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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The Electoral Commission has asked the police to investigate what it suspects is criminal misconduct by Aaron Banks and the leave campaign.

It appears the Commission believes Banks is not the true source of £8 million used to bankroll the campaign.

The Commission says it has detected multiple offences that fall into the criminal jurisdiction of the police.

Who do you think really put up the £8m?

My money is on the Russians.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if the introduction was found to be via Messr Trump?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Fondly looking back to pre Brexit discussions, people we all much friendlier

Clearly a flawed process, with a flawed outcome leading to a flawed ending...

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

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By *avagliamMan
over a year ago

London


"The Electoral Commission has asked the police to investigate what it suspects is criminal misconduct by Aaron Banks and the leave campaign.

It appears the Commission believes Banks is not the true source of £8 million used to bankroll the campaign.

The Commission says it has detected multiple offences that fall into the criminal jurisdiction of the police.

Who do you think really put up the £8m?

My money is on the Russians.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if the introduction was found to be via Messr Trump?

"

Interestingly (expectedly)

there is little coverage on this...

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Fondly looking back to pre Brexit discussions, people we all much friendlier

Clearly a flawed process, with a flawed outcome leading to a flawed ending..."

Lol yes another chapter in the biggest act of misgovernance I can recall in my lifetime

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

banks is brexcrement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners"

Excellent rambling rant. That was very entertaining. Although aside from wanting to spit on people, I didn’t really understand much of it.

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners"

Are you referring to me, or the Electoral Commission?

Spitting is not very dignified, especially for a lady.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners

Are you referring to me, or the Electoral Commission?

Spitting is not very dignified, especially for a lady.

"

Ladies....the alternative to spitting is swallowing.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Electoral Commission has asked the police to investigate what it suspects is criminal misconduct by Aaron Banks and the leave campaign.

It appears the Commission believes Banks is not the true source of £8 million used to bankroll the campaign.

The Commission says it has detected multiple offences that fall into the criminal jurisdiction of the police.

Who do you think really put up the £8m?

My money is on the Russians.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if the introduction was found to be via Messr Trump?

"

well if the Russians didn't do it lets blame President trump and if he didn't do it lets bounce back to blaming Russia...you guys never get tired of play that broken record

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners

Are you referring to me, or the Electoral Commission?

Spitting is not very dignified, especially for a lady.

Ladies....the alternative to spitting is swallowing....."

I draw the line at swallowing bullshit

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners"

Jeez... you are like a broken fucking record.

You won. Get over it.

-Matt

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

well if the Russians didn't do it lets blame President trump and if he didn't do it lets bounce back to blaming Russia...you guys never get tired of play that broken record "

I'm not challenging the outcome, just wondering who was pulling the strings.

Public officials discover evidence of criminal misconduct.

I guess they could do a Jimmy Saville and turn a blind eye.

Or perhaps not.

Should the police officers doing the investigation be vetted to find out which way they voted first?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners"

Dear lord listen to yourself, ffs we are talking about a different political viewpoint and your using that sort of language..

This thread has got nothing to do with the vote, that's gone and accepted.. What's not accepted is the end position and we all have a right to both have a view and to express it without people as you have done saying they spit on them..

Vile thought..

The thread is about alleged criminal acts which may have effected the democracy you are talking about, are you OK with such things if proven?

Because none of us should be..

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It's been referred to the National Crime Agency rather than, say, Avon and Somerset Constabulary, within whose jurisdiction Banks lives.

That tells you the trail of evidence crosses boundaries and is international.

How are our relations with Interpol? Not broken yet, I hope.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

It's been referred because the Electoral Commission hasn't got the legal jurisdiction or know how to follow the money trail.

They suspect that the £8 million being talked about was channeled through the Isle of Man. It's now upto the NCA to try and unpick what, if anything, has happened.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury


"It's been referred to the National Crime Agency rather than, say, Avon and Somerset Constabulary, within whose jurisdiction Banks lives.

That tells you the trail of evidence crosses boundaries and is international.

How are our relations with Interpol? Not broken yet, I hope.

"

Wrong in terms of international evidence.....all police forces regularly obtain overseas evidence (use of Commission Rogatoire or letters of request).

The referral is to the NCA due to the widespread nature of where the alleged offence(s) may have taken place (ie across the whole UK). The enquiry is likely ro be extensive and no single force would want to commit it's resources and Financial investigators to a drawn out process.

If there are no charges brought because of a lack of evidence of any wrongdoing in the law, it is unlikely that we will hear any detail of what legitimate transactions may be uncovered, other than the presumption of innocence has been reinforced due to no indictment being lodged.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners"

Disrespect a democratic vote by talking about alleged criminal offences that undermine a democratic vote.

Been hit with the stupid stick recently?

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"It's been referred to the National Crime Agency rather than, say, Avon and Somerset Constabulary, within whose jurisdiction Banks lives.

That tells you the trail of evidence crosses boundaries and is international.

How are our relations with Interpol? Not broken yet, I hope.

Wrong in terms of international evidence.....all police forces regularly obtain overseas evidence (use of Commission Rogatoire or letters of request).

The referral is to the NCA due to the widespread nature of where the alleged offence(s) may have taken place (ie across the whole UK). The enquiry is likely ro be extensive and no single force would want to commit it's resources and Financial investigators to a drawn out process.

If there are no charges brought because of a lack of evidence of any wrongdoing in the law, it is unlikely that we will hear any detail of what legitimate transactions may be uncovered, other than the presumption of innocence has been reinforced due to no indictment being lodged."

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The Electoral Commission has asked the police to investigate what it suspects is criminal misconduct by Aaron Banks and the leave campaign.

It appears the Commission believes Banks is not the true source of £8 million used to bankroll the campaign.

The Commission says it has detected multiple offences that fall into the criminal jurisdiction of the police.

Who do you think really put up the £8m?

My money is on the Russians.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if the introduction was found to be via Messr Trump?

"

Misleading thread title and misleading opening statement on this thread, but it's what we've come to expect from bitter and twisted remoaners on here.

The official Vote Leave campaign is NOT being investigated, and since the electoral commission made allegations against the official Vote Leave campaign earlier this year nothing has come of it, surprise, surprise (maybe because there was no real evidence and the allegations were trumped up politically motivated lies).

The campaign being talked about in today's news is Leave.Eu (run by Aaron Banks) which to be perfectly clear was NOT the official Vote Leave campaign. In response to the accusations Aaron Banks released a statement saying he welcomed the referral to the National Crime agency so that he and his colleagues at Leave.Eu could have their names cleared against what he called "ludicrous accusations".

He went onto say that the electoral commission had no evidence and had presented no evidence to back up their accusations and that the money donated to Leave.Eu was all legal and above board and he had records to prove it. The money Aaron Banks donated to Leave causes during the referendum (around £8 million) was all his own money coming from his own companies, and as a UK national paying UK tax on his UK business he was fully entitled to donate that money within the limits of UK law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

looks like his perverting the course of the democratic process using laundered money from foreign sources jig is up then

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury


"looks like his perverting the course of the democratic process using laundered money from foreign sources jig is up then "

I know you would personally like to think so, but wait for the outcome......if no charges are laid or there is a trial which results in an acquittal, then there would have been no wrongdoing.

The law is wriiten around a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Electoral Commission has asked the police to investigate what it suspects is criminal misconduct by Aaron Banks and the leave campaign.

It appears the Commission believes Banks is not the true source of £8 million used to bankroll the campaign.

The Commission says it has detected multiple offences that fall into the criminal jurisdiction of the police.

Who do you think really put up the £8m?

My money is on the Russians.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if the introduction was found to be via Messr Trump?

Misleading thread title and misleading opening statement on this thread, but it's what we've come to expect from bitter and twisted remoaners on here.

The official Vote Leave campaign is NOT being investigated, and since the electoral commission made allegations against the official Vote Leave campaign earlier this year nothing has come of it, surprise, surprise (maybe because there was no real evidence and the allegations were trumped up politically motivated lies).

The campaign being talked about in today's news is Leave.Eu (run by Aaron Banks) which to be perfectly clear was NOT the official Vote Leave campaign. In response to the accusations Aaron Banks released a statement saying he welcomed the referral to the National Crime agency so that he and his colleagues at Leave.Eu could have their names cleared against what he called "ludicrous accusations".

He went onto say that the electoral commission had no evidence and had presented no evidence to back up their accusations and that the money donated to Leave.Eu was all legal and above board and he had records to prove it. The money Aaron Banks donated to Leave causes during the referendum (around £8 million) was all his own money coming from his own companies, and as a UK national paying UK tax on his UK business he was fully entitled to donate that money within the limits of UK law. "

Block accused of crime says he didn’t do it. Case closed.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"looks like his perverting the course of the democratic process using laundered money from foreign sources jig is up then

I know you would personally like to think so, but wait for the outcome......if no charges are laid or there is a trial which results in an acquittal, then there would have been no wrongdoing.

The law is wriiten around a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise."

There seems to be a consistent pattern developing on here and in general amongst those on the left of guilty until proven innocent.

We have seen it several times already with the Stormy Daniels case, "Donald Trump must be guilty" they said. Then Donald Trump was proven innocent of the charges against him in a court of law. Then we saw it again with the Kavanaugh case, the loony left said he must be guilty. Then he was exonerated and given a seat on the US Supreme court. Now we're seeing it again today with Aaron Banks.

It really is unfortunate that a few nut jobs in society can't accept the long held tradition in law of innocent until proven guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"looks like his perverting the course of the democratic process using laundered money from foreign sources jig is up then

I know you would personally like to think so, but wait for the outcome......if no charges are laid or there is a trial which results in an acquittal, then there would have been no wrongdoing.

The law is wriiten around a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.

There seems to be a consistent pattern developing on here and in general amongst those on the left of guilty until proven innocent.

We have seen it several times already with the Stormy Daniels case, "Donald Trump must be guilty" they said. Then Donald Trump was proven innocent of the charges against him in a court of law. Then we saw it again with the Kavanaugh case, the loony left said he must be guilty. Then he was exonerated and given a seat on the US Supreme court. Now we're seeing it again today with Aaron Banks.

It really is unfortunate that a few nut jobs in society can't accept the long held tradition in law of innocent until proven guilty. "

Yeah! Innocent until proven guilty shame some people don’t take their own advice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

banks.... the soap ... pick it up!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's right that such serious potential wrong !doing has been referred to the police, where the suspects are unable or unwilling to provide credible honest evidence to justify their behavior. The allegations would result in millions of people having their lives harmed and the direction of the UK permanently altered. I find Banks especially troublesome, with his apparent Russian links and sheer volume of influence that such an unsavory approach to influence the course of UK power. He's the sort of person I would consider for removal of citizenship, if foreign involvement or countries were used in any way inappropriately to steer funding for campaigns.

Thos should be moved on quickly, so that the enormity of any wrongdoing or criminal behavior of any type can be grasped, punished and UK sovereignty established, with potential pausing of article 50. This man has cost the UK £billions ! It would be good to see confiscation orders being appropriate and applied.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"The Electoral Commission has asked the police to investigate what it suspects is criminal misconduct by Aaron Banks and the leave campaign.

It appears the Commission believes Banks is not the true source of £8 million used to bankroll the campaign.

The Commission says it has detected multiple offences that fall into the criminal jurisdiction of the police.

Who do you think really put up the £8m?

My money is on the Russians.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if the introduction was found to be via Messr Trump?

"

.

I think you need to remove your leftist tin hat and see the world for what it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Electoral Commission has asked the police to investigate what it suspects is criminal misconduct by Aaron Banks and the leave campaign.

It appears the Commission believes Banks is not the true source of £8 million used to bankroll the campaign.

The Commission says it has detected multiple offences that fall into the criminal jurisdiction of the police.

Who do you think really put up the £8m?

My money is on the Russians.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if the introduction was found to be via Messr Trump?

"

Well the regulator was worried about his insurance company being able to pay claims in 2014 and wanted more capital reserves! Then in a couple of years he's spending millions. Russian wife helps and he forgot about several meetings with Russians!

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"The Electoral Commission has asked the police to investigate what it suspects is criminal misconduct by Aaron Banks and the leave campaign.

It appears the Commission believes Banks is not the true source of £8 million used to bankroll the campaign.

The Commission says it has detected multiple offences that fall into the criminal jurisdiction of the police.

Who do you think really put up the £8m?

My money is on the Russians.

And wouldn't it be wonderful if the introduction was found to be via Messr Trump?

Misleading thread title and misleading opening statement on this thread, but it's what we've come to expect from bitter and twisted remoaners on here.

The official Vote Leave campaign is NOT being investigated, and since the electoral commission made allegations against the official Vote Leave campaign earlier this year nothing has come of it, surprise, surprise (maybe because there was no real evidence and the allegations were trumped up politically motivated lies).

The campaign being talked about in today's news is Leave.Eu (run by Aaron Banks) which to be perfectly clear was NOT the official Vote Leave campaign. In response to the accusations Aaron Banks released a statement saying he welcomed the referral to the National Crime agency so that he and his colleagues at Leave.Eu could have their names cleared against what he called "ludicrous accusations".

He went onto say that the electoral commission had no evidence and had presented no evidence to back up their accusations and that the money donated to Leave.Eu was all legal and above board and he had records to prove it. The money Aaron Banks donated to Leave causes during the referendum (around £8 million) was all his own money coming from his own companies, and as a UK national paying UK tax on his UK business he was fully entitled to donate that money within the limits of UK law. "

Then he has nothing to worry about. Or hide.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

It will be quite funny if the chief financier of one of the brexit campaigns ends up going to prison because he used his money that he had stashed off shore to avoid tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners"

I think that's the kind of attitude that tarnishes leave voters

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"It will be quite funny if the chief financier of one of the brexit campaigns ends up going to prison because he used his money that he had stashed off shore to avoid tax."

It’s certainly quite ironic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s not going to make any difference

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners"

you spit on all of them? That's a lot of spit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoanersyou spit on all of them?"

That's an interesting view that if the UK doesn't get a deal & everything's a disaster then that is the remainers fault lol

The only people screaming for a no deal ARE leavers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

now mrs maygabe is struggling to distance herself from her involvement in a cover up of a previous investigation that she blocked as home secretary a couple of years ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"now mrs maygabe is struggling to distance herself from her involvement in a cover up of a previous investigation that she blocked as home secretary a couple of years ago "
not familiar with this .... of what : who ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"now mrs maygabe is struggling to distance herself from her involvement in a cover up of a previous investigation that she blocked as home secretary a couple of years ago not familiar with this .... of what : who ?"

Aaron Banks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"now mrs maygabe is struggling to distance herself from her involvement in a cover up of a previous investigation that she blocked as home secretary a couple of years ago not familiar with this .... of what : who ?

Aaron Banks"

investigation into what ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"now mrs maygabe is struggling to distance herself from her involvement in a cover up of a previous investigation that she blocked as home secretary a couple of years ago not familiar with this .... of what : who ?

Aaron Banksinvestigation into what ? "

His finances

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and the fella who made 'brexit:the movie' at bank's behest ... today he's been charged with fraud to the tune of half a mill ... the truth is outing now as regards the piggies behind brexit and how much snout action they've been getting in the political greed trough

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

It's still happening though and is now irreversible.

#getoverit

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"It's still happening though and is now irreversible.

#getoverit"

True, and best not to mention the £9 million quid of taxpayers money that Cameron gave to the remain campaign, which was not equally afforded to the Leave campaign.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Remainers will stop at nothing to disrespect the democratic vote of the country.

When will they get it,we are leaving and what wil be will be.If we do not get a deal the remainers cannot moan if it is a disaster because it will be there fault.

I spit on all remoaners"

Why is questioning whether something is illegal, or not, disrespecting a democratic vote? In effect, youre saying that you have no interest in the rule of law.

Oh, and if Brexit is a disaster, it will be because idiots in government have failed to discharge their duties properly, not because of "remoaners"

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"It's still happening though and is now irreversible.

#getoverit

True, and best not to mention the £9 million quid of taxpayers money that Cameron gave to the remain campaign, which was not equally afforded to the Leave campaign. "

The #9m was legal. Potentially the #8m was not. Therein lies the difference. Even if it is shown to be illegal, it shouldnt make any difference to Brexit, but it would be enjoyable watching Banks get his come uppance. His arrogance when at the recent Select Committee was breathtaking.

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

Wouldn’t it be great if we could all work together and make Brexit work regardless of what our personal views are. Why is there so many people on here waiting to say “I told you so “, it’s like “ The Frog and Scorpion “

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Wouldn’t it be great if we could all work together and make Brexit work regardless of what our personal views are. Why is there so many people on here waiting to say “I told you so “, it’s like “ The Frog and Scorpion “ "

I'm sure Mrs May tells her Cabinet and Party the same thing. Unfortunately, no-one seems to listen.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Wouldn’t it be great if we could all work together and make Brexit work regardless of what our personal views are. Why is there so many people on here waiting to say “I told you so “, it’s like “ The Frog and Scorpion “ "

The only hope there ever could have been for Brexit to be made to work for everyone was for the Govt to do two things:

1) Detach the Brexit process from mainstream politics and make the organisation of it a cross party responsibility.

2) Accept that the final destination be a reflection of the mandate indicated in the referendum.

The divisions exist because of the way the Theresa May is pursuing solely her vision of Brexit which is not in line with her Cabinet, with The Conservative Party, with Parliament and with the country. The decision was taken Nationally, by supporters of all different political persuasions and so the implemention should be made by political representatives of all parties. At least in this way the final compromise may be enough to carry as close as possible to 100% of the country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn’t it be great if we could all work together and make Brexit work regardless of what our personal views are. Why is there so many people on here waiting to say “I told you so “, it’s like “ The Frog and Scorpion “ "

Wouldn’t it be even greater if we didn’t have to deal with this Brexit disaster at all and we could just stay prosperous and in Europe?

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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago

omagh


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified."

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules."

Or looking after themselves? The EU is looking at clamping down on tax havens, and despite those who think differently, the UK government is watering down these rules for UK as a sovereign state can. So they are protecting their own and not looking after the guy on the street!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules."

I assume you’re trolling. This can’t be real can it?

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules."

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt"

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"It's still happening though and is now irreversible.

#getoverit"

The only thing that's irreversible is us staying in. Even if we leave we'll only join again later.

#OldBrexitVotersDying #GetOverItYourSelf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU."

Half true - yes you are PARTIALLY CORRECT but the FTA doesn't cover everything which we the UK have as members of the EU.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"It's still happening though and is now irreversible.

#getoverit

The only thing that's irreversible is us staying in. Even if we leave we'll only join again later.

#OldBrexitVotersDying #GetOverItYourSelf"

You're wrong to assume the EU would ever let us rejoin. France never wanted us to join in the first place, and blackballed us a couple of times when we attempted to join first time around. If you think they'd just let us back in with open arms after Brexit you're deluded.

#Franceblackballedukagain

#Nogoingback

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Half true - yes you are PARTIALLY CORRECT but the FTA doesn't cover everything which we the UK have as members of the EU."

Canadas free trade deal covers around 97% of the market, tariff free. And you're correct the Canada/EU FTA doesn't mirror membership of the EU, as crucially Canada doesn't have to accept free movement of people from the EU.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU."

Yes, you are correct Centy, Canada is another free trade deal will will lose when we leave the EU.

It sounds like you are starting to finally understand this.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Half true - yes you are PARTIALLY CORRECT but the FTA doesn't cover everything which we the UK have as members of the EU.

Canadas free trade deal covers around 97% of the market, tariff free. And you're correct the Canada/EU FTA doesn't mirror membership of the EU, as crucially Canada doesn't have to accept free movement of people from the EU."

I don’t know much about Canadian trade treaties. But I assume, like all your posts, you’ve either not correctly interpreted the information and you haven’t criticality thought it through.

To me this sounds like you’re saying Canada and the EU are trading successfully. So the logical conclusion would be, great, let’s stay in the EU and avail of this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Half true - yes you are PARTIALLY CORRECT but the FTA doesn't cover everything which we the UK have as members of the EU.

Canadas free trade deal covers around 97% of the market, tariff free. And you're correct the Canada/EU FTA doesn't mirror membership of the EU, as crucially Canada doesn't have to accept free movement of people from the EU."

thats 97% of goods market isn’t it ? Services is less well covered (eg financial services)

Either which way I can’t see how this is better for the “hidden businessman”’ than what we have now, at least from a trade with the EU perspective.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Yes, you are correct Centy, Canada is another free trade deal will will lose when we leave the EU.

It sounds like you are starting to finally understand this.

-Matt

"

We'll be doing our own bilateral free trade deal with Canada after Brexit. And as the UK economy is bigger than Canada's the UK will have the upper hand in any trade deal with Canada.

It sounds like you are finally starting to understand this.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Half true - yes you are PARTIALLY CORRECT but the FTA doesn't cover everything which we the UK have as members of the EU.

Canadas free trade deal covers around 97% of the market, tariff free. And you're correct the Canada/EU FTA doesn't mirror membership of the EU, as crucially Canada doesn't have to accept free movement of people from the EU.

I don’t know much about Canadian trade treaties. But I assume, like all your posts, you’ve either not correctly interpreted the information and you haven’t criticality thought it through.

To me this sounds like you’re saying Canada and the EU are trading successfully. So the logical conclusion would be, great, let’s stay in the EU and avail of this."

So you open by saying you don't know much about Canada's trade deals and then you go on to say what I've said is false? How would you know if it's true or false If by your own admission you "don't know much about it". Here's a suggestion, go and do some research before you jump in the deep end and post about things you don't understand.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Yes, you are correct Centy, Canada is another free trade deal will will lose when we leave the EU.

It sounds like you are starting to finally understand this.

-Matt

We'll be doing our own bilateral free trade deal with Canada after Brexit. And as the UK economy is bigger than Canada's the UK will have the upper hand in any trade deal with Canada.

It sounds like you are finally starting to understand this. "

So the biggest economy has the upper hand does it?

So what was all that blathering on about the UK having the upper hand with the EU negotiations then?

-Matt

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"It's still happening though and is now irreversible.

#getoverit

The only thing that's irreversible is us staying in. Even if we leave we'll only join again later.

#OldBrexitVotersDying #GetOverItYourSelf

You're wrong to assume the EU would ever let us rejoin. France never wanted us to join in the first place, and blackballed us a couple of times when we attempted to join first time around. If you think they'd just let us back in with open arms after Brexit you're deluded.

#Franceblackballedukagain

#Nogoingback

"

But we did join didn't we.

#NoHopeForBrexit #CompleteWasteOfTimeAndMoney

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Half true - yes you are PARTIALLY CORRECT but the FTA doesn't cover everything which we the UK have as members of the EU.

Canadas free trade deal covers around 97% of the market, tariff free. And you're correct the Canada/EU FTA doesn't mirror membership of the EU, as crucially Canada doesn't have to accept free movement of people from the EU.

I don’t know much about Canadian trade treaties. But I assume, like all your posts, you’ve either not correctly interpreted the information and you haven’t criticality thought it through.

To me this sounds like you’re saying Canada and the EU are trading successfully. So the logical conclusion would be, great, let’s stay in the EU and avail of this.

So you open by saying you don't know much about Canada's trade deals and then you go on to say what I've said is false? How would you know if it's true or false If by your own admission you "don't know much about it". Here's a suggestion, go and do some research before you jump in the deep end and post about things you don't understand. "

You don't understand most things in your copy and paste posts so fair's fair in my view

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Half true - yes you are PARTIALLY CORRECT but the FTA doesn't cover everything which we the UK have as members of the EU.

Canadas free trade deal covers around 97% of the market, tariff free. And you're correct the Canada/EU FTA doesn't mirror membership of the EU, as crucially Canada doesn't have to accept free movement of people from the EU.

I don’t know much about Canadian trade treaties. But I assume, like all your posts, you’ve either not correctly interpreted the information and you haven’t criticality thought it through.

To me this sounds like you’re saying Canada and the EU are trading successfully. So the logical conclusion would be, great, let’s stay in the EU and avail of this.

So you open by saying you don't know much about Canada's trade deals and then you go on to say what I've said is false? How would you know if it's true or false If by your own admission you "don't know much about it". Here's a suggestion, go and do some research before you jump in the deep end and post about things you don't understand. "

I didn’t say what you were saying was false. If you read my post properly you will see I have assumed that what you said is factually correct.

How do you get through life on a daily basis with such confusion and anger in you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Half true - yes you are PARTIALLY CORRECT but the FTA doesn't cover everything which we the UK have as members of the EU.

Canadas free trade deal covers around 97% of the market, tariff free. And you're correct the Canada/EU FTA doesn't mirror membership of the EU, as crucially Canada doesn't have to accept free movement of people from the EU."

Doesn't cover services - we are 80% services!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Half true - yes you are PARTIALLY CORRECT but the FTA doesn't cover everything which we the UK have as members of the EU.

Canadas free trade deal covers around 97% of the market, tariff free. And you're correct the Canada/EU FTA doesn't mirror membership of the EU, as crucially Canada doesn't have to accept free movement of people from the EU.

Doesn't cover services - we are 80% services! "

actually a correction - it has limited services provisions whereas my post my have the impression of NO services!

Factcheck.org for verification.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Reckon it was a conglomerate of Brexiteer businessmen, possibly with offshore investments, who didn't want to be identified.

Yea but if they are business persons from the UK whats wrong with that after all they doing what they think is best for the UK in the future. Being business persons they dont want to weaken the UK.

They want to trade with the bigger world with out paying EU tariffs on goods used in the UK. In turn making goods lower priced here. Logic rules.

Yes, logic does rule.

So, I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. Yes, a business-person in the UK would not want tariffs from EU supplies on their goods, so if they have any sense would want to remain (as most seem to want to) in the EU or at least the customs union.

The only ones that want out of the EU it seems are the ones trying to avoid labour laws and rights, or anti-tax avoidance laws.

-Matt

Canada is not in the EU or the customs union, and yet trades with the EU tariff free. It's called a free trade deal which the UK is currently negotiating with the EU.

Half true - yes you are PARTIALLY CORRECT but the FTA doesn't cover everything which we the UK have as members of the EU.

Canadas free trade deal covers around 97% of the market, tariff free. And you're correct the Canada/EU FTA doesn't mirror membership of the EU, as crucially Canada doesn't have to accept free movement of people from the EU.

I don’t know much about Canadian trade treaties. But I assume, like all your posts, you’ve either not correctly interpreted the information and you haven’t criticality thought it through.

To me this sounds like you’re saying Canada and the EU are trading successfully. So the logical conclusion would be, great, let’s stay in the EU and avail of this.

So you open by saying you don't know much about Canada's trade deals and then you go on to say what I've said is false? How would you know if it's true or false If by your own admission you "don't know much about it". Here's a suggestion, go and do some research before you jump in the deep end and post about things you don't understand.

I didn’t say what you were saying was false. If you read my post properly you will see I have assumed that what you said is factually correct.

How do you get through life on a daily basis with such confusion and anger in you?"

You said I had "not interpreted the information correctly", that's calling what I said false in other words.

The only confusion and anger here exists in your own mind, there's certainty none on my part, you've created this illusion in your own head.

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over a year ago


"

Ladies....the alternative to spitting is swallowing....."

Than you for this

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

We'll be doing our own bilateral free trade deal with Europe after Brexit. And as the EU economy is bigger than the UK's, the EU will have the upper hand in any trade deal with UK.

It sounds like you are finally starting to understand this. "

Fixed it for you.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Remember there were two "leave" organisations.

There was the main or official one, and then the one Banks was behind.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Wouldn’t it be great if we could all work together and make Brexit work regardless of what our personal views are. Why is there so many people on here waiting to say “I told you so “, it’s like “ The Frog and Scorpion “ "

It's the conservative party that has created the problem. I assume that most people on here want the best for the country, whichever way they voted, which of course may not tally with their current view and the final deal offer details will influence everyone in take a decision on what will then be the right thing to do.

Confusing strong opinion with the equivalent of a kamikaze death wish for the country, to prove a point, is mistaking people here, Imo.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Well the ICOs investigation on Bank’s Eldon Insurance and Leave.eu is now live in parliament. Only 5 minutes in and already so far shown Banks was lying about them being kept separate.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it's looking more and more like banks has been rinsing cash from nefarious means through the political system itself ... it could even end up closing the door of international money movement that the milk snatcher opened in the early 80's

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"it's looking more and more like banks has been rinsing cash from nefarious means through the political system itself ... it could even end up closing the door of international money movement that the milk snatcher opened in the early 80's "

The fact that SCL, and Cambridge Analytica have been brought up in this too shows just how far the tentacles reach. But yes, it sounds like Banks’ grubby dealing and greed will be his undoing in this case.

-Matt

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Remember there were two "leave" organisations.

There was the main or official one, and then the one Banks was behind."

So are you suggesting that because Banks, Farage and Co were not the official Leave group - they were ignored and everything they did, said and published was irrelevant?

The cumulative effect of the lies and misinformation spread by the Leave “side” was enough to win a slender victory. This includes the now alleged illegal shenanigans by Banks, Johnson’s Big Red Bus and the dismissing of “experts” by Gove - to name just a few.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Remember there were two "leave" organisations.

There was the main or official one, and then the one Banks was behind.

So are you suggesting that because Banks, Farage and Co were not the official Leave group - they were ignored and everything they did, said and published was irrelevant?

The cumulative effect of the lies and misinformation spread by the Leave “side” was enough to win a slender victory. This includes the now alleged illegal shenanigans by Banks, Johnson’s Big Red Bus and the dismissing of “experts” by Gove - to name just a few."

Also to try and claim that the leave campaign run by the leader of the party that has spent the past few decades on the single issue of campaigning to leave the EU, is not relevant is just laughable.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it's looking more and more like they will test out the gdpr laws on banks .... possibly even using one charge at a time so he racks up several sets of maximum fine and bogs him down in expensive litigation

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Remember there were two "leave" organisations.

There was the main or official one, and then the one Banks was behind.

So are you suggesting that because Banks, Farage and Co were not the official Leave group - they were ignored and everything they did, said and published was irrelevant?

The cumulative effect of the lies and misinformation spread by the Leave “side” was enough to win a slender victory. This includes the now alleged illegal shenanigans by Banks, Johnson’s Big Red Bus and the dismissing of “experts” by Gove - to name just a few.

Also to try and claim that the leave campaign run by the leader of the party that has spent the past few decades on the single issue of campaigning to leave the EU, is not relevant is just laughable.

-Matt"

My word, some of you should enter the Olympics, such are your jumping skills!

Can anyone show me where I said anything of the sort ?

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over a year ago


"Remember there were two "leave" organisations.

There was the main or official one, and then the one Banks was behind."

the NCA will be going through the data flow betwixt the two with a very fine toothed comb as we speak ... there's a chance that more persons of note from the official campaign will be sucked into the shit-vortex that brexcrement has become

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Remember there were two "leave" organisations.

There was the main or official one, and then the one Banks was behind.

So are you suggesting that because Banks, Farage and Co were not the official Leave group - they were ignored and everything they did, said and published was irrelevant?

The cumulative effect of the lies and misinformation spread by the Leave “side” was enough to win a slender victory. This includes the now alleged illegal shenanigans by Banks, Johnson’s Big Red Bus and the dismissing of “experts” by Gove - to name just a few.

Also to try and claim that the leave campaign run by the leader of the party that has spent the past few decades on the single issue of campaigning to leave the EU, is not relevant is just laughable.

-Matt

My word, some of you should enter the Olympics, such are your jumping skills!

Can anyone show me where I said anything of the sort ?"

Oh sorry, I misunderstood you. I didn’t realise you were pointing out that there were two leave campaigns to say they were both being fined and under investigation. I thought you were bringing up the difference to try and distance the ‘official’ one from the one run by Farage.

-Matt

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Aaron Banks company and Leave.EU fined £135,000 for illegal use of personal data. Information Commissioner Office.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Aaron Banks company and Leave.EU fined £135,000 for illegal use of personal data. Information Commissioner Office.

"

A drop in the ocean and probably in his, and others eyes a price worth paying for the end result.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Aaron Banks company and Leave.EU fined £135,000 for illegal use of personal data. Information Commissioner Office.

A drop in the ocean and probably in his, and others eyes a price worth paying for the end result."

Im sure they do. Shame isnt part of their vocabulary. The irony is that theyre happy to use illegal and undemocratic means to get what they believe to be democracy.

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Indeed. Banks tweeted: “So what?”

So we have the cheerleader for the rule of British law in Britain deciding it’s only for little people, not big-time s like him.

Hubris.

In Parliament, the Electoral Commission was quizzed about the £8m.

They traced it to the Isle of Man, which made the expenditure illegal. Asked if they thought the original source was Russia, the EC said it did not have the powers to deduce that, hence it had passed to the National Crime Agency.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Indeed. Banks tweeted: “So what?”

So we have the cheerleader for the rule of British law in Britain deciding it’s only for little people, not big-time s like him.

Hubris.

In Parliament, the Electoral Commission was quizzed about the £8m.

They traced it to the Isle of Man, which made the expenditure illegal. Asked if they thought the original source was Russia, the EC said it did not have the powers to deduce that, hence it had passed to the National Crime Agency.

"

Banks and his sidekicks are revolting creatures.....their performance at the select committee earlier in the year was evidence enough of the contempt that they have for democratic process, the rule of law and common courtesy. They say prode comes before a fall: we can only hope that comes true with shower of shysters

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

* Pride too

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Aaron Banks company and Leave.EU fined £135,000 for illegal use of personal data. Information Commissioner Office.

A drop in the ocean and probably in his, and others eyes a price worth paying for the end result."

True, but as Banks is now claiming that his insurance company does £100's of millions worth of insurance business every year in UK proper, employs thousands and it is from the profits of that company (that according to Banks when giving evidence to Parliament and doing tax returns does no business and is nothing but a shell company) there have to be tax, VAT, NI and insurance accounting fraud cases going back years. I wonder if the tax and VAT man are going to quite so lenient?

Or is Banks counting on being able to buy his way out of jail with donations to the Tory party and the likes of BoJo and the Maybot.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Aaron Banks company and Leave.EU fined £135,000 for illegal use of personal data. Information Commissioner Office.

A drop in the ocean and probably in his, and others eyes a price worth paying for the end result."

In the hearing this morning the ICO commissioner repeatedly stated that they had fined the maximum they have been able to and that they had to fine under the rules they had at the time, and not the stronger GDPR rules they have now. Also with regards to Facebook she repeatedly pointed out that a power they now have is not just to fine, but to be able to demand the company stop processing information. Which as you can imagine would likely be a far bigger impact on Facebook or someone like Eldron Insurance.

-Matt

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Aaron Banks company and Leave.EU fined £135,000 for illegal use of personal data. Information Commissioner Office.

A drop in the ocean and probably in his, and others eyes a price worth paying for the end result.

True, but as Banks is now claiming that his insurance company does £100's of millions worth of insurance business every year in UK proper, employs thousands and it is from the profits of that company (that according to Banks when giving evidence to Parliament and doing tax returns does no business and is nothing but a shell company) there have to be tax, VAT, NI and insurance accounting fraud cases going back years. I wonder if the tax and VAT man are going to quite so lenient?

Or is Banks counting on being able to buy his way out of jail with donations to the Tory party and the likes of BoJo and the Maybot."

A lot of his business is registered offshore (IoM, Gib etc)

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Aaron Banks company and Leave.EU fined £135,000 for illegal use of personal data. Information Commissioner Office.

A drop in the ocean and probably in his, and others eyes a price worth paying for the end result.

True, but as Banks is now claiming that his insurance company does £100's of millions worth of insurance business every year in UK proper, employs thousands and it is from the profits of that company (that according to Banks when giving evidence to Parliament and doing tax returns does no business and is nothing but a shell company) there have to be tax, VAT, NI and insurance accounting fraud cases going back years. I wonder if the tax and VAT man are going to quite so lenient?

Or is Banks counting on being able to buy his way out of jail with donations to the Tory party and the likes of BoJo and the Maybot."

Aaron Banks isn't allowed anywhere near the Conservative Party. He left years ago to throw his weight behind UKIP, and despite many attempts to rejoin, he firmly remains "persona non gratis".

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


" A lot of his business is registered offshore (IoM, Gib etc) "

Yep, but as I understand it if you use offshore holding companies to hide things like a UK based workforce and its work product then that is fraudulent accounting. And Banks is now claiming that a company that has zero or next to zero accounted work product is actually the employer of thousands of staff generating 100's of millions of annual turnover.

That seems to me to be thousands of counts of accounting fraud annually, and if I can work this out in a matter of hours I expect the forensic accountants are already tracking down each fraud and drawing up the charge sheet.

Unfortunately there is 1 fly in the ointment that I know of:

Whereas the Serious Fraud Office had a statuary independence and could investigate and prosecute any fraud it became aware of the NCA is under the direct command of the Home Secretary who has the power to order the NCA to stop any investigation that the government does not wish to continue.

Now who here can see this government allowing this investigation to continue if, as it seems likely, it further undermines brexit? Personally I think that this is going to be kicked into the long grass, quietly dropped and Banks will show his gratitude come the next GE in the form of electoral campaign contributions.

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over a year ago


" A lot of his business is registered offshore (IoM, Gib etc)

Yep, but as I understand it if you use offshore holding companies to hide things like a UK based workforce and its work product then that is fraudulent accounting. And Banks is now claiming that a company that has zero or next to zero accounted work product is actually the employer of thousands of staff generating 100's of millions of annual turnover.

That seems to me to be thousands of counts of accounting fraud annually, and if I can work this out in a matter of hours I expect the forensic accountants are already tracking down each fraud and drawing up the charge sheet.

Unfortunately there is 1 fly in the ointment that I know of:

Whereas the Serious Fraud Office had a statuary independence and could investigate and prosecute any fraud it became aware of the NCA is under the direct command of the Home Secretary who has the power to order the NCA to stop any investigation that the government does not wish to continue.

Now who here can see this government allowing this investigation to continue if, as it seems likely, it further undermines brexit? Personally I think that this is going to be kicked into the long grass, quietly dropped and Banks will show his gratitude come the next GE in the form of electoral campaign contributions."

the torys will also be looking for a scapegoat to take the shit for what a failure brexcrement has become under the present government

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" A lot of his business is registered offshore (IoM, Gib etc)

Yep, but as I understand it if you use offshore holding companies to hide things like a UK based workforce and its work product then that is fraudulent accounting. And Banks is now claiming that a company that has zero or next to zero accounted work product is actually the employer of thousands of staff generating 100's of millions of annual turnover.

That seems to me to be thousands of counts of accounting fraud annually, and if I can work this out in a matter of hours I expect the forensic accountants are already tracking down each fraud and drawing up the charge sheet.

Unfortunately there is 1 fly in the ointment that I know of:

Whereas the Serious Fraud Office had a statuary independence and could investigate and prosecute any fraud it became aware of the NCA is under the direct command of the Home Secretary who has the power to order the NCA to stop any investigation that the government does not wish to continue.

Now who here can see this government allowing this investigation to continue if, as it seems likely, it further undermines brexit? Personally I think that this is going to be kicked into the long grass, quietly dropped and Banks will show his gratitude come the next GE in the form of electoral campaign contributions.

the torys will also be looking for a scapegoat to take the shit for what a failure brexcrement has become under the present government"

"All that glitters isn't gold"

Banks' insurance company is relatively "small fry" in insurance terms employing hundreds rather than thousands - less than 400!

The figures Banks quoted were premiums (turnover) so whilst it is a significant figure its not the whole picture.

He insures vehicles mainly and therefore there are claims. This has a significant factor on profit. A good vehicle insurance book "burns" @ 80% on average - (burn is tech jargon - ratio of claims to premiums ). It has been known for some books to burn at 200% - if there has been a major claim (multiple crash on motorway involving death and serious disability ). It takes 5 yrs for a major incident to pass before it affects the burn rate. In rare cases it could burn at 60%.

So taking his £250m and the insurance average means he has £50m left to pay staff, tax, NI, rents, rates, pensions etc etc so how much is left?

Bearing in mind the regulator in 2014 had concerns about Southern Rock being able to meet it's claims begs lots of questions. He showed a £34m trading loss so where has he got the £8m from? There's a lot more to come out on this!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"It's still happening though and is now irreversible.

#getoverit

True, and best not to mention the £9 million quid of taxpayers money that Cameron gave to the remain campaign, which was not equally afforded to the Leave campaign.

The #9m was legal. Potentially the #8m was not. Therein lies the difference. Even if it is shown to be illegal, it shouldnt make any difference to Brexit, but it would be enjoyable watching Banks get his come uppance. His arrogance when at the recent Select Committee was breathtaking. "

Call the £9 million of taxpayers money Cameron gave to remain legal if you like, it DOESN'T make it fair!

It was a blatant attempt by Cameron and Osborne to stack the deck in Remains favour, was deeply unfair and was underhanded and not to mention an appalling waste of taxpayers money. It was also not the kind of behaviour we expect from a democratically elected UK Prime minister, Cameron's behaviour in this matter was more akin to how a tin pot dictator like Robert Mugabe would've behaved in Zimbabwe.

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

All just part of the ongoing shambles made in the Conservative Party.

The referendum never was about the interests of the country, only those of the Conservative Party and how Cameron could stay in power.

It must be the first time in history that a political party (UKIP) got its manifesto implemented without winning a seat, never mind an election.

Cameron fled the scene as soon as it backfired, exposing the utter hollowness of the entire undertaking.

He will go down in history as one of the most reckless PMs ever. He lost one union and in all probability will be responsible for the loss of two or three more.

He inherited a country in a tier one global trading bloc and will probably live to see it become a peripheral state in the second or third tier of nations worldwide.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"All just part of the ongoing shambles made in the Conservative Party.

The referendum never was about the interests of the country, only those of the Conservative Party and how Cameron could stay in power.

It must be the first time in history that a political party (UKIP) got its manifesto implemented without winning a seat, never mind an election.

"

Ukip did win an election though. Ukip won the European MEP elections in the UK in 2014.

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Irrelevant in the context of domestic legislation and policy. Constitutional issues were, and still are, determined by UK elections, not European elections.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so much for the bollocks being spouted about the EU being undemocratic then

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Indeed.

The very fact a referendum took place ought to have exposed the myth the UK was not a sovereign state.

We pooled sovereignty in exchange for economic clout on a global scale.

We decided we did not want that. Now we discover, on issues like the Irish border, the inherent weakness of individual states versus global trading blocs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's still happening though and is now irreversible.

#getoverit

True, and best not to mention the £9 million quid of taxpayers money that Cameron gave to the remain campaign, which was not equally afforded to the Leave campaign.

The #9m was legal. Potentially the #8m was not. Therein lies the difference. Even if it is shown to be illegal, it shouldnt make any difference to Brexit, but it would be enjoyable watching Banks get his come uppance. His arrogance when at the recent Select Committee was breathtaking.

Call the £9 million of taxpayers money Cameron gave to remain legal if you like, it DOESN'T make it fair!

It was a blatant attempt by Cameron and Osborne to stack the deck in Remains favour, was deeply unfair and was underhanded and not to mention an appalling waste of taxpayers money. It was also not the kind of behaviour we expect from a democratically elected UK Prime minister, Cameron's behaviour in this matter was more akin to how a tin pot dictator like Robert Mugabe would've behaved in Zimbabwe. "

"Call the £9m...."

IT WAS , IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE LEGAL - FACT!

It was allowed in the rules get over it!

As far as fair is concerned - welcome to the club - the fact that leave cheated to win isn't FAIR - now you know how 16.4m feel!

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"It's still happening though and is now irreversible.

#getoverit

True, and best not to mention the £9 million quid of taxpayers money that Cameron gave to the remain campaign, which was not equally afforded to the Leave campaign.

The #9m was legal. Potentially the #8m was not. Therein lies the difference. Even if it is shown to be illegal, it shouldnt make any difference to Brexit, but it would be enjoyable watching Banks get his come uppance. His arrogance when at the recent Select Committee was breathtaking.

Call the £9 million of taxpayers money Cameron gave to remain legal if you like, it DOESN'T make it fair!

It was a blatant attempt by Cameron and Osborne to stack the deck in Remains favour, was deeply unfair and was underhanded and not to mention an appalling waste of taxpayers money. It was also not the kind of behaviour we expect from a democratically elected UK Prime minister, Cameron's behaviour in this matter was more akin to how a tin pot dictator like Robert Mugabe would've behaved in Zimbabwe.

"Call the £9m...."

IT WAS , IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE LEGAL - FACT!

It was allowed in the rules get over it!

As far as fair is concerned - welcome to the club - the fact that leave cheated to win isn't FAIR - now you know how 16.4m feel!"

...as opposed to the emails that Leave.eu sent out to Eldon Insurance customers, in a blatantly illegal use of personal data. For which they have actually be fined for.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Given brexit was, we were told, about sovereignty, democracy, and the uk rule of law, it is interesting to see the the split of those who are seemingly defending (or justifying) banks versus those who are not.

It seems the ends justify the means to many. Even if if the means goes against the ends.

This isn’t a question about fairness of the campaigns. That’s a false equivalence. It’s about our laws and protecting our democracy from nefarious influence (I’m not saying banks money is nefarious, this isn’t the debate)

And if there is a suspicion it should be investigated. To not, for fear of being called a witch hunt, is the political equivalence of not investigating someone for fear of being called racist.

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

Funny thing is is that one bird on the commission has got previous for misuse of public money.

You couldn’t make it up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Funny thing is is that one bird on the commission has got previous for misuse of public money.

You couldn’t make it up. "

Like to elaborate?

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london


"Funny thing is is that one bird on the commission has got previous for misuse of public money.

You couldn’t make it up.

Like to elaborate? "

Will PM her name in case you are not allowed if you send me one first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Funny thing is is that one bird on the commission has got previous for misuse of public money.

You couldn’t make it up.

Like to elaborate?

Will PM her name in case you are not allowed if you send me one first. "

I was not looking for a name but the source of your info - telegraph mail sun etc - so I can read and fact check it. Lots of fake news need to fact check.

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

I honestly can’t remember. Sorry

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Funny thing is is that one bird on the commission has got previous for misuse of public money.

You couldn’t make it up. "

Oh you could..

It's the new speak..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

email evidence has emerged and brings to light the digital paper trail which proves direct links between trump, bannon, cambridge analytica, banks, leave.eu and brexit ... here we go

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"email evidence has emerged and brings to light the digital paper trail which proves direct links between trump, bannon, cambridge analytica, banks, leave.eu and brexit ... here we go"

Horse.....door....bolted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"email evidence has emerged and brings to light the digital paper trail which proves direct links between trump, bannon, cambridge analytica, banks, leave.eu and brexit ... here we go

Horse.....door....bolted."

it's never too late to secentence an obnoxious racist lying criminal cunt to a prison term ... especially when the state wants to impress the point that the state does not like to be fucked with by jumped up toss pots

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"email evidence has emerged and brings to light the digital paper trail which proves direct links between trump, bannon, cambridge analytica, banks, leave.eu and brexit ... here we go

Horse.....door....bolted.

it's never too late to secentence an obnoxious racist lying criminal cunt to a prison term ... especially when the state wants to impress the point that the state does not like to be fucked with by jumped up toss pots "

Assuming someone is guilty....which hasn't yet been established veyind reasonable doubt.....it is too late to make a difference to the result and outcome, isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"email evidence has emerged and brings to light the digital paper trail which proves direct links between trump, bannon, cambridge analytica, banks, leave.eu and brexit ... here we go

Horse.....door....bolted.

it's never too late to secentence an obnoxious racist lying criminal cunt to a prison term ... especially when the state wants to impress the point that the state does not like to be fucked with by jumped up toss pots

Assuming someone is guilty....which hasn't yet been established veyind reasonable doubt.....it is too late to make a difference to the result and outcome, isn't it?"

ask someone who gives a shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw the documentary on Leave.EU - normally, when the press comes in, the staff are briefed, so all goes smoothly. Well what a sham, almost a Benny Hill sketch! However, it may have been, "couldn't give a shit - what are you going to do about it"?

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