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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader?" Dunno, try asking in the Politics forum. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? Dunno, try asking in the Politics forum." It’s good to ask some real people for once  | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader?" this will be moved to politics.... although since this affects all of us i don't think it should be.... anyway tow part answer.... 1)gove, mcveigh, mourdant and ledsome 2) i think they will have enough letters to have a potential vote of confidence vote tonight, but if they had the vote and she wins... she can't be challenged for another 12 months.... i think there are higher odds now of a 2nd referendum than there is a general election.... | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? this will be moved to politics.... although since this affects all of us i don't think it should be.... anyway tow part answer.... 1)gove, mcveigh, mourdant and ledsome 2) i think they will have enough letters to have a potential vote of confidence vote tonight, but if they had the vote and she wins... she can't be challenged for another 12 months.... i think there are higher odds now of a 2nd referendum than there is a general election...." Agreed. I also hope so! | |||
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"It's almost as if the EU don't want us to be better off outside the union than inside it... "  | |||
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"It's almost as if the EU don't want us to be better off outside the union than inside it... " But we knew that already | |||
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" Dunno, try asking in the Politics forum." now we know what the divorce looks like... this relates to all of now! | |||
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" Dunno, try asking in the Politics forum. now we know what the divorce looks like... this relates to all of now!" All of who?  | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? Dunno, try asking in the Politics forum." Oops, wasn't aware there was a separate section for Politics. My apologies to all | |||
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"It's almost as if the EU don't want us to be better off outside the union than inside it... " actually.... the statement should be written differently, I can't believe that people thought you would get a better deal being outside of the club than being in the club itself..... | |||
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" Dunno, try asking in the Politics forum. now we know what the divorce looks like... this relates to all of now! All of who? "every single person in the uk.... unless you don't live in the uk is what you are saying | |||
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" Dunno, try asking in the Politics forum. now we know what the divorce looks like... this relates to all of now! All of who?
every single person in the uk.... unless you don't live in the uk is what you are saying"What did I do? | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? Dunno, try asking in the Politics forum. Oops, wasn't aware there was a separate section for Politics. My apologies to all" Don’t ever apologise in the forums  | |||
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"Bit off topic but I find ‘resigned’ a laughable terminology when it comes to MP’s. When anyone else resigns they stop getting paid, are unemployed until they find new work etc. What do ‘resigning’ MP’s lose?" They lose office and become a backbencher and get a drop in salary. They lose perks of office such as cars etc. | |||
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".... 1)gove, mcveigh, mourdant and ledsome 2) i think they will have enough letters to have a potential vote of confidence vote tonight, but if they had the vote and she wins... she can't be challenged for another 12 months.... i think there are higher odds now of a 2nd referendum than there is a general election...." although I think the 22 committee is probably trying to avoid a leadership election, I heard that the chair was suggesting to some MPs that that might want to hang on to their letter for a while. ... I gather that the party is worried about a foaming-at-the-mouth candidate winning and making them unelectable for a couple of parliaments because the membership is now mostly old and not terribly PC.
I think there's a lot to be said for a referendum on the deal on offer, ideally a ranked choice from the deal, the cliff, another round of negotiation or giving up and apologising. However there would have to be legislation for a referendum and there's not enough time at the moment to fit one in so I think it's up to parliament and what a shower of mealy-mouthed idiots they are (not entirely to be sure but for what amounts to the most important policy decision in a generation or two I'd rather have technocrats in charge than politicians)
Still most of us will be dead before the worst effects become apparent. lol
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"Work and Pensions secretary Esther McVey now resigned" Funny how I read this here first rather than my news feed..... | |||
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"Bit off topic but I find ‘resigned’ a laughable terminology when it comes to MP’s. When anyone else resigns they stop getting paid, are unemployed until they find new work etc. What do ‘resigning’ MP’s lose? " They are not resigning as an MP, so continue in that role. They are resigning their role in the Cabinet... | |||
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"Work and Pensions secretary Esther McVey now resigned Funny how I read this here first rather than my news feed..... "She resigned 7am lol | |||
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"Bit off topic but I find ‘resigned’ a laughable terminology when it comes to MP’s. When anyone else resigns they stop getting paid, are unemployed until they find new work etc. What do ‘resigning’ MP’s lose? They lose office and become a backbencher and get a drop in salary. They lose perks of office such as cars etc. " That's if they are in the government such as a minister, if an MP resigns they need a new job and there's a by election. Took me a while to realise that most MPs in the dominant party aren't actually members of the government, just 'backbenchers' Mike xx | |||
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"Work and Pensions secretary Esther McVey now resigned" I would seriously nail Esther McVey...she is gorgeous | |||
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"Work and Pensions secretary Esther McVey now resigned I would seriously nail Esther McVey...she is gorgeous " But a cold cold heart... | |||
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"Work and Pensions secretary Esther McVey now resigned I would seriously nail Esther McVey...she is gorgeous" She’s got your vote then  | |||
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"Time for this to all stop and call another referendum. It has gone way above head " Why another referendum?  | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? this will be moved to politics.... although since this affects all of us i don't think it should be.... anyway tow part answer.... 1)gove, mcveigh, mourdant and ledsome 2) i think they will have enough letters to have a potential vote of confidence vote tonight, but if they had the vote and she wins... she can't be challenged for another 12 months.... i think there are higher odds now of a 2nd referendum than there is a general election...." There is another option which you failed to mention. I think there is higher odds of us leaving with no deal in March. | |||
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"Time for this to all stop and call another referendum. It has gone way above head Why another referendum? "Would you buy a house without having a survey done ? It’s called due diligence. If the deal is bad or there is no deal you just don’t go blindly stumbling on. We should not be tied by dogma often the best choice is to change your mind. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? this will be moved to politics.... although since this affects all of us i don't think it should be.... anyway tow part answer.... 1)gove, mcveigh, mourdant and ledsome 2) i think they will have enough letters to have a potential vote of confidence vote tonight, but if they had the vote and she wins... she can't be challenged for another 12 months.... i think there are higher odds now of a 2nd referendum than there is a general election.... Agreed. I also hope so!" its not a game .we don't want another referendum .We had a democratic vote .if people can't respect results then all referendums need doing away with . so you have to keep voting till the results go the way the elite want . where is the democracy in all that . this country needs a good shake .its pathetic . | |||
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"Work and Pensions secretary Esther McVey now resigned I would seriously nail Esther McVey...she is gorgeous" She gets my vote | |||
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"Work and Pensions secretary Esther McVey now resigned I would seriously nail Esther McVey...she is gorgeous" Comes across as a bunny boiler.. Each to their own eh.. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? this will be moved to politics.... although since this affects all of us i don't think it should be.... anyway tow part answer.... 1)gove, mcveigh, mourdant and ledsome 2) i think they will have enough letters to have a potential vote of confidence vote tonight, but if they had the vote and she wins... she can't be challenged for another 12 months.... i think there are higher odds now of a 2nd referendum than there is a general election.... Agreed. I also hope so!its not a game .we don't want another referendum .We had a democratic vote .if people can't respect results then all referendums need doing away with . so you have to keep voting till the results go the way the elite want . where is the democracy in all that . this country needs a good shake .its pathetic . " The only way you can take that stance if, at the referendum, you believed you were voting for a no-deal Brexit. If not, then surely the vote then has no relevance, and we need to judge again the thoughts of the country? That is democracy. | |||
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"Can she do a John Major and instigate a leadership vote herself - the put-up or shut-up option? Or have the party rules changed?" She can't and it won't make a difference even if she could. Under Fixed Term Parliamentary Act no election can be called prematurely before the five years is up unless a vote is put to Parliament for one and it is approved with a two thirds majority. So May can't even use the "put up and shut up or Jeremy gets in" threat, since she could be deposed and the new PM would not be in any way compelled to call fresh elections. | |||
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"Can she do a John Major and instigate a leadership vote herself - the put-up or shut-up option? Or have the party rules changed?" Yes, she could resign and if she got the requisite number of nominations, then she could stand again. If she was to lose a vote of no confidence, held when the 1922 Committee get the required number of letters (48), then she would be barred from standing. | |||
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"Time for this to all stop and call another referendum. It has gone way above head Why another referendum?
Would you buy a house without having a survey done ? It’s called due diligence.
If the deal is bad or there is no deal you just don’t go blindly stumbling on.
We should not be tied by dogma often the best choice is to change your mind."Who’s changed their mind? | |||
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"Can she do a John Major and instigate a leadership vote herself - the put-up or shut-up option? Or have the party rules changed?" Yes, she can resign. | |||
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"Jacob Rees-Mogg for President "His mother should have swallowed.... | |||
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"Jacob Rees-Mogg for President
His mother should have swallowed.... "Hahahahaha!! I’ve never laughed so hard! | |||
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"Dominic Raab - Brexit Secretary resigns over the negotiations he was responsible for presiding over. Irony? What?" Yep, like Davis resigning over the negotiations he was responsible for. And Cameron resigning over the referendum he was responsible for. Spot a pattern? -Matt | |||
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"It’s funny how the rabid foaming at the mouth right wing Tories are the ones who really had an issue with the EU Rather than wasting their efforts and hot air they would have been better of fixing the real problems this country faces. Rather than their imaginary EU bogey man." True, we need to focus on how to rid our country of the plague of socialism. | |||
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"It’s funny how the rabid foaming at the mouth right wing Tories are the ones who really had an issue with the EU Rather than wasting their efforts and hot air they would have been better of fixing the real problems this country faces. Rather than their imaginary EU bogey man. True, we need to focus on how to rid our country of the plague of socialism. " Ha ha ha ha knob | |||
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"Jacob Rees-Mogg for President
His mother should have swallowed.... "Oh if only | |||
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"Bit off topic but I find ‘resigned’ a laughable terminology when it comes to MP’s. When anyone else resigns they stop getting paid, are unemployed until they find new work etc. What do ‘resigning’ MP’s lose?" i wonder will mcvey be sanctioned for walking away from her job | |||
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"It’s funny how the rabid foaming at the mouth right wing Tories are the ones who really had an issue with the EU Rather than wasting their efforts and hot air they would have been better of fixing the real problems this country faces. Rather than their imaginary EU bogey man. True, we need to focus on how to rid our country of the plague of socialism. " Socialism is not a problem this country faces.... The real problems are lack of long term planning and real vision rather than the short termism that the current crop of incompetants both left and right indulge in..... | |||
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"It’s funny how the rabid foaming at the mouth right wing Tories are the ones who really had an issue with the EU Rather than wasting their efforts and hot air they would have been better of fixing the real problems this country faces. Rather than their imaginary EU bogey man. True, we need to focus on how to rid our country of the plague of socialism. " Do you dislike free health care, education, a safety net for the less fortunate in society, employment laws that protect workers, etc. etc.? These are all the evil results of Socialism. | |||
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" Do you dislike free health care, education, a safety net for the less fortunate in society, employment laws that protect workers, etc. etc.? These are all the evil results of Socialism." Like TM's UC that has replaced 6 seperate benifits rolling them into one unworkable system? Or the severely underfunded NHS with 3/4 year waiting lists for patients requiring treatment socialism eh? | |||
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" Do you dislike free health care, education, a safety net for the less fortunate in society, employment laws that protect workers, etc. etc.? These are all the evil results of Socialism. Like TM's UC that has replaced 6 seperate benifits rolling them into one unworkable system? Or the severely underfunded NHS with 3/4 year waiting lists for patients requiring treatment socialism eh? " Of course the problem there being the fact the Tories have done all they can, to undo as much of these services that they can get away with. They are not well known for holding very strong socialist values. I'm not sure to whom you were aiming the comment. | |||
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"We are heading for a no deal BREXIT, and thank the Gods for that! #FuckTheEU" You may well be right - we will know before Xmas. However I think only the UK are going to be fucked! Merry Xmas | |||
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"Hey look on the brightside remainers. If TM's CHeckers plans goes through we will still nearly be in the EU but without the expense and embarrassment of sending that idiot Nigel Farage over there to represent us any more. Think of the saving we'll make sending that windbag over there ever week." Nigel Farage ..... That was another mother who forgot to swallow.... | |||
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"Hey look on the brightside remainers. If TM's CHeckers plans goes through we will still nearly be in the EU but without the expense and embarrassment of sending that idiot Nigel Farage over there to represent us any more. Think of the saving we'll make sending that windbag over there ever week. Nigel Farage ..... That was another mother who forgot to swallow...." I was going to say a little ray of isunshine crept in there but no doubt he’ll be popping up on all sorts of media to say why brexit failed because of the prime minister, the government, the opposition, the eu, faceless bureaucrats, etc and not shouldering any of the burden himself. Honestly if I met him in a pub, I’d buy him a pint and pour it over his fatuous selfish little head, that’s if I’ll be able to afford the luxury once him and his ilk have fucked the economy over. What a horrid little toad he is! Well at least I won’t be paying for the arse anymore  | |||
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"Hey look on the brightside remainers. If TM's CHeckers plans goes through we will still nearly be in the EU but without the expense and embarrassment of sending that idiot Nigel Farage over there to represent us any more. Think of the saving we'll make sending that windbag over there ever week. Nigel Farage ..... That was another mother who forgot to swallow...." Beats me how he ever found his way out of the birth canal? | |||
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"Hey look on the brightside remainers. If TM's CHeckers plans goes through we will still nearly be in the EU but without the expense and embarrassment of sending that idiot Nigel Farage over there to represent us any more. Think of the saving we'll make sending that windbag over there ever week. Nigel Farage ..... That was another mother who forgot to swallow.... Beats me how he ever found his way out of the birth canal?" Nah he was created in a Petri dish | |||
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"It’s funny how the rabid foaming at the mouth right wing Tories are the ones who really had an issue with the EU Rather than wasting their efforts and hot air they would have been better of fixing the real problems this country faces. Rather than their imaginary EU bogey man. True, we need to focus on how to rid our country of the plague of socialism. Do you dislike free health care, education, a safety net for the less fortunate in society, employment laws that protect workers, etc. etc.? These are all the evil results of Socialism." "Free" health care and education? Pray tell how these free services are magically funded!? | |||
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"Dominic Raab - Brexit Secretary resigns over the negotiations he was responsible for presiding over. Irony? What? Yep, like Davis resigning over the negotiations he was responsible for. And Cameron resigning over the referendum he was responsible for. Spot a pattern? -Matt" Resigning in protest at what you yourself have come up with is pretty novel. Still, he has the honour of mounting one of the most novel resignations ever: "I demand the resignation of Dominic Raab for his shitshow Brexit negotiations!" [shuffles round to the other side of his desk] "I immediately accede to your demands" [shuffles back round] "Result!" | |||
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"It’s funny how the rabid foaming at the mouth right wing Tories are the ones who really had an issue with the EU Rather than wasting their efforts and hot air they would have been better of fixing the real problems this country faces. Rather than their imaginary EU bogey man. True, we need to focus on how to rid our country of the plague of socialism. Do you dislike free health care, education, a safety net for the less fortunate in society, employment laws that protect workers, etc. etc.? These are all the evil results of Socialism. "Free" health care and education? Pray tell how these free services are magically funded!? " There speaks a man without a history degree. | |||
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"Hey look on the brightside remainers. If TM's CHeckers plans goes through we will still nearly be in the EU but without the expense and embarrassment of sending that idiot Nigel Farage over there to represent us any more. Think of the saving we'll make sending that windbag over there ever week. Nigel Farage ..... That was another mother who forgot to swallow.... I was going to say a little ray of isunshine crept in there but no doubt he’ll be popping up on all sorts of media to say why brexit failed because of the prime minister, the government, the opposition, the eu, faceless bureaucrats, etc and not shouldering any of the burden himself. Honestly if I met him in a pub, I’d buy him a pint and pour it over his fatuous selfish little head, that’s if I’ll be able to afford the luxury once him and his ilk have fucked the economy over. What a horrid little toad he is! Well at least I won’t be paying for the arse anymore "I think I would be tempted to try and recreate one of the bar scenes from Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. | |||
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"Dominic Raab - Brexit Secretary resigns over the negotiations he was responsible for presiding over. Irony? What?" He wasn't presiding over it though since Theresa May said she was taking "personal responsibility" for the negotiations, she took it out of his hands. | |||
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"Dominic Raab - Brexit Secretary resigns over the negotiations he was responsible for presiding over. Irony? What? He wasn't presiding over it though since Theresa May said she was taking "personal responsibility" for the negotiations, she took it out of his hands. " Nothing to see here. Move along. | |||
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"The lot appear like rats, trying to desert a sinking ship. The Brexit deal was formed by government ministers meeting at Chequers for the weekend, working together. It was their plan that resulted in this final deal that's been finalised with the EU, so they should hold the same level of blame for the cluserf0ck that the government is in. Most of them have idly being enjoying their snouts in the trough of power, holding out until near the bitter end. They're not worthy of government office." | |||
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"Dominic Raab - Brexit Secretary resigns over the negotiations he was responsible for presiding over. Irony? What? He wasn't presiding over it though since Theresa May said she was taking "personal responsibility" for the negotiations, she took it out of his hands. " it speaks volumes that the brexiteers can’t even persuade weak May, especially given her plan is car crash tv, nor present a compelling case in cabinet, and their only recourse is a “principaled” resignation. She was voted in desperate voting remain, and has seen off two ministers of brexit and a foreign secretary. Not bad for someone so terrible. | |||
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"They're not worthy of government office." Wait until you see the alternative | |||
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"They're not worthy of government office. Wait until you see the alternative " | |||
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"On a personal non political note...Im not a tory..but i felt sorry for TM...she has been shit on by everyone.She was dealt this hand by Cameron who then fkd off..no human has to put up with what shes putting up with. Does she really want screw the country..course not. Shes been left to pick up the turd without gloves...others have stabbed her and are now rejoicing in it." Theresa May only has herself to blame for where she's at now. She took the decision herself to stand for the Tory leadership, she wasn't forced into it, it was her own decision. | |||
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"Agree to a point...but thats no reason for her to be dumped on by her own party and Brussels. " Comparing true Brit Tories to nasty foreigners ... Pffft what is the world coming to? | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader?" The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck | |||
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"Hey look on the brightside remainers. If TM's CHeckers plans goes through we will still nearly be in the EU but without the expense and embarrassment of sending that idiot Nigel Farage over there to represent us any more. Think of the saving we'll make sending that windbag over there ever week." Trouble is that he rarely shows up to do his job | |||
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"Question: How long does it take to write a letter? All the showmanship of these brexiteers - just do it! That's the problem - they talk a good job but do nothing - why?" Because they haven't got the numbers. They can get a vote of no confidence but lose that and they are done for at least a year. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck "Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point | |||
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"Question: How long does it take to write a letter? All the showmanship of these brexiteers - just do it! That's the problem - they talk a good job but do nothing - why? Because they haven't got the numbers. They can get a vote of no confidence but lose that and they are done for at least a year." It's not about the numbers, it's about the extreme right doing something. For example ERG group have 80 members - more than enough to force a contest. Or not having the numbers means 50% of the Tory party don't want to commit suicide? | |||
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"The wonder if they have to write the letter out by hand themselves or is there a template they can use in Word?" no, they all have interns locked in a filing cabinet who they can flog into writing it for them while they go off for a nice spot of free lunch in one of the plethera of restaurants in the commons ... huzzah | |||
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"Question: How long does it take to write a letter? All the showmanship of these brexiteers - just do it! That's the problem - they talk a good job but do nothing - why? Because they haven't got the numbers. They can get a vote of no confidence but lose that and they are done for at least a year. It's not about the numbers, it's about the extreme right doing something. For example ERG group have 80 members - more than enough to force a contest. Or not having the numbers means 50% of the Tory party don't want to commit suicide? " Whereas TM has 240ish loyal MPs. She will win that initial contest and that's the ERG unable to get her out for 12 months. Without Brexit, the ERG will lose their focus. | |||
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"Question: How long does it take to write a letter? All the showmanship of these brexiteers - just do it! That's the problem - they talk a good job but do nothing - why? Because they haven't got the numbers. They can get a vote of no confidence but lose that and they are done for at least a year. It's not about the numbers, it's about the extreme right doing something. For example ERG group have 80 members - more than enough to force a contest. Or not having the numbers means 50% of the Tory party don't want to commit suicide? Whereas TM has 240ish loyal MPs. She will win that initial contest and that's the ERG unable to get her out for 12 months. Without Brexit, the ERG will lose their focus. " You could be right about this. They only have one chance to get this right and if they mess it up, they become an irrelevance for at least a year. This could actually benefit Theresa May as more and more moderate Conservatives are coming out in support of her. | |||
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"Question: How long does it take to write a letter? All the showmanship of these brexiteers - just do it! That's the problem - they talk a good job but do nothing - why? Because they haven't got the numbers. They can get a vote of no confidence but lose that and they are done for at least a year. It's not about the numbers, it's about the extreme right doing something. For example ERG group have 80 members - more than enough to force a contest. Or not having the numbers means 50% of the Tory party don't want to commit suicide? Whereas TM has 240ish loyal MPs. She will win that initial contest and that's the ERG unable to get her out for 12 months. Without Brexit, the ERG will lose their focus. You could be right about this. They only have one chance to get this right and if they mess it up, they become an irrelevance for at least a year. This could actually benefit Theresa May as more and more moderate Conservatives are coming out in support of her." It's a good assumption that they'll get their no confidence vote on Monday. They then need 158 MPs to get TM out of the picture for good. | |||
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"Question: How long does it take to write a letter? All the showmanship of these brexiteers - just do it! That's the problem - they talk a good job but do nothing - why? Because they haven't got the numbers. They can get a vote of no confidence but lose that and they are done for at least a year. It's not about the numbers, it's about the extreme right doing something. For example ERG group have 80 members - more than enough to force a contest. Or not having the numbers means 50% of the Tory party don't want to commit suicide? Whereas TM has 240ish loyal MPs. She will win that initial contest and that's the ERG unable to get her out for 12 months. Without Brexit, the ERG will lose their focus. You could be right about this. They only have one chance to get this right and if they mess it up, they become an irrelevance for at least a year. This could actually benefit Theresa May as more and more moderate Conservatives are coming out in support of her. It's a good assumption that they'll get their no confidence vote on Monday. They then need 158 MPs to get TM out of the picture for good." Funny how a little vociferous group can cause so much shit! But when it comes to standing up and be counted (for a cause they believe in so passionately), they are conspicuous by their absence! | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point"Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy. The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence. I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
"The European Union will have no choice but to deal with us either way, yes the pound may suffer but so will other currencies. The uk is a huge part of the German auto industry so their economy will take a hit and also they need us for the deals they get with China and the US. In my opinion we as a nation undervalue ourselves on the world stage, yes we will have to face a much larger EU but we will be able to secure deals regardless because worldwide there are businesses and economies that rely on us and it's my belief that a few years of uncertainty will turn good in the long run. The human race itself has always feared change but it's progression, and anyone who speaks of the decline in the NHS and such who associates it with brexit must've missed the last few years because it's been going downhill for a long time. The pound is fluctuating because in the midst of chaos is opportunity and the wealthy are privy to this. Dump stocks now and the general public will follow suit, they'll reinvest when its lowest because people don't want out of our Economy, it's lucrative. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
The European Union will have no choice but to deal with us either way, yes the pound may suffer but so will other currencies. The uk is a huge part of the German auto industry so their economy will take a hit and also they need us for the deals they get with China and the US. In my opinion we as a nation undervalue ourselves on the world stage, yes we will have to face a much larger EU but we will be able to secure deals regardless because worldwide there are businesses and economies that rely on us and it's my belief that a few years of uncertainty will turn good in the long run. The human race itself has always feared change but it's progression, and anyone who speaks of the decline in the NHS and such who associates it with brexit must've missed the last few years because it's been going downhill for a long time. The pound is fluctuating because in the midst of chaos is opportunity and the wealthy are privy to this. Dump stocks now and the general public will follow suit, they'll reinvest when its lowest because people don't want out of our Economy, it's lucrative."German autos do value the UK market - 2nd biggest at €25bn - only US is bigger! However just Google German car exports 2017 - you get the top 15 countries of which 8 are in the EU (single market & customs union ) - those 8 add up to €70bn - there's another 19 to add on - you do the maths! | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
The European Union will have no choice but to deal with us either way, yes the pound may suffer but so will other currencies. The uk is a huge part of the German auto industry so their economy will take a hit and also they need us for the deals they get with China and the US. In my opinion we as a nation undervalue ourselves on the world stage, yes we will have to face a much larger EU but we will be able to secure deals regardless because worldwide there are businesses and economies that rely on us and it's my belief that a few years of uncertainty will turn good in the long run. The human race itself has always feared change but it's progression, and anyone who speaks of the decline in the NHS and such who associates it with brexit must've missed the last few years because it's been going downhill for a long time. The pound is fluctuating because in the midst of chaos is opportunity and the wealthy are privy to this. Dump stocks now and the general public will follow suit, they'll reinvest when its lowest because people don't want out of our Economy, it's lucrative."Whilst it true that there is the option, the integrity of the EU will come into question if negotiation to provide a settlement which favours British interests. This would plunge the remaining states into crisis. The German Car Industry, no, every EU Industry are more than likely looking at alternative countries if you are talking about their supply chains. In terms of requiring deals from the US or China, the EU are perfectly capable of negotiating deals. They seem to have outwitted the UK in that sense with this agreement. With reference to it being good in a few years, how much chaos, violence and disintigration of the rule of law will the british people need to endure during those years? How can leaving a trading bloc which provides the UK with most of its business be considered progressive, postive change? Saying the NHS is in decline is true, when you consider the drivers behind the decline, unending austerity, and political idelogy taking precendent over practical reality. If the weathy are taking advantage of the economic chaos, then surely the conditions created for this economic chaos falls squarely in the hands of those supported and voted to leave. So in summary, the reprecussions to British Society are immense, it will not bring us closer, it will cause us to implode spectacularly and we as a society will never be the same again. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
The European Union will have no choice but to deal with us either way, yes the pound may suffer but so will other currencies. The uk is a huge part of the German auto industry so their economy will take a hit and also they need us for the deals they get with China and the US. In my opinion we as a nation undervalue ourselves on the world stage, yes we will have to face a much larger EU but we will be able to secure deals regardless because worldwide there are businesses and economies that rely on us and it's my belief that a few years of uncertainty will turn good in the long run. The human race itself has always feared change but it's progression, and anyone who speaks of the decline in the NHS and such who associates it with brexit must've missed the last few years because it's been going downhill for a long time. The pound is fluctuating because in the midst of chaos is opportunity and the wealthy are privy to this. Dump stocks now and the general public will follow suit, they'll reinvest when its lowest because people don't want out of our Economy, it's lucrative."While we are not a small part of their car industry, that is just a smallish part of their economy. And I’d guess luxury cars are price insensitive and so they won’t see major changes in volumes even with tarrifs. Their bigger risk is if demand in the uk drops because people are tightening their belts. Which means we’re feeling some bad brexit effects so if we think they’re worried, we should be more. I agree Eus negotiating position with US etc is weakened without us. But that’s not going to result in a better deal. That was only a strong card to play during Cameron’s negotiations. Not Mays. And if they are weaker without us, we are weaker without them (Germany at least) Finally, agree Nhs is a longer term issue. You would have thought it was purely brought on by east Europeans. Not systematic underinvestment. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR "When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them. Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play. We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems. The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime. A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity. A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips. A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative. External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed. In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
"You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating."The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence. What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route? Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change. Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2. Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context, “What have the EU done for us?” They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions Yes, but what have they really done for us? They have subsidised our farmers! Apart from the investment, the subsidies.. Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law.. Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security... And jobs through increased trade and business, Peace also. Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace. What has the EU reaally done for us? | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?"With our money With our money Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU It's run its course and the idiology is flawed | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?"how can you talk about security and peace etc. When you have already stated we are falling into it already, correct me if I'm wrong but we are currently still in the EU are we not? Ergo the societal collapse and such you speak of directly defies the point you are trying to make surely? And what's this about effective policing. Effectively policing what? I fail to comprehend how you can use words such as prosperity in the same sentence as "more poverty" it hardly seems a solid foundation for your point. | |||
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"Time for this to all stop and call another referendum. It has gone way above head Why another referendum?
Would you buy a house without having a survey done ? It’s called due diligence.
If the deal is bad or there is no deal you just don’t go blindly stumbling on.
We should not be tied by dogma often the best choice is to change your mind."And we should not remain in the EU just because it's going to be difficult to get out of... | |||
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"Time for this to all stop and call another referendum. It has gone way above head Why another referendum?
Would you buy a house without having a survey done ? It’s called due diligence.
If the deal is bad or there is no deal you just don’t go blindly stumbling on.
We should not be tied by dogma often the best choice is to change your mind.
And we should not remain in the EU just because it's going to be difficult to get out of..."heads I win tales you lose, that's democracy right? | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
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"Time for this to all stop and call another referendum. It has gone way above head Why another referendum?
Would you buy a house without having a survey done ? It’s called due diligence.
If the deal is bad or there is no deal you just don’t go blindly stumbling on.
We should not be tied by dogma often the best choice is to change your mind.
And we should not remain in the EU just because it's going to be difficult to get out of..."We should remain in the eu not because it's hard to leave but because leaving will be an epic episode of self harm for our nation | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? this will be moved to politics.... although since this affects all of us i don't think it should be.... anyway tow part answer.... 1)gove, mcveigh, mourdant and ledsome 2) i think they will have enough letters to have a potential vote of confidence vote tonight, but if they had the vote and she wins... she can't be challenged for another 12 months.... i think there are higher odds now of a 2nd referendum than there is a general election.... Agreed. I also hope so!its not a game .we don't want another referendum .We had a democratic vote .if people can't respect results then all referendums need doing away with . so you have to keep voting till the results go the way the elite want . where is the democracy in all that . this country needs a good shake .its pathetic . " We keep on voting in general elections though. Hoping that we'll get the right answer one day. Perhaps we should stop? Perhaps it pathetic and undemocratic to not continue to fight for what you believe in if there is one vote against you? Silly black people in the USA. What were they thinking? Silly brown people in India. Perhaps they should have stayed a British colony? Are Farage, Jonson, Rees-Mogg and Gove not "the elite"? Are the SAS and Olympic athletes not elite? Is the word "elite" being misused? Is voting undemocratic when you ask the same question more than once? | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?"I am merely pointing out has already happened there has been a direct correlation between these issues, which have culminated in the decision to leave the EU. I am not blaming I just see the connections that’s all if I am wrong then I would need solid proof that the course we are heading in is not going to let that happen, unfortunately I have not seen it yet which leads me to this bleak assessment of our current predicament. | |||
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Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us? how can you talk about security and peace etc. When you have already stated we are falling into it already, correct me if I'm wrong but we are currently still in the EU are we not? Ergo the societal collapse and such you speak of directly defies the point you are trying to make surely? And what's this about effective policing. Effectively policing what? I fail to comprehend how you can use words such as prosperity in the same sentence as "more poverty" it hardly seems a solid foundation for your point."This is the only logical conclusion the signs are there the outcome if predictable, many people far greater and learned than myself can see the ultimate picture of our future. It’s not fear, it’s reason based on fact | |||
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"The way things are going, I’m hoping to see a resurgence of UKIP. They would be the only party for a proper BREXIT, but should first get shot of those BNP types that embarrassed them before, and PUT NIGE IN CHARGE AGAIN!" He said on LBC he's done his time now & wouldn't go back. | |||
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"The way things are going, I’m hoping to see a resurgence of UKIP. They would be the only party for a proper BREXIT, but should first get shot of those BNP types that embarrassed them before, and PUT NIGE IN CHARGE AGAIN! He said on LBC he's done his time now & wouldn't go back." Nigel Farage speaking in the Sun on Sunday today says he will be forced to make a return to frontline politics unless Theresa May drops her "Brexit Betrayal" plan. He said he will be unable to sit on the sidelines if Theresa May drives through her "half-baked" plan. He told the Sun on Sunday "if I have to step back into the fray and do it all again, I shall". He says he is becoming ever more frustrated with the current situation and is weighing up his options - either a return to run ukip or starting a new Brexit party. | |||
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"The way things are going, I’m hoping to see a resurgence of UKIP. They would be the only party for a proper BREXIT, but should first get shot of those BNP types that embarrassed them before, and PUT NIGE IN CHARGE AGAIN! He said on LBC he's done his time now & wouldn't go back. Nigel Farage speaking in the Sun on Sunday today says he will be forced to make a return to frontline politics unless Theresa May drops her "Brexit Betrayal" plan. He said he will be unable to sit on the sidelines if Theresa May drives through her "half-baked" plan. He told the Sun on Sunday "if I have to step back into the fray and do it all again, I shall". He says he is becoming ever more frustrated with the current situation and is weighing up his options - either a return to run ukip or starting a new Brexit party. " Changed his mind again then lol | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?"If you don't know, maybe take that bucket of your head and see what's in front of you? | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?
If you don't know, maybe take that bucket of your head and see what's in front of you? "I've never had a bucket on my head but I've looked in front of me and what I see is that most criminals are white, male and either non religious or notionally Christian. Is that what you meant? | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us? how can you talk about security and peace etc. When you have already stated we are falling into it already, correct me if I'm wrong but we are currently still in the EU are we not? Ergo the societal collapse and such you speak of directly defies the point you are trying to make surely? And what's this about effective policing. Effectively policing what? I fail to comprehend how you can use words such as prosperity in the same sentence as "more poverty" it hardly seems a solid foundation for your point.
This is the only logical conclusion the signs are there the outcome if predictable, many people far greater and learned than myself can see the ultimate picture of our future.
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"The way things are going, I’m hoping to see a resurgence of UKIP. They would be the only party for a proper BREXIT, but should first get shot of those BNP types that embarrassed them before, and PUT NIGE IN CHARGE AGAIN! He said on LBC he's done his time now & wouldn't go back. Nigel Farage speaking in the Sun on Sunday today says he will be forced to make a return to frontline politics unless Theresa May drops her "Brexit Betrayal" plan. He said he will be unable to sit on the sidelines if Theresa May drives through her "half-baked" plan. He told the Sun on Sunday "if I have to step back into the fray and do it all again, I shall". He says he is becoming ever more frustrated with the current situation and is weighing up his options - either a return to run ukip or starting a new Brexit party. " I wonder who would bank roll him this time ? I suspect Banks isn’t likely to put his hand in his pocket .... | |||
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"Dominic Raab - Brexit Secretary resigns over the negotiations he was responsible for presiding over. Irony? What? Yep, like Davis resigning over the negotiations he was responsible for. And Cameron resigning over the referendum he was responsible for. -Matt" Ha ha It was Cameron so surprised when the referendum result was leave. He called the referendum to get votes back from UKIP a party set up to take the UK out of Europe. Baldrick could have worked that one out. | |||
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"The way things are going, I’m hoping to see a resurgence of UKIP. They would be the only party for a proper BREXIT, but should first get shot of those BNP types that embarrassed them before, and PUT NIGE IN CHARGE AGAIN! BNP and UKIP. We’re talking an extremely fine line between these two. " That is like saying there is a very “fine line” between Blair’s New Labour and Hatton’s Militant Group. Simply put, one is a British Nationalist party, which has socialist policies. The other is UK Independence Party, with right wing Conservative policies. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?
If you don't know, maybe take that bucket of your head and see what's in front of you?
I've never had a bucket on my head but I've looked in front of me and what I see is that most criminals are white, male and either non religious or notionally Christian. Is that what you meant?
"As things stand white people are the majority in this country, with Asians making up around 5% of the population. Narrow that down to just Pakistani males and it must be less than 1%. If that is somewhere around 600,000, then you are far more likely to be a paedophile if you are a Pakistani male... | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?
If you don't know, maybe take that bucket of your head and see what's in front of you?
I've never had a bucket on my head but I've looked in front of me and what I see is that most criminals are white, male and either non religious or notionally Christian. Is that what you meant?
As things stand white people are the majority in this country, with Asians making up around 5% of the population. Narrow that down to just Pakistani males and it must be less than 1%. If that is somewhere around 600,000, then you are far more likely to be a paedophile if you are a Pakistani male..."isn't that a bit like me saying you are more likely to be a mass murderer if you are a white male..... we should all be a lot more scared you you folk........ | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?
If you don't know, maybe take that bucket of your head and see what's in front of you?
I've never had a bucket on my head but I've looked in front of me and what I see is that most criminals are white, male and either non religious or notionally Christian. Is that what you meant?
As things stand white people are the majority in this country, with Asians making up around 5% of the population. Narrow that down to just Pakistani males and it must be less than 1%. If that is somewhere around 600,000, then you are far more likely to be a paedophile if you are a Pakistani male..."1) not sure what this has to do with the Eu. Directly or indirectly. 2) is this based on gut feel or evidence? I know there are a few different bits of analysis out there. Most focus on being part of sex rings (as opposed to lone wolves). Most call out lack of detailed or credible data to extrapolate off. Eg what defining what is a sex crime and determining race of defendant. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?
If you don't know, maybe take that bucket of your head and see what's in front of you?
I've never had a bucket on my head but I've looked in front of me and what I see is that most criminals are white, male and either non religious or notionally Christian. Is that what you meant?
As things stand white people are the majority in this country, with Asians making up around 5% of the population. Narrow that down to just Pakistani males and it must be less than 1%. If that is somewhere around 600,000, then you are far more likely to be a paedophile if you are a Pakistani male...
isn't that a bit like me saying you are more likely to be a mass murderer if you are a white male.....
we should all be a lot more scared you you folk........"You have a valid point, I think the point others are trying to make is that statistically speaking certain races are responsible for a higher percentage of certain crimes. However, they haven't researched those statistics. And more so they're only focusing on the negatives of each race as oppose to the perks and the fact that the thread shouldn't even be about Immigration. Many countries outside of the EU have diversity within their country. Only difference being it's a little harder to obtain visa's which if anything just means you go get a skill that will benefit the country you wish to live or work in. Given that a decent percentage of immigrants have said skills which is why they 'take our jobs' (better qualified or better work ethic). | |||
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"I think TM will call a free vote on it so if I was you and oppose or support the deal lobby your MP and tell them that they can forget your vote at the next election if they don't support your view. Give the buggers something to think about. By doing this she makes it a vote of conscience as to whether MPs fancy a good old pile of chaos and get the blame for it at the ballot box or we get some sort of less chaotic withdrawl from the EU." nah... much more scared of people like peacehaven.... isn't he more likely to be your atypical mass murderer!!
or people of his ilk.... i don't think centy is that far behind him.....
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?
If you don't know, maybe take that bucket of your head and see what's in front of you?
I've never had a bucket on my head but I've looked in front of me and what I see is that most criminals are white, male and either non religious or notionally Christian. Is that what you meant?
As things stand white people are the majority in this country, with Asians making up around 5% of the population. Narrow that down to just Pakistani males and it must be less than 1%. If that is somewhere around 600,000, then you are far more likely to be a paedophile if you are a Pakistani male...
1) not sure what this has to do with the Eu. Directly or indirectly.
2) is this based on gut feel or evidence? I know there are a few different bits of analysis out there. Most focus on being part of sex rings (as opposed to lone wolves). Most call out lack of detailed or credible data to extrapolate off.
Eg what defining what is a sex crime and determining race of defendant. "To answer your question I would refer to the post I was replying to. Which is directly above my own. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?
If you don't know, maybe take that bucket of your head and see what's in front of you?
I've never had a bucket on my head but I've looked in front of me and what I see is that most criminals are white, male and either non religious or notionally Christian. Is that what you meant?
As things stand white people are the majority in this country, with Asians making up around 5% of the population. Narrow that down to just Pakistani males and it must be less than 1%. If that is somewhere around 600,000, then you are far more likely to be a paedophile if you are a Pakistani male...
1) not sure what this has to do with the Eu. Directly or indirectly.
2) is this based on gut feel or evidence? I know there are a few different bits of analysis out there. Most focus on being part of sex rings (as opposed to lone wolves). Most call out lack of detailed or credible data to extrapolate off.
Eg what defining what is a sex crime and determining race of defendant.
To answer your question I would refer to the post I was replying to. Which is directly above my own. "The convo seemed to be about eu and crime. Even if it was wider, you’ve still focused on one crime. And I still would like to know if you base this claim on fact, or feel. | |||
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"I think TM will call a free vote on it so if I was you and oppose or support the deal lobby your MP and tell them that they can forget your vote at the next election if they don't support your view. Give the buggers something to think about. By doing this she makes it a vote of conscience as to whether MPs fancy a good old pile of chaos and get the blame for it at the ballot box or we get some sort of less chaotic withdrawl from the EU. nah... much more scared of people like peacehaven.... isn't he more likely to be your atypical mass murderer!!
or people of his ilk.... i don't think centy is that far behind him.....
but on your "most likely to be a mass murderer" list...... i think they are your standout candidates!.... "Really have no idea why you feel the need to bring me into this Fabio, as I've not been involved in this discussion. However seeing as you couldn't resist having a dig at me I'll return the favour. Aren't you statisticslly more likely to be carrying a knife around as a black person? Word of advice put the knife back in the kitchen draw before you go out, there's a good lad. | |||
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" Really have no idea why you feel the need to bring me into this Fabio, as I've not been involved in this discussion. However seeing as you couldn't resist having a dig at me I'll return the favour. Aren't you statisticslly more likely to be carrying a knife around as a black person? Word of advice put the knife back in the kitchen draw before you go out, there's a good lad. "sorry dude, too busy listening to the 25th anniversary edition of wu-tang clan's album 36 chambers to give two......
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" Really have no idea why you feel the need to bring me into this Fabio, as I've not been involved in this discussion. However seeing as you couldn't resist having a dig at me I'll return the favour. Aren't you statisticslly more likely to be carrying a knife around as a black person? Word of advice put the knife back in the kitchen draw before you go out, there's a good lad. "A dig? You think mocking someone for their political beliefs and mocking them for their skin colour are comparable? Unworthy and vile. | |||
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" Really have no idea why you feel the need to bring me into this Fabio, as I've not been involved in this discussion. However seeing as you couldn't resist having a dig at me I'll return the favour. Aren't you statisticslly more likely to be carrying a knife around as a black person? Word of advice put the knife back in the kitchen draw before you go out, there's a good lad.
A dig?
You think mocking someone for their political beliefs and mocking them for their skin colour are comparable?
Unworthy and vile.
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"I think TM will call a free vote on it so if I was you and oppose or support the deal lobby your MP and tell them that they can forget your vote at the next election if they don't support your view. Give the buggers something to think about. By doing this she makes it a vote of conscience as to whether MPs fancy a good old pile of chaos and get the blame for it at the ballot box or we get some sort of less chaotic withdrawl from the EU. nah... much more scared of people like peacehaven.... isn't he more likely to be your atypical mass murderer!!
or people of his ilk.... i don't think centy is that far behind him.....
but on your "most likely to be a mass murderer" list...... i think they are your standout candidates!....
Really have no idea why you feel the need to bring me into this Fabio, as I've not been involved in this discussion. However seeing as you couldn't resist having a dig at me I'll return the favour. Aren't you statisticslly more likely to be carrying a knife around as a black person? Word of advice put the knife back in the kitchen draw before you go out, there's a good lad. "If you wanted to be technical and 'statistical' it's more to do with the area one grows up in that dictates their likelihood to be carrying weapons and such not the colour of their skin. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?
If you don't know, maybe take that bucket of your head and see what's in front of you?
I've never had a bucket on my head but I've looked in front of me and what I see is that most criminals are white, male and either non religious or notionally Christian. Is that what you meant?
As things stand white people are the majority in this country, with Asians making up around 5% of the population. Narrow that down to just Pakistani males and it must be less than 1%. If that is somewhere around 600,000, then you are far more likely to be a paedophile if you are a Pakistani male...
1) not sure what this has to do with the Eu. Directly or indirectly.
2) is this based on gut feel or evidence? I know there are a few different bits of analysis out there. Most focus on being part of sex rings (as opposed to lone wolves). Most call out lack of detailed or credible data to extrapolate off.
Eg what defining what is a sex crime and determining race of defendant.
To answer your question I would refer to the post I was replying to. Which is directly above my own.
The convo seemed to be about eu and crime. Even if it was wider, you’ve still focused on one crime. And I still would like to know if you base this claim on fact, or feel. "Yes I have focussed on one crime in particular, because to my mind it is the very worst. As for the claims I made, I was attempting to show that although more of the crimes are committed by white makes, the percentage of such crimes committed by Pakistani males is much higher here pro rata. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck
Are you suggesting a comparison between the Uk now and the Weimar Republic? We might have to endure a few more years of shit before the rise of the new right but I can see your point
Based on analysis, exiting the EU has long term consequences, the rule of law has already started the steady decline into chaos. Future peace, stability and prosperity are now in jeopardy.
The past two years have given insight into what going it alone will bring. More chaos, poverty, and violence.
I would rather live in peaceful, stable, and prosperous nation. This exit will not deliver that.
when you say you would rather live in peace what exactly do u expect to happen when w leave WAR
When major societal upheavals occur, the inevitable outcome is civil unrest. Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
Why many of us would say that will never happen in our country, we cannot discount the various factors and interests which are currently in play.
We have the rise of nationalist and populist movements which provides the promise of easy solutions to difficult problems.
The breakdown of effective policing to combat domestic threats and crime.
A growing underclass, who are affected by years of austerity.
A weak minority goverment who clings to power by its fingertips.
A weak opposition who’s efforts go largely unnoticed due to their inability to provide a positive alternative.
External nations who would want to see Britain falter and fail, as it would give them the platform to export their tyranny unopposed.
In short, the precipice is far more closer now, the risk of falling into the abyss of societal collapse is greater now then ever.
You say lessons of the past. It would've been easier to stay out of WWII but the Germans would've screwed us in the end and in the EU they still do. The easiest route is often the one you don't want to take in the long run, and you saying all this is "far more closer now" is a perfect representation of how being in there does absolutely nothing to prevent it as your statement is suggestive it's been going there for a while anyway but Brexit is now the reason for it? That's scapegoating.
The notion that the EU and Germany between 39-45 are the same entity is false equivalence.
What determines that the proposed route we are facing is really the easy route?
Surely the hardest route would have been the UK leading the debate within the EU as a member and being a force of change.
Leaving could be considered as quitting, giving up. Running away from the real decisions. Fixing the underlying issues. Improving on the peace and stability which we have all enjoyed since WW2.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian gives the best scene in terms of something which is hated but is a neccessity. Let’s modernise it in this context,
“What have the EU done for us?”
They have provided monetary investment in our communities and institutions
Yes, but what have they really done for us?
They have subsidised our farmers!
Apart from the investment, the subsidies..
Don’t forget security by sharing data on criminals, and preventing crime and enforcing the rule of law..
Ok, ok, apart from the investment, the subsidies, security...
And jobs through increased trade and business,
Peace also.
Ok,ok,ok apart from the investment, the subsidies, security, jobs through trade and peace.
What has the EU reaally done for us?
With our money
With our money
Crime on the up, interesting to see what colour and or religion they are when they're identified
Obstructed in the main with rules and regs for all when hardly any trade with the EU
It's run its course and the idiology is flawed
So what are you trying to imply about colour and religion? and wtf have they got to do with the EU?
If you don't know, maybe take that bucket of your head and see what's in front of you?
I've never had a bucket on my head but I've looked in front of me and what I see is that most criminals are white, male and either non religious or notionally Christian. Is that what you meant?
As things stand white people are the majority in this country, with Asians making up around 5% of the population. Narrow that down to just Pakistani males and it must be less than 1%. If that is somewhere around 600,000, then you are far more likely to be a paedophile if you are a Pakistani male...
1) not sure what this has to do with the Eu. Directly or indirectly.
2) is this based on gut feel or evidence? I know there are a few different bits of analysis out there. Most focus on being part of sex rings (as opposed to lone wolves). Most call out lack of detailed or credible data to extrapolate off.
Eg what defining what is a sex crime and determining race of defendant.
To answer your question I would refer to the post I was replying to. Which is directly above my own.
The convo seemed to be about eu and crime. Even if it was wider, you’ve still focused on one crime. And I still would like to know if you base this claim on fact, or feel.
Yes I have focussed on one crime in particular, because to my mind it is the very worst. As for the claims I made, I was attempting to show that although more of the crimes are committed by white makes, the percentage of such crimes committed by Pakistani males is much higher here pro rata. "I personally a lot of crimes that are committed and more often localised to a specific nationality or religion comes down to our own methods of avoiding this as oppose to the EU. To elaborate on this it's how relaxed the laws are when it comes to religion which in my mind ( evidently quite a global opinion going off the laws of other nations too) that the laws of said country override what is or is not acceptable in a religion that has not been prominent in that country during the law making process. For example; Dubai is very strict in its laws and as outsiders we are expected to abide by the laws set by their government for the duration of our time there and by boarding that flight you are agreeing to uphold their laws. Secondly it is down to our diversity or lack of it in a more localised area. Rather than evenly integrating all the different nationalities you often find that those who are of the lowest social standing all end up bunched together and segregated if you will. This forms areas that are predominantly one nationality meaning that if knife crime for example is rife in their home country it becomes incredibly difficult for the youths in that area to grow and develop without that influence. The likelihood of surviving if you aren't affiliated in some way to some form of gang is slim. Children are malleable and easy to control and forcing them into areas where there's no real way out other than to fit in is creating a cycle of criminality. Self preservation is one of the strongest primal instincts. | |||
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" And how does saying two people might be the next serial killers count as 'mocking' political beliefs? There was no need for it at all" um... "someone" made an allegation in a EU thread (completely unrelated) that Paedophiles were more likely to be pakistani men...again completely out of nowhere in the context of the thread..... so i pointed out that mass murderers were more likely to be white men!!! did i say anything that was incorrect? i didn't accuse any person of being one...... i pointed out that if we were going to be scared of anyone on here would it statistically be most likely to be white men...... I wouldn't never have brought it up if "someone" else had never tried to score points of an unrelated topic...... | |||
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" And how does saying two people might be the next serial killers count as 'mocking' political beliefs? There was no need for it at all um... "someone" made an allegation in a EU thread (completely unrelated) that Paedophiles were more likely to be pakistani men...again completely out of nowhere in the context of the thread..... so i pointed out that mass murderers were more likely to be white men!!! did i say anything that was incorrect? i didn't accuse any person of being one...... i pointed out that if we were going to be scared of anyone on here would it statistically be most likely to be white men...... I wouldn't never have brought it up if "someone" else had never tried to score points of an unrelated topic...... " To be honest and Frank; it wasn't one of your better posts. Sorry. | |||
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" And how does saying two people might be the next serial killers count as 'mocking' political beliefs? There was no need for it at all um... "someone" made an allegation in a EU thread (completely unrelated) that Paedophiles were more likely to be pakistani men...again completely out of nowhere in the context of the thread..... so i pointed out that mass murderers were more likely to be white men!!! did i say anything that was incorrect? i didn't accuse any person of being one...... i pointed out that if we were going to be scared of anyone on here would it statistically be most likely to be white men...... I wouldn't never have brought it up if "someone" else had never tried to score points of an unrelated topic...... " People commit the gross fallacy of Paedo gangs are mostly Pakistani/Muslim men Ergo All Pakistani/muslim men are paedos You have to be seriously thick or prejudiced to believe this. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck Posted this a few weeks back! And I predicted the failure of the leadership challenge. The pound falling, stockpiling crisis, the EU not budging on the deal, Umm what else is going to happen in this list before we realise that we need a better solution to the current deal on the table. " Bravo well done - as you were spot on before - would love to know what your thoughts are on the end game. | |||
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"First Junior Northern Ireland Secretary, Shailesh Vara resigned, shortly followed by Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab. Who will be next, and how long before the Conservatives begin the process of selecting a new leader? The rules are quite clear 48 tory MP’s must write to the chairman of the 1922 commitee, which will trigger a vote of no confidence in TM. This would lead to a leadership challenge. But with 150 tory MP’s supporting May, it will not be not be enough to keep her out of the top job. It will probably go down to the agreement being voted down in the house of commons. It is doubful that the EU would want to renegotiate the agreement. The government would have seek alliances with other parties to obtain the majority it needs to get the agreement through. If that cannot happen, then it will be no deal. In the four months before exit the UK government will be furiously stockpiling food and medicine and preparing for our exit. Northern Ireland will be turmoil, unionists will start the process of blocking the border and get checkpoints sorted. Nationalists will object, this will cause violence on the streets of northern Ireland. As we prepare, rationing will be introduced to prevent panic buying and stockpiling of goods. The pound will slip to historical lows, which will trigger a market crash. As major businesses leave, the job market will shrink and unemployment will rise. Due to a weak pound, fuel prices will increase steeply. As no travel arrangment is not in place, visas will be required to travel in the EU. Custom checks between the UK and EU will be enforced, meaning goods coming in or out will be subject to delays. As we have no deal, we revert to WTO tarriffs, which coupled with a weaker pound will lead to hyperinflation on goods. To cool this interest rates will need to be increased, causing an increase in costs, particularly in mortgage repayments. Due to the austerity cuts, joblessness and increase in food prices, crime we increase substantially. The NHS will be understaffed, whilst government borrowing has increased, jobs cannot be filled by foreign nationals, due to stringent visa restrictions. The strain on health services will increase, patient care will nosedive. With deaths increasing. TM will continue to be PM the government, will unite behind her because of the No Deal exit, However it is too late, trade deals which were promised require longer negotiations before being accepted. Meanwhile, standards of living begin to fall, protests occur, which turn violent, requiring brutal suppression by UK secuirty forces. Populist movements become emboldened, promising stability, by blaming troubles on minorities and agitators, and the EU. This would lead to years of uncertainty, where ultimately Far Right movement will come into power. So there you have it. No new leader, no leadership challenge, we are stuck Posted this a few weeks back! And I predicted the failure of the leadership challenge. The pound falling, stockpiling crisis, the EU not budging on the deal, Umm what else is going to happen in this list before we realise that we need a better solution to the current deal on the table. " It’s still true now nothing has changed, her Deal is dead, no viable Plan B, the shape of the future is unalterable. | |||
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