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"What a surprise... Not The country is divided down the middle and so is Parliament. It appears that the people will have to have another say in some way because Parliament will not be able to get any kind of Brexit proposal through. If Parliament throws out Chequers... Then what? The Govt may well end up between a rock and a hard place by having to choose between staying in office by offering a further referendum or calling another election. Rather than a “no deal” Brexit, I predict a vote of no confidence in the Govt and probably another election (or eating humble pie and putting the question back to the people). If Parliament cannot pass legislation, it will have to be dissolved and re appointed. " Indeed, not exactly a surprise is it. So much damage, so much wasted energy and money and time. For something that was obviously a farce from the start. Just think of how many other issues our government could have been working on in this time. -Matt | |||
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"What a surprise... Not The country is divided down the middle and so is Parliament. It appears that the people will have to have another say in some way because Parliament will not be able to get any kind of Brexit proposal through. If Parliament throws out Chequers... Then what? The Govt may well end up between a rock and a hard place by having to choose between staying in office by offering a further referendum or calling another election. Rather than a “no deal” Brexit, I predict a vote of no confidence in the Govt and probably another election (or eating humble pie and putting the question back to the people). If Parliament cannot pass legislation, it will have to be dissolved and re appointed. " they don't have the numbers for a no confidence motion to win..... if the DUP abstained it would be a 316-316 tie (which then goes to the speaker) conservatives are more likely to try a coup from within in terms of a leadership contest and replace may than take it to the general public....... | |||
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"What a surprise... Not The country is divided down the middle and so is Parliament. It appears that the people will have to have another say in some way because Parliament will not be able to get any kind of Brexit proposal through. If Parliament throws out Chequers... Then what? The Govt may well end up between a rock and a hard place by having to choose between staying in office by offering a further referendum or calling another election. Rather than a “no deal” Brexit, I predict a vote of no confidence in the Govt and probably another election (or eating humble pie and putting the question back to the people). If Parliament cannot pass legislation, it will have to be dissolved and re appointed. " Sounds like the same cries from remainers we had on here months ago saying there weren't the numbers in Parliament to get the Withdrawal bill through but it passed with a majority. So we shall have to see. | |||
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"Just think of how many other issues our government could have been working on in this time. " I often think about this. In the future there will be a good study to be done of this period, identifying opportunities lost because of the Brexit distraction. | |||
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"What a surprise... Not The country is divided down the middle and so is Parliament. It appears that the people will have to have another say in some way because Parliament will not be able to get any kind of Brexit proposal through. If Parliament throws out Chequers... Then what? The Govt may well end up between a rock and a hard place by having to choose between staying in office by offering a further referendum or calling another election. Rather than a “no deal” Brexit, I predict a vote of no confidence in the Govt and probably another election (or eating humble pie and putting the question back to the people). If Parliament cannot pass legislation, it will have to be dissolved and re appointed. " Under the current scenario the support for the government is firm. Why would anyone have no confidence in the current government. They are doing a great job in difficult circumstances and deserve admiration, not criticism. The vicars daughter who is married time very successfull fund manager is doing a great job of steering the boat through stormy waters . Anothè election would simply prove how strong support is for the Conservative government . | |||
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"What a surprise... Not The country is divided down the middle and so is Parliament. It appears that the people will have to have another say in some way because Parliament will not be able to get any kind of Brexit proposal through. If Parliament throws out Chequers... Then what? The Govt may well end up between a rock and a hard place by having to choose between staying in office by offering a further referendum or calling another election. Rather than a “no deal” Brexit, I predict a vote of no confidence in the Govt and probably another election (or eating humble pie and putting the question back to the people). If Parliament cannot pass legislation, it will have to be dissolved and re appointed. Under the current scenario the support for the government is firm. Why would anyone have no confidence in the current government. They are doing a great job in difficult circumstances and deserve admiration, not criticism. The vicars daughter who is married time very successfull fund manager is doing a great job of steering the boat through stormy waters . Anothè election would simply prove how strong support is for the Conservative government . " Earth to Pat! Earth to Pat! Come in Pat! -Matt | |||
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"What a surprise... Not The country is divided down the middle and so is Parliament. It appears that the people will have to have another say in some way because Parliament will not be able to get any kind of Brexit proposal through. If Parliament throws out Chequers... Then what? The Govt may well end up between a rock and a hard place by having to choose between staying in office by offering a further referendum or calling another election. Rather than a “no deal” Brexit, I predict a vote of no confidence in the Govt and probably another election (or eating humble pie and putting the question back to the people). If Parliament cannot pass legislation, it will have to be dissolved and re appointed. Under the current scenario the support for the government is firm. Why would anyone have no confidence in the current government. They are doing a great job in difficult circumstances and deserve admiration, not criticism. The vicars daughter who is married time very successfull fund manager is doing a great job of steering the boat through stormy waters . Anothè election would simply prove how strong support is for the Conservative government . Earth to Pat! Earth to Pat! Come in Pat! -Matt" pmsl classsss | |||
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"What a surprise... Not The country is divided down the middle and so is Parliament. It appears that the people will have to have another say in some way because Parliament will not be able to get any kind of Brexit proposal through. If Parliament throws out Chequers... Then what? The Govt may well end up between a rock and a hard place by having to choose between staying in office by offering a further referendum or calling another election. Rather than a “no deal” Brexit, I predict a vote of no confidence in the Govt and probably another election (or eating humble pie and putting the question back to the people). If Parliament cannot pass legislation, it will have to be dissolved and re appointed. "  | |||
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"What a surprise... Not The country is divided down the middle and so is Parliament. It appears that the people will have to have another say in some way because Parliament will not be able to get any kind of Brexit proposal through. If Parliament throws out Chequers... Then what? The Govt may well end up between a rock and a hard place by having to choose between staying in office by offering a further referendum or calling another election. Rather than a “no deal” Brexit, I predict a vote of no confidence in the Govt and probably another election (or eating humble pie and putting the question back to the people). If Parliament cannot pass legislation, it will have to be dissolved and re appointed. Indeed, not exactly a surprise is it. So much damage, so much wasted energy and money and time. For something that was obviously a farce from the start. Just think of how many other issues our government could have been working on in this time. -Matt" Yes one of the great problems of the past couple of years is that the government and parliament is not debating many other important issues within our nation | |||
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"The Article 50 period expires in March. The UK leaves, with or without an agreement. The UK Parliament is one of 28 states, plus the Euro Parliament and various regional assemblies, that need to endorse any Brexit deal. So the UK Parliament can endorse a deal and still end up with no deal come March 29." They would extend the time then I am certain.I will be very surprised if we leave on March 29th to be honest,have allwayssaid this | |||
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"I do hope the Gods are on our side, and we walk away with no deal. I don’t like Ms May, but when she said BREXIT means BREXIT, then No deal is better than a bad deal. Just for a short while, I believed in her, that she would do the steering job and take us out of the EU without any fuss, with or without a deal. I knew the snap election would bite her on the arse, but had no idea she would make such a negative campaign. She actually spoke about throwing our pensioners under the bus. THAT is why the result was such a close thing. Political suicide, utterly ridiculous. I’m not going to make any predictions, I just hope the end result is what is best for Britain. Out of the EU, and the single market and the customs union. Full stop." But I'm confused... if you want what is best for Britain, why do you want no deal? -Matt | |||
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"I do hope the Gods are on our side, and we walk away with no deal. I don’t like Ms May, but when she said BREXIT means BREXIT, then No deal is better than a bad deal. Just for a short while, I believed in her, that she would do the steering job and take us out of the EU without any fuss, with or without a deal. I knew the snap election would bite her on the arse, but had no idea she would make such a negative campaign. She actually spoke about throwing our pensioners under the bus. THAT is why the result was such a close thing. Political suicide, utterly ridiculous. I’m not going to make any predictions, I just hope the end result is what is best for Britain. Out of the EU, and the single market and the customs union. Full stop. But I'm confused... if you want what is best for Britain, why do you want no deal? -Matt" Because that is the best outcome after that “Checkers Deal” has been offered and refused. Because no deal is better than a crap deal, I’m not budging on that. The chance of the EU either offering or accepting anything that would be of benefit to us, is absolutely zero... | |||
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"I do hope the Gods are on our side, and we walk away with no deal. I don’t like Ms May, but when she said BREXIT means BREXIT, then No deal is better than a bad deal. Just for a short while, I believed in her, that she would do the steering job and take us out of the EU without any fuss, with or without a deal. I knew the snap election would bite her on the arse, but had no idea she would make such a negative campaign. She actually spoke about throwing our pensioners under the bus. THAT is why the result was such a close thing. Political suicide, utterly ridiculous. I’m not going to make any predictions, I just hope the end result is what is best for Britain. Out of the EU, and the single market and the customs union. Full stop. But I'm confused... if you want what is best for Britain, why do you want no deal? -Matt Because that is the best outcome after that “Checkers Deal” has been offered and refused. Because no deal is better than a crap deal, I’m not budging on that. The chance of the EU either offering or accepting anything that would be of benefit to us, is absolutely zero..." We knew that from the beginning, why on earth would the EU give a deal to a non-EU country? Didn’t stop people voting leave. Is no car better than a bad car? Just saying you won’t budge on something doesn’t mean it makes any sense. | |||
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"All this talk about how great a “no deal” scenarios will be reminds me of an A Level history project that I did on the start of the 2nd World War and specifically a period before it really kicked off. This period was called “The Phoney War.” Between war being declared and early summer 1940 many Politicians and Newspapers were declaring that the Nazi’s could not really afford to go to war with Britain and that it would probably never happen as even if it did, because no one really wanted it, it would be a short and pointless war. Denial was in full swing by May 1940 when the phoney war was at its absolute height with more than half of the population not planning in any way for war because so many politicians and newspapers were publically stating that war would not happen. Jump forward 78 years and look at what is being said about Brexit today. The state of denial about the impact of Brexit is shocking in how widespread and nonchalant it is. No one appears to be caring, not just about the devastating affect on trade but about the absolute countless institutions, regulations, laws and directives that affect almost everything that we take for granted on a day to day basis. The lack of responsibility is criminal and if/when this clustwrfuck does actually come home to roost, I sincerely hope that irresponsible political leaders and media outlets will be held to account. " Sadly that won't happen. The same political leaders and media outlets will blame the EU for punishing the UK and the remainers for betraying their country. It definitely won't be the fault of the liars who mis sold it and the rabid masses who lapped up the bullshit | |||
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"All this talk about how great a “no deal” scenarios will be reminds me of an A Level history project that I did on the start of the 2nd World War and specifically a period before it really kicked off. This period was called “The Phoney War.” Between war being declared and early summer 1940 many Politicians and Newspapers were declaring that the Nazi’s could not really afford to go to war with Britain and that it would probably never happen as even if it did, because no one really wanted it, it would be a short and pointless war. Denial was in full swing by May 1940 when the phoney war was at its absolute height with more than half of the population not planning in any way for war because so many politicians and newspapers were publically stating that war would not happen. Jump forward 78 years and look at what is being said about Brexit today. The state of denial about the impact of Brexit is shocking in how widespread and nonchalant it is. No one appears to be caring, not just about the devastating affect on trade but about the absolute countless institutions, regulations, laws and directives that affect almost everything that we take for granted on a day to day basis. The lack of responsibility is criminal and if/when this clustwrfuck does actually come home to roost, I sincerely hope that irresponsible political leaders and media outlets will be held to account. " A thread by James Patrick on twitter. He is an ex-Police officer, a whistleblower, and investigative journalist. Whilst very alarming, does seem to be very plausible. "Right, I really don't care whether people listen to this Brexit thread. It's just here. This is a sanitised briefing. It is rated as "high level of confidence" and supported by OSINT, meaning it comes from multiple, reliable sources and is supported by open source information. Numerous sources have confirmed the British government is deliberately aiming for a no deal Brexit outcome in order to take advantage of extended powers available to them under the scenario - including civil contingencies and so-called Henry VIII. The Chequers plan is a ploy designed to engage the EU in distraction from the desired British outcome and create a false narrative at home in the UK that the EU are responsible. Sources claim emergency legislation is being prepared for January next year (2019) when the Withdrawal Act no deal deadlines pass - this would be 29/01 and the civil contingencies secretariat have been convened as per leaked Hammond notes recently, adding credibility. On Ireland: The British government hopes the EU will be forced to move first and install a hard border in Ireland in order to avoid blame itself for a situation it has created. Further sources claim the data harvested during Repeal 8th will be used in some "unity" campaigns. The British government has progressed trade talks with the US to the point of potential emergency supply, moving substantially beyond informal discussions - though the Trump administration should not be taken at its word, a degree of reliance on this has been factored in UK side. The government intends to create a tax haven on the EU's doorstep to exploit financial service deregulation. This speaks for itself. The British government aims to prevent France and other EU countries from properly preparing for no deal by continuing to falsely engage in the negotiations in bad faith, keeping the EU27 from moving from early stage plans to contingency measures as long as possible. The British government hopes this will create a ripple effect of impact so it can later pursue a "Europe in chaos" narrative of disinformation and exploit the situation. In short hoping to spread the load of no deal impact, particularly into France due to geographical impact. The British government hopes this collateral damage will add to planned disruption around the EU election processes next spring and they will use dissident relationships to further this - likely to include Orban. The British are aware that contingency planning in France has not yet reached operational unit level even in the GIGN because the general French presumption is that the British government is genuinely engaged in good faith, which they are not. Ends." -Matt | |||
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"All this talk about how great a “no deal” scenarios will be reminds me of an A Level history project that I did on the start of the 2nd World War and specifically a period before it really kicked off. This period was called “The Phoney War.” Between war being declared and early summer 1940 many Politicians and Newspapers were declaring that the Nazi’s could not really afford to go to war with Britain and that it would probably never happen as even if it did, because no one really wanted it, it would be a short and pointless war. Denial was in full swing by May 1940 when the phoney war was at its absolute height with more than half of the population not planning in any way for war because so many politicians and newspapers were publically stating that war would not happen. Jump forward 78 years and look at what is being said about Brexit today. The state of denial about the impact of Brexit is shocking in how widespread and nonchalant it is. No one appears to be caring, not just about the devastating affect on trade but about the absolute countless institutions, regulations, laws and directives that affect almost everything that we take for granted on a day to day basis. The lack of responsibility is criminal and if/when this clustwrfuck does actually come home to roost, I sincerely hope that irresponsible political leaders and media outlets will be held to account. A thread by James Patrick on twitter. He is an ex-Police officer, a whistleblower, and investigative journalist. Whilst very alarming, does seem to be very plausible. "Right, I really don't care whether people listen to this Brexit thread. It's just here. This is a sanitised briefing. It is rated as "high level of confidence" and supported by OSINT, meaning it comes from multiple, reliable sources and is supported by open source information. Numerous sources have confirmed the British government is deliberately aiming for a no deal Brexit outcome in order to take advantage of extended powers available to them under the scenario - including civil contingencies and so-called Henry VIII. The Chequers plan is a ploy designed to engage the EU in distraction from the desired British outcome and create a false narrative at home in the UK that the EU are responsible. Sources claim emergency legislation is being prepared for January next year (2019) when the Withdrawal Act no deal deadlines pass - this would be 29/01 and the civil contingencies secretariat have been convened as per leaked Hammond notes recently, adding credibility. On Ireland: The British government hopes the EU will be forced to move first and install a hard border in Ireland in order to avoid blame itself for a situation it has created. Further sources claim the data harvested during Repeal 8th will be used in some "unity" campaigns. The British government has progressed trade talks with the US to the point of potential emergency supply, moving substantially beyond informal discussions - though the Trump administration should not be taken at its word, a degree of reliance on this has been factored in UK side. The government intends to create a tax haven on the EU's doorstep to exploit financial service deregulation. This speaks for itself. The British government aims to prevent France and other EU countries from properly preparing for no deal by continuing to falsely engage in the negotiations in bad faith, keeping the EU27 from moving from early stage plans to contingency measures as long as possible. The British government hopes this will create a ripple effect of impact so it can later pursue a "Europe in chaos" narrative of disinformation and exploit the situation. In short hoping to spread the load of no deal impact, particularly into France due to geographical impact. The British government hopes this collateral damage will add to planned disruption around the EU election processes next spring and they will use dissident relationships to further this - likely to include Orban. The British are aware that contingency planning in France has not yet reached operational unit level even in the GIGN because the general French presumption is that the British government is genuinely engaged in good faith, which they are not. Ends." -Matt" You're suggesting the government is this well orchestrated ? Ironically if this were the case brexit could indeed make the UK a stronger nation ? The article sounds like pro leave propaganda xxx | |||
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"All this talk about how great a “no deal” scenarios will be reminds me of an A Level history project that I did on the start of the 2nd World War and specifically a period before it really kicked off. This period was called “The Phoney War.” Between war being declared and early summer 1940 many Politicians and Newspapers were declaring that the Nazi’s could not really afford to go to war with Britain and that it would probably never happen as even if it did, because no one really wanted it, it would be a short and pointless war. Denial was in full swing by May 1940 when the phoney war was at its absolute height with more than half of the population not planning in any way for war because so many politicians and newspapers were publically stating that war would not happen. Jump forward 78 years and look at what is being said about Brexit today. The state of denial about the impact of Brexit is shocking in how widespread and nonchalant it is. No one appears to be caring, not just about the devastating affect on trade but about the absolute countless institutions, regulations, laws and directives that affect almost everything that we take for granted on a day to day basis. The lack of responsibility is criminal and if/when this clustwrfuck does actually come home to roost, I sincerely hope that irresponsible political leaders and media outlets will be held to account. A thread by James Patrick on twitter. He is an ex-Police officer, a whistleblower, and investigative journalist. Whilst very alarming, does seem to be very plausible. "Right, I really don't care whether people listen to this Brexit thread. It's just here. This is a sanitised briefing. It is rated as "high level of confidence" and supported by OSINT, meaning it comes from multiple, reliable sources and is supported by open source information. Numerous sources have confirmed the British government is deliberately aiming for a no deal Brexit outcome in order to take advantage of extended powers available to them under the scenario - including civil contingencies and so-called Henry VIII. The Chequers plan is a ploy designed to engage the EU in distraction from the desired British outcome and create a false narrative at home in the UK that the EU are responsible. Sources claim emergency legislation is being prepared for January next year (2019) when the Withdrawal Act no deal deadlines pass - this would be 29/01 and the civil contingencies secretariat have been convened as per leaked Hammond notes recently, adding credibility. On Ireland: The British government hopes the EU will be forced to move first and install a hard border in Ireland in order to avoid blame itself for a situation it has created. Further sources claim the data harvested during Repeal 8th will be used in some "unity" campaigns. The British government has progressed trade talks with the US to the point of potential emergency supply, moving substantially beyond informal discussions - though the Trump administration should not be taken at its word, a degree of reliance on this has been factored in UK side. The government intends to create a tax haven on the EU's doorstep to exploit financial service deregulation. This speaks for itself. The British government aims to prevent France and other EU countries from properly preparing for no deal by continuing to falsely engage in the negotiations in bad faith, keeping the EU27 from moving from early stage plans to contingency measures as long as possible. The British government hopes this will create a ripple effect of impact so it can later pursue a "Europe in chaos" narrative of disinformation and exploit the situation. In short hoping to spread the load of no deal impact, particularly into France due to geographical impact. The British government hopes this collateral damage will add to planned disruption around the EU election processes next spring and they will use dissident relationships to further this - likely to include Orban. The British are aware that contingency planning in France has not yet reached operational unit level even in the GIGN because the general French presumption is that the British government is genuinely engaged in good faith, which they are not. Ends." -Matt You're suggesting the government is this well orchestrated ? Ironically if this were the case brexit could indeed make the UK a stronger nation ? The article sounds like pro leave propaganda xxx" But it doesn't take much orchestration to just dig your heels in and be belligerent whilst fronting May to faff about a bit. -Matt | |||
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"All this talk about how great a “no deal” scenarios will be reminds me of an A Level history project that I did on the start of the 2nd World War and specifically a period before it really kicked off. This period was called “The Phoney War.” Between war being declared and early summer 1940 many Politicians and Newspapers were declaring that the Nazi’s could not really afford to go to war with Britain and that it would probably never happen as even if it did, because no one really wanted it, it would be a short and pointless war. Denial was in full swing by May 1940 when the phoney war was at its absolute height with more than half of the population not planning in any way for war because so many politicians and newspapers were publically stating that war would not happen. Jump forward 78 years and look at what is being said about Brexit today. The state of denial about the impact of Brexit is shocking in how widespread and nonchalant it is. No one appears to be caring, not just about the devastating affect on trade but about the absolute countless institutions, regulations, laws and directives that affect almost everything that we take for granted on a day to day basis. The lack of responsibility is criminal and if/when this clustwrfuck does actually come home to roost, I sincerely hope that irresponsible political leaders and media outlets will be held to account. " This is hardly a like for like comparison. We will still be part of Europe, just trading on slightly different terms. On a simplistic basis we will simply be reverting to trading on WTO terms and removing a lot of EU red tape. If there was any possibility of your gloomy scenario happening share prices would be collapsing. This is not the case. | |||
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"All this talk about how great a “no deal” scenarios will be reminds me of an A Level history project that I did on the start of the 2nd World War and specifically a period before it really kicked off. This period was called “The Phoney War.” Between war being declared and early summer 1940 many Politicians and Newspapers were declaring that the Nazi’s could not really afford to go to war with Britain and that it would probably never happen as even if it did, because no one really wanted it, it would be a short and pointless war. Denial was in full swing by May 1940 when the phoney war was at its absolute height with more than half of the population not planning in any way for war because so many politicians and newspapers were publically stating that war would not happen. Jump forward 78 years and look at what is being said about Brexit today. The state of denial about the impact of Brexit is shocking in how widespread and nonchalant it is. No one appears to be caring, not just about the devastating affect on trade but about the absolute countless institutions, regulations, laws and directives that affect almost everything that we take for granted on a day to day basis. The lack of responsibility is criminal and if/when this clustwrfuck does actually come home to roost, I sincerely hope that irresponsible political leaders and media outlets will be held to account. This is hardly a like for like comparison. We will still be part of Europe, just trading on slightly different terms. On a simplistic basis we will simply be reverting to trading on WTO terms and removing a lot of EU red tape. If there was any possibility of your gloomy scenario happening share prices would be collapsing. This is not the case. " repalcing red tape  | |||
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" We will still be part of Europe, just trading on slightly different terms. On a simplistic basis we will simply be reverting to trading on WTO terms and removing a lot of EU red tape. If there was any possibility of your gloomy scenario happening share prices would be collapsing. This is not the case. " Lolol i cannot believe anyone thinks switching from a free trade zone to one governed by WTO rules and tarrifs means less red tape. We'll be drowning in the feckin' stuff. | |||
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"All this talk about how great a “no deal” scenarios will be reminds me of an A Level history project that I did on the start of the 2nd World War and specifically a period before it really kicked off. This period was called “The Phoney War.” Between war being declared and early summer 1940 many Politicians and Newspapers were declaring that the Nazi’s could not really afford to go to war with Britain and that it would probably never happen as even if it did, because no one really wanted it, it would be a short and pointless war. Denial was in full swing by May 1940 when the phoney war was at its absolute height with more than half of the population not planning in any way for war because so many politicians and newspapers were publically stating that war would not happen. Jump forward 78 years and look at what is being said about Brexit today. The state of denial about the impact of Brexit is shocking in how widespread and nonchalant it is. No one appears to be caring, not just about the devastating affect on trade but about the absolute countless institutions, regulations, laws and directives that affect almost everything that we take for granted on a day to day basis. The lack of responsibility is criminal and if/when this clustwrfuck does actually come home to roost, I sincerely hope that irresponsible political leaders and media outlets will be held to account. This is hardly a like for like comparison. We will still be part of Europe, just trading on slightly different terms. On a simplistic basis we will simply be reverting to trading on WTO terms and removing a lot of EU red tape. If there was any possibility of your gloomy scenario happening share prices would be collapsing. This is not the case. " Of course it is a like for like comparison because half of those who voted are adamant that everything will be alright on the night because "they" need us more than we need them, "they" need our money and would not abandon a significant trading partner and "they" would not stand by their laws, rules, and regulations because it would be inconvenient for them as well as us. The issue is that so many Brexiters 9like you) are unwilling or unable to take on board not just the concept of how bureaucratic WTO rules will be compared to now (you say getting rid of red tape - the reality is increasing it by 100X) but also the tens of thousands of treaties and agreements that underpin the fabric of our day to day lives. Abandoning all of those treaties in a "no deal" scenario will have a bigger impact on the day to day lives of ordinary folk which many will cope with until the knock on economic effect catches up a few weeks later. Kind of like a tsunami following an earthquake. You might negotiate the tremors and the collapsing buildings initially, but don't worry a 20-foot wave is on its way as well. | |||
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