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"Republicans look like making great gains in the Senate so good for the supreme court Dems look like they are going to win the house so good call _abio. It was a strange night after fox news called the house for dems while polls still open. All my bets cash bets came through I had - Senate REP Josh Hawley Rick Scott Desantis Cruz Won : £600 I had a bet on house so lost £100. Still waiting on - Mcsally Morrisey I didn't bet on James but looks like had a great night and a great guy. Not a bad night all in all, tomorrow off so few drinks " just out of interest did they pay out on their bets... just because you may have ended up getting away with one... in florida governors race because the difference between DeSantis and Gillum is 0.4%..... there looks as if there is going to be an automatic recount, once they have counted them all.... in the Florida senate rate... because the Difference between Scott and Nelson is 0.17%.... it looks as if there is going to end up being a recount done by hand!..... the problem at the moment is that absentee ballots haven't been counted yet, and in Broward county (the bit north of miami and including the city of fort lauderdale) it looks as if 50,000 people voted less in the senate contest than the governors contest.... the issue is that part of the state... stauchly democratic!!! lawsuits now being filed all over the place.... and funny enough the republicans are fighting to not have those votes being counted... also looks like there is going to be a recount in georgia, as kemp won the election (he is on 50.2 % of the vote at the moment) because there were 3 parties in the race, he needs to get 50% plus 1 vote to win, or there will be a run off election)..... there are about 70,000 uncounted absentee ballots, and again the Republicans are fighting in court to not count those vote and in arizona, where it looked like mcsally would win on election night with her lead.... sinema now has a lead! and it looks like the votes that still need to be counted look like they are coming from her old congressional district..... and lets not even talk about the 8 californian congressional races that have yet to be called..... 7 look like they will go democratic, 1 republican! if the dems do get the result changed in florida and win arizona.... it means the republican will have only gained 1 senate seat on election,.... will still have 4 seat majority (52 to 48), but with what is potentially on the slate in 2020 senate elections (iowa, colorado, susan collins in maine to name 3 which are red at the moment but could flip blue) it makes for a huge oppotunity to regain the senate.... in which case i wonder it they do persuade beto to have another shot at the other texas seat against john cornyn... | |||
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"so trump had both houses before the midterms ... and now he only has one .... so that is irrefutably the polar opposite of winning then .... glad that's cleared up now" In Trumptown, losing is the new winning | |||
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"Sad thing is whatever happens it was a bit of a win,win night for trump , hes retained a senate majority making impeachment nigh on impossible and now with dems having the house , if it goes well for the next two years its despite the dems blocking himon most things, if things go tits up its because the dems blocked his ddcisions. Probable second term looming" Probable second term looming? More like a dead cert for a second term. Something like only 3 Presidents over the last 100 years have increased their Senate seats during mid terms, Donald Trump now being the 4th. Trump is making history here and continues to defy the odds. The Dems are utterly clueless about how to combat his style of politics and the Democrats are staring another huge defeat in the face in 2020. | |||
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"Sad thing is whatever happens it was a bit of a win,win night for trump , hes retained a senate majority making impeachment nigh on impossible and now with dems having the house , if it goes well for the next two years its despite the dems blocking himon most things, if things go tits up its because the dems blocked his ddcisions. Probable second term looming Probable second term looming? More like a dead cert for a second term. Something like only 3 Presidents over the last 100 years have increased their Senate seats during mid terms, Donald Trump now being the 4th. Trump is making history here and continues to defy the odds. The Dems are utterly clueless about how to combat his style of politics and the Democrats are staring another huge defeat in the face in 2020. " yeah..... one problem with that spiel centy.... in places he needs to win and retain, the democrats gave the republicans a beating pennsylvania, michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota and iowa to name 5..... add arizona in there as well and you have 6! all it would take is for trump to lose pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin for example (which he won be a grand total of 78,000 votes in total) and the whitehouse flips from red to blue...... the good thing about the next election is that there are various ways the dems can win without it having to go thru Florida or ohio... those would be a bonus...... florida, ohio, north carolina, for example... | |||
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"Sad thing is whatever happens it was a bit of a win,win night for trump , hes retained a senate majority making impeachment nigh on impossible and now with dems having the house , if it goes well for the next two years its despite the dems blocking himon most things, if things go tits up its because the dems blocked his ddcisions. Probable second term looming Probable second term looming? More like a dead cert for a second term. Something like only 3 Presidents over the last 100 years have increased their Senate seats during mid terms, Donald Trump now being the 4th. Trump is making history here and continues to defy the odds. The Dems are utterly clueless about how to combat his style of politics and the Democrats are staring another huge defeat in the face in 2020. " Except no. The map for the senate was always heavily tilted in the Republicans favour because the Dems were defending 10 seats in Republican states. If the Republicans had a good midterm they wouldnt have lost the house so heavily and would have gotten most of those 10 seats. As it is Trump may not add any Senate seats or at best 2. But you dont have to take my word for it. After Trumps inauguration the Republicans openly predicted that they would have a filibuster proof 60 seats in the Senate such was the incredibly favourable map they had. But they dont. And Trump will need to swing the electorate by about 7% to win in 2020, pretty hard when his disapproval rating is 52%. | |||
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"Sad thing is whatever happens it was a bit of a win,win night for trump , hes retained a senate majority making impeachment nigh on impossible and now with dems having the house , if it goes well for the next two years its despite the dems blocking himon most things, if things go tits up its because the dems blocked his ddcisions. Probable second term looming Probable second term looming? More like a dead cert for a second term. Something like only 3 Presidents over the last 100 years have increased their Senate seats during mid terms, Donald Trump now being the 4th. Trump is making history here and continues to defy the odds. The Dems are utterly clueless about how to combat his style of politics and the Democrats are staring another huge defeat in the face in 2020. Except no. The map for the senate was always heavily tilted in the Republicans favour because the Dems were defending 10 seats in Republican states. If the Republicans had a good midterm they wouldnt have lost the house so heavily and would have gotten most of those 10 seats. As it is Trump may not add any Senate seats or at best 2. But you dont have to take my word for it. After Trumps inauguration the Republicans openly predicted that they would have a filibuster proof 60 seats in the Senate such was the incredibly favourable map they had. But they dont. And Trump will need to swing the electorate by about 7% to win in 2020, pretty hard when his disapproval rating is 52%." Lost the House so heavily??? Trumps losses in the House were miniscule compared to the losses previous Presidents like Clinton and Obama suffered! Obama had much bigger losses in the House than Trump (almost double) and still went on to win a second term. On that basis the numbers look favourable for Trump in 2020. As for your disapproval rating stat of 52% I wouldn't pay too much attention to that, it's about as reliable as CNN's polls were for the mid terms and they were way off!!! | |||
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"Sad thing is whatever happens it was a bit of a win,win night for trump , hes retained a senate majority making impeachment nigh on impossible and now with dems having the house , if it goes well for the next two years its despite the dems blocking himon most things, if things go tits up its because the dems blocked his ddcisions. Probable second term looming Probable second term looming? More like a dead cert for a second term. Something like only 3 Presidents over the last 100 years have increased their Senate seats during mid terms, Donald Trump now being the 4th. Trump is making history here and continues to defy the odds. The Dems are utterly clueless about how to combat his style of politics and the Democrats are staring another huge defeat in the face in 2020. Except no. The map for the senate was always heavily tilted in the Republicans favour because the Dems were defending 10 seats in Republican states. If the Republicans had a good midterm they wouldnt have lost the house so heavily and would have gotten most of those 10 seats. As it is Trump may not add any Senate seats or at best 2. But you dont have to take my word for it. After Trumps inauguration the Republicans openly predicted that they would have a filibuster proof 60 seats in the Senate such was the incredibly favourable map they had. But they dont. And Trump will need to swing the electorate by about 7% to win in 2020, pretty hard when his disapproval rating is 52%. Lost the House so heavily??? Trumps losses in the House were miniscule compared to the losses previous Presidents like Clinton and Obama suffered! Obama had much bigger losses in the House than Trump (almost double) and still went on to win a second term. On that basis the numbers look favourable for Trump in 2020. As for your disapproval rating stat of 52% I wouldn't pay too much attention to that, it's about as reliable as CNN's polls were for the mid terms and they were way off!!! " if you are going to pedal that line again... let me trott out the reply i gave last time that you never answered.... sort of....... the numbers also look great because after the 2010 midterms the republicans did a fantastic job of redrawing the congressional districts with the 2010 census..... (you may have heard of the term "gerrymandering") to give republicans an inherant advantage.... so the way the lines are draw at the moment, the democrats need an inherant vote advantage of plus 7ish to get close to having even seats (this time the vote was close to plus 8-9...) this is why these midterms are important... especially when it came to governors races with the next census coming in 2020... these governors head up the committees to redraw the districts, or have veto power over them.... (or in the case of michigan for example, they actually voted to have an independent commission redraw them) case in point.... pensylvania, they redrew their districts for this election (the pennsylvania supreme court wrote them after they threw out the pennsylvania republican parties version for excess gerrymandering) the supreme court result, they redrew the lines so there would be 10 republican leaning district and 8 democratic leaning districts the actual result... went from 12-6 republicans with their draw map... to 9-9 under the redrawn maps.... thats why the redrawn maps may be the 2nd biggest thing to come out of this election..... if you want a fair comparison of what has happened so far... in the 8 yrs of obama, at national and state level the democrats lost about 1,000 members of nation and state legistlatures.... in the 2 yrs of trump.... the republicans have lost about 450 " | |||
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"so if he does lose the arizona senate race (which is looking probable) and the Florida senate race (which is looking possible) then his senate gain on the night is actually +1 so it would be 52-48, and in 2020.. the republicans will have to play defense in Colorado, and Iowa, and North Carolina, and Maine.....and if the 2018 results were replicated in 2020 (which is what you are crowing about) the swing from republican to Democrats in all those states would actually see the dems win all those races the other arizona seat is up as well... the only place where the democrats would be defending where trump won before is alabama, thats why i am fascinated to see what the dems and beto decide what to do? do they try and persuade him to run in the 2020 senate race against the other texas rep, john cornyn.... do they try and presuade stacy abrhams if she loses in the georgia govenors race to run in the 2020 senate race against david perdue. " Who's your pick for the Dems in 2020, Im leaning towards Kamala Harris. Progressive, former prosecutor and looks very capable. | |||
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" Who's your pick for the Dems in 2020, Im leaning towards Kamala Harris. Progressive, former prosecutor and looks very capable." can i not have a one week victory lap for 2018 yet please!!!! 
stop making me think about the 2020 dem race already... let me basked in the glory that trump doesn't get to do everything he wants anymore!!!! 
no bloody wall! no butching of the ACA!
I don't even want to hear about the "I" word.... leave that to mueller to sort out when don jr and jared go to jail (whilst the pubs have the senate its a non starter!) and do it in a way where they are prosecuted by a state rather than federally so "daddy" can't pardon them!
can i see who is in the first debate first before deciding, you see warren, harris and booker all sniffing... gilbrand was on colbert last night giving her best "i will think about it and not decided yet" speech....
so as for whose running in 2020.. i am going to take the "centy" approach... la la la i'm not listening!!!
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"Sad thing is whatever happens it was a bit of a win,win night for trump , hes retained a senate majority making impeachment nigh on impossible and now with dems having the house , if it goes well for the next two years its despite the dems blocking himon most things, if things go tits up its because the dems blocked his ddcisions. Probable second term looming Probable second term looming? More like a dead cert for a second term. Something like only 3 Presidents over the last 100 years have increased their Senate seats during mid terms, Donald Trump now being the 4th. Trump is making history here and continues to defy the odds. The Dems are utterly clueless about how to combat his style of politics and the Democrats are staring another huge defeat in the face in 2020. Except no. The map for the senate was always heavily tilted in the Republicans favour because the Dems were defending 10 seats in Republican states. If the Republicans had a good midterm they wouldnt have lost the house so heavily and would have gotten most of those 10 seats. As it is Trump may not add any Senate seats or at best 2. But you dont have to take my word for it. After Trumps inauguration the Republicans openly predicted that they would have a filibuster proof 60 seats in the Senate such was the incredibly favourable map they had. But they dont. And Trump will need to swing the electorate by about 7% to win in 2020, pretty hard when his disapproval rating is 52%. Lost the House so heavily??? Trumps losses in the House were miniscule compared to the losses previous Presidents like Clinton and Obama suffered! Obama had much bigger losses in the House than Trump (almost double) and still went on to win a second term. On that basis the numbers look favourable for Trump in 2020. As for your disapproval rating stat of 52% I wouldn't pay too much attention to that, it's about as reliable as CNN's polls were for the mid terms and they were way off!!! " I hope you are right Geeze, as I’m no expert on US politics. One thing I do know is that Trump gives them hope, and after the crap they were dished up by Obama et al, they really need some hope. | |||
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" I hope you are right Geeze, as I’m no expert on US politics. One thing I do know is that Trump gives them hope, and after the crap they were dished up by Obama et al, they really need some hope." Damn that Obama and his economic recovery that was faster and better than the Tory led one in Britain. And he got 12.2 million people healthcare that didnt have it before. How dare he provide jobs and healthcare for families!!!!! What we want is more tax cuts for billionaires!!!! | |||
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" Lost the House so heavily??? Trumps losses in the House were miniscule compared to the losses previous Presidents like Clinton and Obama suffered! Obama had much bigger losses in the House than Trump (almost double) and still went on to win a second term. On that basis the numbers look favourable for Trump in 2020. As for your disapproval rating stat of 52% I wouldn't pay too much attention to that, it's about as reliable as CNN's polls were for the mid terms and they were way off!!! " just wanted to go back to this post made by centy.... just to see what spin it was.... so..... quick question... since all 435 seats in congress were up for election... how many of those seats do you think, nationwide, flipped from the dems to the republicans...... the answer is 3.... three!!! so yey.... lets get out the bunting!  | |||
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