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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

When this first cracked, it seemed every other person thought it may be a ploy by Mrs May ... just wondering if anybody is still nailing their xmas lours to the conspiracy mast ....

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

Actually, the same result could have been achieved by sending the Skripals, a Pret a Manger gift card.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hard to say. I first thought it could have been organised crime the skripals were involved with.

In the light of the latest news, it looks like the Russian government, but, seems so incompetent series of events is there some other purpose being played out

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Hard to say. I first thought it could have been organised crime the skripals were involved with.

In the light of the latest news, it looks like the Russian government, but, seems so incompetent series of events is there some other purpose being played out"

It does seem incompetent and I don't think the Russians are. However maybe the Russians wanted to send a message basically saying "We can do what we like, where we like and when we like, and there is nothing you (UK, EU or NATO) can do about it". I wouldn't be surprised if Putin said to May "Suck it up buttercup" as that's a phrase that most of his supporters here in the UK seem to use too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hard to say. I first thought it could have been organised crime the skripals were involved with.

In the light of the latest news, it looks like the Russian government, but, seems so incompetent series of events is there some other purpose being played out

It does seem incompetent and I don't think the Russians are. However maybe the Russians wanted to send a message basically saying "We can do what we like, where we like and when we like, and there is nothing you (UK, EU or NATO) can do about it". I wouldn't be surprised if Putin said to May "Suck it up buttercup" as that's a phrase that most of his supporters here in the UK seem to use too.

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You have a point there

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley

The way it was executed was very amateur

I think the first question to be answered is “Quo boni” . It is not really clear to me what benefit the Russians have to kill some retired agent who has been done for his double game already and lives now from doubtful business with mobster connections

What we see now in the media is the usual pattern . Repeat the doubtful accusation until every one accepts them as truth.

It’s easy to point someone as a culprit , but no one has seen evidence which could be used as the smoking gun , by now it should exist

Any Russian who has been with in a miles range of the deed could be accused at random and surely those two were not the only ones in the area , the proof they were right on site and not just “in the area” is still “pending “

you can continue the accusation as the Russians wouldn’t cooperate anyways. That makes them suspicious but not guilty ....lack of smoking gun

However the entire story is a great distraction of the daily mirror reading masses from the true issues in the country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way it was executed was very amateur

I think the first question to be answered is “Quo boni” . It is not really clear to me what benefit the Russians have to kill some retired agent who has been done for his double game already and lives now from doubtful business with mobster connections

What we see now in the media is the usual pattern . Repeat the doubtful accusation until every one accepts them as truth.

It’s easy to point someone as a culprit , but no one has seen evidence which could be used as the smoking gun , by now it should exist

Any Russian who has been with in a miles range of the deed could be accused at random and surely those two were not the only ones in the area , the proof they were right on site and not just “in the area” is still “pending “

you can continue the accusation as the Russians wouldn’t cooperate anyways. That makes them suspicious but not guilty ....lack of smoking gun

However the entire story is a great distraction of the daily mirror reading masses from the true issues in the country "

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Actual Russian agents visit the city, walking by the guys home, where he later contacts the nerve agent developed by the Russians. Occams razor would suggest something that's not a conspiracy

It provides a clear signal to any agents who may be open to betrayal, as well as anyone who may become an enemy of the state, amongst other signals it delivered. Propaganda is powerful.

Salisburys Bishop has long term plans to increase visitor numbers

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By *exyCouple999Couple
over a year ago

South Bucks

I very nearly believed the agents account of their visit to Salisbury, but for one small detail that gave the game away. Without any doubt, tourists visiting Salisbury would surely also have gone to see the nearby Peppa Pig World. These guys didn't even mention Peppa Pig. Rumbled !

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


"I very nearly believed the agents account of their visit to Salisbury, but for one small detail that gave the game away. Without any doubt, tourists visiting Salisbury would surely also have gone to see the nearby Peppa Pig World. These guys didn't even mention Peppa Pig. Rumbled !"

haha, that’s it, Pepoa Pig as evidence for clandestine Russian secret service activity brilliant

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The way it was executed was very amateur

I think the first question to be answered is “Quo boni” . It is not really clear to me what benefit the Russians have to kill some retired agent who has been done for his double game already and lives now from doubtful business with mobster connections

What we see now in the media is the usual pattern . Repeat the doubtful accusation until every one accepts them as truth.

It’s easy to point someone as a culprit , but no one has seen evidence which could be used as the smoking gun , by now it should exist

Any Russian who has been with in a miles range of the deed could be accused at random and surely those two were not the only ones in the area , the proof they were right on site and not just “in the area” is still “pending “

you can continue the accusation as the Russians wouldn’t cooperate anyways. That makes them suspicious but not guilty ....lack of smoking gun

However the entire story is a great distraction of the daily mirror reading masses from the true issues in the country "
quo bono applies to the alternative theories as well.

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


"The way it was executed was very amateur

I think the first question to be answered is “Quo boni” . It is not really clear to me what benefit the Russians have to kill some retired agent who has been done for his double game already and lives now from doubtful business with mobster connections

What we see now in the media is the usual pattern . Repeat the doubtful accusation until every one accepts them as truth.

It’s easy to point someone as a culprit , but no one has seen evidence which could be used as the smoking gun , by now it should exist

Any Russian who has been with in a miles range of the deed could be accused at random and surely those two were not the only ones in the area , the proof they were right on site and not just “in the area” is still “pending “

you can continue the accusation as the Russians wouldn’t cooperate anyways. That makes them suspicious but not guilty ....lack of smoking gun

However the entire story is a great distraction of the daily mirror reading masses from the true issues in the country quo bono applies to the alternative theories as well. "

true, so what’s missing is the smoking gun of evidence , oh wait , I forgot Peppa Pig the two Russian agents haven’t visited

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m of the opinion that had the Russian govt and or secret service have been involved, they would have made a much better and more professional job of it. In this case it was way too sloppy, I don’t buy it.

Most likely that someone inside one of the agencies Mr Skripal worked at found out where he lived. He was a double agent and will most certainly have more than his fair share of enemies.

I think it has been way too convenient for the West to blame the whole thing on Putin..

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"I’m of the opinion that had the Russian govt and or secret service have been involved, they would have made a much better and more professional job of it. In this case it was way too sloppy, I don’t buy it.

Most likely that someone inside one of the agencies Mr Skripal worked at found out where he lived. He was a double agent and will most certainly have more than his fair share of enemies.

I think it has been way too convenient for the West to blame the whole thing on Putin.."

Really?

So in your opinion the Russians are incompetent and unprofessional if they are responsible for the attacks that have been exposed in the UK and USA. May I ask how you have reached such a blinding insight?

Maybe before you answer you would like to address a question or two for me:

Why are the Russians targeting Western Democracies, and what is the desired result? If you were a dictator running a sham democracy with expansionist ambitions how would you go about undermining the democratic and security processes of your opponents and potential enemies?

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

What about the theory that the Russians do not actually care about seeming to be the guilty party. They will deny everything saying "where's the evidence?" even though a goal of giving all exiled opposition and treachery to the state an obvious warning as to the consequences of their actions?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’m of the opinion that had the Russian govt and or secret service have been involved, they would have made a much better and more professional job of it. In this case it was way too sloppy, I don’t buy it.

Most likely that someone inside one of the agencies Mr Skripal worked at found out where he lived. He was a double agent and will most certainly have more than his fair share of enemies.

I think it has been way too convenient for the West to blame the whole thing on Putin..

Really?

So in your opinion the Russians are incompetent and unprofessional if they are responsible for the attacks that have been exposed in the UK and USA. May I ask how you have reached such a blinding insight?

Maybe before you answer you would like to address a question or two for me:

Why are the Russians targeting Western Democracies, and what is the desired result? If you were a dictator running a sham democracy with expansionist ambitions how would you go about undermining the democratic and security processes of your opponents and potential enemies?"

Apart from Putin’s obvious desire to regain parts of the old Soviet Union, I don’t believe he is targeting anyone. I don’t like the guy, but do believe he is a strong leader and better than our prime minister and more so the leader of the opposition.

Yes I do believe that the poisoning scandal in Salisbury was cack handed and totally unprofessional. Had it been the work of Russian secret services it would not have been as blatant and with no inocent victims of collateral damage.

The fact that the Russians are denying any responsibility makes me believe that they would have done it very much more careful than what was actually done.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Apart from Putin’s obvious desire to regain parts of the old Soviet Union, I don’t believe he is targeting anyone. I don’t like the guy, but do believe he is a strong leader and better than our prime minister and more so the leader of the opposition.

Yes I do believe that the poisoning scandal in Salisbury was cack handed and totally unprofessional. Had it been the work of Russian secret services it would not have been as blatant and with no inocent victims of collateral damage.

The fact that the Russians are denying any responsibility makes me believe that they would have done it very much more careful than what was actually done."

Congratulations, you have managed to repeat what you said in the post I replied to.

Now try engaging your brain and answering the 2 questions I posed or admitting that you have no idea what the answers to those questions are and ask me to elucidate.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"Apart from Putin’s obvious desire to regain parts of the old Soviet Union, I don’t believe he is targeting anyone. I don’t like the guy, but do believe he is a strong leader and better than our prime minister and more so the leader of the opposition.

Yes I do believe that the poisoning scandal in Salisbury was cack handed and totally unprofessional. Had it been the work of Russian secret services it would not have been as blatant and with no inocent victims of collateral damage.

The fact that the Russians are denying any responsibility makes me believe that they would have done it very much more careful than what was actually done.

Congratulations, you have managed to repeat what you said in the post I replied to.

Now try engaging your brain and answering the 2 questions I posed or admitting that you have no idea what the answers to those questions are and ask me to elucidate."

Perhaps...?

1. Because without tackling what he sees as rivals, Putin knows that his sham democracy will fall in the same way as the USSR....as a result of western influence.

2. It is a multi faceted strategy to undermine his rivals.

Not sure what you are getting at in your posts but isn't it correct to look at the overall strategy rather than a particular event.

After all, the Watergate break in was small potatoes compared to the bigger picture which led to Nixon's fall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apart from Putin’s obvious desire to regain parts of the old Soviet Union, I don’t believe he is targeting anyone. I don’t like the guy, but do believe he is a strong leader and better than our prime minister and more so the leader of the opposition.

Yes I do believe that the poisoning scandal in Salisbury was cack handed and totally unprofessional. Had it been the work of Russian secret services it would not have been as blatant and with no inocent victims of collateral damage.

The fact that the Russians are denying any responsibility makes me believe that they would have done it very much more careful than what was actually done.

Congratulations, you have managed to repeat what you said in the post I replied to.

Now try engaging your brain and answering the 2 questions I posed or admitting that you have no idea what the answers to those questions are and ask me to elucidate.

Perhaps...?

1. Because without tackling what he sees as rivals, Putin knows that his sham democracy will fall in the same way as the USSR....as a result of western influence.

2. It is a multi faceted strategy to undermine his rivals.

Not sure what you are getting at in your posts but isn't it correct to look at the overall strategy rather than a particular event.

After all, the Watergate break in was small potatoes compared to the bigger picture which led to Nixon's fall.

"

I truly believe that Putin would love to rebuild the Soviet Union, with himself as it’s leader. I believe he is despotic, but not prepared to start a war he knows he cannot win. Perhaps if none of his enemies had nuclear missiles he would attack. But they have and that is the deterrent working as required.

I also still believe that had he been behind what happened in Salisbury, that more sophisticated techniques would have been employed. Sticking a load of Russian only made poison in a perfume bottle just seems so ammeter, and more likely we terrorist tactic than a state sponsored attempt at murder.

It all seems so tacky and blatant, hence why I’m just not buying the official story.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Why would terrorists kill a Russian living in the U.K. how are Russians in U.K. targets for terrorists lmao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why would terrorists kill a Russian living in the U.K. how are Russians in U.K. targets for terrorists lmao "

If they are enemies from Sripal’s double agent days, acting independently to not only murder him, but to increase tensions between Russia and the West. That would make what happened in Salisbury a terrorist attack.

Simpals...

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"Why would terrorists kill a Russian living in the U.K. how are Russians in U.K. targets for terrorists lmao "

And it sends a message....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There has been 14 suspected assinations of Russian and British citizens on UK soil in the last decade all them connected to enemies of Russia .

Putin acts with impunity here.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"There has been 14 suspected assinations of Russian and British citizens on UK soil in the last decade all them connected to enemies of Russia .

Putin acts with impunity here."

Exactly....inaction in all cases other than some very stern words.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

That’s all we’ve got now stern words

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