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"Do they really think they will get a good and even a better deal when leaving the club? What they dont understand is that it is about to not to get the worst deal, whats your view? "commerce will find a way | |||
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"Do they really think they will get a good and even a better deal when leaving the club? What they dont understand is that it is about to not to get the worst deal, whats your view? "100% It’s baffling that anyone thought this would go well, yet people are still defending Brexit to the bitter end. | |||
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"I saw the same in Scotland with Scottish nationalists. It does not matter how crap it gets, the great thing that trumps everything else is that it is your own crap now." t is only crap when it does not agree with you as far as I can tell | |||
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"What remainers fail to grasp is that it is not all about economics. While I believe that no deal is not good,and want a deal desparately I did not vote on the economic reasons.My reasons I have explained previously if you want to know them. On the economy I fear a Corbyn government a lot more in or out of the EU.It is Labour that will destroy the economy not Brexit.With Brexit the economy will stutter under Labour it will die,as will the NHS etc" I mostly voted remain for environmental reasons, workers rights, human rights and EU safety legislation and food safety stuff. The economy was a good secondary reason. On a side note, as I’m not a regular labour voter, but the Tories are the party that are systematically dismantling and selling off the NHS as a matter of party policy. I would be much less sceptical about Brexit under a labour government. Sure, the Tories specifically want Brexit so they can remove all this legislation to give the ruling elites and big corporations even more power and control at the expense of ordinary people. | |||
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"What remainers fail to grasp is that it is not all about economics. While I believe that no deal is not good,and want a deal desparately I did not vote on the economic reasons.My reasons I have explained previously if you want to know them. On the economy I fear a Corbyn government a lot more in or out of the EU.It is Labour that will destroy the economy not Brexit.With Brexit the economy will stutter under Labour it will die,as will the NHS etc I mostly voted remain for environmental reasons, workers rights, human rights and EU safety legislation and food safety stuff. The economy was a good secondary reason. On a side note, as I’m not a regular labour voter, but the Tories are the party that are systematically dismantling and selling off the NHS as a matter of party policy. I would be much less sceptical about Brexit under a labour government. Sure, the Tories specifically want Brexit so they can remove all this legislation to give the ruling elites and big corporations even more power and control at the expense of ordinary people. " If you remember Corbyn has allways been against the EU because they would not approve of his left wing labour desire,the EU and corbyn would not sit well together but he is a sniffeling shit who will say anything of he thinks it will get votes | |||
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"Do they really think they will get a good and even a better deal when leaving the club? What they dont understand is that it is about to not to get the worst deal, whats your view?
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It’s baffling that anyone thought this would go well, yet people are still defending Brexit to the bitter end."Roll back to 1.5 years ago and people were saying the EU will be bending over backwards to meet British demands in the negotiations  | |||
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"I noticed that the vast majority of people who say that economics was not the main reason are close to their pension age. It is easy to say that, when in few years time they won't need a job, pension will be protected with triple lock guarantee, they most likely own a house and is set for life. Now say that to a person in their 20s, who owns nothing ( I'm not talking about myself ) "Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU.I do see where your coming from but I think you all worry to much,you are finding times hard so maybe life outside the EU maybe better in time.Easier to get a house control your own destiny,it is your chance to make things better without being chained to a body where we are one of 28. | |||
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It’s baffling that anyone thought this would go well, yet people are still defending Brexit to the bitter end.
Roll back to 1.5 years ago and people were saying the EU will be bending over backwards to meet British demands in the negotiations "the EU is one big joke . I'm glad we,are leaving ...enjoy titanic 2 | |||
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"What remainers fail to grasp is that it is not all about economics. While I believe that no deal is not good,and want a deal desparately I did not vote on the economic reasons.My reasons I have explained previously if you want to know them. On the economy I fear a Corbyn government a lot more in or out of the EU.It is Labour that will destroy the economy not Brexit.With Brexit the economy will stutter under Labour it will die,as will the NHS etc" Corbyn is a disaster waiting to happen | |||
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"I noticed that the vast majority of people who say that economics was not the main reason are close to their pension age. It is easy to say that, when in few years time they won't need a job, pension will be protected with triple lock guarantee, they most likely own a house and is set for life. Now say that to a person in their 20s, who owns nothing ( I'm not talking about myself ) Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU.I do see where your coming from but I think you all worry to much,you are finding times hard so maybe life outside the EU maybe better in time.Easier to get a house control your own destiny,it is your chance to make things better without being chained to a body where we are one of 28."I am 40, so right in the middle of my working life.... I've got about as long to go to retirement as I've already been working. I have a 'good' job and I own a (mortgage on a) house. Yet, still everything is expensive in life. I know there are others struggling a lot more, so I'm thankful. But I certainly don't find things 'easy' financially right now, and have my fair share of loans and credit cards and the likes that get used more often than I would like. But I have to say, at no point have I ever ever felt 'chained to a body where wer are one of 28'. I can't say I have ever, personally, felt that being in the EU has been of any hinderance to me. Quite the opposite. So who knows, maybe it will 'get better in time'. But it certainly looks like this is going to cause a lot of financial hardship for a lot of people, and has encouraged a lot of general nastiness in the country. And as I said in a different thread, just think of all the more productive things our government *could* have been doing for the past two years. -Matt | |||
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"I noticed that the vast majority of people who say that economics was not the main reason are close to their pension age. It is easy to say that, when in few years time they won't need a job, pension will be protected with triple lock guarantee, they most likely own a house and is set for life. Now say that to a person in their 20s, who owns nothing ( I'm not talking about myself ) Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU.I do see where your coming from but I think you all worry to much,you are finding times hard so maybe life outside the EU maybe better in time.Easier to get a house control your own destiny,it is your chance to make things better without being chained to a body where we are one of 28.
I am 40, so right in the middle of my working life.... I've got about as long to go to retirement as I've already been working. I have a 'good' job and I own a (mortgage on a) house. Yet, still everything is expensive in life. I know there are others struggling a lot more, so I'm thankful. But I certainly don't find things 'easy' financially right now, and have my fair share of loans and credit cards and the likes that get used more often than I would like.
But I have to say, at no point have I ever ever felt 'chained to a body where wer are one of 28'. I can't say I have ever, personally, felt that being in the EU has been of any hinderance to me. Quite the opposite.
So who knows, maybe it will 'get better in time'. But it certainly looks like this is going to cause a lot of financial hardship for a lot of people, and has encouraged a lot of general nastiness in the country. And as I said in a different thread, just think of all the more productive things our government *could* have been doing for the past two years.
-Matt"Absolutely....all that wasted time and energy for what? Well maybe this yellow brick road will lead us all to Oz someday but I for one am not holding my breath.... I think we’re in for a very bumpy ride  | |||
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"But you didn’t condem junker for his insagram pic that annoyed the U.K. tho funny that not like you _abio lol " Foxy it only annoyed some, bloody snowflakes have lost their sense of humour these last couple of years..   | |||
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"But you didn’t condem junker for his insagram pic that annoyed the U.K. tho funny that not like you _abio lol " It was actually Donald Tusk that posted "the cake and no cherries" picture. What is said in public doesn't always reflect what is said in private. | |||
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"But you didn’t condem junker for his insagram pic that annoyed the U.K. tho funny that not like you _abio lol " Well if you are trying to do a deal with 27 countries.... and you managed to upset the 3 that were under soviet rule with your comparison that the Eu is like a prison in the old Soviet Union, that is not really going to help your negotiation position... But yeah, if you want to compare it with a cake and a cherry then sure.... Snowflakes are snowflakes.... am I right!!!!!! | |||
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"If you defend Boris and his letter box jokes, you have to start from the position of defending tusk. Likewise if you “snowflake” on tusk you have to start from a position of being equally condemning as Boris. If you take a contradictory position you need to be clear why. " Yeah, I like Boris and I hate Tusk. So not totally contradictory. | |||
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"If you defend Boris and his letter box jokes, you have to start from the position of defending tusk. Likewise if you “snowflake” on tusk you have to start from a position of being equally condemning as Boris. If you take a contradictory position you need to be clear why. Yeah, I like Boris and I hate Tusk. So not totally contradictory. "at least yr honest.  | |||
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"....Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU....." You must have a very selective memory if you remember with fondness the days before the UK joined the Common Market and specifically - what is it about those times that you remember so fondly that you feel has been lost - because of the EU? My memories of the early 1970's are of raw sewerage on Blackpool beach, trains that hardly ever ran on time, a telephone system that was a joke and ordinary people had party lines, failing car and motorcycle production, failing shipbuilders, smog, filthy rivers (I remember smelling the River Thames in central London before you could see it). | |||
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"....Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU..... You must have a very selective memory if you remember with fondness the days before the UK joined the Common Market and specifically - what is it about those times that you remember so fondly that you feel has been lost - because of the EU? My memories of the early 1970's are of raw sewerage on Blackpool beach, trains that hardly ever ran on time, a telephone system that was a joke and ordinary people had party lines, failing car and motorcycle production, failing shipbuilders, smog, filthy rivers (I remember smelling the River Thames in central London before you could see it). " And you think that all those things wouldn’t have improved had we not joined the Common Market? If so please would you explain why?? | |||
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"....Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU..... You must have a very selective memory if you remember with fondness the days before the UK joined the Common Market and specifically - what is it about those times that you remember so fondly that you feel has been lost - because of the EU? My memories of the early 1970's are of raw sewerage on Blackpool beach, trains that hardly ever ran on time, a telephone system that was a joke and ordinary people had party lines, failing car and motorcycle production, failing shipbuilders, smog, filthy rivers (I remember smelling the River Thames in central London before you could see it). And you think that all those things wouldn’t have improved had we not joined the Common Market? If so please would you explain why??" They may have done but I wonder if the more remote areas of the uk such as wales and Cornwall would have benefited from eu funded transport links and infrastructure improvements? I am very aware that the people living in those areas now complain that they can’t afford housing due to second homers and holiday let’s but maybe that’s more about society generating wealth out of artificially inflating property values meaning those with the luck to have a house in London can easily afford to buy a second home as they are not paying a realistic rate of interest for their over valued properties. Just saying... | |||
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"....Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU..... You must have a very selective memory if you remember with fondness the days before the UK joined the Common Market and specifically - what is it about those times that you remember so fondly that you feel has been lost - because of the EU? My memories of the early 1970's are of raw sewerage on Blackpool beach, trains that hardly ever ran on time, a telephone system that was a joke and ordinary people had party lines, failing car and motorcycle production, failing shipbuilders, smog, filthy rivers (I remember smelling the River Thames in central London before you could see it). And you think that all those things wouldn’t have improved had we not joined the Common Market? If so please would you explain why??" The point of my post was to ask what was so good in the 1970's that the EU has destroyed because I don't really remember very much being good at all. Why try to deflect the question instead of answering it? I didn't actually say that any of those things specifically are related to the EU - they are just my memories of that era - not good. | |||
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"....Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU..... You must have a very selective memory if you remember with fondness the days before the UK joined the Common Market and specifically - what is it about those times that you remember so fondly that you feel has been lost - because of the EU? My memories of the early 1970's are of raw sewerage on Blackpool beach, trains that hardly ever ran on time, a telephone system that was a joke and ordinary people had party lines, failing car and motorcycle production, failing shipbuilders, smog, filthy rivers (I remember smelling the River Thames in central London before you could see it). And you think that all those things wouldn’t have improved had we not joined the Common Market? If so please would you explain why?? The point of my post was to ask what was so good in the 1970's that the EU has destroyed because I don't really remember very much being good at all. Why try to deflect the question instead of answering it? I didn't actually say that any of those things specifically are related to the EU - they are just my memories of that era - not good." bloody hell im surprised you remember what it was like in the 70 you most of been a young lad in yr teens every thing seems great at that age anyway | |||
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"....Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU..... You must have a very selective memory if you remember with fondness the days before the UK joined the Common Market and specifically - what is it about those times that you remember so fondly that you feel has been lost - because of the EU? My memories of the early 1970's are of raw sewerage on Blackpool beach, trains that hardly ever ran on time, a telephone system that was a joke and ordinary people had party lines, failing car and motorcycle production, failing shipbuilders, smog, filthy rivers (I remember smelling the River Thames in central London before you could see it). And you think that all those things wouldn’t have improved had we not joined the Common Market? If so please would you explain why?? The point of my post was to ask what was so good in the 1970's that the EU has destroyed because I don't really remember very much being good at all. Why try to deflect the question instead of answering it? I didn't actually say that any of those things specifically are related to the EU - they are just my memories of that era - not good. bloody hell im surprised you remember what it was like in the 70 you most of been a young lad in yr teens every thing seems great at that age anyway " Aged 9 through 19. I remember smog, the smell of coal smoke everywhere. I remember going to London and smelling the Thames before I could see and Blackpool beach had signs on it advising dangers of raw sewerage. I remember us getting a phone on a "party line" and I remember going to Manchester on the trains with my Mother to her wholesale supplier. The trains rarely ran on time. I also remember much industrial strife that was always on the news and slow collapse of car and motorbike manufacturing as imported, so called "jap crap" proved to be anything but. Central heating was a luxury (that we didn't have), double glazing was on Tomorrows World and it was normal for the bedroom window to be frozen on the inside in winter. The personal luxuries that we take for granted these days like multi-car families, televisions in every room, mobile phones, pads and computers - could not even be imagined back then. So yes, I remember a great deal and this is why I am surprised that the poster suggested things were so much better back then. | |||
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"....Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU..... You must have a very selective memory if you remember with fondness the days before the UK joined the Common Market and specifically - what is it about those times that you remember so fondly that you feel has been lost - because of the EU? My memories of the early 1970's are of raw sewerage on Blackpool beach, trains that hardly ever ran on time, a telephone system that was a joke and ordinary people had party lines, failing car and motorcycle production, failing shipbuilders, smog, filthy rivers (I remember smelling the River Thames in central London before you could see it). And you think that all those things wouldn’t have improved had we not joined the Common Market? If so please would you explain why?? The point of my post was to ask what was so good in the 1970's that the EU has destroyed because I don't really remember very much being good at all. Why try to deflect the question instead of answering it? I didn't actually say that any of those things specifically are related to the EU - they are just my memories of that era - not good. bloody hell im surprised you remember what it was like in the 70 you most of been a young lad in yr teens every thing seems great at that age anyway Aged 9 through 19. I remember smog, the smell of coal smoke everywhere. I remember going to London and smelling the Thames before I could see and Blackpool beach had signs on it advising dangers of raw sewerage. I remember us getting a phone on a "party line" and I remember going to Manchester on the trains with my Mother to her wholesale supplier. The trains rarely ran on time. I also remember much industrial strife that was always on the news and slow collapse of car and motorbike manufacturing as imported, so called "jap crap" proved to be anything but. Central heating was a luxury (that we didn't have), double glazing was on Tomorrows World and it was normal for the bedroom window to be frozen on the inside in winter. The personal luxuries that we take for granted these days like multi-car families, televisions in every room, mobile phones, pads and computers - could not even be imagined back then. So yes, I remember a great deal and this is why I am surprised that the poster suggested things were so much better back then." I remember the smog were I live aswell that’s why we get called smoggies but that was because of British steel and ici they were biggest employers in teesside back then all gone now tho when ssi got into trouble the government stood by something about eu rules not allowing them to help good old eu eh even a coin as two sides | |||
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"I had a Raleigh chopper in the 70s a proper British bike.. "a chopper ya posh git I ad a chipper second hand and yellow ffs | |||
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"I am looking at our current brexit secretary and thinking “he doesn’t have a clue!” He is talking about project fear being hoarding medical supplies and roaming charges for calls going up... but they are in his department no deal technical notices! It is not like we did have it confirmed by his own people!!! And whilst that is happened our clueless foreign secretary... who replaced the last clueless foreign secretary, has managed to annoy the Eu and upset the Baltic states with his Eu Soviet Union comparison!!! Full on little englanders today!!!!!" We must have watched different speeches from Dominic Raab then or you're deliberately attempting to misrepresent what he said. He said Project fear doom mongers predict people will be short of medicine, (which won't happen as the no deal planning shows it wouldn't). He said Project fear scaremongers predict mobile roaming charges going through the roof (which won't happen as no deal planning shows Phone companies have ruled it out). As for Jeremy Hunt comparing the EU to a Soviet Union Prison, absolutely spot on, and frankly I couldn't care less if it offends some unelected bureaucratic cunt in Brussels. Can't wait for Boris Johnson's speech tomorrow, then the EU are really going to be properly offended! | |||
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"I noticed that the vast majority of people who say that economics was not the main reason are close to their pension age. It is easy to say that, when in few years time they won't need a job, pension will be protected with triple lock guarantee, they most likely own a house and is set for life. Now say that to a person in their 20s, who owns nothing ( I'm not talking about myself ) Yes ok true cannot disagree there but we also remember the time before we joined the EU.I do see where your coming from but I think you all worry to much,you are finding times hard so maybe life outside the EU maybe better in time.Easier to get a house control your own destiny,it is your chance to make things better without being chained to a body where we are one of 28."Alternatively, being part of a body of 28 gives young people the flexibility, privilege and right to travel and forge your own destiny in a Union of some of the most developed countries in the world,holding roughly 25 percent of the wealth, which currently is the single best place, better than the US or China to invest or actually innovate in technology, engineering and science. So good infact that the US, China and Japan, all pay money upfront to access research projects and innovation investment on an annual to 5 yearly basis. | |||
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"I am looking at our current brexit secretary and thinking “he doesn’t have a clue!” He is talking about project fear being hoarding medical supplies and roaming charges for calls going up... but they are in his department no deal technical notices! It is not like we did have it confirmed by his own people!!! And whilst that is happened our clueless foreign secretary... who replaced the last clueless foreign secretary, has managed to annoy the Eu and upset the Baltic states with his Eu Soviet Union comparison!!! Full on little englanders today!!!!! We must have watched different speeches from Dominic Raab then or you're deliberately attempting to misrepresent what he said. He said Project fear doom mongers predict people will be short of medicine, (which won't happen as the no deal planning shows it wouldn't). He said Project fear scaremongers predict mobile roaming charges going through the roof (which won't happen as no deal planning shows Phone companies have ruled it out). As for Jeremy Hunt comparing the EU to a Soviet Union Prison, absolutely spot on, and frankly I couldn't care less if it offends some unelected bureaucratic cunt in Brussels. Can't wait for Boris Johnson's speech tomorrow, then the EU are really going to be properly offended! "Indeed, I’m working but will watch it as soon as I get home... | |||
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"I am looking at our current brexit secretary and thinking “he doesn’t have a clue!” He is talking about project fear being hoarding medical supplies and roaming charges for calls going up... but they are in his department no deal technical notices! It is not like we did have it confirmed by his own people!!! And whilst that is happened our clueless foreign secretary... who replaced the last clueless foreign secretary, has managed to annoy the Eu and upset the Baltic states with his Eu Soviet Union comparison!!! Full on little englanders today!!!!!" You are just a very very negative person | |||
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"I am looking at our current brexit secretary and thinking “he doesn’t have a clue!” He is talking about project fear being hoarding medical supplies and roaming charges for calls going up... but they are in his department no deal technical notices! It is not like we did have it confirmed by his own people!!! And whilst that is happened our clueless foreign secretary... who replaced the last clueless foreign secretary, has managed to annoy the Eu and upset the Baltic states with his Eu Soviet Union comparison!!! Full on little englanders today!!!!!You are just a very very negative person" What?? Wait a minute... You are saying that calling out a Foreign Secretary for being a complete dickhead is negative? By what standards could any even remotely intelligent person compare the EU to the Soviet Union bearing in mind that the U.K. will need the support of EU countries that were part of the EU to back any kind of Brexit deal. | |||
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"I am looking at our current brexit secretary and thinking “he doesn’t have a clue!” He is talking about project fear being hoarding medical supplies and roaming charges for calls going up... but they are in his department no deal technical notices! It is not like we did have it confirmed by his own people!!! And whilst that is happened our clueless foreign secretary... who replaced the last clueless foreign secretary, has managed to annoy the Eu and upset the Baltic states with his Eu Soviet Union comparison!!! Full on little englanders today!!!!! We must have watched different speeches from Dominic Raab then or you're deliberately attempting to misrepresent what he said. He said Project fear doom mongers predict people will be short of medicine, (which won't happen as the no deal planning shows it wouldn't). He said Project fear scaremongers predict mobile roaming charges going through the roof (which won't happen as no deal planning shows Phone companies have ruled it out). As for Jeremy Hunt comparing the EU to a Soviet Union Prison, absolutely spot on, and frankly I couldn't care less if it offends some unelected bureaucratic cunt in Brussels. Can't wait for Boris Johnson's speech tomorrow, then the EU are really going to be properly offended! "Comparing the EU to the Soviet Union is entirely fatuous. Anyone who thinks theyre the same has the IQ of a chair leg | |||
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"the reason we went into it was because of commerce" When we joined the EEC we were the sick man of europe economically. Hankering for the good old days doesnt really cut it | |||
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"I am looking at our current brexit secretary and thinking “he doesn’t have a clue!” He is talking about project fear being hoarding medical supplies and roaming charges for calls going up... but they are in his department no deal technical notices! It is not like we did have it confirmed by his own people!!! And whilst that is happened our clueless foreign secretary... who replaced the last clueless foreign secretary, has managed to annoy the Eu and upset the Baltic states with his Eu Soviet Union comparison!!! Full on little englanders today!!!!! We must have watched different speeches from Dominic Raab then or you're deliberately attempting to misrepresent what he said. He said Project fear doom mongers predict people will be short of medicine, (which won't happen as the no deal planning shows it wouldn't). He said Project fear scaremongers predict mobile roaming charges going through the roof (which won't happen as no deal planning shows Phone companies have ruled it out). As for Jeremy Hunt comparing the EU to a Soviet Union Prison, absolutely spot on, and frankly I couldn't care less if it offends some unelected bureaucratic cunt in Brussels. Can't wait for Boris Johnson's speech tomorrow, then the EU are really going to be properly offended!
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"The conservatives still can't agree what they want brexit to be, after 2 years! So it's unlikely it's going to be a deal that's remotely good. " Same as Labour then... | |||
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"the reason we went into it was because of commerce When we joined the EEC we were the sick man of europe economically. Hankering for the good old days doesnt really cut it" I don’t think uk was ever one of the poorer European countries. We might soon be though. | |||
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"Britex is not about economics from the eu side ....its about if the UK go and things go well ....others will very soon pack there bags and leave soon after ...eu no more in its current form ....what has it really achieved anyway .." Well I think the 'it might go well' fear has been fully put to bed now. I doubt any other country is looking at the Uk and going 'Hrmm.. that looks like a good move, maybe we should do that?' -Matt | |||
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"Britex is not about economics from the eu side ....its about if the UK go and things go well ....others will very soon pack there bags and leave soon after ...eu no more in its current form ....what has it really achieved anyway .." Unfortunately it hasn’t managed to outlaw muppets yet! I remember the heady days of travelling through Europe before we had customs union and it was a nightmare queuing up at the borders to get your carnet (a bit like a bail bond for customs) that had cost you over £150 stamped correctly (especially at the Italian border where a hift of a handful of smutty mags or some fresh watermelon speeded up your progress) and then being forced to unload a van full of equipment so the serial numbers could be cross checked, and all this in the days before road haulage and just in time deliveries began to shape our distribution systems. Anyone who thinks that was a good thing should take a long hard look at what we will be giving up in terms of simple access to foreign markets. We don’t have an empire anymore and many of our old colonies are unstable or have found a better market in China so it’s not a case of switching the lights off on the eu and the world being a brighter place. We are going to go through a very destabilising time which right now I really don’t think most people are prepared for. I don’t love everything about the eu but I do wonder what’s going to happen as we are in no way ready for the separation. | |||
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"Britex is not about economics from the eu side ....its about if the UK go and things go well ....others will very soon pack there bags and leave soon after ...eu no more in its current form ....what has it really achieved anyway .. Unfortunately it hasn’t managed to outlaw muppets yet! I remember the heady days of travelling through Europe before we had customs union and it was a nightmare queuing up at the borders to get your carnet (a bit like a bail bond for customs) that had cost you over £150 stamped correctly (especially at the Italian border where a hift of a handful of smutty mags or some fresh watermelon speeded up your progress) and then being forced to unload a van full of equipment so the serial numbers could be cross checked, and all this in the days before road haulage and just in time deliveries began to shape our distribution systems. Anyone who thinks that was a good thing should take a long hard look at what we will be giving up in terms of simple access to foreign markets. We don’t have an empire anymore and many of our old colonies are unstable or have found a better market in China so it’s not a case of switching the lights off on the eu and the world being a brighter place. We are going to go through a very destabilising time which right now I really don’t think most people are prepared for. I don’t love everything about the eu but I do wonder what’s going to happen as we are in no way ready for the separation. " So you're saying we can find a better market in China. cool. | |||
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"But you didn’t condem junker for his insagram pic that annoyed the U.K. tho funny that not like you _abio lol " It was a parody of a quote by Boris Johnson about having his cake and eating it. | |||
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"Do they really think they will get a good and even a better deal when leaving the club? What they dont understand is that it is about to not to get the worst deal, whats your view? "It’s about compromise, it should be a deal where no one is happy about it. it keeps with the referendum for brexiteers but is soft enough to be acceptable to remainers. It will be universally hated. But the solution will be acceptable, even though both sides did not get everything they wanted. They got something. | |||
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