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"Who agrees that we should just stop this lunacy right here and right now and avoid further humiliation of our country and its so called “Leaders”? Should we instead just have a good, really fucking hard Brexit - accept the huge loss of status in the world, chaos at our borders and mayhem in the economy? What kind of Brexit would it be if a few million of the ordinary riff raff in society didn’t lose their jobs and suffer great hardship? What would a victory feel like without casualties? Make the oiks, riffraff’s, chavs and plebs really suffer the consequences of their actions and praise Rees Mogg, Farage, Johnson and the rest for their successful demolition of our great country. "Why don't you stick your head in the hot tub and put it on full temperature, it will put you out of your misery and give us all a break!!Lol  | |||
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"Who agrees that we should just stop this lunacy right here and right now and avoid further humiliation of our country and its so called “Leaders”? Should we instead just have a good, really fucking hard Brexit - accept the huge loss of status in the world, chaos at our borders and mayhem in the economy? What kind of Brexit would it be if a few million of the ordinary riff raff in society didn’t lose their jobs and suffer great hardship? What would a victory feel like without casualties? Make the oiks, riffraff’s, chavs and plebs really suffer the consequences of their actions and praise Rees Mogg, Farage, Johnson and the rest for their successful demolition of our great country.
Why don't you stick your head in the hot tub and put it on full temperature, it will put you out of your misery and give us all a break!!Lol " | |||
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"Atleast he didn’t start with while sitting in my hot tub staring at the sky lol thinks he’s only one who’s got a hot tub " I’m fairness, if I had a hot tub, I’d be in it every night. | |||
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"Atleast he didn’t start with while sitting in my hot tub staring at the sky lol thinks he’s only one who’s got a hot tub I’m fairness, if I had a hot tub, I’d be in it every night. " if you did you would be in bed early frigging tire you out there more a novelty lol | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. " Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though! | |||
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"Atleast he didn’t start with while sitting in my hot tub staring at the sky lol thinks he’s only one who’s got a hot tub I’m fairness, if I had a hot tub, I’d be in it every night. if you did you would be in bed early frigging tire you out there more a novelty lol " You’re ruining my illusion.  | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though! "I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address? On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem". | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. " Nah, the book about the madness of crowds was referring to the Peoples Vote march in London the other week. It was full of mad people there.  | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though!
I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address?
On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem".
"No wrong postal address, I thought the Hot tub Kid would enjoy reading it too! My favourite quote of the week is "why would you want to listen to a bore with a book when you don't want to listen to one with a hot tub" | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though!
I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address?
On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem".
No wrong postal address, I thought the Hot tub Kid would enjoy reading it too!
My favourite quote of the week is "why would you want to listen to a bore with a book when you don't want to listen to one with a hot tub" "What are you on about?? | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though!
I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address?
On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem".
No wrong postal address, I thought the Hot tub Kid would enjoy reading it too!
My favourite quote of the week is "why would you want to listen to a bore with a book when you don't want to listen to one with a hot tub"
What are you on about??"I thought it was fairly obvious! | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though!
I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address?
On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem".
No wrong postal address, I thought the Hot tub Kid would enjoy reading it too!
My favourite quote of the week is "why would you want to listen to a bore with a book when you don't want to listen to one with a hot tub"
What are you on about??
I thought it was fairly obvious! "Of course it is obvious. There is no logical response to the statement, so attack the messenger. This very transparent and infantile way of dealing with something that is not agreed with largely died out as people became better educated. But as we have seen now with Brexit and particularly with Trump - deflection is the new and “clever” lol way of answering or coping with alternative points of view. Why not either agree that we should go full throttle hard Brexit in order to fuck the country good and proper, or offer some evidence to the contrary that we should not go full bore, hard Brexit or if we did that it would not be so damaging? | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though!
I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address?
On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem".
No wrong postal address, I thought the Hot tub Kid would enjoy reading it too!
My favourite quote of the week is "why would you want to listen to a bore with a book when you don't want to listen to one with a hot tub"
What are you on about??
I thought it was fairly obvious!
Of course it is obvious. There is no logical response to the statement, so attack the messenger.
This very transparent and infantile way of dealing with something that is not agreed with largely died out as people became better educated. But as we have seen now with Brexit and particularly with Trump - deflection is the new and “clever” lol way of answering or coping with alternative points of view.
Why not either agree that we should go full throttle hard Brexit in order to fuck the country good and proper, or offer some evidence to the contrary that we should not go full bore, hard Brexit or if we did that it would not be so damaging?"Infantile! That's a bit rich coming from a man who has been stamping his feet like a naughty child for the last two years because he doesn't like the way a vote went !Man up or get the Mrs to stick a dummy in your mouth! | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though!
I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address?
On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem".
No wrong postal address, I thought the Hot tub Kid would enjoy reading it too!
My favourite quote of the week is "why would you want to listen to a bore with a book when you don't want to listen to one with a hot tub"
What are you on about??
I thought it was fairly obvious!
Of course it is obvious. There is no logical response to the statement, so attack the messenger.
This very transparent and infantile way of dealing with something that is not agreed with largely died out as people became better educated. But as we have seen now with Brexit and particularly with Trump - deflection is the new and “clever” lol way of answering or coping with alternative points of view.
Why not either agree that we should go full throttle hard Brexit in order to fuck the country good and proper, or offer some evidence to the contrary that we should not go full bore, hard Brexit or if we did that it would not be so damaging?
Infantile! That's a bit rich coming from a man who has been stamping his feet like a naughty child for the last two years because he doesn't like the way a vote went !Man up or get the Mrs to stick a dummy in your mouth! "I'd agree with infantile....look at your ramblings here for example | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though!
I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address?
On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem".
No wrong postal address, I thought the Hot tub Kid would enjoy reading it too!
My favourite quote of the week is "why would you want to listen to a bore with a book when you don't want to listen to one with a hot tub"
What are you on about??
I thought it was fairly obvious!
Of course it is obvious. There is no logical response to the statement, so attack the messenger.
This very transparent and infantile way of dealing with something that is not agreed with largely died out as people became better educated. But as we have seen now with Brexit and particularly with Trump - deflection is the new and “clever” lol way of answering or coping with alternative points of view.
Why not either agree that we should go full throttle hard Brexit in order to fuck the country good and proper, or offer some evidence to the contrary that we should not go full bore, hard Brexit or if we did that it would not be so damaging?
Infantile! That's a bit rich coming from a man who has been stamping his feet like a naughty child for the last two years because he doesn't like the way a vote went !Man up or get the Mrs to stick a dummy in your mouth!
I'd agree with infantile....look at your ramblings here for example "No ramblings, some people don't like the truth! | |||
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"i might not agree very much with jo johnsons politics... but as statements go when you are going to resign, if you do it with cold hard facts, maybe those who disagree with you will learn a thing or two... interesting thing about jo johnson going, he as part of the comittee organising the transport elements of brexit... including what the provisional arrangements for traffic in/out of dover!" Have I been living under a rock or something? I’ve never even heard of Jo Johnson?! I thought it was a typo at first. I didn’t realise Boris Johnson had a brother. I know he has a sister that thinks he is a bit of a muppet. I didn’t realise he had a brother in politics too. Let alone was Transport Minister! -Matt | |||
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"i might not agree very much with jo johnsons politics... but as statements go when you are going to resign, if you do it with cold hard facts, maybe those who disagree with you will learn a thing or two... interesting thing about jo johnson going, he as part of the comittee organising the transport elements of brexit... including what the provisional arrangements for traffic in/out of dover! Have I been living under a rock or something? I’ve never even heard of Jo Johnson?! I thought it was a typo at first. I didn’t realise Boris Johnson had a brother. I know he has a sister that thinks he is a bit of a muppet. I didn’t realise he had a brother in politics too. Let alone was Transport Minister! -Matt" he was a "universities minister" before he was moved to the DFT in the reshuffle..... he has always been a semi reasonable tory... as tories go of course! | |||
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"I do believe we should go “full throttle hard brexit,” because that will save us the most money, and give us a head start on life in the new world of economics. WTO will work for us, as it has for so many other nations." Nice sentiment - but cannyou point to any evidence at all that backs up your fantasy? How will it save us the most money when every single model from this very Govt itself predicts a worse situation than we are in now. We can welch on our financial commitments to the EU but that will cost ten times as much in the long term through a future loss of trust in the UK being s reliable partner at all times. Also, You do understand that if the Govt does not collect in taxes what it currently pays to the EU - it is a net loss? Imagine for a second a building contractor deciding to sell his van to save money..., As for a head start, we are already playing catch up having dropped from the fastest growing G7 economy to the slowest. What exactly do you mean by a head start? Who will we be ahead of and how will that he demonstrated? You know that as of this moment there is no U.K. in the WTO and the simplistic Brexiter concept of cutting out EU and replacing with U.K. has already been objected to by other Nations - all of whom have to agree. You think working with 27 friendly nations who all had a common goal was hard? Wait until you deal 160 odd Nations all of whom are smelling meat. Anyway - come on. Back up your thoughts with some evidence or your idle ramblings are just that. | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. " We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. | |||
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"I do believe we should go “full throttle hard brexit,” because that will save us the most money, and give us a head start on life in the new world of economics. WTO will work for us, as it has for so many other nations." I wish I could ignore all the information and believe that this stuff will come true. But it just looks so unlikely. We won’t save any money, we’re already losing more per week than we pay into the EU. And WTO rules take years to negotiate, per deal, per country. I know you think it’s project fear or remoaner bullshit. But it’s how it is. | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on." We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. " MOVING AVERAGE...single data points (on noisy data) are less than useless | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though!
I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address?
On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem".
No wrong postal address, I thought the Hot tub Kid would enjoy reading it too!
My favourite quote of the week is "why would you want to listen to a bore with a book when you don't want to listen to one with a hot tub"
What are you on about??
I thought it was fairly obvious!
Of course it is obvious. There is no logical response to the statement, so attack the messenger.
This very transparent and infantile way of dealing with something that is not agreed with largely died out as people became better educated. But as we have seen now with Brexit and particularly with Trump - deflection is the new and “clever” lol way of answering or coping with alternative points of view.
Why not either agree that we should go full throttle hard Brexit in order to fuck the country good and proper, or offer some evidence to the contrary that we should not go full bore, hard Brexit or if we did that it would not be so damaging?"What's your evidence that there will be a 'few million' job losses because of brexit? Since the referendum there have been 600,000 extra employed, so you're saying there will be at least 3.6 Million job losses because of brexit....what evidence? Over what time period? | |||
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"i might not agree very much with jo johnsons politics... but as statements go when you are going to resign, if you do it with cold hard facts, maybe those who disagree with you will learn a thing or two... interesting thing about jo johnson going, he as part of the comittee organising the transport elements of brexit... including what the provisional arrangements for traffic in/out of dover! Have I been living under a rock or something? I’ve never even heard of Jo Johnson?! I thought it was a typo at first. I didn’t realise Boris Johnson had a brother. I know he has a sister that thinks he is a bit of a muppet. I didn’t realise he had a brother in politics too. Let alone was Transport Minister! -Matt" Imagine spending your entire career addressed not as Mr Jo Johnson or Jo Johnson MP but referenced as 'Boris Johnson's brother Jo Johnson', fucking desolate. | |||
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"Basic synopsis everyone who’s remainer says ever brexiteers an idiot and didn’t know what they voted for and the worlds gonna end the demands facts from idiot brexiteers to prove other wise! Then try’s to tell them that they would changed there mind if there was another vote and there all racists! The end " That about sums it up! | |||
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"Basic synopsis everyone who’s remainer says ever brexiteers an idiot and didn’t know what they voted for and the worlds gonna end the demands facts from idiot brexiteers to prove other wise! Then try’s to tell them that they would changed there mind if there was another vote and there all racists! The end That about sums it up! "Not long before we know the answers - who was right and who was wrong - and the sooner the better then at least we will all know! | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though!
I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address?
On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem".
No wrong postal address, I thought the Hot tub Kid would enjoy reading it too!
My favourite quote of the week is "why would you want to listen to a bore with a book when you don't want to listen to one with a hot tub"
What are you on about??
I thought it was fairly obvious!
Of course it is obvious. There is no logical response to the statement, so attack the messenger.
This very transparent and infantile way of dealing with something that is not agreed with largely died out as people became better educated. But as we have seen now with Brexit and particularly with Trump - deflection is the new and “clever” lol way of answering or coping with alternative points of view.
Why not either agree that we should go full throttle hard Brexit in order to fuck the country good and proper, or offer some evidence to the contrary that we should not go full bore, hard Brexit or if we did that it would not be so damaging?
What's your evidence that there will be a 'few million' job losses because of brexit? Since the referendum there have been 600,000 extra employed, so you're saying there will be at least 3.6 Million job losses because of brexit....what evidence? Over what time period?"What are you even talking about? Where has anyone said 3.6 million job losses? Patrick Minford is the only economist who is forecasting any upside to a hard Brexit as long as we reduce ALL import tariffs and accept that (in his words) “to run down manufacturing in the UK in the same way as the coal mines and shipbuilding” Manufactured products account for 44% of all our exports and around 2.5 million people are directly employed in that sector with at least that number again in secondary supporting business. So if we were to follow Patrick Minfords Brexit strategy then 5 million or so people will see the clock start ticking down on their job. I am not aware of any other economist, even the gloomiest ones who have said anything to put a number on the potential job losses but at least Minfords strategy can be worked on. | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. " The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. | |||
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"Reading a good book about the madness of crowds....makes me think of the brexiteer herd behaviour here. Sounds like a great read, might get wet in the hot tub though!
I think that is a dig with the wrong postal address?
On similar lines of idiotic populism my favourite quote of the week is "don't use a low resolution theory for a high resolution problem".
No wrong postal address, I thought the Hot tub Kid would enjoy reading it too!
My favourite quote of the week is "why would you want to listen to a bore with a book when you don't want to listen to one with a hot tub"
What are you on about??
I thought it was fairly obvious!
Of course it is obvious. There is no logical response to the statement, so attack the messenger.
This very transparent and infantile way of dealing with something that is not agreed with largely died out as people became better educated. But as we have seen now with Brexit and particularly with Trump - deflection is the new and “clever” lol way of answering or coping with alternative points of view.
Why not either agree that we should go full throttle hard Brexit in order to fuck the country good and proper, or offer some evidence to the contrary that we should not go full bore, hard Brexit or if we did that it would not be so damaging?
What's your evidence that there will be a 'few million' job losses because of brexit? Since the referendum there have been 600,000 extra employed, so you're saying there will be at least 3.6 Million job losses because of brexit....what evidence? Over what time period?"Maybe remoaners believe it because Nick Clegg said so during the referendum. I notice he's fucked off to work for Facebook now he's realised he'd never get elected in the UK again. | |||
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"I suggest pressing your own green arrow. If you have more than half of your replied to threads being about brexit, then you should probably find another hobby. " Our hobby is safe. 1 Brexit thread. 5 other politics threads. 8 general threads. 21 swinging threads. | |||
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"I do believe we should go “full throttle hard brexit,” because that will save us the most money, and give us a head start on life in the new world of economics. WTO will work for us, as it has for so many other nations. Nice sentiment - but cannyou point to any evidence at all that backs up your fantasy? How will it save us the most money when every single model from this very Govt itself predicts a worse situation than we are in now. We can welch on our financial commitments to the EU but that will cost ten times as much in the long term through a future loss of trust in the UK being s reliable partner at all times. Also, You do understand that if the Govt does not collect in taxes what it currently pays to the EU - it is a net loss? Imagine for a second a building contractor deciding to sell his van to save money..., As for a head start, we are already playing catch up having dropped from the fastest growing G7 economy to the slowest. What exactly do you mean by a head start? Who will we be ahead of and how will that he demonstrated? You know that as of this moment there is no U.K. in the WTO and the simplistic Brexiter concept of cutting out EU and replacing with U.K. has already been objected to by other Nations - all of whom have to agree. You think working with 27 friendly nations who all had a common goal was hard? Wait until you deal 160 odd Nations all of whom are smelling meat. Anyway - come on. Back up your thoughts with some evidence or your idle ramblings are just that. " All the usual bs about “evidence.” How am I supposed to provide evidence to prove something that hasn’t happened yet? You don’t actually prove anything yourself, same reason, what has yet to happen can bare no fruit. It’s jusg weasley words... | |||
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" Patrick Minford is the only economist who is forecasting any upside to a hard Brexit as long as we reduce ALL import tariffs and accept that (in his words) “to run down manufacturing in the UK in the same way as the coal mines and shipbuilding” Manufactured products account for 44% of all our exports and around 2.5 million people are directly employed in that sector with at least that number again in secondary supporting business. So if we were to follow Patrick Minfords Brexit strategy then 5 million or so people will see the clock start ticking down on their job. I am not aware of any other economist, even the gloomiest ones who have said anything to put a number on the potential job losses but at least Minfords strategy can be worked on. " to be fair to minford... it was just the manufacturing sector that would be decimated.... it was also the agri-foods sector as well (thats farming and fisheries and the whole food sector to us commoners).... 2.5 million jobs in that sector alone would be threatened under minfords plan.... as well as those manufacturing jobs.... thats why i am annoyed "some" people here like to quote minford....because they don't quote WHAT he is actually suggesting! | |||
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"I suggest pressing your own green arrow. If you have more than half of your replied to threads being about brexit, then you should probably find another hobby. Our hobby is safe. 1 Brexit thread. 5 other politics threads. 8 general threads. 21 swinging threads. " | |||
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"....Make the oiks, riffraff’s, chavs and plebs really suffer the consequences of their actions and praise Rees Mogg, Farage, Johnson and the rest for their successful demolition of our great country. "While the poorer members of society who voted in favour of leaving may well suffer in the event of the UK leaving the EU I think it a bit mean to punish then for what was apparently more an act of rebellion against the status quo rather than a genuine belief that the UK would be better off out. Of course for a lot of them 10 years of austerity make the idea that things could get worse for them hard to believe *sighs* while the better off cheerleaders for leaving are both better positioned to take advantage of any opportunities that might arise and are, apparently, either already domiciled overseas (so they don't have to pay UK taxes, or maybe it's for the weather) or are making arrangements to obtain other passports. *sighs* What annoys me the most is of course the leavers' obsession with getting their version of an exit without any compromise despite getting a bare majority in the referendum. I belive this is called majoritarianism and is generally considered a bad thing. It also highlights one of the problems with referendums. I note we never have referendums on taxation or spending (the politicians don't trust the public with the really important decisions which makes one wonder what they are thinking leaving the EU might be, trivial? lol); California has and oddly they have a low-tax, high-spending government with a huge deficit that is taking ages to fix. The death penalty is another famous example of politicians ignoring a majority wish in favour of a more nuanced policy (in the UK). Etc etc etc. ... Mike xx | |||
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"I do believe we should go “full throttle hard brexit,” because that will save us the most money, and give us a head start on life in the new world of economics. WTO will work for us, as it has for so many other nations. Nice sentiment - but cannyou point to any evidence at all that backs up your fantasy? How will it save us the most money when every single model from this very Govt itself predicts a worse situation than we are in now. We can welch on our financial commitments to the EU but that will cost ten times as much in the long term through a future loss of trust in the UK being s reliable partner at all times. Also, You do understand that if the Govt does not collect in taxes what it currently pays to the EU - it is a net loss? Imagine for a second a building contractor deciding to sell his van to save money..., As for a head start, we are already playing catch up having dropped from the fastest growing G7 economy to the slowest. What exactly do you mean by a head start? Who will we be ahead of and how will that he demonstrated? You know that as of this moment there is no U.K. in the WTO and the simplistic Brexiter concept of cutting out EU and replacing with U.K. has already been objected to by other Nations - all of whom have to agree. You think working with 27 friendly nations who all had a common goal was hard? Wait until you deal 160 odd Nations all of whom are smelling meat. Anyway - come on. Back up your thoughts with some evidence or your idle ramblings are just that. All the usual bs about “evidence.” How am I supposed to provide evidence to prove something that hasn’t happened yet? You don’t actually prove anything yourself, same reason, what has yet to happen can bare no fruit. It’s jusg weasley words..." So you don’t even have a theory or anything remotely tangible on which your assertions are based? You must have some kind of thought process to lead you to your conclusions - what was it? Just start with any one of your points - that is how debating and discussion happens. People have opinions and theories and on discussion with others those opinions and theories can be critiqued and the result is that they become validated, modified or abandoned. Why can’t you tell us forexample how you cametotheconclusion that the U.K. would have a head start and over who? | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact." if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! | |||
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"I do believe we should go “full throttle hard brexit,” because that will save us the most money, and give us a head start on life in the new world of economics. WTO will work for us, as it has for so many other nations. Nice sentiment - but cannyou point to any evidence at all that backs up your fantasy? How will it save us the most money when every single model from this very Govt itself predicts a worse situation than we are in now. We can welch on our financial commitments to the EU but that will cost ten times as much in the long term through a future loss of trust in the UK being s reliable partner at all times. Also, You do understand that if the Govt does not collect in taxes what it currently pays to the EU - it is a net loss? Imagine for a second a building contractor deciding to sell his van to save money..., As for a head start, we are already playing catch up having dropped from the fastest growing G7 economy to the slowest. What exactly do you mean by a head start? Who will we be ahead of and how will that he demonstrated? You know that as of this moment there is no U.K. in the WTO and the simplistic Brexiter concept of cutting out EU and replacing with U.K. has already been objected to by other Nations - all of whom have to agree. You think working with 27 friendly nations who all had a common goal was hard? Wait until you deal 160 odd Nations all of whom are smelling meat. Anyway - come on. Back up your thoughts with some evidence or your idle ramblings are just that. All the usual bs about “evidence.” How am I supposed to provide evidence to prove something that hasn’t happened yet? You don’t actually prove anything yourself, same reason, what has yet to happen can bare no fruit. It’s jusg weasley words... So you don’t even have a theory or anything remotely tangible on which your assertions are based? You must have some kind of thought process to lead you to your conclusions - what was it? Just start with any one of your points - that is how debating and discussion happens. People have opinions and theories and on discussion with others those opinions and theories can be critiqued and the result is that they become validated, modified or abandoned. Why can’t you tell us forexample how you cametotheconclusion that the U.K. would have a head start and over who?" I’m simply looking forward to our exit, and hoping it’s a hard one. I will then be able to commentate about things that are happening in the status quo. I know from recent history that the EU has sought to control the the whole of Europe, including this island, and that all the cards have been stacked in favour of Germany and to a lesser extent France. We have been paying for membership of this federal dinosaur, and I predict that we will be better off outside of it. I believe we will get a head start over the other members who haven’t left yet. Because I can see the entire house of cards come tumbling down some time in the none too distant future. I shall raise a few glasses in celebration when that happens too.  | |||
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"Facts Gdp has been flat for two months. Business expenditure was down. Indeed it’s been down ever quarter this year. (For the record I think a lot of this is noise not signal. But are facts)" Here is another fact, construction industry in the uk has seen a big boost over the last quarter, but why bother mentioning anything positive when you're determined to look for the negative in everything? | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! " Your wasting your time Fabio, not until they actually see the results, (& in fairness nobody really knows until it happens ), it's a bit of "doubting Thomas " syndrome so role on 29/3 - we can then see who is right or who is wrong! Not until it's too late will they know what they have done. You can bet for sure IF the UK suddenly becomes Utopia there will be no stopping them. April fool's day is going to be interesting! | |||
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"Facts Gdp has been flat for two months. Business expenditure was down. Indeed it’s been down ever quarter this year. (For the record I think a lot of this is noise not signal. But are facts) Here is another fact, construction industry in the uk has seen a big boost over the last quarter, but why bother mentioning anything positive when you're determined to look for the negative in everything? " I was making a point about “facts”. As you (originally) and I (just now) have shown you can select them to use for an agenda. There’s also the point about context and trend. Q3 was a very good quarter for us. Second best in two years. For Eu and euzone it was there worst. Is this a trend ?(maybe. That’s forecasting) Be interesting to see. But if I looked at six month data, or year data, I’d get a different answe to a three month rate. If I look at monthly data I get a different answe again. Look at the tide, notbthe wave. | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! " You completely missed the point of Hotlovefun's post Fabio, but I'm really not surprised. 
What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes.
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! You completely missed the point of Hotlovefun's post Fabio, but I'm really not surprised.
What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes.
Also my earlier post wasn't just using one fixed figure to suit a narrative as I also referred to the jobs market. When looking at the jobs, employment and unemployment figures over a long period of time the UK jobs market has consistently outperformed that of many other EU countries. "Nobody wants zero hours contracts! UK has 1.8m - enough is enough!!! | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! You completely missed the point of Hotlovefun's post Fabio, but I'm really not surprised.
What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes.
Also my earlier post wasn't just using one fixed figure to suit a narrative as I also referred to the jobs market. When looking at the jobs, employment and unemployment figures over a long period of time the UK jobs market has consistently outperformed that of many other EU countries.
Nobody wants zero hours contracts! UK has 1.8m - enough is enough!!!"As I told you yesterday, many people do want and enjoy the flexibility that a zero hours contract job brings them. If you actually lived in the UK you may have seen people on the news saying exactly that! | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! You completely missed the point of Hotlovefun's post Fabio, but I'm really not surprised.
What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes.
Also my earlier post wasn't just using one fixed figure to suit a narrative as I also referred to the jobs market. When looking at the jobs, employment and unemployment figures over a long period of time the UK jobs market has consistently outperformed that of many other EU countries.
Nobody wants zero hours contracts! UK has 1.8m - enough is enough!!!
As I told you yesterday, many people do want and enjoy the flexibility that a zero hours contract job brings them. If you actually lived in the UK you may have seen people on the news saying exactly that! "As someone else told you "boll**ks" - just try and get a loan or mortgage on a zero hour contract (not loan sharks either). Your not on one so have no idea! | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! You completely missed the point of Hotlovefun's post Fabio, but I'm really not surprised.
What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes.
Also my earlier post wasn't just using one fixed figure to suit a narrative as I also referred to the jobs market. When looking at the jobs, employment and unemployment figures over a long period of time the UK jobs market has consistently outperformed that of many other EU countries.
Nobody wants zero hours contracts! UK has 1.8m - enough is enough!!!
As I told you yesterday, many people do want and enjoy the flexibility that a zero hours contract job brings them. If you actually lived in the UK you may have seen people on the news saying exactly that! "Whatever report you saw that praised zero hours contracts is wildly out of touch and inaccurate. | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! You completely missed the point of Hotlovefun's post Fabio, but I'm really not surprised.
What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes.
Also my earlier post wasn't just using one fixed figure to suit a narrative as I also referred to the jobs market. When looking at the jobs, employment and unemployment figures over a long period of time the UK jobs market has consistently outperformed that of many other EU countries.
Nobody wants zero hours contracts! UK has 1.8m - enough is enough!!!
As I told you yesterday, many people do want and enjoy the flexibility that a zero hours contract job brings them. If you actually lived in the UK you may have seen people on the news saying exactly that!
Whatever report you saw that praised zero hours contracts is wildly out of touch and inaccurate. "Well it was on the BBC! | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! You completely missed the point of Hotlovefun's post Fabio, but I'm really not surprised.
What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes.
Also my earlier post wasn't just using one fixed figure to suit a narrative as I also referred to the jobs market. When looking at the jobs, employment and unemployment figures over a long period of time the UK jobs market has consistently outperformed that of many other EU countries.
Nobody wants zero hours contracts! UK has 1.8m - enough is enough!!!
As I told you yesterday, many people do want and enjoy the flexibility that a zero hours contract job brings them. If you actually lived in the UK you may have seen people on the news saying exactly that!
Whatever report you saw that praised zero hours contracts is wildly out of touch and inaccurate.
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"There will be people who like zero hours. And those who don’t. I have no idea what the split is, but can see whatever the story, the bbc will do their usual approach to “balance” and find someone on both sides. Even if there is only one person. " What about those who can work "flexi hours"? They have to work their contracted 35 -40 hours but they can choose when they work -as long as they do their hours! The other option is part time work - to suit their needs? Both examples guarantee £x amount the only thing zero hours guarantees is 0 hours! No work no money sounds like a bloody good deal ? | |||
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"Employment in Britain 2018: Scrap a full-time job. Replace with three people on zero-hours contracts. Wizard! Unemployment is down, look how great we are. (Just ignore the stagnant productivity figures). " On Productivity the UK saw it's biggest rise in productivity for 6 years in the 3rd quarter of 2017. The 3rd quarter of 2017 saw productivity in the UK rise by 0.9% This happened after the vote to leave the EU. Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) if anyone is in any doubt. | |||
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" On Productivity the UK saw it's biggest rise in productivity for 6 years in the 3rd quarter of 2017. The 3rd quarter of 2017 saw productivity in the UK rise by 0.9% This happened after the vote to leave the EU. Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) if anyone is in any doubt. " centy... if you are going to quote something... quote the whole lot.... so here is the entire situation... ONS 3rd quarter summary Labour productivity, as measured by output per hour, grew by 0.9% compared with the same quarter a year ago; this remains noticeably below the long-term trend observed before 2008 when productivity growth averaged nearly 2% per annum, and suggests the “productivity puzzle” remains unsolved. Labour productivity grew, compared with the previous year, in both services and manufacturing industries, by 0.9% and 0.7% respectively. UK labour productivity is estimated to have fallen by 0.4% in the first three months of the year, as a result of continued strength in employment growth combined with weaker output growth; this is the first fall in output per hour since the second quarter of 2017. Labour productivity fell in both services and manufacturing industries compared with the previous quarter by 0.2% and 1.7% respectively. Both productivity hours worked and jobs grew by 0.6% compared with the previous quarter and compared with the same quarter a year ago, they grew by 0.3% and 1.3% respectively. Earnings and other labour costs growth outpaced productivity growth, resulting in unit labour cost growth of 3.1% in the year to Quarter 1 (Jan to Mar) 2018, up from the 2.9% growth in the year to Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2017. | |||
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"are you now quoting ONS figures because the OBR ones that you used before have been shown that you are stretching your narrative to bash the EU when the Eurozone figures were better using the same measures..... "Past tense and looking into your crystal ball into the future Fabio. I suggest you look up what the difference is. | |||
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" On Productivity the UK saw it's biggest rise in productivity for 6 years in the 3rd quarter of 2017. The 3rd quarter of 2017 saw productivity in the UK rise by 0.9% This happened after the vote to leave the EU. Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) if anyone is in any doubt. centy... if you are going to quote something... quote the whole lot.... so here is the entire situation... ONS 3rd quarter summary Labour productivity, as measured by output per hour, grew by 0.9% compared with the same quarter a year ago; this remains noticeably below the long-term trend observed before 2008 when productivity growth averaged nearly 2% per annum, and suggests the “productivity puzzle” remains unsolved. Labour productivity grew, compared with the previous year, in both services and manufacturing industries, by 0.9% and 0.7% respectively. UK labour productivity is estimated to have fallen by 0.4% in the first three months of the year, as a result of continued strength in employment growth combined with weaker output growth; this is the first fall in output per hour since the second quarter of 2017. Labour productivity fell in both services and manufacturing industries compared with the previous quarter by 0.2% and 1.7% respectively. Both productivity hours worked and jobs grew by 0.6% compared with the previous quarter and compared with the same quarter a year ago, they grew by 0.3% and 1.3% respectively. Earnings and other labour costs growth outpaced productivity growth, resulting in unit labour cost growth of 3.1% in the year to Quarter 1 (Jan to Mar) 2018, up from the 2.9% growth in the year to Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2017." But it was SaraJ who said earlier in the thread that productivity had stagnated. Even the figures you quoted there show it has continued to increase and has not gone into negative numbers. | |||
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" What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes. " Says the man who builds his big dreams for the future on the basis of single data points. You really can't make this shit up...it's hilarious how indoctrinated you are. How did it all start? Did you go to the mainland as a kid and have some sort of life changing incident? If anyone is in the TV industry...just use centy's posting history as pure satire and you'll have a hit show. | |||
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" What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes. Says the man who builds his big dreams for the future on the basis of single data points. You really can't make this shit up...it's hilarious how indoctrinated you are. How did it all start? Did you go to the mainland as a kid and have some sort of life changing incident? If anyone is in the TV industry...just use centy's posting history as pure satire and you'll have a hit show. " It does make you wonder where some of these people were radicalised, doesn't it? -Matt | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! " All very worthy Fabio, and I'm sure that these "experts" have used state of the art computer models and used their experience to come up with these forecasts. However that is exactly what they are, "forecasts" (aka maybe's and could be's Etc) and will not be facts until or if they actually happen. Given the record of the forecasters (scaremongers?) since the referendum (and even during the campaign) almost all have just not happened. So, for now at least, I will take all these forecasts with a pinch (nay bucketful) of salt. | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! All very worthy Fabio, and I'm sure that these "experts" have used state of the art computer models and used their experience to come up with these forecasts. However that is exactly what they are, "forecasts" (aka maybe's and could be's Etc) and will not be facts until or if they actually happen. Given the record of the forecasters (scaremongers?) since the referendum (and even during the campaign) almost all have just not happened. So, for now at least, I will take all these forecasts with a pinch (nay bucketful) of salt." Wow... I don't think I've seen you very often actually agreeing with Fabio and supporting his argument against Centy before. -Matt | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! All very worthy Fabio, and I'm sure that these "experts" have used state of the art computer models and used their experience to come up with these forecasts. However that is exactly what they are, "forecasts" (aka maybe's and could be's Etc) and will not be facts until or if they actually happen. Given the record of the forecasters (scaremongers?) since the referendum (and even during the campaign) almost all have just not happened. So, for now at least, I will take all these forecasts with a pinch (nay bucketful) of salt. Wow... I don't think I've seen you very often actually agreeing with Fabio and supporting his argument against Centy before. -Matt" He didn't, he agreed with me and not Fabio, try reading it again. Slowly this time so it sinks in. | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! All very worthy Fabio, and I'm sure that these "experts" have used state of the art computer models and used their experience to come up with these forecasts. However that is exactly what they are, "forecasts" (aka maybe's and could be's Etc) and will not be facts until or if they actually happen. Given the record of the forecasters (scaremongers?) since the referendum (and even during the campaign) almost all have just not happened. So, for now at least, I will take all these forecasts with a pinch (nay bucketful) of salt. Wow... I don't think I've seen you very often actually agreeing with Fabio and supporting his argument against Centy before. -Matt He didn't, he agreed with me and not Fabio, try reading it again. Slowly this time so it sinks in. " Probably just picked up on the first paragraph and ignored the rest. Short attention span seems to be quite common in the remainer fraternity. | |||
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"Employment in Britain 2018: Scrap a full-time job. Replace with three people on zero-hours contracts. Wizard! Unemployment is down, look how great we are. (Just ignore the stagnant productivity figures). On Productivity the UK saw it's biggest rise in productivity for 6 years in the 3rd quarter of 2017. The 3rd quarter of 2017 saw productivity in the UK rise by 0.9% This happened after the vote to leave the EU. Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) if anyone is in any doubt. " you forgot to mention the drop in the preceding quarters Britain's productivity today is no better than it was before the financial crash. It has stagnated for a decade. Before 2008, it was growing at two per cent a year. It hasn't grown since. The "productivity puzzle". | |||
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" What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes. Says the man who builds his big dreams for the future on the basis of single data points. You really can't make this shit up...it's hilarious how indoctrinated you are. How did it all start? Did you go to the mainland as a kid and have some sort of life changing incident? If anyone is in the TV industry...just use centy's posting history as pure satire and you'll have a hit show. Are you having difficulty reading fella? My post earlier in the thread (which you completely ignore) didn't just refer to a single data point. It also referred to the jobs market, unemployment and employment figures in the UK which has consistently outperformed that of many EU countries over a long period of time. " So you can provide us with the 12, 6 and 3 month moving averages? | |||
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" What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes. Says the man who builds his big dreams for the future on the basis of single data points. You really can't make this shit up...it's hilarious how indoctrinated you are. How did it all start? Did you go to the mainland as a kid and have some sort of life changing incident? If anyone is in the TV industry...just use centy's posting history as pure satire and you'll have a hit show. Are you having difficulty reading fella? My post earlier in the thread (which you completely ignore) didn't just refer to a single data point. It also referred to the jobs market, unemployment and employment figures in the UK which has consistently outperformed that of many EU countries over a long period of time. So you can provide us with the 12, 6 and 3 month moving averages? " Well when you consider youth unemployment and overall unemployment has been sky high in EU countries like Spain, Portugal, Greece and Italy for years now it's kind of obvious. The UK jobs figures are also much better than France's now too. | |||
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" What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes. Says the man who builds his big dreams for the future on the basis of single data points. You really can't make this shit up...it's hilarious how indoctrinated you are. How did it all start? Did you go to the mainland as a kid and have some sort of life changing incident? If anyone is in the TV industry...just use centy's posting history as pure satire and you'll have a hit show. Are you having difficulty reading fella? My post earlier in the thread (which you completely ignore) didn't just refer to a single data point. It also referred to the jobs market, unemployment and employment figures in the UK which has consistently outperformed that of many EU countries over a long period of time. So you can provide us with the 12, 6 and 3 month moving averages? Well when you consider youth unemployment and overall unemployment has been sky high in EU countries like Spain, Portugal, Greece and Italy for years now it's kind of obvious. The UK jobs figures are also much better than France's now too. " You are cherry picking. EU average please. | |||
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"Seems to be were at 11% versus Eu 15%. Both have been falling consistently. I will be honest I’m suprised it’s this close. I thought we were way better than the average. Germany’s is scarily low. " 2.2 million or 5.1% is hardly "scarily low"  | |||
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"Seems to be were at 11% versus Eu 15%. Both have been falling consistently. I will be honest I’m suprised it’s this close. I thought we were way better than the average. Germany’s is scarily low. 2.2 million or 5.1% is hardly "scarily low" "Relative to ours then, it’s half. If we call out how much better we are than say Spain or France, we need to reflect on who is better than us. | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! All very worthy Fabio, and I'm sure that these "experts" have used state of the art computer models and used their experience to come up with these forecasts. However that is exactly what they are, "forecasts" (aka maybe's and could be's Etc) and will not be facts until or if they actually happen. Given the record of the forecasters (scaremongers?) since the referendum (and even during the campaign) almost all have just not happened. So, for now at least, I will take all these forecasts with a pinch (nay bucketful) of salt. Wow... I don't think I've seen you very often actually agreeing with Fabio and supporting his argument against Centy before. -Matt He didn't, he agreed with me and not Fabio, try reading it again. Slowly this time so it sinks in. " No, he is agreeing with Fabio. He is saying take these forecasts with a pinch of salt, and Fabio is saying that you can't just cherry pick stats or compare forecasts with past. -Matt | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! All very worthy Fabio, and I'm sure that these "experts" have used state of the art computer models and used their experience to come up with these forecasts. However that is exactly what they are, "forecasts" (aka maybe's and could be's Etc) and will not be facts until or if they actually happen. Given the record of the forecasters (scaremongers?) since the referendum (and even during the campaign) almost all have just not happened. So, for now at least, I will take all these forecasts with a pinch (nay bucketful) of salt. Wow... I don't think I've seen you very often actually agreeing with Fabio and supporting his argument against Centy before. -Matt He didn't, he agreed with me and not Fabio, try reading it again. Slowly this time so it sinks in. Probably just picked up on the first paragraph and ignored the rest. Short attention span seems to be quite common in the remainer fraternity. "No, I read it fully. As I said, glad to see you and Fabio saying basically the same thing. -Matt | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. " scientists are a bad word for leavers... the amount of pish that comes out of the brexit nonsense becomes unreal..cherry picked data, plain denials and throw in a little bit of stupidity levels of nationalism and hey presto, brexit. As for the zero hours contracts being 'wanted'..that's another lot of rubbish..people that 'want' that are most likely those who'll be helping to continue the cycle of debts. | |||
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" What Hotlovefun pointed out was facts are things that have already happened and can be referred to in past tense (which was what my earlier post did). Your whole post above is about economic forecasts looking into the future, which are really nothing more than supposition, guessing and maybes. Says the man who builds his big dreams for the future on the basis of single data points. You really can't make this shit up...it's hilarious how indoctrinated you are. How did it all start? Did you go to the mainland as a kid and have some sort of life changing incident? If anyone is in the TV industry...just use centy's posting history as pure satire and you'll have a hit show. Are you having difficulty reading fella? My post earlier in the thread (which you completely ignore) didn't just refer to a single data point. It also referred to the jobs market, unemployment and employment figures in the UK which has consistently outperformed that of many EU countries over a long period of time. So you can provide us with the 12, 6 and 3 month moving averages? Well when you consider youth unemployment and overall unemployment has been sky high in EU countries like Spain, Portugal, Greece and Italy for years now it's kind of obvious. The UK jobs figures are also much better than France's now too. " Yeah but if you add 1.8m zero hours jobs how does that compare? | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. " I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. " again... if you are advocating minford's group, they say that to make brexit work they advocate for a low tariff structure which in there own words "would decimate the uk manufacturing and agri-food industries" so centy...... is that what you are advocating for? | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. " Is Minford respected ? Serious question. His Liverpool model is not widely used. Outside his own papers it seems. From what I’ve seen his assumptions are skewt and some of his conclusions are scary. If not a little unbelievable.... | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. " still ignoring cultural , environment data and scientific data.. you have such a deluded mind... answer me this......what have we got from the EU..in terms of , obviously science,healthcare and funding for underdeveloped areas in the UK... This whole brexit nonsense comes from people thinking the 'germans' took away our liberties... | |||
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" I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. " But your chums told us to stop listening to "experts". Now you want us to believe them. You really need to make your mind up. | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. again... if you are advocating minford's group, they say that to make brexit work they advocate for a low tariff structure which in there own words "would decimate the uk manufacturing and agri-food industries" so centy...... is that what you are advocating for?" He wants a zero hours contract - then he can be flexible! | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. again... if you are advocating minford's group, they say that to make brexit work they advocate for a low tariff structure which in there own words "would decimate the uk manufacturing and agri-food industries" so centy...... is that what you are advocating for? He wants a zero hours contract - then he can be flexible! "you can buy a house when you say I'm on zerohours contract...aye fucking right. | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. " “The Economists for Brexit”. They sound impartial. Come on! A school child would think about this with a more critical eye. You have to analyse what’s put in front of you. And as for David Folkerts-Landau. Did you read what he said? He is in favour of reforming the EU and wants UK to work as closely as possible with them. And he said “can do better”. Not “will do better”. So why do you believe this small select number of Economists who are vastly outnumbered and ignore the rest? That’s the question. I’m sure you will either ignore this point. But if you want to play the “Economists say Brexit will be good for the UK” card, you should take into account the 99% of them who say something that doesn’t fit your personal narrative. | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. “The Economists for Brexit”. They sound impartial. Come on! A school child would think about this with a more critical eye. You have to analyse what’s put in front of you. And as for David Folkerts-Landau. Did you read what he said? He is in favour of reforming the EU and wants UK to work as closely as possible with them. And he said “can do better”. Not “will do better”. So why do you believe this small select number of Economists who are vastly outnumbered and ignore the rest? That’s the question. I’m sure you will either ignore this point. But if you want to play the “Economists say Brexit will be good for the UK” card, you should take into account the 99% of them who say something that doesn’t fit your personal narrative. " lets not really go into much of the finances side of things...I'd say the majority of people(like me, do not really look at the next budget etc etc, we just think next year I'm getting shafted)... people DO not care about the finances..what they 'cared' about was foreign people having power over them and foreign people coming into the country........xenophobia was played on to the highest degree. | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. “The Economists for Brexit”. They sound impartial. Come on! A school child would think about this with a more critical eye. You have to analyse what’s put in front of you. And as for David Folkerts-Landau. Did you read what he said? He is in favour of reforming the EU and wants UK to work as closely as possible with them. And he said “can do better”. Not “will do better”. So why do you believe this small select number of Economists who are vastly outnumbered and ignore the rest? That’s the question. I’m sure you will either ignore this point. But if you want to play the “Economists say Brexit will be good for the UK” card, you should take into account the 99% of them who say something that doesn’t fit your personal narrative. lets not really go into much of the finances side of things...I'd say the majority of people(like me, do not really look at the next budget etc etc, we just think next year I'm getting shafted)... people DO not care about the finances..what they 'cared' about was foreign people having power over them and foreign people coming into the country........xenophobia was played on to the highest degree." Very true. I don’t care what nationality my ruling overlords are. I care about what they legislate. Tories = high borrowing, austerity, etc EU = workers rights, environmental protection, food safety standard etc | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. “The Economists for Brexit”. They sound impartial. Come on! A school child would think about this with a more critical eye. You have to analyse what’s put in front of you. And as for David Folkerts-Landau. Did you read what he said? He is in favour of reforming the EU and wants UK to work as closely as possible with them. And he said “can do better”. Not “will do better”. So why do you believe this small select number of Economists who are vastly outnumbered and ignore the rest? That’s the question. I’m sure you will either ignore this point. But if you want to play the “Economists say Brexit will be good for the UK” card, you should take into account the 99% of them who say something that doesn’t fit your personal narrative. lets not really go into much of the finances side of things...I'd say the majority of people(like me, do not really look at the next budget etc etc, we just think next year I'm getting shafted)... people DO not care about the finances..what they 'cared' about was foreign people having power over them and foreign people coming into the country........xenophobia was played on to the highest degree. Very true. I don’t care what nationality my ruling overlords are. I care about what they legislate. Tories = high borrowing, austerity, etc EU = workers rights, environmental protection, food safety standard etc" you left out regional infrastructure investment and cultural development | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on. We're not in freefall though are we. Our last quarter growth was 0.6%, 3 times better than that of the Eurozone on 0.2%. Our employment and unemployment figures are also much better than that of many other EU countries. The remainers always bang on about facts. Yet nearly all of their facts are maybe's could be's and might be's. To be a fact something has to be real (like Centaur's post above) Something that may, might, could happen after March 29th is nothing more than supposition and most certainly NOT fact. if you saw the other thread where centy trumpeted this fact you would know there is context in it that he didn't understand, or doesn't care to admit, or is deliberate using one figure to suit a narrative.... so centy is using a single "3 month measuring point" on a five year forecast curve to try an make a point.... the wider point that centy failed to tell people (deliberately or otherwise, i'll leav it up to you to decide knowing centys history on here) is that the 5 year curve for the prediction of economic growth measured as part of GDP is slower in the UK than the Eurozone... UK forecast is 1.6% for 18/19 Eurozone Forecast is 2% both for 18/19 19/20.......... (if you want to rest of the OBR 5 yr forecast.. 19/20 have been revised down from 1.4% to 1.3%, 20/21 and 21/22 will be 1.4%, 22/23 will be 1.6% what centy also failed to mention is that where they revised the 17/18 figure for what actually happened was revised DOWN from 1.5 to 1.3% there.... bit more context for you all... enjoy spinning.... citing the OBR report page 14 and 15 if anyone wants to actually know..... comes with a handy graph of what happened pre and post brexit vote as well if you want a gander! All very worthy Fabio, and I'm sure that these "experts" have used state of the art computer models and used their experience to come up with these forecasts. However that is exactly what they are, "forecasts" (aka maybe's and could be's Etc) and will not be facts until or if they actually happen. Given the record of the forecasters (scaremongers?) since the referendum (and even during the campaign) almost all have just not happened. So, for now at least, I will take all these forecasts with a pinch (nay bucketful) of salt. Wow... I don't think I've seen you very often actually agreeing with Fabio and supporting his argument against Centy before. -Matt He didn't, he agreed with me and not Fabio, try reading it again. Slowly this time so it sinks in. No, he is agreeing with Fabio. He is saying take these forecasts with a pinch of salt, and Fabio is saying that you can't just cherry pick stats or compare forecasts with past. -Matt" So you must be saying that Fabio agrees with me then. | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. “The Economists for Brexit”. They sound impartial. Come on! A school child would think about this with a more critical eye. You have to analyse what’s put in front of you. And as for David Folkerts-Landau. Did you read what he said? He is in favour of reforming the EU and wants UK to work as closely as possible with them. And he said “can do better”. Not “will do better”. So why do you believe this small select number of Economists who are vastly outnumbered and ignore the rest? That’s the question. I’m sure you will either ignore this point. But if you want to play the “Economists say Brexit will be good for the UK” card, you should take into account the 99% of them who say something that doesn’t fit your personal narrative. lets not really go into much of the finances side of things...I'd say the majority of people(like me, do not really look at the next budget etc etc, we just think next year I'm getting shafted)... people DO not care about the finances..what they 'cared' about was foreign people having power over them and foreign people coming into the country........xenophobia was played on to the highest degree. Very true. I don’t care what nationality my ruling overlords are. I care about what they legislate. Tories = high borrowing, austerity, etc EU = workers rights, environmental protection, food safety standard etc" it gets worse:- I recently took a segment from a facebook group(a school friend had shared), added a video showing an asian shopkeeper selling drink to an 11yr old.....disgusting of course... but upon reading the websites page I was , basically shown this site was a 'white preservation' society...obviously muslims being the target...but they went on to say ANY mixing of races was against preserving white people... the site excludes other races, gays,feminism.. and weirdly enough.. they hate poppy burners...but promote genocide of anyone other than white....so they claim...my grandfather fought in the wars...but hitler had the right idea. dicks. | |||
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"Seems to be were at 11% versus Eu 15%. Both have been falling consistently. I will be honest I’m suprised it’s this close. I thought we were way better than the average. Germany’s is scarily low. 2.2 million or 5.1% is hardly "scarily low"
Relative to ours then, it’s half. If we call out how much better we are than say Spain or France, we need to reflect on who is better than us.
"So 5.1% is half of 4%. Hmm interesting maths. The numbers are out there. Google is your friend. | |||
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"Seems to be were at 11% versus Eu 15%. Both have been falling consistently. I will be honest I’m suprised it’s this close. I thought we were way better than the average. Germany’s is scarily low. 2.2 million or 5.1% is hardly "scarily low"
Relative to ours then, it’s half. If we call out how much better we are than say Spain or France, we need to reflect on who is better than us.
So 5.1% is half of 4%. Hmm interesting maths.
The numbers are out there. Google is your friend."What number are you quoting ? I’m talking youth unemployment. 10.8% June-aug 2018 Source https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05871 | |||
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"Seems to be were at 11% versus Eu 15%. Both have been falling consistently. I will be honest I’m suprised it’s this close. I thought we were way better than the average. Germany’s is scarily low. 2.2 million or 5.1% is hardly "scarily low"
Relative to ours then, it’s half. If we call out how much better we are than say Spain or France, we need to reflect on who is better than us.
So 5.1% is half of 4%. Hmm interesting maths.
The numbers are out there. Google is your friend.
What number are you quoting ? I’m talking youth unemployment. 10.8% June-aug 2018 Source https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05871
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"Well just read that JRM is advocating a change of tack to the P.M. He is suggesting that we pay the EU £20bn for a "no deal plus"? How bizzare from a man who has said "we don't have to pay a penny ", or WTO withdrawal, or Canada ++ deal to a super bespoke + deal! So what does he really want? Or more to the point what can we get? " JRM has been poving himself a massive hypocrite of late .... he blatantly realised he backed political suicide and is shitting his pants over his future on the gravy train | |||
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"Well just read that JRM is advocating a change of tack to the P.M. He is suggesting that we pay the EU £20bn for a "no deal plus"? How bizzare from a man who has said "we don't have to pay a penny ", or WTO withdrawal, or Canada ++ deal to a super bespoke + deal! So what does he really want? Or more to the point what can we get? " Who knows what deal we will get. What we can say with 100% certainty, it won’t be as good as what we have now as a full member of the EU. And on top of that we’ve walked away from the decision making table where we had the privilege of the UKs veto. | |||
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"Well just read that JRM is advocating a change of tack to the P.M. He is suggesting that we pay the EU £20bn for a "no deal plus"? How bizzare from a man who has said "we don't have to pay a penny ", or WTO withdrawal, or Canada ++ deal to a super bespoke + deal! So what does he really want? Or more to the point what can we get? JRM has been poving himself a massive hypocrite of late .... he blatantly realised he backed political suicide and is shitting his pants over his future on the gravy train" His hypocrisy has no limit .Hes showing his true colours now. | |||
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"These threads are bonkers. The whole world, except Centaur and one economist he somehow found, say that Brexit is already bad for the economy, and will get worse whichever leave deal or no deal we end up with. We will be worse off. Not even getting into the negative impact on UK culturally and on the environment, personally liberties, workers rights etc etc. I think this post just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The economist's for Brexit group during the referendum was a group of around 12 well known and respected economist's, not just one which you wrongly assumed. It's not just pro Brexit economists who say we'll do well out of Brexit either, as the chief economist of Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, said just a couple of weeks ago the UK will thrive outside of the EU. “The Economists for Brexit”. They sound impartial. Come on! A school child would think about this with a more critical eye. You have to analyse what’s put in front of you. And as for David Folkerts-Landau. Did you read what he said? He is in favour of reforming the EU and wants UK to work as closely as possible with them. And he said “can do better”. Not “will do better”. So why do you believe this small select number of Economists who are vastly outnumbered and ignore the rest? That’s the question. I’m sure you will either ignore this point. But if you want to play the “Economists say Brexit will be good for the UK” card, you should take into account the 99% of them who say something that doesn’t fit your personal narrative. lets not really go into much of the finances side of things...I'd say the majority of people(like me, do not really look at the next budget etc etc, we just think next year I'm getting shafted)... people DO not care about the finances..what they 'cared' about was foreign people having power over them and foreign people coming into the country........xenophobia was played on to the highest degree. Very true. I don’t care what nationality my ruling overlords are. I care about what they legislate. Tories = high borrowing, austerity, etc EU = workers rights, environmental protection, food safety standard etc" I sometimes wonder if handing the reigns of power to Junker after one of his long lunches would really be any worse than the shit shower we currently have | |||
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"If we're determined to race to the bottom, it should be done with maximum effect. And trim the size of the state down to that of other countries or tax havens, so the plebs know the purpose of the country and regaining sovereignty. We’re in freefall and some are cheering it on." Aren't you going to take exception to poor people who voted for Brexit being called 'oiks', 'riffraff', 'chavs', and 'plebs' here then Ray? You seemed to take great exception to them being called 'scum' on another thread. Just wondering why you've posted several times on this thread and you haven't batted an eyelid at them being called oiks, riffraff, chavs and plebs?  | |||
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"Haha this was some dig at me. I criticised one person for calling poor people scum, but failed to criticise someone else somewhere on the forums for a somewhat similar suggestion regarding poor people which I didn’t see and can’t be arsed to go looking for. I believe the insults aimed at me we’re based on the fact that I called out a leaver on their views about poor people and I did not call out a remainers for saying something similar. I’ve been “exposed”. It was a very funny." Some people are blinded by their own hate and fury - even though they won lol. I seriously wonder how some people sleep at night with so much anger coursing through their veins. Anyone in their right mind can read what was meant in this thread opener. The fact that the outraged and the angry (who coincidentally happen to be Brexiters) take it completely out of context and then use it to attack others is just so stereotypical. It is so pathetic that I didn’t even bother responding on the other thread. | |||
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"Haha this was some dig at me. I criticised one person for calling poor people scum, but failed to criticise someone else somewhere on the forums for a somewhat similar suggestion regarding poor people which I didn’t see and can’t be arsed to go looking for. I believe the insults aimed at me we’re based on the fact that I called out a leaver on their views about poor people and I did not call out a remainers for saying something similar. I’ve been “exposed”. It was a very funny." You didn't see 'oiks', 'riffraff', 'chavs', or 'plebs' even though it's on the OP and you posted several times on this thread? So you seriously expect people to believe you post on threads without reading the OP???? Pull the other one Ray. | |||
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"Haha this was some dig at me. I criticised one person for calling poor people scum, but failed to criticise someone else somewhere on the forums for a somewhat similar suggestion regarding poor people which I didn’t see and can’t be arsed to go looking for. I believe the insults aimed at me we’re based on the fact that I called out a leaver on their views about poor people and I did not call out a remainers for saying something similar. I’ve been “exposed”. It was a very funny." Alt right tactics .Standard game play in here.Im so exposed I'm typing naked... | |||
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"Haha this was some dig at me. I criticised one person for calling poor people scum, but failed to criticise someone else somewhere on the forums for a somewhat similar suggestion regarding poor people which I didn’t see and can’t be arsed to go looking for. I believe the insults aimed at me we’re based on the fact that I called out a leaver on their views about poor people and I did not call out a remainers for saying something similar. I’ve been “exposed”. It was a very funny. You didn't see 'oiks', 'riffraff', 'chavs', or 'plebs' even though it's on the OP and you posted several times on this thread? So you seriously expect people to believe you post on threads without reading the OP???? Pull the other one Ray. " Honestly, I don’t care what people believe about weather I did or didn’t see the post you’re talking about. Besides you’re the one who brought Brexit into the Poverty thread. Not me. I just enjoy poking the poster who called poor people “scum” because that person says such ludicrous stuff (not usually about Brexit). I know you like attacking me, and you’re welcome to, it’s a free forum. I’m comfortable with who I am as a person. So the insults and the things you say don’t phase me. | |||
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"Is oik in the same camp as scum ? Even if he saw it, man gets triggered at word scum but not riff raff is hardly the biggest inconsistency in position ever. There are plenty of other instances here where people seem to contradict themselves. To call one out, one has to call them all out..." Thank you, also works both ways. As an example poster was all over the accusations about Labour anti/semitism news. But then backs and defends much more bigoted public figures. One rule for him, another for someone else. | |||
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