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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

With advances intechnology, and if it can be secured from fraudulent use, should government policies be voted on by uk citizens?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With advances intechnology, and if it can be secured from fraudulent use, should government policies be voted on by uk citizens? "

No. Look at the absolute state of the country after the referendum. People don’t understand the issues in enough detail, they read the daily mail and then vote against their own interests.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"With advances intechnology, and if it can be secured from fraudulent use, should government policies be voted on by uk citizens?

No. Look at the absolute state of the country after the referendum. People don’t understand the issues in enough detail, they read the daily mail and then vote against their own interests."

Well yes, though doesn't it go on when there's a general election? Though I suppose would be less frequent the policy voting

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

*frequent than any policy voting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watch the movie whoops apocalypse with peter cook as PM.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People rarely vote for the greater good , they mostly it’s for things that are advantageous to them

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I think Switzerland keep having referendums on major Government policies?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"People rarely vote for the greater good , they mostly it’s for things that are advantageous to them "

If everyone votes for things that [they believe] are advantageous to them then surly the result is that what is most advantageous [in their own beliefs] for most gets the most support?

On the other hand, if everyone voted for what they thought was most advantageous for others, rather than themselves, then surly we would end with what was [in their beliefs] advantages for very few.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We vote in a Government to make the decisions for us & what's best for the Country.

Look at the shite storm we're still trying to get through after the last time the people were asked to vote on a policy.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project."
think exactly the same.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Well thst idea of mine went well, lol.

Oh well, I'm composing another post "should cars have triangular wheels"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project.think exactly the same. "

Yea i agree., especially when it's a promise if they get into government then welsh on it

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project.think exactly the same.

Yea i agree., especially when it's a promise if they get into government then welsh on it"

How about this one....privatise the railways may be ok but keep the tracks as national assets. The rental for the tracks is then tied to the price rises of tickets plus penalties for not delivered promised services on time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project.think exactly the same.

Yea i agree., especially when it's a promise if they get into government then welsh on it

How about this one....privatise the railways may be ok but keep the tracks as national assets. The rental for the tracks is then tied to the price rises of tickets plus penalties for not delivered promised services on time."

Sounds good. The rolling stock would need an mot style certificate to prevent track damage or breakdown and block tracks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should we reduce income tax .....

Vote now.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project.think exactly the same.

Yea i agree., especially when it's a promise if they get into government then welsh on it

How about this one....privatise the railways may be ok but keep the tracks as national assets. The rental for the tracks is then tied to the price rises of tickets plus penalties for not delivered promised services on time.

Sounds good. The rolling stock would need an mot style certificate to prevent track damage or breakdown and block tracks "

One last one.

Strategic industries should be demonstrably UK supplied. We don't want micro bugging devices in cheap Chinese electronics.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project.think exactly the same.

Yea i agree., especially when it's a promise if they get into government then welsh on it

How about this one....privatise the railways may be ok but keep the tracks as national assets. The rental for the tracks is then tied to the price rises of tickets plus penalties for not delivered promised services on time.

Sounds good. The rolling stock would need an mot style certificate to prevent track damage or breakdown and block tracks

One last one.

Strategic industries should be demonstrably UK supplied. We don't want micro bugging devices in cheap Chinese electronics."

Fully agree. Why are we not building our own power stations.. Not the Chinese, Hinkley pointvfor example

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"With advances intechnology, and if it can be secured from fraudulent use, should government policies be voted on by uk citizens? "

Isn't that we elect representatives? To study the information and make difficult decisions?

This would make them redundant. What would the point of an MP be?

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield


"I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project.think exactly the same.

Yea i agree., especially when it's a promise if they get into government then welsh on it

How about this one....privatise the railways may be ok but keep the tracks as national assets. The rental for the tracks is then tied to the price rises of tickets plus penalties for not delivered promised services on time.

Sounds good. The rolling stock would need an mot style certificate to prevent track damage or breakdown and block tracks

One last one.

Strategic industries should be demonstrably UK supplied. We don't want micro bugging devices in cheap Chinese electronics.

Fully agree. Why are we not building our own power stations.. Not the Chinese, Hinkley pointvfor example"

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"I

Fully agree. Why are we not building our own power stations.. Not the Chinese, Hinkley pointvfor example"

The UK did have a publicly-owned industry that built the nuclear power stations.

The Conservative ideological hatred of public ownership signalled the end.

It was bundled up and sold off. No new nuclear plants since.

What is left of our nuclear power stations, once owned by the UK state, now belong to a company owned by the French state.

And when the 2010 version of the Conservatives decided we must have new nuclear power stations, who did it turn to?

A company owned by the French Government and CGN, a company owned by the Chinese government.

So the nationalised industry of France and China now build the British power stations that once were built by the nationalised industry of the UK.

It might be funny, were it not for the fact you and I will be paying through the nose for the electricity for the next 30 years, thanks to an Osborne deal that guarantees returns of twice the current wholesale market rate.

So companies owned by China and France will reap the rewards. All because of an ideological hatred of companies owned by the UK.

Incompetence on a gargantuan scale.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"With advances intechnology, and if it can be secured from fraudulent use, should government policies be voted on by uk citizens?

No. Look at the absolute state of the country after the referendum. People don’t understand the issues in enough detail, they read the daily mail and then vote against their own interests."

Or, indeed, The Guardian, and do the same.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"People rarely vote for the greater good , they mostly it’s for things that are advantageous to them "

The same could be said of the vast majority of MPs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It might be funny, were it not for the fact you and I will be paying through the nose for the electricity for the next 30 years, thanks to an Osborne deal that guarantees returns of twice the current wholesale market rate.

"

Well, Hinckley C is going to cost £20 Billion , EDF & the Chinese need to make their money back.

They don't build power station's for free lol

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project.think exactly the same.

Yea i agree., especially when it's a promise if they get into government then welsh on it

How about this one....privatise the railways may be ok but keep the tracks as national assets. The rental for the tracks is then tied to the price rises of tickets plus penalties for not delivered promised services on time.

Sounds good. The rolling stock would need an mot style certificate to prevent track damage or breakdown and block tracks

One last one.

Strategic industries should be demonstrably UK supplied. We don't want micro bugging devices in cheap Chinese electronics."

One last one and potentially controversial.

We have a moral and political responsibility to assist those in conflict areas. I believe that these conflicts may take generations to solve. Instead of giving benefits to those that enter the UK illegally, we give no benefits to them at all as they tend to be males who fall into the 20 to 40 age group. That is where many of our soon to be ex EU partners are.

Instead and to balance our responsibilities, we rehouse family groups from the frontline in the UK giving the stability that a family group deserves, giving the kids an upbringing within the fairness of UK culture and exucation and keeping vulnerable families who would not risk the journey to the UK a chance. This may help to reduce the influx of radicalized males.

Common sense says that a content family creates a stable neighbour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would love to see the legalisation of all recreational drugs. This is not a policy that many nationalists agree with, but one I have believed in for a long time.

To have everything from cannabis to heroin legalised would make them all safer to the user, and bring in a shit load of money in revenue. It would also make dealing in these drugs highly unprofitable.

We have a fine pharmaceutical manufacturing tradition in this country, and enough factories to start producing as soon as we got a govt with such a policy. They would make products that would be safer than street bought drugs, because the buyer would know exactly what they contained and at what dose. I would have them sold as as P Medicine, which means that a pharmacist would have to be in the premises. This would stop kids from buying them, and would also mean that advice about the product would be available to the buyer.

Obviously it would all be very cheap to produce, and so the bulk of whatever prices being charged would be revenue and of course VAT.

I don’t use anything myself, always loved my beer too much. But a relative of mine suffered from MS, and the only thing that worked for him was . Back then there was absolutely no way to acquire the stuff legally, but that is a different policy change I would make.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

Have you not considered that the revenue would be largely evaded because the illicit infrastructure is in place.....in the same way as smuggled tobacco.?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have you not considered that the revenue would be largely evaded because the illicit infrastructure is in place.....in the same way as smuggled tobacco.?

"

Having recently worked in retail and currently in wholesale, I can honestly say that tobacco sales are still massive. I know that neither retailer or wholesaler make much more than pennies from selling tobacco products, they sell it to get more people through the door. I’m convinced that making recreational drugs into P Meds will give users, especially newbies a much safer option than street dealers or smugglers can possibly provide. If it saved just one person from being killed by dodgy drugs, it would be an improvement. My guess is that it would save a damn site more. The revenue is more of a deal saver, the main reason I want it legalised being the safety aspect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My advise for most people is to vote on policy over party. That said there is a huge difference between voting g for a fleshed out policy, over a sound bite.

I think this proposed idea would be good, if before giving your vote for a policy by a party, a prompt would come up with all the current proposal details, to encourage people to fully read, or at least skim.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"With advances intechnology, and if it can be secured from fraudulent use, should government policies be voted on by uk citizens? "

Sounds a great idea!

It could be totally on line, so everyone can log on and not only vote but share their opinions.

Now all that is needed is a name!

Let's call it "Votie My Vote Space"!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My advise for most people is to vote on policy over party. That said there is a huge difference between voting g for a fleshed out policy, over a sound bite.

I think this proposed idea would be good, if before giving your vote for a policy by a party, a prompt would come up with all the current proposal details, to encourage people to fully read, or at least skim."

That is the same idea as used by the Tea Party Patriots in the US. They go all over their country looking at the policies of every politician and then either back them or not, depending on their policies.

Interesting stuff...

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"My advise for most people is to vote on policy over party. That said there is a huge difference between voting g for a fleshed out policy, over a sound bite.

I think this proposed idea would be good, if before giving your vote for a policy by a party, a prompt would come up with all the current proposal details, to encourage people to fully read, or at least skim.

That is the same idea as used by the Tea Party Patriots in the US. They go all over their country looking at the policies of every politician and then either back them or not, depending on their policies.

Interesting stuff..."

"They go all over their country looking at the policies of every politician and then either back them or not, depending on whether it benefits the Koch brothers."

There, fixed that for you.

-Matt

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"With advances intechnology, and if it can be secured from fraudulent use, should government policies be voted on by uk citizens? "

Before the rise of fake news and alternative facts I would have said yes. Now I worry the system would be too easily gamed.

However, I think mass digital consultations to feed into policy making would be useful. For example, just imagine all the hassle that could be saved if we could cheaply and reliably gauge everyone's opinion on Brexit today.

This forum would become redundant overnight.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"With advances intechnology, and if it can be secured from fraudulent use, should government policies be voted on by uk citizens?

Before the rise of fake news and alternative facts I would have said yes. Now I worry the system would be too easily gamed.

However, I think mass digital consultations to feed into policy making would be useful. For example, just imagine all the hassle that could be saved if we could cheaply and reliably gauge everyone's opinion on Brexit today.

This forum would become redundant overnight.

"

I am not happy about basing any policy upon what can be garnered from the internet.

We already have some fun revolving around Brexit which is probably a one hit policy. Imagine the mixed and confused positions that the public would take over ongoing issues such as the NHS or foreign aid.

Nope not for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would love to see the legalisation of all recreational drugs. This is not a policy that many nationalists agree with, but one I have believed in for a long time.

To have everything from cannabis to heroin legalised would make them all safer to the user, and bring in a shit load of money in revenue. It would also make dealing in these drugs highly unprofitable.

We have a fine pharmaceutical manufacturing tradition in this country, and enough factories to start producing as soon as we got a govt with such a policy. They would make products that would be safer than street bought drugs, because the buyer would know exactly what they contained and at what dose. I would have them sold as as P Medicine, which means that a pharmacist would have to be in the premises. This would stop kids from buying them, and would also mean that advice about the product would be available to the buyer.

Obviously it would all be very cheap to produce, and so the bulk of whatever prices being charged would be revenue and of course VAT.

I don’t use anything myself, always loved my beer too much. But a relative of mine suffered from MS, and the only thing that worked for him was . Back then there was absolutely no way to acquire the stuff legally, but that is a different policy change I would make. "

So you'd also unproscribe many other drugs currently only available by a medical professionals prescription too ?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project.think exactly the same.

Yea i agree., especially when it's a promise if they get into government then welsh on it

How about this one....privatise the railways may be ok but keep the tracks as national assets. The rental for the tracks is then tied to the price rises of tickets plus penalties for not delivered promised services on time."
that is exactley how it works now bar the ticket thing .train companies have too pay NR for any delay thet cause and vice versa .now more clerks dealing with "delay causation " than there are operating staff dealing with the trains .

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"I often find that I agree with a policy but then discover it is either watered down or poorly enacted.

Perhaps if I give a Thatcherite example. A council should be able to sell a house to a long term resident. However where it went very wrong is that i believe the proceeds should be ringfenced to build more council housing for those in need by the local authority. This creates local housing and local jobs. It should not be contracted out to private developers not some fancy PFI project.think exactly the same.

Yea i agree., especially when it's a promise if they get into government then welsh on it

How about this one....privatise the railways may be ok but keep the tracks as national assets. The rental for the tracks is then tied to the price rises of tickets plus penalties for not delivered promised services on time.that is exactley how it works now bar the ticket thing .train companies have too pay NR for any delay thet cause and vice versa .now more clerks dealing with "delay causation " than there are operating staff dealing with the trains ."

Exactly the point....half right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would love to see the legalisation of all recreational drugs. This is not a policy that many nationalists agree with, but one I have believed in for a long time.

To have everything from cannabis to heroin legalised would make them all safer to the user, and bring in a shit load of money in revenue. It would also make dealing in these drugs highly unprofitable.

We have a fine pharmaceutical manufacturing tradition in this country, and enough factories to start producing as soon as we got a govt with such a policy. They would make products that would be safer than street bought drugs, because the buyer would know exactly what they contained and at what dose. I would have them sold as as P Medicine, which means that a pharmacist would have to be in the premises. This would stop kids from buying them, and would also mean that advice about the product would be available to the buyer.

Obviously it would all be very cheap to produce, and so the bulk of whatever prices being charged would be revenue and of course VAT.

I don’t use anything myself, always loved my beer too much. But a relative of mine suffered from MS, and the only thing that worked for him was . Back then there was absolutely no way to acquire the stuff legally, but that is a different policy change I would make.

So you'd also unproscribe many other drugs currently only available by a medical professionals prescription too ?"

Wtf are you chatting about? I clearly said I would legalise all recreational drugs. I never mentioned any other drugs, and certainly not those that are currently prescribed (not proscribed that is a different thing all together.)

Prohibition doesn’t work, look at when the US made booze illegal. We are doing the exact same thing by making certain drugs illegal.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Have you not considered that the revenue would be largely evaded because the illicit infrastructure is in place.....in the same way as smuggled tobacco.?

Having recently worked in retail and currently in wholesale, I can honestly say that tobacco sales are still massive. I know that neither retailer or wholesaler make much more than pennies from selling tobacco products, they sell it to get more people through the door. I’m convinced that making recreational drugs into P Meds will give users, especially newbies a much safer option than street dealers or smugglers can possibly provide. If it saved just one person from being killed by dodgy drugs, it would be an improvement. My guess is that it would save a damn site more. The revenue is more of a deal saver, the main reason I want it legalised being the safety aspect."

So selling legalised drugs in a pharmacy at practically zero profit would be a loss leader to get customers through the door to buy, er, what else exactly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have you not considered that the revenue would be largely evaded because the illicit infrastructure is in place.....in the same way as smuggled tobacco.?

Having recently worked in retail and currently in wholesale, I can honestly say that tobacco sales are still massive. I know that neither retailer or wholesaler make much more than pennies from selling tobacco products, they sell it to get more people through the door. I’m convinced that making recreational drugs into P Meds will give users, especially newbies a much safer option than street dealers or smugglers can possibly provide. If it saved just one person from being killed by dodgy drugs, it would be an improvement. My guess is that it would save a damn site more. The revenue is more of a deal saver, the main reason I want it legalised being the safety aspect.

So selling legalised drugs in a pharmacy at practically zero profit would be a loss leader to get customers through the door to buy, er, what else exactly?"

Lemsip.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Have you not considered that the revenue would be largely evaded because the illicit infrastructure is in place.....in the same way as smuggled tobacco.?

Having recently worked in retail and currently in wholesale, I can honestly say that tobacco sales are still massive. I know that neither retailer or wholesaler make much more than pennies from selling tobacco products, they sell it to get more people through the door. I’m convinced that making recreational drugs into P Meds will give users, especially newbies a much safer option than street dealers or smugglers can possibly provide. If it saved just one person from being killed by dodgy drugs, it would be an improvement. My guess is that it would save a damn site more. The revenue is more of a deal saver, the main reason I want it legalised being the safety aspect.

So selling legalised drugs in a pharmacy at practically zero profit would be a loss leader to get customers through the door to buy, er, what else exactly?

Lemsip."

Ah, yes, an impulse purchase!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's a reasonable idea but my guess is that there would be widespread ignorance, so voting may not be based on sound research evidence but ill-informed ignorant bias

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a reasonable idea but my guess is that there would be widespread ignorance, so voting may not be based on sound research evidence but ill-informed ignorant bias"

100%. Exactly why we are in such a mess right now.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"With advances intechnology, and if it can be secured from fraudulent use, should government policies be voted on by uk citizens?

Before the rise of fake news and alternative facts I would have said yes. Now I worry the system would be too easily gamed.

However, I think mass digital consultations to feed into policy making would be useful. For example, just imagine all the hassle that could be saved if we could cheaply and reliably gauge everyone's opinion on Brexit today.

This forum would become redundant overnight.

I am not happy about basing any policy upon what can be garnered from the internet.

We already have some fun revolving around Brexit which is probably a one hit policy. Imagine the mixed and confused positions that the public would take over ongoing issues such as the NHS or foreign aid.

Nope not for me."

Already happens all the time to a degree. What about opinion polls, etc. Or the government publishing Green Papers and asking people to submit responses.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There's a time and place for expertise to be deployed and, to some extent, people trust employed and elected officials to undertake appropriate investigation and hold responsibilities for the duties that they undertake. With poor leadership and ignorant masses steering things you'd probably get the worst of everything too frequently.

It's right that the electorate influence the principles that government works towards but expecting government to educate millions, in order to have them micro-manage public order sounds costly and possibly wasted public money that could be likely better used elsewhere.

Some issues also affect different segments of the population differently or not at all. The tyranny of the masses is an example of where full citizen management would be better served by responsible, accountable government who safeguard important rights for minorities, for example.

I'm definitely in favour of public involvement in politics - greater levels of engagement and education, with increased knowledge but wary of management by people driven by emotional feeling, rather than intelligence of what they're implementing and affecting. We already know that unintended consequences happen too often now, where the implications of what's been done are overlooked. That problem would likely increase as the masses jump from one knee jerk reaction to another.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"People rarely vote for the greater good , they mostly it’s for things that are advantageous to them "
Very true it is human nature we all do it,those that say they don't are deluded or liers.

Lets face it we all say that the homeless situation is a wrong and something should be done about but which one of you has ever offered one free board and lodging?There are many examples I could use

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