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"Hate to tell you this but now the withdrawal bill has been ratified the option would have to be seek to rejoin." A week is a long time in politics... there’s nothing that can’t be changed. | |||
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"Surely the people's vote would be: Agree with the deal. Or No deal. There would be no "remain", as we're already leaving." No, you could have “Remain” on there too - you wouldn’t just want a “Bad deal” or “Catastrophic No Deal” option. There has to be an opportunity to re-think, now the lies and misinformation have been exposed. In any case, there still isn’t a Deal... | |||
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"Surely the people's vote would be: Agree with the deal. Or No deal. There would be no "remain", as we're already leaving." Nntha That's incorrect. The option remains to cancel the notification and plan to leave as the zEU and UK government officials have emphasised. In.any event, parliament has to accept or reject the negotiated deal - reject obviously gives a different trajectory compared to accept | |||
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"Surely the people's vote would be: Agree with the deal. Or No deal. There would be no "remain", as we're already leaving. Nntha That's incorrect. The option remains to cancel the notification and plan to leave as the zEU and UK government officials have emphasised. In.any event, parliament has to accept or reject the negotiated deal - reject obviously gives a different trajectory compared to accept " Probably be leaving with no deal then i expect. | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit" No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October 20th? Personally, I would prefer a sincere statesman/woman to come forward and stop Brexit - to explain that there is no Brexit Plan that will satisfy those that voted for it and that Brexit will only be detrimental to individuals and to the nation as a whole. But strangely, that is still considered political suicide, so it looks like the only saving grace for politicians' credibility {lol!!!!) will be a People's Vote wih the choice to remain, of course. Anyway, who else is thinking of going? Maybe we could meet up beforehand for a coffee, or beer, or afterwards? #SwingingAgainstBrexit" lmao why didn’t you just say looking for a meet the shit ppl try on here just to meet up lol | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way." Agree with most of your points. A 2nd referendum would not solve the problems the UK faces. If remain won then all your doing is swapping one pissed off side for the other! We have to leave, and leave then have to prove they were right and UK is the beacon of the world. However the big question is how long do you give it? Every single deal done will be scrutinized to the nth degree and compared. If it goes wrong then we will have trouble but it's got to be "seen to be believed " - leave have got to "deliver" the success it promised! Time will tell. | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way." If there was a truly electable opposition. We would not be in this mess now. We are where we are because the Labour Party is ineffectual, unelectable and unable to combat the most incompetent Govt in living memory. U.K. politics is in a bad place where it seems that those who shout loudest win the argument no matter how idiotic the argument might be. | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. Agree with most of your points. A 2nd referendum would not solve the problems the UK faces. If remain won then all your doing is swapping one pissed off side for the other! We have to leave, and leave then have to prove they were right and UK is the beacon of the world. However the big question is how long do you give it? Every single deal done will be scrutinized to the nth degree and compared. If it goes wrong then we will have trouble but it's got to be "seen to be believed " - leave have got to "deliver" the success it promised! Time will tell." The problem isn’t that we have a “pissed off side”. The problems are that we’re on course for financial ruin as a country, won’t be able to freely travel and work in Europe, workers rights will be removed, environmental protection will be removed, international trade will become more expensive, NHS will suffer, trade deals with US so we will have meat full of growth hormones etc etc etc etc I don’t think remaining is a realistic option at his point, we’re travelling too far and too far towards the cliff. And those select few ultra rich elites who stand to gain more power from this mess have their collective feet pressed down hard on the accelerator. | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. Agree with most of your points. A 2nd referendum would not solve the problems the UK faces. If remain won then all your doing is swapping one pissed off side for the other! We have to leave, and leave then have to prove they were right and UK is the beacon of the world. However the big question is how long do you give it? Every single deal done will be scrutinized to the nth degree and compared. If it goes wrong then we will have trouble but it's got to be "seen to be believed " - leave have got to "deliver" the success it promised! Time will tell. The problem isn’t that we have a “pissed off side”. The problems are that we’re on course for financial ruin as a country, won’t be able to freely travel and work in Europe, workers rights will be removed, environmental protection will be removed, international trade will become more expensive, NHS will suffer, trade deals with US so we will have meat full of growth hormones etc etc etc etc I don’t think remaining is a realistic option at his point, we’re travelling too far and too far towards the cliff. And those select few ultra rich elites who stand to gain more power from this mess have their collective feet pressed down hard on the accelerator." "Grass is greener on the other side" - no easy solution that keeps everyone happy - hence the problem with the negotiations! You have got to accept the following : 1. Nobody thought we'd leave and therefore no plan in place. Cameron let the country down by poor leadership, planning and poor campaign! 2. May took on a poison chalice - her choice. 3. The Looney right pushed for A50 being triggered too soon before we had a plan in place. All the posturing "we don't want to show our hand" was utter bollocks. We had no plan until chequers! 4. If it goes wrong it is the fault of the right wing elements of the Tory party - they couldn't wait until we had an agreed plan. We are expected to put our hand in the fire - because they said it won't hurt? 5. Trust in politicians is absolutely zero and these half wits don't inspire confidence. Having said that IF they pull it off then great - but what happens if it goes horribly wrong? | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. Agree with most of your points. A 2nd referendum would not solve the problems the UK faces. If remain won then all your doing is swapping one pissed off side for the other! We have to leave, and leave then have to prove they were right and UK is the beacon of the world. However the big question is how long do you give it? Every single deal done will be scrutinized to the nth degree and compared. If it goes wrong then we will have trouble but it's got to be "seen to be believed " - leave have got to "deliver" the success it promised! Time will tell. The problem isn’t that we have a “pissed off side”. The problems are that we’re on course for financial ruin as a country, won’t be able to freely travel and work in Europe, workers rights will be removed, environmental protection will be removed, international trade will become more expensive, NHS will suffer, trade deals with US so we will have meat full of growth hormones etc etc etc etc I don’t think remaining is a realistic option at his point, we’re travelling too far and too far towards the cliff. And those select few ultra rich elites who stand to gain more power from this mess have their collective feet pressed down hard on the accelerator. "Grass is greener on the other side" - no easy solution that keeps everyone happy - hence the problem with the negotiations! You have got to accept the following : 1. Nobody thought we'd leave and therefore no plan in place. Cameron let the country down by poor leadership, planning and poor campaign! 2. May took on a poison chalice - her choice. 3. The Looney right pushed for A50 being triggered too soon before we had a plan in place. All the posturing "we don't want to show our hand" was utter bollocks. We had no plan until chequers! 4. If it goes wrong it is the fault of the right wing elements of the Tory party - they couldn't wait until we had an agreed plan. We are expected to put our hand in the fire - because they said it won't hurt? 5. Trust in politicians is absolutely zero and these half wits don't inspire confidence. Having said that IF they pull it off then great - but what happens if it goes horribly wrong?" I agree. It’s an impossible task being undertaken by a bunch of morons who only care about being re-elected and boosting their personal standing in society. | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October 20th? Personally, I would prefer a sincere statesman/woman to come forward and stop Brexit - to explain that there is no Brexit Plan that will satisfy those that voted for it and that Brexit will only be detrimental to individuals and to the nation as a whole. But strangely, that is still considered political suicide, so it looks like the only saving grace for politicians' credibility {lol!!!!) will be a People's Vote wih the choice to remain, of course. Anyway, who else is thinking of going? Maybe we could meet up beforehand for a coffee, or beer, or afterwards? #SwingingAgainstBrexit" I’m going on the People’s Vote March on Saturday. Happy to meet up with anyone else going. | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. Agree with most of your points. A 2nd referendum would not solve the problems the UK faces. If remain won then all your doing is swapping one pissed off side for the other! We have to leave, and leave then have to prove they were right and UK is the beacon of the world. However the big question is how long do you give it? Every single deal done will be scrutinized to the nth degree and compared. If it goes wrong then we will have trouble but it's got to be "seen to be believed " - leave have got to "deliver" the success it promised! Time will tell. The problem isn’t that we have a “pissed off side”. The problems are that we’re on course for financial ruin as a country, won’t be able to freely travel and work in Europe, workers rights will be removed, environmental protection will be removed, international trade will become more expensive, NHS will suffer, trade deals with US so we will have meat full of growth hormones etc etc etc etc I don’t think remaining is a realistic option at his point, we’re travelling too far and too far towards the cliff. And those select few ultra rich elites who stand to gain more power from this mess have their collective feet pressed down hard on the accelerator. "Grass is greener on the other side" - no easy solution that keeps everyone happy - hence the problem with the negotiations! You have got to accept the following : 1. Nobody thought we'd leave and therefore no plan in place. Cameron let the country down by poor leadership, planning and poor campaign! 2. May took on a poison chalice - her choice. 3. The Looney right pushed for A50 being triggered too soon before we had a plan in place. All the posturing "we don't want to show our hand" was utter bollocks. We had no plan until chequers! 4. If it goes wrong it is the fault of the right wing elements of the Tory party - they couldn't wait until we had an agreed plan. We are expected to put our hand in the fire - because they said it won't hurt? 5. Trust in politicians is absolutely zero and these half wits don't inspire confidence. Having said that IF they pull it off then great - but what happens if it goes horribly wrong? I agree. It’s an impossible task being undertaken by a bunch of morons who only care about being re-elected and boosting their personal standing in society." What is interesting is that those against everything to do with EU are all failed Tories. Redwood - failed to become leader Johnson - failed to challenge the leadership because Gove said he wasn't up to the job IDS - made it to leader only to fail Howard - as above Davies - lost to Cameron but led the negotiations. Remember his boast " it's was going to be a hell of a summer" - he rolled over and capitulated to the EU. Not so easy in practice is it Dave? Well time will tell. | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. If there was a truly electable opposition. We would not be in this mess now. We are where we are because the Labour Party is ineffectual, unelectable and unable to combat the most incompetent Govt in living memory. U.K. politics is in a bad place where it seems that those who shout loudest win the argument no matter how idiotic the argument might be." summed it up perfectly and I think it will remain this way until labour get shot of Corbyn | |||
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" The problem isn’t that we have a “pissed off side”. The problems are that we’re on course for financial ruin as a country, won’t be able to freely travel and work in Europe, workers rights will be removed, environmental protection will be removed, international trade will become more expensive, NHS will suffer, trade deals with US so we will have meat full of growth hormones etc etc etc etc I don’t think remaining is a realistic option at his point, we’re travelling too far and too far towards the cliff. And those select few ultra rich elites who stand to gain more power from this mess have their collective feet pressed down hard on the accelerator." Can you tell us which environmental protections or workers rights are going to be removed, why are we going to face financial ruin our exports to the EU are 12 % of gdp how much of that will we lose even if its a no deal hard brexit, who says you cant travel in europe, do you really think the likes of France or spain dont want your cash? As for working no one knows yet what will happen but if you are the best for the job no doubt you will still be employed there, just the same as loads of eu citizens will be here, you are just getting hysterical | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way." Well its been a long and tortured thread, but this remains one of the best thoughts. Personally I think Europe is a ship on the rocks. The idea of a Franco/German Empire of Mittle Europe is a pipe dream. It's all going to end very badly. | |||
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" The problem isn’t that we have a “pissed off side”. The problems are that we’re on course for financial ruin as a country, won’t be able to freely travel and work in Europe, workers rights will be removed, environmental protection will be removed, international trade will become more expensive, NHS will suffer, trade deals with US so we will have meat full of growth hormones etc etc etc etc I don’t think remaining is a realistic option at his point, we’re travelling too far and too far towards the cliff. And those select few ultra rich elites who stand to gain more power from this mess have their collective feet pressed down hard on the accelerator. Can you tell us which environmental protections or workers rights are going to be removed, why are we going to face financial ruin our exports to the EU are 12 % of gdp how much of that will we lose even if its a no deal hard brexit, who says you cant travel in europe, do you really think the likes of France or spain dont want your cash? As for working no one knows yet what will happen but if you are the best for the job no doubt you will still be employed there, just the same as loads of eu citizens will be here, you are just getting hysterical " Yawn. Not again, I answered all this stuff for you before. You refused to read any sources and just said “no”. So I am not going to waste time banging my head against this proverbial wall again | |||
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" The problem isn’t that we have a “pissed off side”. The problems are that we’re on course for financial ruin as a country, won’t be able to freely travel and work in Europe, workers rights will be removed, environmental protection will be removed, international trade will become more expensive, NHS will suffer, trade deals with US so we will have meat full of growth hormones etc etc etc etc I don’t think remaining is a realistic option at his point, we’re travelling too far and too far towards the cliff. And those select few ultra rich elites who stand to gain more power from this mess have their collective feet pressed down hard on the accelerator. Can you tell us which environmental protections or workers rights are going to be removed, why are we going to face financial ruin our exports to the EU are 12 % of gdp how much of that will we lose even if its a no deal hard brexit, who says you cant travel in europe, do you really think the likes of France or spain dont want your cash? As for working no one knows yet what will happen but if you are the best for the job no doubt you will still be employed there, just the same as loads of eu citizens will be here, you are just getting hysterical " Actually here in France we do know exactly what the "future" is going to be. As a third country- which we will be - we are allowed 90 days travel. Workwise same rule aplies - 3rd country status, however, France has already stated that any restrictions the UK imposes on its citizens the French will reciprocate - i.e. the £50,000 minimum pay requirement. It really does make it much more difficult if that limit is introduced - how many on here earn £50k? | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. Well its been a long and tortured thread, but this remains one of the best thoughts. Personally I think Europe is a ship on the rocks. The idea of a Franco/German Empire of Mittle Europe is a pipe dream. It's all going to end very badly. " The idea of France and Germany agreeing about anything for long is ridiculous. Soon the French will be surrendering to them again and the German flag will be dangling over L’arc! | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. Well its been a long and tortured thread, but this remains one of the best thoughts. Personally I think Europe is a ship on the rocks. The idea of a Franco/German Empire of Mittle Europe is a pipe dream. It's all going to end very badly. The idea of France and Germany agreeing about anything for long is ridiculous. Soon the French will be surrendering to them again and the German flag will be dangling over L’arc!" #casualxenophibia | |||
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" The problem isn’t that we have a “pissed off side”. The problems are that we’re on course for financial ruin as a country, won’t be able to freely travel and work in Europe, workers rights will be removed, environmental protection will be removed, international trade will become more expensive, NHS will suffer, trade deals with US so we will have meat full of growth hormones etc etc etc etc I don’t think remaining is a realistic option at his point, we’re travelling too far and too far towards the cliff. And those select few ultra rich elites who stand to gain more power from this mess have their collective feet pressed down hard on the accelerator. Can you tell us which environmental protections or workers rights are going to be removed, why are we going to face financial ruin our exports to the EU are 12 % of gdp how much of that will we lose even if its a no deal hard brexit, who says you cant travel in europe, do you really think the likes of France or spain dont want your cash? As for working no one knows yet what will happen but if you are the best for the job no doubt you will still be employed there, just the same as loads of eu citizens will be here, you are just getting hysterical Yawn. Not again, I answered all this stuff for you before. You refused to read any sources and just said “no”. So I am not going to waste time banging my head against this proverbial wall again " You answered nothing you just quoted various pressure groups etc that have absolutely no power to do anything its the government that makes the rules and they havent said they are changing anything. You still wont answer how much of our exports you think we will lose if we go WTO | |||
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" Actually here in France we do know exactly what the "future" is going to be. As a third country- which we will be - we are allowed 90 days travel. Workwise same rule aplies - 3rd country status, however, France has already stated that any restrictions the UK imposes on its citizens the French will reciprocate - i.e. the £50,000 minimum pay requirement. It really does make it much more difficult if that limit is introduced - how many on here earn £50k?" Cant see the uk putting a 50,000 limit on workers that would be stupid, didnt realise that us/canadian and oz citizens didnt need a visa for france for 90 day visits | |||
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" Actually here in France we do know exactly what the "future" is going to be. As a third country- which we will be - we are allowed 90 days travel. Workwise same rule aplies - 3rd country status, however, France has already stated that any restrictions the UK imposes on its citizens the French will reciprocate - i.e. the £50,000 minimum pay requirement. It really does make it much more difficult if that limit is introduced - how many on here earn £50k? Cant see the uk putting a 50,000 limit on workers that would be stupid, didnt realise that us/canadian and oz citizens didnt need a visa for france for 90 day visits" Unfortunately I can't find the link for the £50k salary - fairly recent though. The current situation so I am told is that passport is stamped on entry and valid for 90 days - according to a Canadian rental we had this year. There are diffrent types of visa available. | |||
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" Actually here in France we do know exactly what the "future" is going to be. As a third country- which we will be - we are allowed 90 days travel. Workwise same rule aplies - 3rd country status, however, France has already stated that any restrictions the UK imposes on its citizens the French will reciprocate - i.e. the £50,000 minimum pay requirement. It really does make it much more difficult if that limit is introduced - how many on here earn £50k? Cant see the uk putting a 50,000 limit on workers that would be stupid, didnt realise that us/canadian and oz citizens didnt need a visa for france for 90 day visits Unfortunately I can't find the link for the £50k salary - fairly recent though. The current situation so I am told is that passport is stamped on entry and valid for 90 days - according to a Canadian rental we had this year. There are diffrent types of visa available. " Of course there is a chance that it might not apply to the uk but if it does then travel will still be easy, I assume you will have a long term visa/residency one. | |||
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" The problem isn’t that we have a “pissed off side”. The problems are that we’re on course for financial ruin as a country, won’t be able to freely travel and work in Europe, workers rights will be removed, environmental protection will be removed, international trade will become more expensive, NHS will suffer, trade deals with US so we will have meat full of growth hormones etc etc etc etc I don’t think remaining is a realistic option at his point, we’re travelling too far and too far towards the cliff. And those select few ultra rich elites who stand to gain more power from this mess have their collective feet pressed down hard on the accelerator. Can you tell us which environmental protections or workers rights are going to be removed, why are we going to face financial ruin our exports to the EU are 12 % of gdp how much of that will we lose even if its a no deal hard brexit, who says you cant travel in europe, do you really think the likes of France or spain dont want your cash? As for working no one knows yet what will happen but if you are the best for the job no doubt you will still be employed there, just the same as loads of eu citizens will be here, you are just getting hysterical Yawn. Not again, I answered all this stuff for you before. You refused to read any sources and just said “no”. So I am not going to waste time banging my head against this proverbial wall again You answered nothing you just quoted various pressure groups etc that have absolutely no power to do anything its the government that makes the rules and they havent said they are changing anything. You still wont answer how much of our exports you think we will lose if we go WTO" Why would you ask me to answer this vaguely relevant question? For the record, this is the first time you’ve asked me. And the answer is I have no idea. | |||
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" Actually here in France we do know exactly what the "future" is going to be. As a third country- which we will be - we are allowed 90 days travel. Workwise same rule aplies - 3rd country status, however, France has already stated that any restrictions the UK imposes on its citizens the French will reciprocate - i.e. the £50,000 minimum pay requirement. It really does make it much more difficult if that limit is introduced - how many on here earn £50k? Cant see the uk putting a 50,000 limit on workers that would be stupid, didnt realise that us/canadian and oz citizens didnt need a visa for france for 90 day visits Unfortunately I can't find the link for the £50k salary - fairly recent though. The current situation so I am told is that passport is stamped on entry and valid for 90 days - according to a Canadian rental we had this year. There are diffrent types of visa available. Of course there is a chance that it might not apply to the uk but if it does then travel will still be easy, I assume you will have a long term visa/residency one. " Brexit proof here - made sure of that before the chaos begins - at a cost though. Translation costs alone were 1400€! French licences, medical cover etc etc. | |||
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" Why would you ask me to answer this vaguely relevant question? For the record, this is the first time you’ve asked me. And the answer is I have no idea." I ask it because you said we were heading for financial ruin, I assume you mean from the loss of our trade with the EU, if we agree a free traade deal then we wont lose trade if we go WTO we may lose some, I wanted to know how much you think we would lose if we do go WTO | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. Well its been a long and tortured thread, but this remains one of the best thoughts. Personally I think Europe is a ship on the rocks. The idea of a Franco/German Empire of Mittle Europe is a pipe dream. It's all going to end very badly. The idea of France and Germany agreeing about anything for long is ridiculous. Soon the French will be surrendering to them again and the German flag will be dangling over L’arc! #casualxenophibia" So what? | |||
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" Why would you ask me to answer this vaguely relevant question? For the record, this is the first time you’ve asked me. And the answer is I have no idea. I ask it because you said we were heading for financial ruin, I assume you mean from the loss of our trade with the EU, if we agree a free traade deal then we wont lose trade if we go WTO we may lose some, I wanted to know how much you think we would lose if we do go WTO " The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy. | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. Well its been a long and tortured thread, but this remains one of the best thoughts. Personally I think Europe is a ship on the rocks. The idea of a Franco/German Empire of Mittle Europe is a pipe dream. It's all going to end very badly. The idea of France and Germany agreeing about anything for long is ridiculous. Soon the French will be surrendering to them again and the German flag will be dangling over L’arc! #casualxenophibia So what?" At least you’re honest about it. Plenty of people on here who openly support Tommy Robinson or Farage etc who run to the moderators and get people banned at the slightest hint that they are a bigot. | |||
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" The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy." Dont know where you are getting your info but I looked updata centre requirements and came across a report from Peter judge who looks pretty pro remain from his comments and he said as long as we still abide by the GDPR rules data centres will still carry on as before. AS for student numbers according to study in the uk who collect student data there was a 5% rise in international enrollments in 2017. | |||
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" The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy. Dont know where you are getting your info but I looked updata centre requirements and came across a report from Peter judge who looks pretty pro remain from his comments and he said as long as we still abide by the GDPR rules data centres will still carry on as before. AS for student numbers according to study in the uk who collect student data there was a 5% rise in international enrollments in 2017. " As part of my job, I am responsible for some services provided from EU-located datacentres. In fact we go so far as to stipulate that the only people that can access or manage any customer data in those datacentres has to be an EU national. Now clearly I am about to suddenly no longer be an EU national. And hence I won't legally be allowed to do that part of my job, until my employer gets a whole new set of agreements in place with each and every customer (there are quite a few, I work for a very large company). And there may be some of those customers that decide that EU + UK is not acceptable. Because as of yet, we still have no idea what the UK actually will do with regards to data handling policies. -Matt | |||
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" The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy. Dont know where you are getting your info but I looked updata centre requirements and came across a report from Peter judge who looks pretty pro remain from his comments and he said as long as we still abide by the GDPR rules data centres will still carry on as before. AS for student numbers according to study in the uk who collect student data there was a 5% rise in international enrollments in 2017. As part of my job, I am responsible for some services provided from EU-located datacentres. In fact we go so far as to stipulate that the only people that can access or manage any customer data in those datacentres has to be an EU national. Now clearly I am about to suddenly no longer be an EU national. And hence I won't legally be allowed to do that part of my job, until my employer gets a whole new set of agreements in place with each and every customer (there are quite a few, I work for a very large company). And there may be some of those customers that decide that EU + UK is not acceptable. Because as of yet, we still have no idea what the UK actually will do with regards to data handling policies. -Matt" Isnt that racist ? | |||
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" I ask it because you said we were heading for financial ruin, I assume you mean from the loss of our trade with the EU, if we agree a free traade deal then we wont lose trade if we go WTO we may lose some, I wanted to know how much you think we would lose if we do go WTO " It is more than just the trading arrangements with the EU27 that are in jeopardy. A hard Brexit and the UK loses something like 72 other trading agreements around the globe. | |||
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" Cant see the uk putting a 50,000 limit on workers that would be stupid, didnt realise that us/canadian and oz citizens didnt need a visa for france for 90 day visits" I believe the UK threshold at present is £30k. | |||
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" The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy. Dont know where you are getting your info but I looked updata centre requirements and came across a report from Peter judge who looks pretty pro remain from his comments and he said as long as we still abide by the GDPR rules data centres will still carry on as before. AS for student numbers according to study in the uk who collect student data there was a 5% rise in international enrollments in 2017. " Universities will be negatively impacted by leaving the EU. 16% of all research funding in UK universities comes from the EU. | |||
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" Cant see the uk putting a 50,000 limit on workers that would be stupid, didnt realise that us/canadian and oz citizens didnt need a visa for france for 90 day visits I believe the UK threshold at present is £30k." Yes it is £30k and Javid hinted in his speech at the Tory Conference that he plans on increasing that threshold (he didnt specify to what level) | |||
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"I just wondered whether anyone else was considering going to the March on October #SwingingAgainstBrexit No. I voted in the referendum. Leave won. We had a General Election. One party had a 2nd referendum in its manifesto and was trounced. Yes, the whole thing is a shambles. Yes, the outcome leaves the UK demonstrably weaker. But I do not believe another referendum will resolve anything. Not least because you cannot have a referendum on something that it is not in the control of the Government to deliver, i.e. a deal with the EU. Any deal needs to be ratified by 27 other countries, the European Parliament and various regional assemblies. Imagine if the UK public approved a deal in a referendum, but Italy torpedoed it. I suspect a lot of people would be disenchanted with politicians even more. I understand the desire, but I'd prefer to see any change of course appear in a manifesto at a General Election and voted on in that way. Well its been a long and tortured thread, but this remains one of the best thoughts. Personally I think Europe is a ship on the rocks. The idea of a Franco/German Empire of Mittle Europe is a pipe dream. It's all going to end very badly. The idea of France and Germany agreeing about anything for long is ridiculous. Soon the French will be surrendering to them again and the German flag will be dangling over L’arc! #casualxenophibia So what?" Um maybe xenophobia undermines your credibility and your line of argument? | |||
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" The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy. Dont know where you are getting your info but I looked updata centre requirements and came across a report from Peter judge who looks pretty pro remain from his comments and he said as long as we still abide by the GDPR rules data centres will still carry on as before. AS for student numbers according to study in the uk who collect student data there was a 5% rise in international enrollments in 2017. Universities will be negatively impacted by leaving the EU. 16% of all research funding in UK universities comes from the EU. " Not according to the royal society, they say it is 9.7% and looking through their figures it looks like the Uk does badly in the amount various countries receive for research, when you think how many top unis there are in the UK you would expect us to do much better in terms of research funding from EU grants | |||
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" The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy. Dont know where you are getting your info but I looked updata centre requirements and came across a report from Peter judge who looks pretty pro remain from his comments and he said as long as we still abide by the GDPR rules data centres will still carry on as before. AS for student numbers according to study in the uk who collect student data there was a 5% rise in international enrollments in 2017. Universities will be negatively impacted by leaving the EU. 16% of all research funding in UK universities comes from the EU. Not according to the royal society, they say it is 9.7% and looking through their figures it looks like the Uk does badly in the amount various countries receive for research, when you think how many top unis there are in the UK you would expect us to do much better in terms of research funding from EU grants" From the Royal Society report: The UK is one of the largest recipients of research funding in the EU and, although national contributions to the EU budget are not itemised, analyses suggest that the UK receives a greater amount of EU research funding than it contributes. | |||
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" The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy. Dont know where you are getting your info but I looked updata centre requirements and came across a report from Peter judge who looks pretty pro remain from his comments and he said as long as we still abide by the GDPR rules data centres will still carry on as before. AS for student numbers according to study in the uk who collect student data there was a 5% rise in international enrollments in 2017. Universities will be negatively impacted by leaving the EU. 16% of all research funding in UK universities comes from the EU. Not according to the royal society, they say it is 9.7% and looking through their figures it looks like the Uk does badly in the amount various countries receive for research, when you think how many top unis there are in the UK you would expect us to do much better in terms of research funding from EU grants" I trust Full Fact https://fullfact.org/education/how-much-money-do-british-universities-get-eu/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn8z9m8GK3gIVTuJ3Ch1kIwXiEAAYASAAEgJfj_D_BwE As I said, 16%. | |||
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" The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy. Dont know where you are getting your info but I looked updata centre requirements and came across a report from Peter judge who looks pretty pro remain from his comments and he said as long as we still abide by the GDPR rules data centres will still carry on as before. AS for student numbers according to study in the uk who collect student data there was a 5% rise in international enrollments in 2017. Universities will be negatively impacted by leaving the EU. 16% of all research funding in UK universities comes from the EU. Not according to the royal society, they say it is 9.7% and looking through their figures it looks like the Uk does badly in the amount various countries receive for research, when you think how many top unis there are in the UK you would expect us to do much better in terms of research funding from EU grants From the Royal Society report: The UK is one of the largest recipients of research funding in the EU and, although national contributions to the EU budget are not itemised, analyses suggest that the UK receives a greater amount of EU research funding than it contributes. " British universities contribute £95bn to the UK economy and support nearly 1m jobs in HE institutions and across the supply chain. As you say, theyre doing pretty well for UKplc | |||
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" The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy. Dont know where you are getting your info but I looked updata centre requirements and came across a report from Peter judge who looks pretty pro remain from his comments and he said as long as we still abide by the GDPR rules data centres will still carry on as before. AS for student numbers according to study in the uk who collect student data there was a 5% rise in international enrollments in 2017. Universities will be negatively impacted by leaving the EU. 16% of all research funding in UK universities comes from the EU. Not according to the royal society, they say it is 9.7% and looking through their figures it looks like the Uk does badly in the amount various countries receive for research, when you think how many top unis there are in the UK you would expect us to do much better in terms of research funding from EU grants I trust Full Fact https://fullfact.org/education/how-much-money-do-british-universities-get-eu/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn8z9m8GK3gIVTuJ3Ch1kIwXiEAAYASAAEgJfj_D_BwE As I said, 16%. " Yes I agree they claim 15.5% of research funding comes from the EU but if you read the report they say that not all by a long way goes to the unis the British influence paper they quote seems to suggest that 30% of that figure goes elsewhere, but yes that total figure for research we agree on but and of course it is a huge but that money comes from the uk contributions to begin with so even if we receive nothing from the EU for research after brexit we could just redirect that money to our own research, as with all things after brexit it will be our decision | |||
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" The lack in trade and the increased cost of international trade is just a part of the financial problems we are bringing on ourselves. But for example British manufacturers that rely on buying parts from Europe will be hit with larger expenses. British service providers who do business with Europe are looking at increasing costs and in some circumstances losing the ability to trade. One example is data-centres on uk soil, will no longer meet EU standards for holding data. (One of their standards is that the data centre is located in the EU, and hence subject to their rules and regulations). There have already been direct job losses in say the Education sector due to the sharp drop off of international students who don’t want to come to a country they don’t feel welcome in, or can’t be sure they’ll be allowed to stay for the duration of their course. International students have historically provided a decent amount of income for universities. Then there are some businesses leaving as they don’t want to be outside of the EU to trade. These are just a few examples. I don’t know what you specifically want me to answer regarding the economy or %of trade conducted here or there. There is an unending wealth of information about the ever increasing negative effects of Brexit on the economy. I don’t really understand, are you arguing that Brexit will some how have positive effect on the country? I thought that even the Daily Mail had given up on that fallacy. Dont know where you are getting your info but I looked updata centre requirements and came across a report from Peter judge who looks pretty pro remain from his comments and he said as long as we still abide by the GDPR rules data centres will still carry on as before. AS for student numbers according to study in the uk who collect student data there was a 5% rise in international enrollments in 2017. Universities will be negatively impacted by leaving the EU. 16% of all research funding in UK universities comes from the EU. Not according to the royal society, they say it is 9.7% and looking through their figures it looks like the Uk does badly in the amount various countries receive for research, when you think how many top unis there are in the UK you would expect us to do much better in terms of research funding from EU grants I trust Full Fact https://fullfact.org/education/how-much-money-do-british-universities-get-eu/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn8z9m8GK3gIVTuJ3Ch1kIwXiEAAYASAAEgJfj_D_BwE As I said, 16%. Yes I agree they claim 15.5% of research funding comes from the EU but if you read the report they say that not all by a long way goes to the unis the British influence paper they quote seems to suggest that 30% of that figure goes elsewhere, but yes that total figure for research we agree on but and of course it is a huge but that money comes from the uk contributions to begin with so even if we receive nothing from the EU for research after brexit we could just redirect that money to our own research, as with all things after brexit it will be our decision" But would we - that's the question? | |||
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" But would we - that's the question? " We will if we want to remain in the top group of countries for R&D, however we need to do "real" research not some of the rubbish that gets reported on these days such as some of the health ones, they say one day that dairy is bad then a year or so later its good, red wine is good then its bad etc etc. Of course lots of medical research is world class and we need to ensure that they get the funding and for new tech research etc. We need to be world leaders in the brave new world we are going to be in | |||
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" But would we - that's the question? We will if we want to remain in the top group of countries for R&D, however we need to do "real" research not some of the rubbish that gets reported on these days such as some of the health ones, they say one day that dairy is bad then a year or so later its good, red wine is good then its bad etc etc. Of course lots of medical research is world class and we need to ensure that they get the funding and for new tech research etc. We need to be world leaders in the brave new world we are going to be in" The world after BREXIT will be no braver or newer than it is now. The only difference will be that instead of having trade agreements with about 90 countries, which we currently have, we'll have trade agreements with none. | |||
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