's just thick tbh." Oh yes, has probably not even bothered to read it either, just like half the other idiots that haven't read it that our supposed to be looking after out interests. We as tax payers pay these people to read it. I'm not going to read it either LOL. I pay them to do it in the form of my hard earned taxes. FFS read it woman and then make a proper judgment rather than what you think is in it. | |||
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" So Nadine Dorries tweet doesn't mention anything about MEP's then. I also saw the thing with her on sky news yesterday and don't recall her mentioning anything about MEP's? Sounds like fake news to me. From her interview with Sky News: “This is a very sad place to be. But unfortunately, the future of the country and of our relationship with Europe is at stake. This deal gives us no voice, no votes, no MEPs, no commissioner.” Genuinely thick. Not fake. " poor centy... i was awaiting his spin.... I remember seeing the actual interview yesterday, thinking "she can't of just said what she said! then rewinding it on the sky plus, relistened to it twice!, and then thinking the following.... she just does not have a clue!!!!!!! nadine has always been a leading "stupid brexiteer" (not calling all brexiteers stupid before anyone asks!) she has always be a ditzy one on most subjects, she is one of those mps where if they had to take a general test before they would take their seat in the house of commons, I would fully expect to fail spectactually... her and andrea jenkyns! | |||
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" So Nadine Dorries tweet doesn't mention anything about MEP's then. I also saw the thing with her on sky news yesterday and don't recall her mentioning anything about MEP's? Sounds like fake news to me. From her interview with Sky News: “This is a very sad place to be. But unfortunately, the future of the country and of our relationship with Europe is at stake. This deal gives us no voice, no votes, no MEPs, no commissioner.” Genuinely thick. Not fake. poor centy... i was awaiting his spin.... I remember seeing the actual interview yesterday, thinking "she can't of just said what she said! then rewinding it on the sky plus, relistened to it twice!, and then thinking the following.... she just does not have a clue!!!!!!! nadine has always been a leading "stupid brexiteer" (not calling all brexiteers stupid before anyone asks!) she has always be a ditzy one on most subjects, she is one of those mps where if they had to take a general test before they would take their seat in the house of commons, I would fully expect to fail spectactually... her and andrea jenkyns!" She's the MP who took part in one series of 'I'm a celebrity....' is she not? Nuff said. | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes." Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. | |||
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"What is she saying then? She wants to be in the club, or out the club? She campaigned to be out of it, but now complains we are not in it. Confused. #BrexitLogic What do you expect? " | |||
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"I think she's just thick tbh. Oh yes, has probably not even bothered to read it either, just like half the other idiots that haven't read it that our supposed to be looking after out interests. We as tax payers pay these people to read it. I'm not going to read it either LOL. I pay them to do it in the form of my hard earned taxes. FFS read it woman and then make a proper judgment rather than what you think is in it."
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" But even when you do and if you understand it, it's still clearly worse than what we have now." Ah, but the status quo is not an option. So it boils to choosing the least worst option. | |||
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" But even when you do and if you understand it, it's still clearly worse than what we have now. Ah, but the status quo is not an option. So it boils to choosing the least worst option. " The status quo is always an option. Regardless of what anyone says about withdrawal bills etc. If May's deal does not get through Parliament, especially if it's defeated mostly because of ERG BREXITERS, the main body of the Parliamentary Conservative Party will switch back to what most of them actually want, which is Remain. I can not stress to anyone enough how annoyed and angry most Conservative MPs are with Mogg and ERG right now. The tide in the parliamentary party is not going either ERG's, Mogg's or 'no deal's way. This can still all be stopped. If the parliamentary party was really behind Mogg, ERG and hard BREXIT the 48 letters would have been in by Friday night at the latest. Even if the 48 is reached sometime this coming week TM will win the confidence vote and Mogg, ERG and hard 'no deal' BREXIT will be seen to be as dead as it actually has been since December last year. | |||
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" But even when you do and if you understand it, it's still clearly worse than what we have now. Ah, but the status quo is not an option. So it boils to choosing the least worst option. The status quo is always an option. Regardless of what anyone says about withdrawal bills etc. If May's deal does not get through Parliament, especially if it's defeated mostly because of ERG BREXITERS, the main body of the Parliamentary Conservative Party will switch back to what most of them actually want, which is Remain. I can not stress to anyone enough how annoyed and angry most Conservative MPs are with Mogg and ERG right now. The tide in the parliamentary party is not going either ERG's, Mogg's or 'no deal's way. This can still all be stopped. If the parliamentary party was really behind Mogg, ERG and hard BREXIT the 48 letters would have been in by Friday night at the latest. Even if the 48 is reached sometime this coming week TM will win the confidence vote and Mogg, ERG and hard 'no deal' BREXIT will be seen to be as dead as it actually has been since December last year." May's deal or scrap BREXIT It's very easy for the likes of the ERG to stand on the sidelines gobbing off without even been able to come up with a credible plan. | |||
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"Just when you thought our politicians could not become any thicker . . .they never let us down, do they? And you wonder why we're in a mess? " To be fair Nadine is as thick as two short planks. How she ever became an MP is beyond me. She does represent a constituency that would elect a chair leg if it were to be painted blue, so she's marginally cleverer than that alternative. | |||
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"Just when you thought our politicians could not become any thicker . . .they never let us down, do they? And you wonder why we're in a mess? To be fair Nadine is as thick as two short planks. How she ever became an MP is beyond me. She does represent a constituency that would elect a chair leg if it were to be painted blue, so she's marginally cleverer than that alternative." So not as thick as a blue chair leg but as thick than two short blanks. Just another contradiction in Nadine's very contrary life I guess. | |||
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"Now, maybe im setting myself up for a fall here, but I think she is correct. She, as far as I can make out, is talking about the deal that is currently proposed. Is that correct? And, in this deal, we are due to leave, and therefore loose all our " rights " to representation too....MEPs etc. on the 29/3/2019. Correct? But... The EU could keep us tied into the union for a number of years, according to this deal. Correct? So, all things being equal, I think on balance, she is correct in saying that we, in effect, would be a member state of the EU WITHOUT any representation (MEPs) or powers to veto, vote or have any influence outcomes.....am I right? "I think you’re right. However, the key part is we won’t be a member state. Ergo (strictly speaking) brexit has been delivered. (It’s a terrible version. But still a version) | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes. Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. " I actually said agreement / ('or') transition. So no, I haven't got them mixed up. Whether it's the agreement or the transition, we continue to pay contributions. | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes. Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. I actually said agreement / ('or') transition. So no, I haven't got them mixed up. Whether it's the agreement or the transition, we continue to pay contributions. " And with regards to the extensition of the transition period the transition period could last to an undefined date sometime this century (“up to 31 December 20XX”, Art. 132 of the agreement) I'm working my way through all 585 pages of the agreement....which is more than twice as long as the Lisbon Treaty (270 pages) - go figure that one! | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes. Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. I actually said agreement / ('or') transition. So no, I haven't got them mixed up. Whether it's the agreement or the transition, we continue to pay contributions. And with regards to the extensition of the transition period the transition period could last to an undefined date sometime this century (“up to 31 December 20XX”, Art. 132 of the agreement) I'm working my way through all 585 pages of the agreement....which is more than twice as long as the Lisbon Treaty (270 pages) - go figure that one!" It's a slow boring read I warn you - but then water tight legal agreements tend to be! | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes. Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. I actually said agreement / ('or') transition. So no, I haven't got them mixed up. Whether it's the agreement or the transition, we continue to pay contributions. And with regards to the extensition of the transition period the transition period could last to an undefined date sometime this century (“up to 31 December 20XX”, Art. 132 of the agreement) I'm working my way through all 585 pages of the agreement....which is more than twice as long as the Lisbon Treaty (270 pages) - go figure that one!" At least you'll get through the future partnership bit pretty quick. It's only 7 pages!  | |||
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i read it.... and i haven't read a full book in about 5 years (i am an audiobook person before you ask!) | |||
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"i think we should have a "who's read the agreement" thread.... just so that anyone says anything silly, we have a thread that we can refer back to....
i read it.... and i haven't read a full book in about 5 years (i am an audiobook person before you ask!)"I expect MPs to read these things and make difficult decisions. That's why I go the polling station, to read the ballot paper. It's their job to read the treaties. | |||
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"Brexiters get the politicians they deserve..
We don't though as we've got a remainer as Prime minister and a remainer as chancellor of the Exchequer. The 2 most important positions in government are held by remainers. "True, and they are making what appears to be a deliberate mess of it too! | |||
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"Brexiters get the politicians they deserve..
We don't though as we've got a remainer as Prime minister and a remainer as chancellor of the Exchequer. The 2 most important positions in government are held by remainers.
True, and they are making what appears to be a deliberate mess of it too!"ahem... you had a brexiteer foreign secretary who remit was to make it work after brexit, you have has 3 different brexit secretaries who remit was to make the agreements, that was before they made such an arse of it that the PM took over (oh by the way can you tell me what david davies did for 2 years!!!) you still have a brexiteer secretary for international trade who is suppose to making all these fantastic deals for when we leave... 165 countries out there, how many has he spoken to so far...4!!! so please don't tell me remainers are out there fucking up your brexit.... your brexiteers basically ran away from the process the moment they worked out they could never deliever on the promises they made during the referendum... they have all high-tailed it and gone MIA! | |||
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"Brexiters get the politicians they deserve..
We don't though as we've got a remainer as Prime minister and a remainer as chancellor of the Exchequer. The 2 most important positions in government are held by remainers.
True, and they are making what appears to be a deliberate mess of it too!"What changes to economic policies do you think a brexit supporting tory may have made or will make soas it not to be in your opinion a deliberate mess? Funny that some on here who say how well the economy is doing under the tories now seem to think its not so good.. | |||
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"Now, maybe im setting myself up for a fall here, but I think she is correct. She, as far as I can make out, is talking about the deal that is currently proposed. Is that correct? And, in this deal, we are due to leave, and therefore loose all our " rights " to representation too....MEPs etc. on the 29/3/2019. Correct? But... The EU could keep us tied into the union for a number of years, according to this deal. Correct? So, all things being equal, I think on balance, she is correct in saying that we, in effect, would be a member state of the EU WITHOUT any representation (MEPs) or powers to veto, vote or have any influence outcomes.....am I right? "She's totally correct in what she's saying. The thing is this is exactly what those of us who opposed BREXIT said would happen whereas she previously seemed to think that we would be able to leave the EU, keep all the benefits but not be bound by the rules. Basically the EU position is very simple:- If you want to trade freely within the EU then you have to follow the EUs rules. If you no longer want a seat at the table making those rules that's fine with us but you'll still have to follow them if you want the free trade. | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes. Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. I actually said agreement / ('or') transition. So no, I haven't got them mixed up. Whether it's the agreement or the transition, we continue to pay contributions. And with regards to the extensition of the transition period the transition period could last to an undefined date sometime this century (“up to 31 December 20XX”, Art. 132 of the agreement) I'm working my way through all 585 pages of the agreement....which is more than twice as long as the Lisbon Treaty (270 pages) - go figure that one!" The "XX" will be filled in before it gets to parliament. I would guess probably 2022, at the outside 2025. You really need to get someone else to read the whole thing and just point out to you the controversial areas. Much easier. | |||
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"I guess when the british nationalists were appointed to high office, they must have forgotten to take their carefully worked out brexit plan with them. How forgetful of them. " How ludicrous to propose that any British Nationalist has ever been elected, let alone appointed to high office, or any other office. Apart from a handful of council seats and two in the EU’a “European Parliament,” then they have had no say in anything. That is how it was in the early part of the 2000’s, now they have nothing at all... | |||
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" But even when you do and if you understand it, it's still clearly worse than what we have now. Ah, but the status quo is not an option. So it boils to choosing the least worst option. The status quo is always an option. Regardless of what anyone says about withdrawal bills etc. If May's deal does not get through Parliament, especially if it's defeated mostly because of ERG BREXITERS, the main body of the Parliamentary Conservative Party will switch back to what most of them actually want, which is Remain. I can not stress to anyone enough how annoyed and angry most Conservative MPs are with Mogg and ERG right now. The tide in the parliamentary party is not going either ERG's, Mogg's or 'no deal's way. This can still all be stopped. If the parliamentary party was really behind Mogg, ERG and hard BREXIT the 48 letters would have been in by Friday night at the latest. Even if the 48 is reached sometime this coming week TM will win the confidence vote and Mogg, ERG and hard 'no deal' BREXIT will be seen to be as dead as it actually has been since December last year." So, still no sign of the 48. It seems like ERG, like nearly all BREXITERS, are all mouth and no trousers: uncertain trumpets. A lot of shouting, a lot of telling everyone how everyone else is doing it all wrong but, when push comes to shove, they're just not there and don't have the balls to actually do it themselves. | |||
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" But even when you do and if you understand it, it's still clearly worse than what we have now. Ah, but the status quo is not an option. So it boils to choosing the least worst option. The status quo is always an option. Regardless of what anyone says about withdrawal bills etc. If May's deal does not get through Parliament, especially if it's defeated mostly because of ERG BREXITERS, the main body of the Parliamentary Conservative Party will switch back to what most of them actually want, which is Remain. I can not stress to anyone enough how annoyed and angry most Conservative MPs are with Mogg and ERG right now. The tide in the parliamentary party is not going either ERG's, Mogg's or 'no deal's way. This can still all be stopped. If the parliamentary party was really behind Mogg, ERG and hard BREXIT the 48 letters would have been in by Friday night at the latest. Even if the 48 is reached sometime this coming week TM will win the confidence vote and Mogg, ERG and hard 'no deal' BREXIT will be seen to be as dead as it actually has been since December last year. So, still no sign of the 48. It seems like ERG, like nearly all BREXITERS, are all mouth and no trousers: uncertain trumpets. A lot of shouting, a lot of telling everyone how everyone else is doing it all wrong but, when push comes to shove, they're just not there and don't have the balls to actually do it themselves. " On a positive note, the small queue of letter senders are exposed to public scrutiny. It's a who's who of the daft, the dangerous and the deluded. Who the hell votes for these clowns? | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes. Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. I actually said agreement / ('or') transition. So no, I haven't got them mixed up. Whether it's the agreement or the transition, we continue to pay contributions. And with regards to the extensition of the transition period the transition period could last to an undefined date sometime this century (“up to 31 December 20XX”, Art. 132 of the agreement) I'm working my way through all 585 pages of the agreement....which is more than twice as long as the Lisbon Treaty (270 pages) - go figure that one! The "XX" will be filled in before it gets to parliament. I would guess probably 2022, at the outside 2025. You really need to get someone else to read the whole thing and just point out to you the controversial areas. Much easier. " So, longer than the 'only 1 year' then? | |||
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" But even when you do and if you understand it, it's still clearly worse than what we have now. Ah, but the status quo is not an option. So it boils to choosing the least worst option. The status quo is always an option. Regardless of what anyone says about withdrawal bills etc. If May's deal does not get through Parliament, especially if it's defeated mostly because of ERG BREXITERS, the main body of the Parliamentary Conservative Party will switch back to what most of them actually want, which is Remain. I can not stress to anyone enough how annoyed and angry most Conservative MPs are with Mogg and ERG right now. The tide in the parliamentary party is not going either ERG's, Mogg's or 'no deal's way. This can still all be stopped. If the parliamentary party was really behind Mogg, ERG and hard BREXIT the 48 letters would have been in by Friday night at the latest. Even if the 48 is reached sometime this coming week TM will win the confidence vote and Mogg, ERG and hard 'no deal' BREXIT will be seen to be as dead as it actually has been since December last year. So, still no sign of the 48. It seems like ERG, like nearly all BREXITERS, are all mouth and no trousers: uncertain trumpets. A lot of shouting, a lot of telling everyone how everyone else is doing it all wrong but, when push comes to shove, they're just not there and don't have the balls to actually do it themselves. On a positive note, the small queue of letter senders are exposed to public scrutiny. It's a who's who of the daft, the dangerous and the deluded. Who the hell votes for these clowns?" Well, if it's true that people are more likely to vote for people that can easily identify with, probably BREXITERS. | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes. Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. I actually said agreement / ('or') transition. So no, I haven't got them mixed up. Whether it's the agreement or the transition, we continue to pay contributions. And with regards to the extensition of the transition period the transition period could last to an undefined date sometime this century (“up to 31 December 20XX”, Art. 132 of the agreement) I'm working my way through all 585 pages of the agreement....which is more than twice as long as the Lisbon Treaty (270 pages) - go figure that one! The "XX" will be filled in before it gets to parliament. I would guess probably 2022, at the outside 2025. You really need to get someone else to read the whole thing and just point out to you the controversial areas. Much easier. So, longer than the 'only 1 year' then?" Yep. Seems like it could be 2. Personally, if they want to avoid the backstop, I reckon they'll need at least 5 and probably more. The important part is that the backstop only possibly comes into play after the transition period ends if the FTA, possibly with the help of some unknown technology, doesn't solve the border in Ireland problem. | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes. Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. I actually said agreement / ('or') transition. So no, I haven't got them mixed up. Whether it's the agreement or the transition, we continue to pay contributions. And with regards to the extensition of the transition period the transition period could last to an undefined date sometime this century (“up to 31 December 20XX”, Art. 132 of the agreement) I'm working my way through all 585 pages of the agreement....which is more than twice as long as the Lisbon Treaty (270 pages) - go figure that one! The "XX" will be filled in before it gets to parliament. I would guess probably 2022, at the outside 2025. You really need to get someone else to read the whole thing and just point out to you the controversial areas. Much easier. So, longer than the 'only 1 year' then? Yep. Seems like it could be 2. Personally, if they want to avoid the backstop, I reckon they'll need at least 5 and probably more. The important part is that the backstop only possibly comes into play after the transition period ends if the FTA, possibly with the help of some unknown technology, doesn't solve the border in Ireland problem. " And in the meantime we continue to pay contributions that the EU deem we should pay, plus the 39 Billion... | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes. Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. I actually said agreement / ('or') transition. So no, I haven't got them mixed up. Whether it's the agreement or the transition, we continue to pay contributions. And with regards to the extensition of the transition period the transition period could last to an undefined date sometime this century (“up to 31 December 20XX”, Art. 132 of the agreement) I'm working my way through all 585 pages of the agreement....which is more than twice as long as the Lisbon Treaty (270 pages) - go figure that one! The "XX" will be filled in before it gets to parliament. I would guess probably 2022, at the outside 2025. You really need to get someone else to read the whole thing and just point out to you the controversial areas. Much easier. So, longer than the 'only 1 year' then? Yep. Seems like it could be 2. Personally, if they want to avoid the backstop, I reckon they'll need at least 5 and probably more. The important part is that the backstop only possibly comes into play after the transition period ends if the FTA, possibly with the help of some unknown technology, doesn't solve the border in Ireland problem. And in the meantime we continue to pay contributions that the EU deem we should pay, plus the 39 Billion..." Now don't say you didn't know - Jacob had already told you - that's what vassal means! | |||
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"What she was saying is correct in the agreement....it also says we continue to pay such contributions as the EU deems, plus the 40 Billion, for the duration of the agreement / transition period. And the transition period can be extended, effectively, for as long as the EU wishes. Actually the transition period can only be extended for up to 1 year and only at the request of the UK. You're getting the transition period mixed up with the backstop. The backstop only comes into play after the transition period, if, and only if, an FTA is either not reached by the end of the transition period or the FTA reached does not resolve the Northern Ireland border problem. Whilst being the best BREXIT deal possible it's still a shit deal for UK but it is important when we discuss its merits and demerits that we talk about what is actually in the deal and not just what we think is in the deal. I actually said agreement / ('or') transition. So no, I haven't got them mixed up. Whether it's the agreement or the transition, we continue to pay contributions. And with regards to the extensition of the transition period the transition period could last to an undefined date sometime this century (“up to 31 December 20XX”, Art. 132 of the agreement) I'm working my way through all 585 pages of the agreement....which is more than twice as long as the Lisbon Treaty (270 pages) - go figure that one! The "XX" will be filled in before it gets to parliament. I would guess probably 2022, at the outside 2025. You really need to get someone else to read the whole thing and just point out to you the controversial areas. Much easier. So, longer than the 'only 1 year' then? Yep. Seems like it could be 2. Personally, if they want to avoid the backstop, I reckon they'll need at least 5 and probably more. The important part is that the backstop only possibly comes into play after the transition period ends if the FTA, possibly with the help of some unknown technology, doesn't solve the border in Ireland problem. And in the meantime we continue to pay contributions that the EU deem we should pay, plus the 39 Billion..." Well the £39 billion figure only ever existed in the imagination of the government. The EU reckons the final amount actually paid will be closer to €70 billion. But yes, if the transition period is extended then we will be paying in for longer. | |||
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"So, in a nutshell, regarding this deal, she was right... We could be stuck in the EU for another 6 years and have no powers, no representation and no say in how things are done, plus we would be paying for the priviledge....Fuck the EU, Raab was right, time to tell them to take a flying fuck off a pier, wankers. "Hey we are going to invent a tech solution - might only take a few weeks - nobody knows. But yes, we could just walk with nowt - follow the 48! | |||
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"So, in a nutshell, regarding this deal, she was right... We could be stuck in the EU for another 6 years and have no powers, no representation and no say in how things are done, plus we would be paying for the priviledge....Fuck the EU, Raab was right, time to tell them to take a flying fuck off a pier, wankers. "Choices that have been made and could be made and nothing's been a secret, including the December 2017 agreement - remember almost a year ago, when the first stage of the agreement was almost held-up, because there wasn't consensus on the NI border issue? That agreement included concepts such as how the UK/EU could continue to inter-operate, such that the UK would gain benefits, the transition period but would also invest to gain those benefits. No deal has only been attractive to extremists, such as the ERG, where the UK would gain immediate isolation but degrade itself. | |||
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