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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock

American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I don't use their apps etc - the world outside of google services exists. It seems like this move could make it much clearer that they aren't particularly attractive as a company.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hassle yes. Slightly. Expense, really ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

don't use google ... simple

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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock


"don't use google ... simple"

As stated in the OP it's not just Google, it will also be other Google owned services, like YouTube, Gmail, Google maps and the Google play app store. Your phone is going to look pretty basic without some of those services.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

don't use google owned services .... simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"don't use google ... simple

As stated in the OP it's not just Google, it will also be other Google owned services, like YouTube, Gmail, Google maps and the Google play app store. Your phone is going to look pretty basic without some of those services. "

They would lose a load of revenue from advertising and share prices would tumble if people looked for alternative sorces

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I don't use their apps etc - the world outside of google services exists. It seems like this move could make it much clearer that they aren't particularly attractive as a company. "

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019. "

It will be very interesting to see how this goes. I don't see from Google's standpoint why they would then make an exception for the UK. And as you know we don't seem to be able to negotiate out way out of a paper bag at the moment.

-Matt

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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock


"don't use google ... simple

As stated in the OP it's not just Google, it will also be other Google owned services, like YouTube, Gmail, Google maps and the Google play app store. Your phone is going to look pretty basic without some of those services.

They would lose a load of revenue from advertising and share prices would tumble if people looked for alternative sorces "

What alternative sources? What realistic alternative is there to YouTube or Google play app store? Google for the most part has a monopoly on the market.

If you read the news story on this from Reuters then Google intends to make money on this by charging EU phone companies a licencing fee for use of its services to recoup the money it lost in EU fines. I can't see phone companies absorbing the extra costs involved and will most likely pass the expense onto customers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What alternative sources? What realistic alternative is there to YouTube or Google play app store? "

well if you don't know the answers to those simple questions then maybe you should google them

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Oooo back to Nokia! Exciting!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Which one is it though, you listed two different things, European customers, or European service suppliers.

Cause if it's the suppliers there needs to be a discussion about for example Samsung, who I think are still classed as South Korean phone supplier, yet arrange and have contracts with Google for pre-installing Microsoft software on their phones.

In addition, where's the tax billing address of Virgin Media, O2 ect? They dodge tax by being listed offshore, they can probably avoid this by being listed offshore.

If anything this is good. As it shows a massive business oversight and how money hungry the American corporates are, and bring again into public discussion tax avoidance and regulations.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I read it as manufacturers that want to supply pre-loaded Google phones into the EU will have to buy a license to do so.

They could offer other operating systems such as Microsoft and derivatives but would they want to?

They will just buy the license and add a charge onto each handset.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder what the response would have been if a technical note had said google would need to start charging (ala roaming fees).

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By *hechairman18Man
over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

Who needs Google?

My Girlfriend, knows EVERYTHING

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read it as manufacturers that want to supply pre-loaded Google phones into the EU will have to buy a license to do so.

They could offer other operating systems such as Microsoft and derivatives but would they want to?

They will just buy the license and add a charge onto each handset."

That's fair enough. Hardly how centy was portraying it. And no centy, if this is a corporate decision, then no, we likely cannot negotiate expemptions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If only we could be part of some kind of organisation with Europe, then we’d be in a much stronger position together to negotiate this kind of stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019. "
I agree with you mate i think google created more competition especially within the Sat Nav catagory, I use Google a lot they offer a huge range of services such as google docs which windows charge for. If google get forced to charge it will lead to Facebook having to as well as eBay as they all can be argued are leaders in there fields.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"don't use google ... simple

As stated in the OP it's not just Google, it will also be other Google owned services, like YouTube, Gmail, Google maps and the Google play app store. Your phone is going to look pretty basic without some of those services.

They would lose a load of revenue from advertising and share prices would tumble if people looked for alternative sorces

What alternative sources? What realistic alternative is there to YouTube or Google play app store? Google for the most part has a monopoly on the market.

If you read the news story on this from Reuters then Google intends to make money on this by charging EU phone companies a licencing fee for use of its services to recoup the money it lost in EU fines. I can't see phone companies absorbing the extra costs involved and will most likely pass the expense onto customers. "

Well there is always the Windows phone - but 500m customers lost - some will pay but a lot won't! As said advertising revenue will plummet - but we'll see. Out of curiosity why did Google get finded?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Got done under the EU anti-competitive laws.

Basically by selling smartphones already pre-loaded with the Google suite of 11 apps, which always pointed the user to Google.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Got done under the EU anti-competitive laws.

Basically by selling smartphones already pre-loaded with the Google suite of 11 apps, which always pointed the user to Google. "

Ah ok thanks - monopolies sometimes good sometimes bad!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019. "

actually...... oh centy..... I have some bad news for you.... you may end up eventually facing a potentially double whammy....

1) the same charge for the EU is being proposed for the UK.... even after brexit

2) UK customers will face potentially blocking from using their UK accounts in the EU since the UK will not longer be part of the European media market...(you know that story last week that uk people may not be able to use netflixs, youtube and bbc iplayer.... same would apply here)

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019.

actually...... oh centy..... I have some bad news for you.... you may end up eventually facing a potentially double whammy....

1) the same charge for the EU is being proposed for the UK.... even after brexit

2) UK customers will face potentially blocking from using their UK accounts in the EU since the UK will not longer be part of the European media market...(you know that story last week that uk people may not be able to use netflixs, youtube and bbc iplayer.... same would apply here)"
. Is this another fore cast from Fabio the forecaster,remind us how many you,ve got right up to now ?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


" Is this another fore cast from Fabio the forecaster,remind us how many you,ve got right up to now ? "

do you want to talk about the topic and the subject matter... or am i apparently living rent free in your head as you keep bringing me up time and time again??

centy talked about a topic... i replied to that topic with what he left out AND what was reported in the governments own technical notices on a no deal scenario last week....

so........ care to add to the actual topic, or do you just live here to score petty points?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fabio you’re my hero of the forums my friend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019. "

Downloading Google & Youtube app is additional hassle & expense...FUNNY you say that for this story yet you don't see any problem with the "additional hassle & expense" with probably needing a Visa to go to a EU Country after Brexit, or the "hassle & expense" of maybe requiring adittional driving permits.

So to answer as you have done in the past Centaur, get over it, it'll take 5 minutes & maybe a few quid to sort out at worst.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019.

Downloading Google & Youtube app is additional hassle & expense...FUNNY you say that for this story yet you don't see any problem with the "additional hassle & expense" with probably needing a Visa to go to a EU Country after Brexit, or the "hassle & expense" of maybe requiring adittional driving permits.

So to answer as you have done in the past Centaur, get over it, it'll take 5 minutes & maybe a few quid to sort out at worst.

"

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Who the hell still uses Google these days!?

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By *over me with CumCouple
over a year ago

Near Spalding.


"Who the hell still uses Google these days!?"

Google it.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"Who the hell still uses Google these days!?

Google it."

DuckDuckGo it

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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock


"I read it as manufacturers that want to supply pre-loaded Google phones into the EU will have to buy a license to do so.

They could offer other operating systems such as Microsoft and derivatives but would they want to?

They will just buy the license and add a charge onto each handset.

That's fair enough. Hardly how centy was portraying it. And no centy, if this is a corporate decision, then no, we likely cannot negotiate expemptions. "

We shall see. Google have said this only applies to the EU, and after March 2019 the UK shall no longer be in the EU. Therefore it's reasonable to assume these measures won't affect the UK after we've left the EU.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019. "

A crock of s*it as usual mate.

Don't get me wrong, I am a massive Google fan but this announcement is basically just saying that their apps won't come pre-installed.

As an end user you'll be able to download and use for free. You'll also have more choice about using alternatives if you want.

Damn the pesky EU for wanting you to have more freedom!

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019.

A crock of s*it as usual mate.

Don't get me wrong, I am a massive Google fan but this announcement is basically just saying that their apps won't come pre-installed.

As an end user you'll be able to download and use for free. You'll also have more choice about using alternatives if you want.

Damn the pesky EU for wanting you to have more freedom!"

PS. It'll also take no extra effort as you can get a device mirror app that copies across all your apps automatically. You need to run that to copy across your contacts anyway.

So, no extra expense and no extra time. Thanks for trying though

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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019.

A crock of s*it as usual mate.

Don't get me wrong, I am a massive Google fan but this announcement is basically just saying that their apps won't come pre-installed.

As an end user you'll be able to download and use for free. You'll also have more choice about using alternatives if you want.

Damn the pesky EU for wanting you to have more freedom!"

You really do live in cloud cuckoo land don't you, try actually reading what Google themselves have said on this. Google have said they will be charging an additional new licencing fee within the EU for these new measures, now whether the phone companies in the EU absorb these costs or they decide to pass the additional costs onto customers remains to be seen, but one way or the other it'll be more expensive to get Google services in the EU with the introduction of these measures.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or not pay google. Not charge the consumer. And let the individual download them if they so desire.

Okay that may take a few seconds longer than today. But let’s not pretend this is anything more than an EU bashing. As has been pointed out you’ve been a lot more forgiving of more cost and inconvenience off the back of the technical notes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019.

A crock of s*it as usual mate.

Don't get me wrong, I am a massive Google fan but this announcement is basically just saying that their apps won't come pre-installed.

As an end user you'll be able to download and use for free. You'll also have more choice about using alternatives if you want.

Damn the pesky EU for wanting you to have more freedom!

You really do live in cloud cuckoo land don't you, try actually reading what Google themselves have said on this. Google have said they will be charging an additional new licencing fee within the EU for these new measures, now whether the phone companies in the EU absorb these costs or they decide to pass the additional costs onto customers remains to be seen, but one way or the other it'll be more expensive to get Google services in the EU with the introduction of these measures. "

Project fear! What loose 500m customers! We buy more off them..... Alternative facts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or not pay google. Not charge the consumer. And let the individual download them if they so desire.

Okay that may take a few seconds longer than today. But let’s not pretend this is anything more than an EU bashing. As has been pointed out you’ve been a lot more forgiving of more cost and inconvenience off the back of the technical notes. "

Indeed, but as per norm.... it's all gone quiet on that point

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

This is actually pretty good news.

This is the same type of ruling Microsoft was on the receiving end of from the EU because it killed the browser market in the 90s by bundling Internet Explorer with Windows. As a direct result of that we've seen better competition and innovation since then with the likew of Google themselves investing in Chrome.

The licensing fee wont be anything end users need to worry about. Microsoft charges pc and laptop companies for Windows as well and its done use no harm and Google sells ads and they need eyeballs on search which is what theyre talking about unbundling so the fee wont be excessive because they need users using search.

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By *ocketman99Man
over a year ago

fermanagh


"American tech giant Google has announced it will charge European smartphone companies/customers operating in the EU a licencing fee for use of its services like Gmail, YouTube, maps and the Google play app store. They currently are pre installed onto all new smartphones in the box but Google announce this will no longer be the case in the EU. It comes after the EU hit Google with a massive anti competition fine running into billions and this is Googles response. So buying a new smart phone in the EU will now have the additional hassle and expense of downloading and paying for Google services.

Let's hope the UK can negotiate an exemption from this with Google after we leave the EU in March 2019. "

From what I could gather, they are going to license (charge) manufacturers of smart phones THAT use the android platform! There is no mention of consumers being charged directly, and I cannot see how a phone company could pass on charges for a customer using google maps, YouTube, google translate and the rest!! Furthermore would google attempt to introduce costs right across their productivity suite for iPhones? What app of Google’s would a iPhone be reliant on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just a total none story

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