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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London

The USA has unilaterally withdrawn from the Iran nuclear deal.

It is UK national policy to support this deal.

The USA will impose secondary sanctions on any company trading with Iran.

Does the UK have sovereignty over it's foreign policy if UK companies are intimidated by a foreign power into not doing business where they wish to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, but you won't hear anyone banging on about that because it doesn't suit their narrative.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The EU is trying to put in place an alternative means of business for companies doing business with Iran.

Some have already pulled out because the US threats jeopardise their interests in the USA.

China, Russia, France, UK, Germany, UK and EU are all sticking with the Iran deal. So is Iran.

A report last week by the IAEA said Iran continues to comply with the terms.

It's another Obama legacy that Trump wants to destroy.

He is trying to build a coalition for regime change.

When it comes to non-proliferation, look at Trump's record.

He had a watertight agreement with Iran to stop them getting the bomb and he tears it up.

He has no agreement with North Korea and the country still develops nuclear warheads, yet he claims to have achieved its disarmament.

Trump is an idiot.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Trump tells it as it is ...his spat with the rat macron proves how little the pigmy man knows about his own countrymen...ask a French person is he French or eu ...you will get a very short nationalistic answer xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trump tells it as it is ...his spat with the rat macron proves how little the pigmy man knows about his own countrymen...ask a French person is he French or eu ...you will get a very short nationalistic answer xxx"

So why do you want to retire here?

If the French are so nationalistic do you think they would welcome you?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

They always welcome the English....some even live here you know ...join in fit in etc etc..but I still admire there French ways ....that is why I like it so much x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They always welcome the English....some even live here you know ...join in fit in etc etc..but I still admire there French ways ....that is why I like it so much x"

Not always - things are changing. The naturist village in Cap is not a true reflection of the French. Here (Occatainie) we are in the equivalent of a UKIP stronghold - and there are the same idiots here as there are in the UK. Having said that it depends who you mix with - but you can spot the "Pennites" a mile away!

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"Trump tells it as it is ...his spat with the rat macron proves how little the pigmy man knows about his own countrymen...ask a French person is he French or eu ...you will get a very short nationalistic answer xxx"

Do we have sovereignty in foreign policy if the USA threatens our companies?

Does this make us a vassal state?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The USA has unilaterally withdrawn from the Iran nuclear deal.

It is UK national policy to support this deal.

The USA will impose secondary sanctions on any company trading with Iran.

Does the UK have sovereignty over it's foreign policy if UK companies are intimidated by a foreign power into not doing business where they wish to?"

I assume the conclusion you want people to reach is that sovereignty is a bullshit illusion at best. An out dated and pointless concept used by the ruling elite to breed compliance among the plebs. As was evident in the refarendum of 2016.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"The USA has unilaterally withdrawn from the Iran nuclear deal.

It is UK national policy to support this deal.

The USA will impose secondary sanctions on any company trading with Iran.

Does the UK have sovereignty over it's foreign policy if UK companies are intimidated by a foreign power into not doing business where they wish to?

I assume the conclusion you want people to reach is that sovereignty is a bullshit illusion at best. An out dated and pointless concept used by the ruling elite to breed compliance among the plebs. As was evident in the refarendum of 2016.

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Not really.

I'd actually like people to think about what the concept means and write it down here.

Thinking is good. Reproducing newspaper headlines or quotes is nonsense.

I'd also like them to consider this in the context of this specific, non-hypothetical scenario.

So, what's your opinion on this specific point?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The USA has unilaterally withdrawn from the Iran nuclear deal.

It is UK national policy to support this deal.

The USA will impose secondary sanctions on any company trading with Iran.

Does the UK have sovereignty over it's foreign policy if UK companies are intimidated by a foreign power into not doing business where they wish to?

I assume the conclusion you want people to reach is that sovereignty is a bullshit illusion at best. An out dated and pointless concept used by the ruling elite to breed compliance among the plebs. As was evident in the refarendum of 2016.

Not really.

I'd actually like people to think about what the concept means and write it down here.

Thinking is good. Reproducing newspaper headlines or quotes is nonsense.

I'd also like them to consider this in the context of this specific, non-hypothetical scenario.

So, what's your opinion on this specific point?"

Ah interesting. To me sovereignty is just an abstract concept. I don’t care about the nationality of the ruling classes. Be it EU, British or German (ie our sovereign leader). I care about the decisions they make and the legislation they make, if it’s in the interest of the people or if it’s in the interests of big business and the ruling elite.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"The USA has unilaterally withdrawn from the Iran nuclear deal.

It is UK national policy to support this deal.

The USA will impose secondary sanctions on any company trading with Iran.

Does the UK have sovereignty over it's foreign policy if UK companies are intimidated by a foreign power into not doing business where they wish to?

I assume the conclusion you want people to reach is that sovereignty is a bullshit illusion at best. An out dated and pointless concept used by the ruling elite to breed compliance among the plebs. As was evident in the refarendum of 2016.

Not really.

I'd actually like people to think about what the concept means and write it down here.

Thinking is good. Reproducing newspaper headlines or quotes is nonsense.

I'd also like them to consider this in the context of this specific, non-hypothetical scenario.

So, what's your opinion on this specific point?

Ah interesting. To me sovereignty is just an abstract concept. I don’t care about the nationality of the ruling classes. Be it EU, British or German (ie our sovereign leader). I care about the decisions they make and the legislation they make, if it’s in the interest of the people or if it’s in the interests of big business and the ruling elite. "

It is an abstract concept.

Does the US/Iran situation mean that the UK has the freedom to make good or bad decisions in or out of the EU? Let's call this sovereignty as none of it's greatest defenders in the forum have not chosen to contribute

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"The USA has unilaterally withdrawn from the Iran nuclear deal.

It is UK national policy to support this deal.

The USA will impose secondary sanctions on any company trading with Iran.

Does the UK have sovereignty over it's foreign policy if UK companies are intimidated by a foreign power into not doing business where they wish to?

I assume the conclusion you want people to reach is that sovereignty is a bullshit illusion at best. An out dated and pointless concept used by the ruling elite to breed compliance among the plebs. As was evident in the refarendum of 2016.

Not really.

I'd actually like people to think about what the concept means and write it down here.

Thinking is good. Reproducing newspaper headlines or quotes is nonsense.

I'd also like them to consider this in the context of this specific, non-hypothetical scenario.

So, what's your opinion on this specific point?

Ah interesting. To me sovereignty is just an abstract concept. I don’t care about the nationality of the ruling classes. Be it EU, British or German (ie our sovereign leader). I care about the decisions they make and the legislation they make, if it’s in the interest of the people or if it’s in the interests of big business and the ruling elite.

It is an abstract concept.

Does the US/Iran situation mean that the UK has the freedom to make good or bad decisions in or out of the EU? Let's call this sovereignty as none of it's greatest defenders in the forum have not chosen to contribute "

none of it's greatest defenders in the forum have chosen to contribute*

That one's for the pendants

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London

You guessed it, Brexiteer fail.

Bless.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London

Still no Brexiteer able to answer a direct question?

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"Trump tells it as it is ...his spat with the rat macron proves how little the pigmy man knows about his own countrymen...ask a French person is he French or eu ...you will get a very short nationalistic answer xxx"

The USA has unilaterally withdrawn from the Iran nuclear deal.

It is UK national policy to support this deal.

The USA will impose secondary sanctions on any company trading with Iran.

Does the UK have sovereignty over it's foreign policy if UK companies are intimidated by a foreign power into not doing business where they wish to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trump tells it as it is ...his spat with the rat macron proves how little the pigmy man knows about his own countrymen...ask a French person is he French or eu ...you will get a very short nationalistic answer xxx

The USA has unilaterally withdrawn from the Iran nuclear deal.

It is UK national policy to support this deal.

The USA will impose secondary sanctions on any company trading with Iran.

Does the UK have sovereignty over it's foreign policy if UK companies are intimidated by a foreign power into not doing business where they wish to?"

Yep that's it - US is far too "powerful" economically - $ being the international currency gives them a lot of influence - just like the £ used to be 100yrs ago!

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