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"But may said yesterday to the eu leaders there won’t be a second vote or a delay " If there is a majority in Parliament for a People's Vote, there are multiple routes to securing one . | |||
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"Well I can’t see it but will wait and see not long now " Ive read that labour are going to vote on weather to back a second people's vote at their conference in Liverpool next week .So we will know soon enough. | |||
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"But may said yesterday to the eu leaders there won’t be a second vote or a delay " there should not be a second referendum . its not a game .remoaners take note | |||
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"But may said yesterday to the eu leaders there won’t be a second vote or a delay there should not be a second referendum . its not a game .remoaners take note " .  | |||
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"But may said yesterday to the eu leaders there won’t be a second vote or a delay there should not be a second referendum . its not a game .remoaners take note " Silly brexiters Game theory is being applied to brexit and the negotiations as we speak. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way." Ooooh fighting talk.... Would you buy a car or a house without knowing what would be like or not knowing any of the perils and pitfalls And yet... people are happy to vote blind but kick up a stink when anyone mentions specifics.... I think the hard brexiters are the ones more worried about the inevitable 2nd referendum coming | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way." Why the anger ? If the vote remains the same you’re happy. If the vote changes isn’t this the (new) will of the people so you’d accept the vote in the way you demand of remainers. A vote isnt random. If it swings then it’s because people have changed their mind. The more people act as though it can randomaly change like tossing a coin, the more you undermine the validity of the last vote. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. Ooooh fighting talk.... Would you buy a car or a house without knowing what would be like or not knowing any of the perils and pitfalls And yet... people are happy to vote blind but kick up a stink when anyone mentions specifics.... I think the hard brexiters are the ones more worried about the inevitable 2nd referendum coming " would you buy a house without knowing what it would be like ffs not this again know one knew what it was going to be like and we still don’t but it didn’t sway the vote yr way if we had a second vote and it was still the same it wudnt stop the cronies moaning you wud still post the jumping of the cliff shit lol same old shit diffrent day guys | |||
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"But may said yesterday to the eu leaders there won’t be a second vote or a delay " Theresa May also said in the recent BBC Panorama programme on Brexit that there is a time and a place to be a 'bloody difficult woman' so maybe now this is her time. She knows she can't make any more concessions on her Chequers plan, the Conservative party won't stand for it, and they may not even vote for it as it stands anyway. Chequers is a take it or leave it as it stands option now for the EU. As well as telling the EU leaders in Salzberg yesterday (which has been likened to a meeting of Bond Villains) that there will be NO 2nd referendum, Theresa May also told EU leaders they have 2 months to strike a deal otherwise the UK will push forward with the No Deal Brexit option and it's clear now the UK is already making preparations for a no deal scenario. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way." Wow don't have a melt down snowflake xxx | |||
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"If u don't like the result keep voting till u get the one u want ...how about best of three ...with the way the eu twats have so far responded...the result may be even wider next time ...my pub survey says a few have change side to leave now and stand up for ourselves ...let the Germans have the eu for themselves ...." As I said, this mentality suggests the will of the people is subject to random chance. If it’s swing further to leave, then that just cements the position further. A good thing, no ? | |||
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"As someone who was undecided and in the end did not vote and I also know I dont have much of a say but If there was a second vote and it went the same way as the first would the remainers then ask for another vote or would the result be accepted Conversley if the vote was reversed would the Brexiters accept that result or go for best of 3 " Good question. I don’t think anyone has to accept any vote just because they are on the wrong side of the majority on the day. Be this ukip for the last number of years, or remainers today. I would say the result would be more credible to more people if it was clearer what the options meant (that is, each option has a manifesto like document) and both sides committed to less sensationalist vote bating. That we have had eighteen months of bringing out the details would also help add weight. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way." What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. " not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . " It's pretty evident that you don't actually know what democracy is going off your posts where you exhibit constantly a total ignorance of the fact that when a decision has been democratically made the other side or those opposed to the position taken can within the laws of the land try and change the position or decisions taken.. The only ones who have spoken such piffle have been those on here who voted to leave and have gotten angrier and more frustrated with the mess it is and the reality that phrases like fuck it just walk away, leave now etc are ridiculous.. Show me one remainder on here who has ever talked of anarchy? Fact is you can't.. | |||
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"shall we have a ref on capital punishment...then whats the next one on ...x" tbh this is probably a better subject to have a referendum on than the Eu. It’s well defined and can be understood. | |||
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"If u don't like the result keep voting till u get the one u want ...how about best of three ...with the way the eu twats have so far responded...the result may be even wider next time ...my pub survey says a few have change side to leave now and stand up for ourselves ...let the Germans have the eu for themselves .... As I said, this mentality suggests the will of the people is subject to random chance. If it’s swing further to leave, then that just cements the position further. A good thing, no ?" What if remain lost another vote on it, would you then want best of 5? Or just keep moaning and voting until you get the result you want? | |||
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"The first sane comment from anyone in the morning after the result of the referendum was that the negotiations over the divorce and any subsequent deal would be a case of brinksmanship and go right down to the wire. Very obvious....but very enlightened. I only wish I could remember who said that and post a YouTube link." And that’s the crux of it. | |||
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"If u don't like the result keep voting till u get the one u want ...how about best of three ...with the way the eu twats have so far responded...the result may be even wider next time ...my pub survey says a few have change side to leave now and stand up for ourselves ...let the Germans have the eu for themselves .... As I said, this mentality suggests the will of the people is subject to random chance. If it’s swing further to leave, then that just cements the position further. A good thing, no ? What if remain lost another vote on it, would you then want best of 5? Or just keep moaning and voting until you get the result you want? " | |||
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"If u don't like the result keep voting till u get the one u want ...how about best of three ...with the way the eu twats have so far responded...the result may be even wider next time ...my pub survey says a few have change side to leave now and stand up for ourselves ...let the Germans have the eu for themselves .... As I said, this mentality suggests the will of the people is subject to random chance. If it’s swing further to leave, then that just cements the position further. A good thing, no ? What if remain lost another vote on it, would you then want best of 5? Or just keep moaning and voting until you get the result you want? " again, if the vote does change it’s because the will of the people have changed. If the 2nd vote was to remain, would you accept it ? The berexit vote was based on sovereignty but there seems to be a fear about getting the “wrong” result I can’t qyite fathom. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. " It is so sad that this to my mind is exactly the fact x | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . " I think you miss the point The opinion is split almost exactly 50 50 It is reasonable to suggest leaving is suicidal where as remaining is unpalatable Whatever happens next 50 percent of the population are at great odds with the other what you decry as anarchy is going to happen now regardless of which side actions it However it is telling that most 're moaners are not suggesting they will resort to the childish act of anarchy if we do leave , only that they will passionatly vocally and relentlessly articulate good reasoning why it is a retrograde direction Leave supporters however seem to show a particular violent trait suggesting they will band together in a more violent way to object to any decisions made against there wishes I'd suggest their rhetoric is most telling xxx | |||
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"The French president spoke the truth, At the time of the referendum we the public who voted, did not have the real facts, we were fed lies by politicians that once the vote was concluded, mysteriously all disappeared to leave the current incumbent of number 10 to sort the mess out!!! I am not a fan of our pm and feel she is swimmingfar out of her depth, now is the time to sort the bloody mess out and have a second referendum. The public need to raise their voices to rally their local M.P’s and put things right... What a fucking mess " thats why i hear (from people who know people who know people) the last big stack of EU technical notices won't be released till after the party conferences as these may contain some of the more "hefty" consequences... i.e aviation and planes potentially having to be grounded, uk pilots licenses not being recognised, stuff to do with the channel tunnel, potential for UK registered banks card not working, insurance on cars and lorries ect ect ect | |||
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"The French president spoke the truth, At the time of the referendum we the public who voted, did not have the real facts, we were fed lies by politicians that once the vote was concluded, mysteriously all disappeared to leave the current incumbent of number 10 to sort the mess out!!! I am not a fan of our pm and feel she is swimmingfar out of her depth, now is the time to sort the bloody mess out and have a second referendum. The public need to raise their voices to rally their local M.P’s and put things right... What a fucking mess thats why i hear (from people who know people who know people) the last big stack of EU technical notices won't be released till after the party conferences as these may contain some of the more "hefty" consequences... i.e aviation and planes potentially having to be grounded, uk pilots licenses not being recognised, stuff to do with the channel tunnel, potential for UK registered banks card not working, insurance on cars and lorries ect ect ect" says who ? Oh wait !! The remainers and the propaganda | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . I think you miss the point The opinion is split almost exactly 50 50 It is reasonable to suggest leaving is suicidal where as remaining is unpalatable Whatever happens next 50 percent of the population are at great odds with the other what you decry as anarchy is going to happen now regardless of which side actions it However it is telling that most 're moaners are not suggesting they will resort to the childish act of anarchy if we do leave , only that they will passionatly vocally and relentlessly articulate good reasoning why it is a retrograde direction Leave supporters however seem to show a particular violent trait suggesting they will band together in a more violent way to object to any decisions made against there wishes I'd suggest their rhetoric is most telling xxx" but it was not 50 50 was it ? | |||
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"But may said yesterday to the eu leaders there won’t be a second vote or a delay " No she didn't. She said "this government" wouldn't accept a second referendum. The government could change. Or she could change her mind like she did on the last general election. And for the umpteenth time to those banging on about democracy. You can't undermine it through more democracy. Even if no-one at all has changed their mind since the original vote then number of old people dying vs young people becoming eligible to vote means that leavers would still be in a minority by next January. So we're going back in sooner or later anyway. Sooooo, just why the fuck should we be wasting all this time, effort and money on the lost cause, clusterfuck of Brexit is beyond me. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . I think you miss the point The opinion is split almost exactly 50 50 It is reasonable to suggest leaving is suicidal where as remaining is unpalatable Whatever happens next 50 percent of the population are at great odds with the other what you decry as anarchy is going to happen now regardless of which side actions it However it is telling that most 're moaners are not suggesting they will resort to the childish act of anarchy if we do leave , only that they will passionatly vocally and relentlessly articulate good reasoning why it is a retrograde direction Leave supporters however seem to show a particular violent trait suggesting they will band together in a more violent way to object to any decisions made against there wishes I'd suggest their rhetoric is most telling xxxbut it was not 50 50 was it ?" Oh for fuck sake The whole population did not vote One or two percent either way does not a war prevent I clearly said me the population not who voted 49. 51 is in objective real terms half the fucking population disagreeing vehemently with the other , two percent either way is meaningless in the street  | |||
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"But may said yesterday to the eu leaders there won’t be a second vote or a delay No she didn't. She said "this government" wouldn't accept a second referendum. The government could change. Or she could change her mind like she did on the last general election. And for the umpteenth time to those banging on about democracy. You can't undermine it through more democracy. Even if no-one at all has changed their mind since the original vote then number of old people dying vs young people becoming eligible to vote means that leavers would still be in a minority by next January. So we're going back in sooner or later anyway. Sooooo, just why the fuck should we be wasting all this time, effort and money on the lost cause, clusterfuck of Brexit is beyond me. " | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . I think you miss the point The opinion is split almost exactly 50 50 It is reasonable to suggest leaving is suicidal where as remaining is unpalatable Whatever happens next 50 percent of the population are at great odds with the other what you decry as anarchy is going to happen now regardless of which side actions it However it is telling that most 're moaners are not suggesting they will resort to the childish act of anarchy if we do leave , only that they will passionatly vocally and relentlessly articulate good reasoning why it is a retrograde direction Leave supporters however seem to show a particular violent trait suggesting they will band together in a more violent way to object to any decisions made against there wishes I'd suggest their rhetoric is most telling xxxbut it was not 50 50 was it ? Oh for fuck sake The whole population did not vote One or two percent either way does not a war prevent I clearly said me the population not who voted 49. 51 is in objective real terms half the fucking population disagreeing vehemently with the other , two percent either way is meaningless in the street "So you know that if they was a 100% vote we would of remained ? | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . I think you miss the point The opinion is split almost exactly 50 50 It is reasonable to suggest leaving is suicidal where as remaining is unpalatable Whatever happens next 50 percent of the population are at great odds with the other what you decry as anarchy is going to happen now regardless of which side actions it However it is telling that most 're moaners are not suggesting they will resort to the childish act of anarchy if we do leave , only that they will passionatly vocally and relentlessly articulate good reasoning why it is a retrograde direction Leave supporters however seem to show a particular violent trait suggesting they will band together in a more violent way to object to any decisions made against there wishes I'd suggest their rhetoric is most telling xxxbut it was not 50 50 was it ? Oh for fuck sake The whole population did not vote One or two percent either way does not a war prevent I clearly said me the population not who voted 49. 51 is in objective real terms half the fucking population disagreeing vehemently with the other , two percent either way is meaningless in the street So you know that if they was a 100% vote we would of remained ? "That was not what I was saying or suggesting I'm not even siding with remain My point is that for reasons of simplicity half the population passionately disagrees with Xie other and regardless of any outcome great discord will be occurring It was suggested threatened that anarchy will ensue IF the will brexit does not happen My point was with a near 50 50 split great disquiet will be happening for years regardless I expected better of you toshi | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . I think you miss the point The opinion is split almost exactly 50 50 It is reasonable to suggest leaving is suicidal where as remaining is unpalatable Whatever happens next 50 percent of the population are at great odds with the other what you decry as anarchy is going to happen now regardless of which side actions it However it is telling that most 're moaners are not suggesting they will resort to the childish act of anarchy if we do leave , only that they will passionatly vocally and relentlessly articulate good reasoning why it is a retrograde direction Leave supporters however seem to show a particular violent trait suggesting they will band together in a more violent way to object to any decisions made against there wishes I'd suggest their rhetoric is most telling xxxbut it was not 50 50 was it ? Oh for fuck sake The whole population did not vote One or two percent either way does not a war prevent I clearly said me the population not who voted 49. 51 is in objective real terms half the fucking population disagreeing vehemently with the other , two percent either way is meaningless in the street So you know that if they was a 100% vote we would of remained ?
That was not what I was saying or suggesting
I'm not even siding with remain
My point is that for reasons of simplicity half the population passionately disagrees with Xie other and regardless of any outcome great discord will be occurring
It was suggested threatened that anarchy will ensue IF the will brexit does not happen
My point was with a near 50 50 split great disquiet will be happening for years regardless
I expected better of you toshi"It wasn't 50/50, it wasn't 51/49, it was 52/48 majority in favour of Leave. To break it down into raw numbers leave got over a million more votes than remain, it wasn't anywhere near a close run thing, you lost by over a million votes ffs! | |||
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"The French president spoke the truth, At the time of the referendum we the public who voted, did not have the real facts, we were fed lies by politicians that once the vote was concluded, mysteriously all disappeared to leave the current incumbent of number 10 to sort the mess out!!! I am not a fan of our pm and feel she is swimmingfar out of her depth, now is the time to sort the bloody mess out and have a second referendum. The public need to raise their voices to rally their local M.P’s and put things right... What a fucking mess " Is this the French President Macron you're quoting? Macron who happens to be on a poll rating of about 19% in France at the moment, he's doing more than double worse than Trump is getting in his own domestic polls, lol. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . I think you miss the point The opinion is split almost exactly 50 50 It is reasonable to suggest leaving is suicidal where as remaining is unpalatable Whatever happens next 50 percent of the population are at great odds with the other what you decry as anarchy is going to happen now regardless of which side actions it However it is telling that most 're moaners are not suggesting they will resort to the childish act of anarchy if we do leave , only that they will passionatly vocally and relentlessly articulate good reasoning why it is a retrograde direction Leave supporters however seem to show a particular violent trait suggesting they will band together in a more violent way to object to any decisions made against there wishes I'd suggest their rhetoric is most telling xxxbut it was not 50 50 was it ? Oh for fuck sake The whole population did not vote One or two percent either way does not a war prevent I clearly said me the population not who voted 49. 51 is in objective real terms half the fucking population disagreeing vehemently with the other , two percent either way is meaningless in the street So you know that if they was a 100% vote we would of remained ?
That was not what I was saying or suggesting
I'm not even siding with remain
My point is that for reasons of simplicity half the population passionately disagrees with Xie other and regardless of any outcome great discord will be occurring
It was suggested threatened that anarchy will ensue IF the will brexit does not happen
My point was with a near 50 50 split great disquiet will be happening for years regardless
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"So here we are again. Our strong and stable government leader has yet again been told by the EU that her proposals are unacceptable and her time is running out and what is her reaction? I don't want to hear that, here are my proposals take them or I will force the UK to walk away without a deal and you can't do that. I wonder at what point will she work out that the EU are not bluffing and have not been bluffing at any time. The question is will May fold or will she go all in even if it destroys the UK? My money is on all in." Go all in . Fuck em | |||
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" Fuck em " And who should be held responsible if the gamble fails, the economy crashes and people start starving and dying for lack of medicines? | |||
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" Fuck em And who should be held responsible if the gamble fails, the economy crashes and people start starving and dying for lack of medicines?" or the country prospers . Everyone has a job .Our NHS thrives . Think positive instead of negative | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way." So, your idea of democracy is that we have one referendum that you lost by 67% to 33%. You then wing, moan and complain about the result until you get a second referendum which you win ( with an illegal campaign ) by 52% to 48% and then say "that's the end of it, no more discussion, no more democracy, we cheated but we won. Now do as we say or we'll beat you up". We're not scared of you guys. If you want to come out and riot when you loos the next referendum that will just show to the rest of the people where you really stand on the rule of law and democracy. Looks like your moving from project fantasy to project intimidate. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. So, your idea of democracy is that we have one referendum that you lost by 67% to 33%. You then wing, moan and complain about the result until you get a second referendum which you win ( with an illegal campaign ) by 52% to 48% and then say "that's the end of it, no more discussion, no more democracy, we cheated but we won. Now do as we say or we'll beat you up". We're not scared of you guys. If you want to come out and riot when you loos the next referendum that will just show to the rest of the people where you really stand on the rule of law and democracy. Looks like your moving from project fantasy to project intimidate. " Well seeing as we had to wait 40 years for the 2nd referendum, how about you wait 40 years before we can have a 3rd one? Seems fair, or are you worried the EU won't last that long? | |||
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"If u don't like the result keep voting till u get the one u want ...how about best of three ...with the way the eu twats have so far responded...the result may be even wider next time ...my pub survey says a few have change side to leave now and stand up for ourselves ...let the Germans have the eu for themselves ...." Why not have the best of 3. We had the first in 1975 which remain won by 67% to 33%. We had the second in 2016 which leave won ( with an illegal campaign ) by 52% to 48%. A third one in 2018/19 might settle it. If Leave win again, even by a slimmer margin, then, provided their campaign is not illegal, the matter is settled, we leave. | |||
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"If u don't like the result keep voting till u get the one u want ...how about best of three ...with the way the eu twats have so far responded...the result may be even wider next time ...my pub survey says a few have change side to leave now and stand up for ourselves ...let the Germans have the eu for themselves .... Why not have the best of 3. We had the first in 1975 which remain won by 67% to 33%. We had the second in 2016 which leave won ( with an illegal campaign ) by 52% to 48%. A third one in 2018/19 might settle it. If Leave win again, even by a slimmer margin, then, provided their campaign is not illegal, the matter is settled, we leave. " Would not happen like that though cause you remoaners will go on and on till you remain . Just get over it | |||
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"If u don't like the result keep voting till u get the one u want ...how about best of three ...with the way the eu twats have so far responded...the result may be even wider next time ...my pub survey says a few have change side to leave now and stand up for ourselves ...let the Germans have the eu for themselves .... As I said, this mentality suggests the will of the people is subject to random chance. If it’s swing further to leave, then that just cements the position further. A good thing, no ? What if remain lost another vote on it, would you then want best of 5? Or just keep moaning and voting until you get the result you want? " I would still think it was a terrible mistake and say so. I would also still campaign and put forward the argument that we should rejoin. However I would accept that the decision was the informed consent of the people given in the full knowledge of what the possible results of that decision were. Not unlike the position taken by leavers after the first referendum in 1975. | |||
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"Why do people who voted too remain. think everyone who voted out is thick and did not know what we was voting for ? Of course we did . We are leaving get over it " We don't think that the everyone who voted out is too thick and did not know what they were voting for. However we do know that some people who voted leave wanted a no deal BREXIT, others wanted a Canada or Canada+++ deal and others wanted a Norway (EEA/EFTA) type deal similar to what we had from 1960 (when the UK joined EFTA) to 1973. Neither Remainers or Leavers know now which deal we're going to get so, while most Leavers, like Remainers, new what they wanted to get no Leaver could have possibly known what they were going to get because we still don't even now. | |||
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"If u don't like the result keep voting till u get the one u want ...how about best of three ...with the way the eu twats have so far responded...the result may be even wider next time ...my pub survey says a few have change side to leave now and stand up for ourselves ...let the Germans have the eu for themselves .... Why not have the best of 3. We had the first in 1975 which remain won by 67% to 33%. We had the second in 2016 which leave won ( with an illegal campaign ) by 52% to 48%. A third one in 2018/19 might settle it. If Leave win again, even by a slimmer margin, then, provided their campaign is not illegal, the matter is settled, we leave. " Why not do scissor paper stone? Get real . Best of 3 is not how democracy works | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. So, your idea of democracy is that we have one referendum that you lost by 67% to 33%. You then wing, moan and complain about the result until you get a second referendum which you win ( with an illegal campaign ) by 52% to 48% and then say "that's the end of it, no more discussion, no more democracy, we cheated but we won. Now do as we say or we'll beat you up". We're not scared of you guys. If you want to come out and riot when you loos the next referendum that will just show to the rest of the people where you really stand on the rule of law and democracy. Looks like your moving from project fantasy to project intimidate. Well seeing as we had to wait 40 years for the 2nd referendum, how about you wait 40 years before we can have a 3rd one? Seems fair, or are you worried the EU won't last that long? " TBH I don't think I'll last that long. It's a bit like the Article 50 thing. Leavers didn't want it to be done by a vote in parliament but actually, because it was done by a vote in Parliament it actually makes BREXIT more secure and likely now than if it hadn't. Similar with this. If we have a referendum on the deal or remain and the deal wins then BREXIT is secure. There is a risk but a secure BREXIT should be worth the risk. One thing I'm pretty sure about is if we have any BREXIT other than the most soft BREXIT with out a confirmation referendum and things go as badly as some say thet might then there will be another referendum to re-enter in much less than 40 years. | |||
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"If u don't like the result keep voting till u get the one u want ...how about best of three ...with the way the eu twats have so far responded...the result may be even wider next time ...my pub survey says a few have change side to leave now and stand up for ourselves ...let the Germans have the eu for themselves .... Why not have the best of 3. We had the first in 1975 which remain won by 67% to 33%. We had the second in 2016 which leave won ( with an illegal campaign ) by 52% to 48%. A third one in 2018/19 might settle it. If Leave win again, even by a slimmer margin, then, provided their campaign is not illegal, the matter is settled, we leave. Why not do scissor paper stone? Get real . Best of 3 is not how democracy works " Actually that is exactly how democracy works. Things change, people change their minds. A democracy should reflect that. Nothing is cast in stone. | |||
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"So let's say we have another referendum . The remainers win . What is the point of democracy? We voted . Majority want out . Suck it up " You’re arguing having a vote is anti democratic ? | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. Ooooh fighting talk.... Would you buy a car or a house without knowing what would be like or not knowing any of the perils and pitfalls And yet... people are happy to vote blind but kick up a stink when anyone mentions specifics.... I think the hard brexiters are the ones more worried about the inevitable 2nd referendum coming would you buy a house without knowing what it would be like ffs not this again know one knew what it was going to be like and we still don’t but it didn’t sway the vote yr way if we had a second vote and it was still the same it wudnt stop the cronies moaning you wud still post the jumping of the cliff shit lol same old shit diffrent day guys " Lol, at least if you jump over the cliff that is it. Too late to change your mind, you will hit the bottom. Unfortunately our sham of a govt have been kicking the can down the road on BREXIT for the best part of two years, making zero progress. This concerns me, because I believe that Ms May is still a remoaner, and after two years of negativity, they might just get a reversal in a second referendum. If the leave won again in a second referendum, then we will have to put up with the “transitional” period of two years, during which there will be a general election, They are pissing down our backs and telling us it is raining. We absolutely cannot allow this to continue... | |||
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"So let's say we have another referendum . The remainers win . What is the point of democracy? We voted . Majority want out . Suck it up " Tosh, in another post you said that remainers think leavers are thick which is patently not the case but when you post the above i have to scratch my head and wonder does he know what he is talking about re democracy.. your not alone and its mostly those on the leave side who seem to fail to grasp that how democracy works is exactly that, after a decision the opposing side within the rules can and absolutely should be able to challenge and try to change that decision.. that is the central and fundamental ethos of democracy, we do it and have done so in parish, council, European and general elections.. why is it that only with the brexit ref that the same thing we do becomes no longer acceptable..? granted its an emotive issue and the time scale is short but that matters not to the core principle.. | |||
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"The French president spoke the truth, At the time of the referendum we the public who voted, did not have the real facts, we were fed lies by politicians that once the vote was concluded, mysteriously all disappeared to leave the current incumbent of number 10 to sort the mess out!!! I am not a fan of our pm and feel she is swimmingfar out of her depth, now is the time to sort the bloody mess out and have a second referendum. The public need to raise their voices to rally their local M.P’s and put things right... What a fucking mess thats why i hear (from people who know people who know people) the last big stack of EU technical notices won't be released till after the party conferences as these may contain some of the more "hefty" consequences... i.e aviation and planes potentially having to be grounded, uk pilots licenses not being recognised, stuff to do with the channel tunnel, potential for UK registered banks card not working, insurance on cars and lorries ect ect ect" all aspects thus far released and those should be seen by all, no matter how we voted.. some may or will have direct consequences from the day after we leave.. | |||
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"we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way." I really don't see what you can do about it if the Government did to be honest. Smash some windows ? , see fire to a few cars maybe ? We're all along for the ride of whatever the Government decides to do. | |||
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"we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. I really don't see what you can do about it if the Government did to be honest. Smash some windows ? , see fire to a few cars maybe ? We're all along for the ride of whatever the Government decides to do." . Exactly,it is out of our hands | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . I think you miss the point The opinion is split almost exactly 50 50 It is reasonable to suggest leaving is suicidal where as remaining is unpalatable Whatever happens next 50 percent of the population are at great odds with the other what you decry as anarchy is going to happen now regardless of which side actions it However it is telling that most 're moaners are not suggesting they will resort to the childish act of anarchy if we do leave , only that they will passionatly vocally and relentlessly articulate good reasoning why it is a retrograde direction Leave supporters however seem to show a particular violent trait suggesting they will band together in a more violent way to object to any decisions made against there wishes I'd suggest their rhetoric is most telling xxxbut it was not 50 50 was it ? Oh for fuck sake The whole population did not vote One or two percent either way does not a war prevent I clearly said me the population not who voted 49. 51 is in objective real terms half the fucking population disagreeing vehemently with the other , two percent either way is meaningless in the street So you know that if they was a 100% vote we would of remained ?
That was not what I was saying or suggesting
I'm not even siding with remain
My point is that for reasons of simplicity half the population passionately disagrees with Xie other and regardless of any outcome great discord will be occurring
It was suggested threatened that anarchy will ensue IF the will brexit does not happen
My point was with a near 50 50 split great disquiet will be happening for years regardless
I expected better of you toshi
It wasn't 50/50, it wasn't 51/49, it was 52/48 majority in favour of Leave. To break it down into raw numbers leave got over a million more votes than remain, it wasn't anywhere near a close run thing, you lost by over a million votes ffs! "Or reality would be in a pub of 100 people the difference would be 4 I'm Not saying there wasn't majority I'm clearly saying there are a vast number of people disagreeing with a vast number of people and this will lead to disquiet whatever In my said pub example only 4 people would not have a direct counterpart to argue or fight with 96 others would be passionately against the others view! | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way." Weirdly I agree. Nothing has changed since the original vote. People voted the country back to the 1950s. They knew or denied that it would be disastrous for the country. I can’t see anything will be different this time around. Actually it’s foolish for remainers to want a second vote without knowing what the questions would be. There is still a possibility for people to make everything even worse. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. Weirdly I agree. Nothing has changed since the original vote. People voted the country back to the 1950s. They knew or denied that it would be disastrous for the country. I can’t see anything will be different this time around. Actually it’s foolish for remainers to want a second vote without knowing what the questions would be. There is still a possibility for people to make everything even worse. " Yes, no matter what happens more voted to break ties with the EU than voted to keep them. We need a big pair of shears to cut the economic ties to the EU once and for all. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. Weirdly I agree. Nothing has changed since the original vote. People voted the country back to the 1950s. They knew or denied that it would be disastrous for the country. I can’t see anything will be different this time around. Actually it’s foolish for remainers to want a second vote without knowing what the questions would be. There is still a possibility for people to make everything even worse. Yes, no matter what happens more voted to break ties with the EU than voted to keep them. We need a big pair of shears to cut the economic ties to the EU once and for all. " Well I disagree on the second sentence as I don’t want to go down this path to being poorer and having less rights in this country. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. Weirdly I agree. Nothing has changed since the original vote. People voted the country back to the 1950s. They knew or denied that it would be disastrous for the country. I can’t see anything will be different this time around. Actually it’s foolish for remainers to want a second vote without knowing what the questions would be. There is still a possibility for people to make everything even worse. Yes, no matter what happens more voted to break ties with the EU than voted to keep them. We need a big pair of shears to cut the economic ties to the EU once and for all. Well I disagree on the second sentence as I don’t want to go down this path to being poorer and having less rights in this country." That's irrelevant, the majority voted to leave the single market and Customs union. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. Weirdly I agree. Nothing has changed since the original vote. People voted the country back to the 1950s. They knew or denied that it would be disastrous for the country. I can’t see anything will be different this time around. Actually it’s foolish for remainers to want a second vote without knowing what the questions would be. There is still a possibility for people to make everything even worse. Yes, no matter what happens more voted to break ties with the EU than voted to keep them. We need a big pair of shears to cut the economic ties to the EU once and for all. Well I disagree on the second sentence as I don’t want to go down this path to being poorer and having less rights in this country. That's irrelevant, the majority voted to leave the single market and Customs union." You brought it up, not me. And no, the majority didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. That wasn’t what the question on the voting card. | |||
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" And no, the majority didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. That wasn’t what the question on the voting card." What the fuck did you think it meant. Jesus, a simple yes or no is to complicated for some people. | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. Weirdly I agree. Nothing has changed since the original vote. People voted the country back to the 1950s. They knew or denied that it would be disastrous for the country. I can’t see anything will be different this time around. Actually it’s foolish for remainers to want a second vote without knowing what the questions would be. There is still a possibility for people to make everything even worse. Yes, no matter what happens more voted to break ties with the EU than voted to keep them. We need a big pair of shears to cut the economic ties to the EU once and for all. Well I disagree on the second sentence as I don’t want to go down this path to being poorer and having less rights in this country. That's irrelevant, the majority voted to leave the single market and Customs union. You brought it up, not me. And no, the majority didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. That wasn’t what the question on the voting card." The then prime minister David Cameron said many times during the campaign that we would be leaving the customs union/ single market if people voted for leave. Is that not clear enough for you!?  | |||
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" And no, the majority didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. That wasn’t what the question on the voting card. What the fuck did you think it meant. Jesus, a simple yes or no is to complicated for some people. " I didn’t vote leave, so I don’t know why you’re annoyed at me for leavers not understanding your personal vision for Brexit. I knew at the time what I meant, it meant heading straight into the cluster fuck we have now. I am just pointing out that the question on the ballot paper didn’t say anything about the type of Brexit on the cards. Seems like leave voters had a vast array of opinions of what leaving the EU meant. | |||
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"Just hope all you Brexiters are happy with your selfs when people start to loose jobs. And Items go up and we all become a lot less well off. " We will get our violins out and play a little tune for you! | |||
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"What the fuck did you think it meant. Jesus, a simple yes or no is to complicated for some people. " OK, so did you vote "Yes" or "No" to a hard border between NI and Eire? What exactly was your plan in your mind when you voted (since you seem to think it was so simple) as to how we were going to reconcile the two seemingly conflicting needs of: 1. No border between NI and Eire 2. 'Taking back control' of our borders between the UK and EU? I would wager that the vast majority of people (myself included) hadn't even considered this issue. As just a single example. -Matt | |||
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"Just hope all you Brexiters are happy with your selfs when people start to loose jobs. And Items go up and we all become a lot less well off. We will get our violins out and play a little tune for you! "We will see who has the last laugh. | |||
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"Just hope all you Brexiters are happy with your selfs when people start to loose jobs. And Items go up and we all become a lot less well off. We will get our violins out and play a little tune for you!
We will see who has the last laugh."You aren't laughing now so I doubt if you will be laughing if things did get worse!You need a more positive outlook! | |||
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"Just hope all you Brexiters are happy with your selfs when people start to loose jobs. And Items go up and we all become a lot less well off. We will get our violins out and play a little tune for you!
We will see who has the last laugh.
You aren't laughing now so I doubt if you will be laughing if things did get worse!You need a more positive outlook! "Well this country has goes to the dogs any way. Brexit is a farce. Just listen to businesses. | |||
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"Just hope all you Brexiters are happy with your selfs when people start to loose jobs. And Items go up and we all become a lot less well off. We will get our violins out and play a little tune for you!
We will see who has the last laugh.
You aren't laughing now so I doubt if you will be laughing if things did get worse!You need a more positive outlook!
Well this country has goes to the dogs any way. Brexit is a farce.
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"What the fuck did you think it meant. Jesus, a simple yes or no is to complicated for some people. OK, so did you vote "Yes" or "No" to a hard border between NI and Eire? What exactly was your plan in your mind when you voted (since you seem to think it was so simple) as to how we were going to reconcile the two seemingly conflicting needs of: 1. No border between NI and Eire 2. 'Taking back control' of our borders between the UK and EU? I would wager that the vast majority of people (myself included) hadn't even considered this issue. As just a single example. -Matt" funny enough it was brought up in one part of the united kingdom... guess which part? it was never brought up on the mainland... and still isn't brought up because its a conversation killer because they don't have any answer for it... and still dont the answer moggsy's group give is "well it doesn't have to be on the actual border....... just "away" from the actual border!" taking back control of our borders... and the one land border you have with the EU you want to leave wide open.... here.... let me just point an arrow at where you can come into the UK!!!!  taaa daaa!!!!!! | |||
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"It really depends if this second referendum happens on the final deal .It look like labour are now going to back it. A second referendum might be inevitable and who knows what that result will be or what the question will be. "It will never happen that is about the only certain thing | |||
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"Just hope all you Brexiters are happy with your selfs when people start to loose jobs. And Items go up and we all become a lot less well off. We will get our violins out and play a little tune for you!
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. " It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk." Well let's ruin the Country with all the little Englanders. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. Well let's ruin the Country with all the little Englanders. " Yes because on 29th of March chaos will happen, the gates of hell will open and the devil will use us as he’s freaky little sex slaves? Not much will change. Change is sometimes good. Embrace it. Need to go to France? Get a visa. Need to drive in Europe? Get a international drivers permit. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk." You're basing "what the people voted for" on "almost all the leavers I know" and don't even see the gap in logic. Why don't you start a professional polling company? You'll make millions. Yeah, leavers are smart cookies...  | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. You're basing "what the people voted for" on "almost all the leavers I know" and don't even see the gap in logic. Why don't you start a professional polling company? You'll make millions. Yeah, leavers are smart cookies... "Isn’t much money in polling companies. Not all leavers are smart, some are like hillbillies, but I respect their vote, you should too. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk." just going to put this out there.... lisbon treaty... article 50... paragraph 3... 3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. if there is no deal.. you do where know where northern ireland gets most of its electricity from... don't you!!!! it shares electricity with ireland as part of the "european energy market"... which guess what the UK would no longer be part of!!! 
now.... THAT might cause an issue... but you are fine from your home on the mainland aren't you....
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. just going to put this out there.... lisbon treaty... article 50... paragraph 3... 3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. if there is no deal.. you do where know where northern ireland gets most of its electricity from... don't you!!!! it shares electricity with ireland as part of the "european energy market"... which guess what the UK would no longer be part of!!!
now.... THAT might cause an issue... but you are fine from your home on the mainland aren't you....
so... yey.... go no deal!!!!"It may well be a issue but no doubt government and private energy companies will resolve the issue promptly. Could be worse, they could loose their potato’s again. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. You're basing "what the people voted for" on "almost all the leavers I know" and don't even see the gap in logic. Why don't you start a professional polling company? You'll make millions. Yeah, leavers are smart cookies... "You live in London don't you, breathing in all that smog seems to have addled your brain. It was reported on the news a few weeks ago that high pollution levels have a negative effect on intelligence levels, the high levels of pollution in London has dumbed down the population there, no wonder London voted remain. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. You're basing "what the people voted for" on "almost all the leavers I know" and don't even see the gap in logic. Why don't you start a professional polling company? You'll make millions. Yeah, leavers are smart cookies...
Isn’t much money in polling companies. Not all leavers are smart, some are like hillbillies, but I respect their vote, you should too."I'll respect a coherent plan or even a coherent argument if I ever see one. Otherwise nope. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. You're basing "what the people voted for" on "almost all the leavers I know" and don't even see the gap in logic. Why don't you start a professional polling company? You'll make millions. Yeah, leavers are smart cookies...
Isn’t much money in polling companies. Not all leavers are smart, some are like hillbillies, but I respect their vote, you should too.
I'll respect a coherent plan or even a coherent argument if I ever see one. Otherwise nope."So you don’t believe in democracy unless you win? That’s the thing, sometimes in a democracy you loose. You still have to respect the vote, otherwise we might as well be living in a absolute monarchy or a dictatorship. Did you see me crying when labour was in power? No because I respected the will of the people. I’m not a conservative or labour supporter. Both have good and bad policies. I still respect the winner of elections. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. You're basing "what the people voted for" on "almost all the leavers I know" and don't even see the gap in logic. Why don't you start a professional polling company? You'll make millions. Yeah, leavers are smart cookies...
Isn’t much money in polling companies. Not all leavers are smart, some are like hillbillies, but I respect their vote, you should too.
I'll respect a coherent plan or even a coherent argument if I ever see one. Otherwise nope.
So you don’t believe in democracy unless you win? That’s the thing, sometimes in a democracy you loose. You still have to respect the vote, otherwise we might as well be living in a absolute monarchy or a dictatorship.
Did you see me crying when labour was in power? No because I respected the will of the people.
I’m not a conservative or labour supporter. Both have good and bad policies. I still respect the winner of elections."If you respect democracy so much have another vote only this time one where people understand what it is there getting. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. You're basing "what the people voted for" on "almost all the leavers I know" and don't even see the gap in logic. Why don't you start a professional polling company? You'll make millions. Yeah, leavers are smart cookies...
Isn’t much money in polling companies. Not all leavers are smart, some are like hillbillies, but I respect their vote, you should too.
I'll respect a coherent plan or even a coherent argument if I ever see one. Otherwise nope.
So you don’t believe in democracy unless you win? That’s the thing, sometimes in a democracy you loose. You still have to respect the vote, otherwise we might as well be living in a absolute monarchy or a dictatorship.
Did you see me crying when labour was in power? No because I respected the will of the people.
I’m not a conservative or labour supporter. Both have good and bad policies. I still respect the winner of elections.
If you respect democracy so much have another vote only this time one where people understand what it is there getting."I’m all for anouther vote BUT only once we have left the eu. So in say ten to twenty years we could have one, But now? No. Either way both campaigns will spread lies. No one has ever left the EU before so how would anyone know? Remember there is never a honest politician. We do however has WTO agreements to fall back on. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. You're basing "what the people voted for" on "almost all the leavers I know" and don't even see the gap in logic. Why don't you start a professional polling company? You'll make millions. Yeah, leavers are smart cookies...
Isn’t much money in polling companies. Not all leavers are smart, some are like hillbillies, but I respect their vote, you should too.
I'll respect a coherent plan or even a coherent argument if I ever see one. Otherwise nope.
So you don’t believe in democracy unless you win? That’s the thing, sometimes in a democracy you loose. You still have to respect the vote, otherwise we might as well be living in a absolute monarchy or a dictatorship.
Did you see me crying when labour was in power? No because I respected the will of the people.
I’m not a conservative or labour supporter. Both have good and bad policies. I still respect the winner of elections.
If you respect democracy so much have another vote only this time one where people understand what it is there getting.
I’m all for anouther vote BUT only once we have left the eu. So in say ten to twenty years we could have one, But now? No.
Either way both campaigns will spread lies. No one has ever left the EU before so how would anyone know? Remember there is never a honest politician.
We do however has WTO agreements to fall back on.
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"We're all along for the ride of whatever the Government decides to do." Even that is not strictly true...; Fact is the EU can dictate everything, but why should they when they have May and the Tories to fuck us over for them? Remember no one can have a better deal with the club than club members and any club member who leaves has to be seen to be the big loser in any deal. | |||
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"UK is heading for a blind brexit and it wont be over on 29th march, the whole point of a transition was to give governments and businesses plenty of time to get ready for the new system, but now, it seems, the decision time will eat into the preparation time, whats your view? I wonder what will happen to northern ireland, lets hope they can stay in the eu. It’s was a in or out vote. Not abit in and abit out. No deal is what the people voted for. Almost all leavers I know say this. They also say it would be attack on democracy, just like May did. It’s good to see May actually has a back bone for once. May stated if no deal happens there will be no transition time. She also stated she will not be breaking up her country. NI will leave with the rest of the uk. You're basing "what the people voted for" on "almost all the leavers I know" and don't even see the gap in logic. Why don't you start a professional polling company? You'll make millions. Yeah, leavers are smart cookies...
You live in London don't you, breathing in all that smog seems to have addled your brain. It was reported on the news a few weeks ago that high pollution levels have a negative effect on intelligence levels, the high levels of pollution in London has dumbed down the population there, no wonder London voted remain. "I know you live this stat centy, but it’s a dangerous path to go down if you’re starting to claim it is related to result ... espedially if there’s evidence London has a higher IQ (even after smog reduction). | |||
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"we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. I really don't see what you can do about it if the Government did to be honest. Smash some windows ? , see fire to a few cars maybe ? We're all along for the ride of whatever the Government decides to do." I have been an activist in the past, and although I don’t want to do all that again, I would feel forced to. I’ve been asking round and I know for sure I’m not the only one... | |||
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"I’ve been asking round and I know for sure I’m not the only one..." Have you thought that the circle you move in share your bias and as such are not a fair reflection of the country in general? Maybe you need to take an objective look at your circle of acquaintances and ask yourself do they reflect society or you? I know that I have 3 circles of friends, my political friends who share my political beliefs, my fab friends who share my sexual proclivities and my hiking and climbing friends who share my love of mountains and the 'great outdoors'. None of these groups reflect society in general and I would be mad if I projected my shared views with any of them onto the country as a whole. Are you suffering from brexit madness. I think many are. | |||
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"We're all along for the ride of whatever the Government decides to do. Even that is not strictly true...; Fact is the EU can dictate everything, but why should they when they have May and the Tories to fuck us over for them? Remember no one can have a better deal with the club than club members and any club member who leaves has to be seen to be the big loser in any deal." Said by someone who voted Leave, lol. | |||
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"I’ve been asking round and I know for sure I’m not the only one... Have you thought that the circle you move in share your bias and as such are not a fair reflection of the country in general? Maybe you need to take an objective look at your circle of acquaintances and ask yourself do they reflect society or you? I know that I have 3 circles of friends, my political friends who share my political beliefs, my fab friends who share my sexual proclivities and my hiking and climbing friends who share my love of mountains and the 'great outdoors'. None of these groups reflect society in general and I would be mad if I projected my shared views with any of them onto the country as a whole. Are you suffering from brexit madness. I think many are. "I’m not talking about my friends, I’m talking about political activists past and present. People I have stood with and marched alongside. This was before any of us had ever heard the word BREXIT. In some of the groups a new younger breed of activist is also waiting in the wings. Not all students and young adults are remoaners... | |||
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"Said by someone who voted Leave, lol. " Yep, but while you are laughing you should remember that I had a fairly good idea what I was voting for, why I was voting for it, and what I hope to be the long-term result of my vote. Fact is I voted out in order to destroy the Tories and their Eurosceptical self interested rump of which you are a very vocal part here. But don't worry it will not be that long now till we find out who is right and wrong. If am wrong in my belief of how things will play out I will be relieved as you crow your victory, if you are wrong you will be deleting your account and if you have been as voluble in real life as you are on here maybe even needing to go into hiding. but don't worry your hero Nige has already said if it all goes to shit he is heading off to the US (because he understands that if he stays here he will probably end up dead). | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. What will you do, stamp your feet..? Write to the daily mail? Moan about how the not achievable was promised by the not accountable and you feel robbed.. Because down the pub it all sounded like a doddle? Bit complicated isn't it.. not complicated at,all .if the remoaners ( cry babies) want anarchy ( which is all they want anyway)they can have it as far,as I'm concerned . I've never come across sore losers like this lot . democracy ... What democracy.its pathetic the way they've gone on ( and I include all the MPS )who can't represent their constituents over their own self indulgence and importance . I think you miss the point The opinion is split almost exactly 50 50 It is reasonable to suggest leaving is suicidal where as remaining is unpalatable Whatever happens next 50 percent of the population are at great odds with the other what you decry as anarchy is going to happen now regardless of which side actions it However it is telling that most 're moaners are not suggesting they will resort to the childish act of anarchy if we do leave , only that they will passionatly vocally and relentlessly articulate good reasoning why it is a retrograde direction Leave supporters however seem to show a particular violent trait suggesting they will band together in a more violent way to object to any decisions made against there wishes I'd suggest their rhetoric is most telling xxxbut it was not 50 50 was it ? Oh for fuck sake The whole population did not vote One or two percent either way does not a war prevent I clearly said me the population not who voted 49. 51 is in objective real terms half the fucking population disagreeing vehemently with the other , two percent either way is meaningless in the street So you know that if they was a 100% vote we would of remained ?
That was not what I was saying or suggesting
I'm not even siding with remain
My point is that for reasons of simplicity half the population passionately disagrees with Xie other and regardless of any outcome great discord will be occurring
It was suggested threatened that anarchy will ensue IF the will brexit does not happen
My point was with a near 50 50 split great disquiet will be happening for years regardless
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It wasn't 50/50, it wasn't 51/49, it was 52/48 majority in favour of Leave. To break it down into raw numbers leave got over a million more votes than remain, it wasn't anywhere near a close run thing, you lost by over a million votes ffs! "The statement was "near 50/50" which was correct but if you want to be so pedantic then your own figures of 52/48 are wrong too. | |||
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"Said by someone who voted Leave, lol. Yep, but while you are laughing you should remember that I had a fairly good idea what I was voting for, why I was voting for it, and what I hope to be the long-term result of my vote. Fact is I voted out in order to destroy the Tories and their Eurosceptical self interested rump of which you are a very vocal part here. But don't worry it will not be that long now till we find out who is right and wrong. If am wrong in my belief of how things will play out I will be relieved as you crow your victory, if you are wrong you will be deleting your account and if you have been as voluble in real life as you are on here maybe even needing to go into hiding. but don't worry your hero Nige has already said if it all goes to shit he is heading off to the US (because he understands that if he stays here he will probably end up dead)." You also seem to be forgetting your Labour hero Corbyn is also a secret hard left Brexiter, from the Tony Benn stock of old Labour Brexiters, along with his Marxist shadow chancellor John McDonnel, so good to know you've also finally lined yourself up against them.
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. Weirdly I agree. Nothing has changed since the original vote. People voted the country back to the 1950s. They knew or denied that it would be disastrous for the country. I can’t see anything will be different this time around. Actually it’s foolish for remainers to want a second vote without knowing what the questions would be. There is still a possibility for people to make everything even worse. Yes, no matter what happens more voted to break ties with the EU than voted to keep them. We need a big pair of shears to cut the economic ties to the EU once and for all. Well I disagree on the second sentence as I don’t want to go down this path to being poorer and having less rights in this country. That's irrelevant, the majority voted to leave the single market and Customs union. You brought it up, not me. And no, the majority didn’t vote to leave the single market and customs union. That wasn’t what the question on the voting card." I voted remain too but to say people voting leave didn't know that meant leaving the single market and Customs union is just false, or they we're so uneducated on the issue. | |||
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"I’ve been asking round and I know for sure I’m not the only one... Have you thought that the circle you move in share your bias and as such are not a fair reflection of the country in general? Maybe you need to take an objective look at your circle of acquaintances and ask yourself do they reflect society or you? I know that I have 3 circles of friends, my political friends who share my political beliefs, my fab friends who share my sexual proclivities and my hiking and climbing friends who share my love of mountains and the 'great outdoors'. None of these groups reflect society in general and I would be mad if I projected my shared views with any of them onto the country as a whole. Are you suffering from brexit madness. I think many are. "So you would condemn any direct political action taken by Leave voters out on the streets, should Brexit be reneged upon? But i assume you think its ok for other political groups like Antifa to go out onto the streets and take direct and violent political action. Yet more double standards exposed on the politics forum. | |||
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"I’ve been asking round and I know for sure I’m not the only one... Have you thought that the circle you move in share your bias and as such are not a fair reflection of the country in general? Maybe you need to take an objective look at your circle of acquaintances and ask yourself do they reflect society or you? I know that I have 3 circles of friends, my political friends who share my political beliefs, my fab friends who share my sexual proclivities and my hiking and climbing friends who share my love of mountains and the 'great outdoors'. None of these groups reflect society in general and I would be mad if I projected my shared views with any of them onto the country as a whole. Are you suffering from brexit madness. I think many are.
So you would condemn any direct political action taken by Leave voters out on the streets, should Brexit be reneged upon? But i assume you think its ok for other political groups like Antifa to go out onto the streets and take direct and violent political action. Yet more double standards exposed on the politics forum. "Antifa have been quiet since getting their arses handed to them in Dover a few years ago. Hiding in a building site they threw bricks at a nationalist demo as they walked past. There were women and children on that demo, and the vermin of the left got a bloody good hiding. Even funnier on that day was at a service station. Antifa saw a small bunch of lads on their way back to their coach, and charged at them. Turns out that this bunch of lads were ex Chelsea Head Hunters, on their way home from a reunion in London. So those brave class warriors got their heads kicked in twice in one day! Lol | |||
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"I’ve been asking round and I know for sure I’m not the only one... Have you thought that the circle you move in share your bias and as such are not a fair reflection of the country in general? Maybe you need to take an objective look at your circle of acquaintances and ask yourself do they reflect society or you? I know that I have 3 circles of friends, my political friends who share my political beliefs, my fab friends who share my sexual proclivities and my hiking and climbing friends who share my love of mountains and the 'great outdoors'. None of these groups reflect society in general and I would be mad if I projected my shared views with any of them onto the country as a whole. Are you suffering from brexit madness. I think many are.
So you would condemn any direct political action taken by Leave voters out on the streets, should Brexit be reneged upon? But i assume you think its ok for other political groups like Antifa to go out onto the streets and take direct and violent political action. Yet more double standards exposed on the politics forum.
Antifa have been quiet since getting their arses handed to them in Dover a few years ago. Hiding in a building site they threw bricks at a nationalist demo as they walked past. There were women and children on that demo, and the vermin of the left got a bloody good hiding. Even funnier on that day was at a service station. Antifa saw a small bunch of lads on their way back to their coach, and charged at them. Turns out that this bunch of lads were ex Chelsea Head Hunters, on their way home from a reunion in London. So those brave class warriors got their heads kicked in twice in one day! Lol"Ex Chealse Head Hunters.... I must live in a different world to many others..... | |||
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"I’ve been asking round and I know for sure I’m not the only one... Have you thought that the circle you move in share your bias and as such are not a fair reflection of the country in general? Maybe you need to take an objective look at your circle of acquaintances and ask yourself do they reflect society or you? I know that I have 3 circles of friends, my political friends who share my political beliefs, my fab friends who share my sexual proclivities and my hiking and climbing friends who share my love of mountains and the 'great outdoors'. None of these groups reflect society in general and I would be mad if I projected my shared views with any of them onto the country as a whole. Are you suffering from brexit madness. I think many are.
So you would condemn any direct political action taken by Leave voters out on the streets, should Brexit be reneged upon? But i assume you think its ok for other political groups like Antifa to go out onto the streets and take direct and violent political action. Yet more double standards exposed on the politics forum.
Antifa have been quiet since getting their arses handed to them in Dover a few years ago. Hiding in a building site they threw bricks at a nationalist demo as they walked past. There were women and children on that demo, and the vermin of the left got a bloody good hiding. Even funnier on that day was at a service station. Antifa saw a small bunch of lads on their way back to their coach, and charged at them. Turns out that this bunch of lads were ex Chelsea Head Hunters, on their way home from a reunion in London. So those brave class warriors got their heads kicked in twice in one day! Lol
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"Let's have a vote . Leave or remain. Winner .Leave Oh shit . Let's have another vote . Is that how democracy works ??? Yes .It is. "No. It isn't. The House of Commons voted by a very large majority to let the people decide this matter in a referendum. The government spent £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet in which they promised "We will implement the decision of the referendum". Promises must be kept and the government must be held to account, there is no going back on the decision. The will of the people must be respected and the peoples choice must be implemented. | |||
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"Let's have a vote . Leave or remain. Winner .Leave Oh shit . Let's have another vote . Is that how democracy works ??? Yes .It is.
No. It isn't. The House of Commons voted by a very large majority to let the people decide this matter in a referendum. The government spent £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet in which they promised "We will implement the decision of the referendum". Promises must be kept and the government must be held to account, there is no going back on the decision. The will of the people must be respected and the peoples choice must be implemented. "regardless of what the leaflet said, the commons did not vote to let the people decide. And the government which promised this is no longer the same government which is in today. | |||
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"Let's have a vote . Leave or remain. Winner .Leave Oh shit . Let's have another vote . Is that how democracy works ??? Yes .It is.
No. It isn't. The House of Commons voted by a very large majority to let the people decide this matter in a referendum. The government spent £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet in which they promised "We will implement the decision of the referendum". Promises must be kept and the government must be held to account, there is no going back on the decision. The will of the people must be respected and the peoples choice must be implemented. regardless of what the leaflet said, the commons did not vote to let the people decide. And the government which promised this is no longer the same government which is in today. "Same government, just a different leader | |||
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"Let's have a vote . Leave or remain. Winner .Leave Oh shit . Let's have another vote . Is that how democracy works ??? Yes .It is.
No. It isn't. The House of Commons voted by a very large majority to let the people decide this matter in a referendum. The government spent £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet in which they promised "We will implement the decision of the referendum". Promises must be kept and the government must be held to account, there is no going back on the decision. The will of the people must be respected and the peoples choice must be implemented. regardless of what the leaflet said, the commons did not vote to let the people decide. And the government which promised this is no longer the same government which is in today.
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"Let's have a vote . Leave or remain. Winner .Leave Oh shit . Let's have another vote . Is that how democracy works ??? Yes .It is.
No. It isn't. The House of Commons voted by a very large majority to let the people decide this matter in a referendum. The government spent £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet in which they promised "We will implement the decision of the referendum". Promises must be kept and the government must be held to account, there is no going back on the decision. The will of the people must be respected and the peoples choice must be implemented. regardless of what the leaflet said, the commons did not vote to let the people decide. And the government which promised this is no longer the same government which is in today.
Same government, just a different leader
No, we had a general election, remember?
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"Let's have a vote . Leave or remain. Winner .Leave Oh shit . Let's have another vote . Is that how democracy works ??? Yes .It is.
No. It isn't. The House of Commons voted by a very large majority to let the people decide this matter in a referendum. The government spent £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet in which they promised "We will implement the decision of the referendum". Promises must be kept and the government must be held to account, there is no going back on the decision. The will of the people must be respected and the peoples choice must be implemented. regardless of what the leaflet said, the commons did not vote to let the people decide. And the government which promised this is no longer the same government which is in today.
Same government, just a different leader
No, we had a general election, remember?
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"Let's have a vote . Leave or remain. Winner .Leave Oh shit . Let's have another vote . Is that how democracy works ??? Yes .It is.
No. It isn't. The House of Commons voted by a very large majority to let the people decide this matter in a referendum. The government spent £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet in which they promised "We will implement the decision of the referendum". Promises must be kept and the government must be held to account, there is no going back on the decision. The will of the people must be respected and the peoples choice must be implemented. regardless of what the leaflet said, the commons did not vote to let the people decide. And the government which promised this is no longer the same government which is in today. "Yes the commons did vote to let the people decide. Over 80% of the house of commons voted in favour of having the referendum. | |||
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"Let's have a vote . Leave or remain. Winner .Leave Oh shit . Let's have another vote . Is that how democracy works ??? Yes .It is.
No. It isn't. The House of Commons voted by a very large majority to let the people decide this matter in a referendum. The government spent £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet in which they promised "We will implement the decision of the referendum". Promises must be kept and the government must be held to account, there is no going back on the decision. The will of the people must be respected and the peoples choice must be implemented. regardless of what the leaflet said, the commons did not vote to let the people decide. And the government which promised this is no longer the same government which is in today.
Same government, just a different leader
No, we had a general election, remember?
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It was a Conservative government before and it's still a Conservative government now. "Yes, the same party is in power. That is not the same as saying it is the same government. -Matt | |||
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" No. It isn't. The House of Commons voted by a very large majority to let the people decide this matter in a referendum. The government spent £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a leaflet in which they promised "We will implement the decision of the referendum". Promises must be kept and the government must be held to account, there is no going back on the decision. The will of the people must be respected and the peoples choice must be implemented. " Article 50 has been activated, so the outcome of the referendum has been delivered, surely. It's old news. | |||
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"I’ve been asking round and I know for sure I’m not the only one... Have you thought that the circle you move in share your bias and as such are not a fair reflection of the country in general? Maybe you need to take an objective look at your circle of acquaintances and ask yourself do they reflect society or you? I know that I have 3 circles of friends, my political friends who share my political beliefs, my fab friends who share my sexual proclivities and my hiking and climbing friends who share my love of mountains and the 'great outdoors'. None of these groups reflect society in general and I would be mad if I projected my shared views with any of them onto the country as a whole. Are you suffering from brexit madness. I think many are.
So you would condemn any direct political action taken by Leave voters out on the streets, should Brexit be reneged upon? But i assume you think its ok for other political groups like Antifa to go out onto the streets and take direct and violent political action. Yet more double standards exposed on the politics forum.
Antifa have been quiet since getting their arses handed to them in Dover a few years ago. Hiding in a building site they threw bricks at a nationalist demo as they walked past. There were women and children on that demo, and the vermin of the left got a bloody good hiding. Even funnier on that day was at a service station. Antifa saw a small bunch of lads on their way back to their coach, and charged at them. Turns out that this bunch of lads were ex Chelsea Head Hunters, on their way home from a reunion in London. So those brave class warriors got their heads kicked in twice in one day! Lol
Ex Chealse Head Hunters.... I must live in a different world to many others.....
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"I don't think anyone that voted in the EU Referendum is getting, or hoping to get, exactly what they voted for. Going to make for a huge melting pot of unhappy people. " I think David Cameron’s tax payers leaflet provided the info No freedom of movement No European Court of Justice No Customs Union. That also explained what the downside of coming out of those mean. Nothing positive at all about leaving yet people decided to leave. That we must respect as a democratic country. It’s been scaremongering all the way also racist and xenophobic etc etc. Nobody know what will happen yet we have to wait. Bit like buying a house and car. Could seem brilliant then boom it’s not it all is good. Have to take the chance. | |||
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"People keep posting here “no one knows what will happen”. And that’s partly true. But it’s not like buying a house or car, it’s more like driving at speed towards a brick wall, we don’t know for sure what will happen. But we do know it will be bad." You know jack shit, and neither does anyone else. leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. | |||
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"People keep posting here “no one knows what will happen”. And that’s partly true. But it’s not like buying a house or car, it’s more like driving at speed towards a brick wall, we don’t know for sure what will happen. But we do know it will be bad. You know jack shit, and neither does anyone else. leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. " It could, it’s pretty unlikely though. All the signs say it will be catastrophic for workers rights, environmental protection, trade, food safety standards, import, export, tourism, the economy etc. | |||
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"......leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. " What kind of thought process leads you to believe that? The role of Government is to provide a stable and quantifiable environment in which we can all live our lives in comfort and safety and one into which investments can be made in industry, business and infrastructure. The Government is currently dismantling the stable economic environment that for 40 years has enabled business large and small to thrive due to the country being closely aligned with is geographical neighbours. The only significant manufacturers left in this country (aviation and automotive) have all given absolute warnings of the likely damaging effect of simply leaving the Single Matket, let alone turning our backs completely on the EU. | |||
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"People keep posting here “no one knows what will happen”. And that’s partly true. But it’s not like buying a house or car, it’s more like driving at speed towards a brick wall, we don’t know for sure what will happen. But we do know it will be bad. You know jack shit, and neither does anyone else. leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. It could, it’s pretty unlikely though. All the signs say it will be catastrophic for workers rights, environmental protection, trade, food safety standards, import, export, tourism, the economy etc." What signs are there that it will catastropic for any of those things? not some bland statement but actual facts as to what the government has said they are going to change or dismantle ? | |||
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"We had a referendum and voted leave, that is why remainers became remoaners, because they lost. This decision was made, you can’t wait a couple of years and do it again, hoping for a different result. If you want a riot you will get one, we are not going to allow BREXIT to be reneged, no fucking way. Why the anger ? If the vote remains the same you’re happy. If the vote changes isn’t this the (new) will of the people so you’d accept the vote in the way you demand of remainers. A vote isnt random. If it swings then it’s because people have changed their mind. The more people act as though it can randomaly change like tossing a coin, the more you undermine the validity of the last vote. " Don’t start pretending a second vote would be an expression of true democracy. No it would be evil personified because we all know that if that vote went the remoan way ( a distinct possibility as we would see ‘project fear’ ratcheted up to unimaginable levels) we the people who voted to Leave would never ever be allowed another vote in a million years . If this anti democratic ‘ establishment vote’ (not People’s vote which we have already had ) ever takes place , this country will never ever be the same again. | |||
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"......leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. What kind of thought process leads you to believe that? The role of Government is to provide a stable and quantifiable environment in which we can all live our lives in comfort and safety and one into which investments can be made in industry, business and infrastructure. The Government is currently dismantling the stable economic environment that for 40 years has enabled business large and small to thrive due to the country being closely aligned with is geographical neighbours. The only significant manufacturers left in this country (aviation and automotive) have all given absolute warnings of the likely damaging effect of simply leaving the Single Matket, let alone turning our backs completely on the EU." Couldn’t agree more. Though I would add (as we are one ourselves ) the exodus of SME’s will have an exponentiallly bigger impact. We run/ran a wholesales distribution company from the UK for 7 years. Single market access and FOM of goods made this possible. Now. We have moved our business to mainland Europe as it can’t survive post Brexit. And we are one in thousands doing the same. Supply chain and JIT requirements etc. Also. A guy I spoke with said didn’t affect him as they didn’t rely on this etc etc. When I asked where his suppliers source from (EU) his response was “that’s their problem. I have d alt with the big supermarkets in the past. They spend more in dollars and euros than Stirling. A weak pound alone puts up costs on their shelves. Add to that the cost of increased beauracracy. Increase in duties and tariffs under WTO in case of a no deal. These will hit anyway as whatever deal we get will not be as good as the one we have. Hence. Going shopping after March will cost you more. Are wages increasing ? Inflation etc. And to clarify. I was a reluctant remained. The Eu needs reforming undoubtably. But. The impact on is as a nation and economy is just too high a price to pay. | |||
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"......leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. What kind of thought process leads you to believe that? The role of Government is to provide a stable and quantifiable environment in which we can all live our lives in comfort and safety and one into which investments can be made in industry, business and infrastructure. The Government is currently dismantling the stable economic environment that for 40 years has enabled business large and small to thrive due to the country being closely aligned with is geographical neighbours. The only significant manufacturers left in this country (aviation and automotive) have all given absolute warnings of the likely damaging effect of simply leaving the Single Matket, let alone turning our backs completely on the EU. Couldn’t agree more. Though I would add (as we are one ourselves ) the exodus of SME’s will have an exponentiallly bigger impact. We run/ran a wholesales distribution company from the UK for 7 years. Single market access and FOM of goods made this possible. Now. We have moved our business to mainland Europe as it can’t survive post Brexit. And we are one in thousands doing the same. Supply chain and JIT requirements etc. Also. A guy I spoke with said didn’t affect him as they didn’t rely on this etc etc. When I asked where his suppliers source from (EU) his response was “that’s their problem. I have d alt with the big supermarkets in the past. They spend more in dollars and euros than Stirling. A weak pound alone puts up costs on their shelves. Add to that the cost of increased beauracracy. Increase in duties and tariffs under WTO in case of a no deal. These will hit anyway as whatever deal we get will not be as good as the one we have. Hence. Going shopping after March will cost you more. Are wages increasing ? Inflation etc. And to clarify. I was a reluctant remained. The Eu needs reforming undoubtably. But. The impact on is as a nation and economy is just too high a price to pay. " Remind me again on what percentage of the Uk economy is trading with the EU and what percent of that do you expect us to lose from that ? | |||
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"......leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. What kind of thought process leads you to believe that? The role of Government is to provide a stable and quantifiable environment in which we can all live our lives in comfort and safety and one into which investments can be made in industry, business and infrastructure. The Government is currently dismantling the stable economic environment that for 40 years has enabled business large and small to thrive due to the country being closely aligned with is geographical neighbours. The only significant manufacturers left in this country (aviation and automotive) have all given absolute warnings of the likely damaging effect of simply leaving the Single Matket, let alone turning our backs completely on the EU. Couldn’t agree more. Though I would add (as we are one ourselves ) the exodus of SME’s will have an exponentiallly bigger impact. We run/ran a wholesales distribution company from the UK for 7 years. Single market access and FOM of goods made this possible. Now. We have moved our business to mainland Europe as it can’t survive post Brexit. And we are one in thousands doing the same. Supply chain and JIT requirements etc. Also. A guy I spoke with said didn’t affect him as they didn’t rely on this etc etc. When I asked where his suppliers source from (EU) his response was “that’s their problem. I have d alt with the big supermarkets in the past. They spend more in dollars and euros than Stirling. A weak pound alone puts up costs on their shelves. Add to that the cost of increased beauracracy. Increase in duties and tariffs under WTO in case of a no deal. These will hit anyway as whatever deal we get will not be as good as the one we have. Hence. Going shopping after March will cost you more. Are wages increasing ? Inflation etc. And to clarify. I was a reluctant remained. The Eu needs reforming undoubtably. But. The impact on is as a nation and economy is just too high a price to pay. Remind me again on what percentage of the Uk economy is trading with the EU and what percent of that do you expect us to lose from that ?" Approximately 80% of what we as a nation consume is either imported directly or relies in imported components. Within that I believe. Though would have to check that nearly 60% comes from our nearest neighbours (EU). Have a wander round a supermarket and look at countries of origin in the labels. Then look at the deals we have via the EU and duty and tarring rates. Then compare them to WTO rates. I’m my case duty alone increases from 2.5% to 10 % in the case of a no deal. If WTO was so great we would my need FTAs. So why have them ? It’s a plain and simple fact. Costs will increase on the high street. Wages will stagnate. | |||
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"People keep posting here “no one knows what will happen”. And that’s partly true. But it’s not like buying a house or car, it’s more like driving at speed towards a brick wall, we don’t know for sure what will happen. But we do know it will be bad. You know jack shit, and neither does anyone else. leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. It could, it’s pretty unlikely though. All the signs say it will be catastrophic for workers rights, environmental protection, trade, food safety standards, import, export, tourism, the economy etc. What signs are there that it will catastropic for any of those things? not some bland statement but actual facts as to what the government has said they are going to change or dismantle ?" “Bland statements” that made me chuckle. In a good way. Erm. “Facts”, well there isn’t enough space in here to even summarise the research of NGOs and economists etc. But, aside from The Daily Mail, The Express, just read anything and it will tell you the facts. For human rights, read some of the article and reports put out by amnesty international. For environmental problems and the impact Brexit will have on our fight against climate change, read reports put out by Friends Of The Earth. These are just two of the vast array of studies and articles that will detail this stuff. As for the negative impact on trade, the economy etc, I’m sure you don’t need me to find you resources. It’s everywhere. | |||
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"......leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. What kind of thought process leads you to believe that? The role of Government is to provide a stable and quantifiable environment in which we can all live our lives in comfort and safety and one into which investments can be made in industry, business and infrastructure. The Government is currently dismantling the stable economic environment that for 40 years has enabled business large and small to thrive due to the country being closely aligned with is geographical neighbours. The only significant manufacturers left in this country (aviation and automotive) have all given absolute warnings of the likely damaging effect of simply leaving the Single Matket, let alone turning our backs completely on the EU. Couldn’t agree more. Though I would add (as we are one ourselves ) the exodus of SME’s will have an exponentiallly bigger impact. We run/ran a wholesales distribution company from the UK for 7 years. Single market access and FOM of goods made this possible. Now. We have moved our business to mainland Europe as it can’t survive post Brexit. And we are one in thousands doing the same. Supply chain and JIT requirements etc. Also. A guy I spoke with said didn’t affect him as they didn’t rely on this etc etc. When I asked where his suppliers source from (EU) his response was “that’s their problem. I have d alt with the big supermarkets in the past. They spend more in dollars and euros than Stirling. A weak pound alone puts up costs on their shelves. Add to that the cost of increased beauracracy. Increase in duties and tariffs under WTO in case of a no deal. These will hit anyway as whatever deal we get will not be as good as the one we have. Hence. Going shopping after March will cost you more. Are wages increasing ? Inflation etc. And to clarify. I was a reluctant remained. The Eu needs reforming undoubtably. But. The impact on is as a nation and economy is just too high a price to pay. Remind me again on what percentage of the Uk economy is trading with the EU and what percent of that do you expect us to lose from that ? Approximately 80% of what we as a nation consume is either imported directly or relies in imported components. Within that I believe. Though would have to check that nearly 60% comes from our nearest neighbours (EU). Have a wander round a supermarket and look at countries of origin in the labels. Then look at the deals we have via the EU and duty and tarring rates. Then compare them to WTO rates. I’m my case duty alone increases from 2.5% to 10 % in the case of a no deal. If WTO was so great we would my need FTAs. So why have them ? It’s a plain and simple fact. Costs will increase on the high street. Wages will stagnate. " Of course free trade is best but which side is wanting to stop that ?for your info 8% of companies trade with the eu and that is 12% of uk trade(Gov figures so I presume correct) again how much of that do you expect us to lose? If things go up then it will encourage uk consumers to buy british, do you agree that we import a tiny amount of food from the US, if that one "fact" is so way out why would we beleive anything you post | |||
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"People keep posting here “no one knows what will happen”. And that’s partly true. But it’s not like buying a house or car, it’s more like driving at speed towards a brick wall, we don’t know for sure what will happen. But we do know it will be bad. You know jack shit, and neither does anyone else. leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. It could, it’s pretty unlikely though. All the signs say it will be catastrophic for workers rights, environmental protection, trade, food safety standards, import, export, tourism, the economy etc. What signs are there that it will catastropic for any of those things? not some bland statement but actual facts as to what the government has said they are going to change or dismantle ? “Bland statements” that made me chuckle. In a good way. Erm. “Facts”, well there isn’t enough space in here to even summarise the research of NGOs and economists etc. But, aside from The Daily Mail, The Express, just read anything and it will tell you the facts. For human rights, read some of the article and reports put out by amnesty international. For environmental problems and the impact Brexit will have on our fight against climate change, read reports put out by Friends Of The Earth. These are just two of the vast array of studies and articles that will detail this stuff. As for the negative impact on trade, the economy etc, I’m sure you don’t need me to find you resources. It’s everywhere. " So no facts then or statements by the government that they intend to scrap any workers rights, environmental laws,what human rights are they going to scrap, food safety being reduced etc etc, just "reports" from organisations that have an agenda | |||
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"People keep posting here “no one knows what will happen”. And that’s partly true. But it’s not like buying a house or car, it’s more like driving at speed towards a brick wall, we don’t know for sure what will happen. But we do know it will be bad. You know jack shit, and neither does anyone else. leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. It could, it’s pretty unlikely though. All the signs say it will be catastrophic for workers rights, environmental protection, trade, food safety standards, import, export, tourism, the economy etc. What signs are there that it will catastropic for any of those things? not some bland statement but actual facts as to what the government has said they are going to change or dismantle ? “Bland statements” that made me chuckle. In a good way. Erm. “Facts”, well there isn’t enough space in here to even summarise the research of NGOs and economists etc. But, aside from The Daily Mail, The Express, just read anything and it will tell you the facts. For human rights, read some of the article and reports put out by amnesty international. For environmental problems and the impact Brexit will have on our fight against climate change, read reports put out by Friends Of The Earth. These are just two of the vast array of studies and articles that will detail this stuff. As for the negative impact on trade, the economy etc, I’m sure you don’t need me to find you resources. It’s everywhere. So no facts then or statements by the government that they intend to scrap any workers rights, environmental laws,what human rights are they going to scrap, food safety being reduced etc etc, just "reports" from organisations that have an agenda " Haha yes, but their agenda is to help people. Amnesty international and friends of the earth have agendas to look after people’s human rights and to campaign for environmental protection. Not every “agenda” is a bad agenda. And I genuinely don’t have time to parphrase any of these reports for you. If you choose not to read them then how can you bash them? And why on earth would the government admit to any of these things? The way they work is tell people what they want to hear while implementing any self serving policies. The whole point of Brexit is to hand more power to the ruling elite. | |||
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"......leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. What kind of thought process leads you to believe that? The role of Government is to provide a stable and quantifiable environment in which we can all live our lives in comfort and safety and one into which investments can be made in industry, business and infrastructure. The Government is currently dismantling the stable economic environment that for 40 years has enabled business large and small to thrive due to the country being closely aligned with is geographical neighbours. The only significant manufacturers left in this country (aviation and automotive) have all given absolute warnings of the likely damaging effect of simply leaving the Single Matket, let alone turning our backs completely on the EU. Couldn’t agree more. Though I would add (as we are one ourselves ) the exodus of SME’s will have an exponentiallly bigger impact. We run/ran a wholesales distribution company from the UK for 7 years. Single market access and FOM of goods made this possible. Now. We have moved our business to mainland Europe as it can’t survive post Brexit. And we are one in thousands doing the same. Supply chain and JIT requirements etc. Also. A guy I spoke with said didn’t affect him as they didn’t rely on this etc etc. When I asked where his suppliers source from (EU) his response was “that’s their problem. I have d alt with the big supermarkets in the past. They spend more in dollars and euros than Stirling. A weak pound alone puts up costs on their shelves. Add to that the cost of increased beauracracy. Increase in duties and tariffs under WTO in case of a no deal. These will hit anyway as whatever deal we get will not be as good as the one we have. Hence. Going shopping after March will cost you more. Are wages increasing ? Inflation etc. And to clarify. I was a reluctant remained. The Eu needs reforming undoubtably. But. The impact on is as a nation and economy is just too high a price to pay. Remind me again on what percentage of the Uk economy is trading with the EU and what percent of that do you expect us to lose from that ? Approximately 80% of what we as a nation consume is either imported directly or relies in imported components. Within that I believe. Though would have to check that nearly 60% comes from our nearest neighbours (EU). Have a wander round a supermarket and look at countries of origin in the labels. Then look at the deals we have via the EU and duty and tarring rates. Then compare them to WTO rates. I’m my case duty alone increases from 2.5% to 10 % in the case of a no deal. If WTO was so great we would my need FTAs. So why have them ? It’s a plain and simple fact. Costs will increase on the high street. Wages will stagnate. Of course free trade is best but which side is wanting to stop that ?for your info 8% of companies trade with the eu and that is 12% of uk trade(Gov figures so I presume correct) again how much of that do you expect us to lose? If things go up then it will encourage uk consumers to buy british, do you agree that we import a tiny amount of food from the US, if that one "fact" is so way out why would we beleive anything you post" 12% of UK trade is not the same thing as that is net trade I believe. And as for encouraging to Buy British ? Hmm. Love the sentiment. Not sure about the practicalities. We can’t produce enough wheat in this country for a start to supply our needs. Co2 ? Eurotron ? Gallileo? I can’t move for Orange growers in the UK. Can you ? How many trade deals do we. The UK. Currently have in place ? Oh. And as for the UK US trade deal. ? Food safety standards is the response to that. Along with NHS privatisation... I’m not getting into an endless argument. You do at least admit that prices will go up. And that is a direct response to Brexit in whatever form. I noticed you live in Spain ? Or st least have a place there ? Do you not find that ironic ? And if you live there full time as a resident presumably you didn’t t vote in the referendum m as the 3.5 other million expats who were denied a vote ? Well. Either way. We have made our plans Re Brexit ... good luck with yours. | |||
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"......leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. What kind of thought process leads you to believe that? The role of Government is to provide a stable and quantifiable environment in which we can all live our lives in comfort and safety and one into which investments can be made in industry, business and infrastructure. The Government is currently dismantling the stable economic environment that for 40 years has enabled business large and small to thrive due to the country being closely aligned with is geographical neighbours. The only significant manufacturers left in this country (aviation and automotive) have all given absolute warnings of the likely damaging effect of simply leaving the Single Matket, let alone turning our backs completely on the EU. Couldn’t agree more. Though I would add (as we are one ourselves ) the exodus of SME’s will have an exponentiallly bigger impact. We run/ran a wholesales distribution company from the UK for 7 years. Single market access and FOM of goods made this possible. Now. We have moved our business to mainland Europe as it can’t survive post Brexit. And we are one in thousands doing the same. Supply chain and JIT requirements etc. Also. A guy I spoke with said didn’t affect him as they didn’t rely on this etc etc. When I asked where his suppliers source from (EU) his response was “that’s their problem. I have d alt with the big supermarkets in the past. They spend more in dollars and euros than Stirling. A weak pound alone puts up costs on their shelves. Add to that the cost of increased beauracracy. Increase in duties and tariffs under WTO in case of a no deal. These will hit anyway as whatever deal we get will not be as good as the one we have. Hence. Going shopping after March will cost you more. Are wages increasing ? Inflation etc. And to clarify. I was a reluctant remained. The Eu needs reforming undoubtably. But. The impact on is as a nation and economy is just too high a price to pay. Remind me again on what percentage of the Uk economy is trading with the EU and what percent of that do you expect us to lose from that ? Approximately 80% of what we as a nation consume is either imported directly or relies in imported components. Within that I believe. Though would have to check that nearly 60% comes from our nearest neighbours (EU). Have a wander round a supermarket and look at countries of origin in the labels. Then look at the deals we have via the EU and duty and tarring rates. Then compare them to WTO rates. I’m my case duty alone increases from 2.5% to 10 % in the case of a no deal. If WTO was so great we would my need FTAs. So why have them ? It’s a plain and simple fact. Costs will increase on the high street. Wages will stagnate. Of course free trade is best but which side is wanting to stop that ?for your info 8% of companies trade with the eu and that is 12% of uk trade(Gov figures so I presume correct) again how much of that do you expect us to lose? If things go up then it will encourage uk consumers to buy british, do you agree that we import a tiny amount of food from the US, if that one "fact" is so way out why would we beleive anything you post 12% of UK trade is not the same thing as that is net trade I believe. And as for encouraging to Buy British ? Hmm. Love the sentiment. Not sure about the practicalities. We can’t produce enough wheat in this country for a start to supply our needs. Co2 ? Eurotron ? Gallileo? I can’t move for Orange growers in the UK. Can you ? How many trade deals do we. The UK. Currently have in place ? Oh. And as for the UK US trade deal. ? Food safety standards is the response to that. Along with NHS privatisation... I’m not getting into an endless argument. You do at least admit that prices will go up. And that is a direct response to Brexit in whatever form. I noticed you live in Spain ? Or st least have a place there ? Do you not find that ironic ? And if you live there full time as a resident presumably you didn’t t vote in the referendum m as the 3.5 other million expats who were denied a vote ? Well. Either way. We have made our plans Re Brexit ... good luck with yours. " We attended a British embassy meeting on the subject of brexit and what to do. A lady made the case that she is a British citizen who paid her way in the UK - left 16 years ago - no vote but the referendum had a direct impact on her and she couldn't vote in it. What other country strips it's citizens of their rights based on a "time" rule. That's democracy from the oldest democracy in the world! | |||
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" Haha yes, but their agenda is to help people. Amnesty international and friends of the earth have agendas to look after people’s human rights and to campaign for environmental protection. Not every “agenda” is a bad agenda. And I genuinely don’t have time to parphrase any of these reports for you. If you choose not to read them then how can you bash them? And why on earth would the government admit to any of these things? The way they work is tell people what they want to hear while implementing any self serving policies. The whole point of Brexit is to hand more power to the ruling elite. " So thats a no then | |||
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" 12% of UK trade is not the same thing as that is net trade I believe. And as for encouraging to Buy British ? Hmm. Love the sentiment. Not sure about the practicalities. We can’t produce enough wheat in this country for a start to supply our needs. Co2 ? Eurotron ? Gallileo? I can’t move for Orange growers in the UK. Can you ? How many trade deals do we. The UK. Currently have in place ? Oh. And as for the UK US trade deal. ? Food safety standards is the response to that. Along with NHS privatisation... I’m not getting into an endless argument. You do at least admit that prices will go up. And that is a direct response to Brexit in whatever form. I noticed you live in Spain ? Or st least have a place there ? Do you not find that ironic ? And if you live there full time as a resident presumably you didn’t t vote in the referendum m as the 3.5 other million expats who were denied a vote ? Well. Either way. We have made our plans Re Brexit ... good luck with yours. " Sorry didnt make that very clear our exports are 12% of uk gdp, Ive yet to hear how much any claims we could lose if we go WTO, but of course its not us who is playing silly buggers over a trade deal. We actually produce a surplus of wheat in this country and export quite a bit, some wheat doesnt make the grade for flour and wwe dont grow much durum wheat which is used for pasta as it doesnt like our normalwet summers, as for food standards Ive not noticed many reports of americans dying in their thousands, if you mean the chlorinated chicken scare which is what it is then I assume you dont realise almost every drop of drinking water from a tap has chlorine in it and every bag of fresh salad is washed in chlorine, its a very effective disinfectant used very widely in this country in food production and has been for many many years, we used it as a final rinse in our dairy plant as do all farms and dairies, it makes food safe not dangerous. We dont live in Spain and Ive never set foot on mainland spain but have been to several spanish Islands, we do go to france a lot though, I love europeans and europe I just dont want to be part of the eu superstate as I dont believe it will or can ever work. | |||
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"..... We attended a British embassy meeting on the subject of brexit and what to do. A lady made the case that she is a British citizen who paid her way in the UK - left 16 years ago - no vote but the referendum had a direct impact on her and she couldn't vote in it. What other country strips it's citizens of their rights based on a "time" rule. That's democracy from the oldest democracy in the world! " Well according to wiki loads including Ireland who apart from doing government duties arent allowed to vote at all, germany it says 25 years, canada its five years etc etc many have strict rules about being in the country on voting day eg malta so you cant even go on holiday and vote | |||
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" Haha yes, but their agenda is to help people. Amnesty international and friends of the earth have agendas to look after people’s human rights and to campaign for environmental protection. Not every “agenda” is a bad agenda. And I genuinely don’t have time to parphrase any of these reports for you. If you choose not to read them then how can you bash them? And why on earth would the government admit to any of these things? The way they work is tell people what they want to hear while implementing any self serving policies. The whole point of Brexit is to hand more power to the ruling elite. So thats a no then " Argueing with you seems futile, if you don’t engage in any form of debate and just insist on asking irrelevant questions or refuse to look at the evidence presented to you then there is no point. You have some kind of semantic victory because you don’t want to look at the facts or because you don’t like that I suggested that your other questions are silly. That may be fine for you. But it’s tiring so I’m out. | |||
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" Haha yes, but their agenda is to help people. Amnesty international and friends of the earth have agendas to look after people’s human rights and to campaign for environmental protection. Not every “agenda” is a bad agenda. And I genuinely don’t have time to parphrase any of these reports for you. If you choose not to read them then how can you bash them? And why on earth would the government admit to any of these things? The way they work is tell people what they want to hear while implementing any self serving policies. The whole point of Brexit is to hand more power to the ruling elite. So thats a no then Argueing with you seems futile, if you don’t engage in any form of debate and just insist on asking irrelevant questions or refuse to look at the evidence presented to you then there is no point. You have some kind of semantic victory because you don’t want to look at the facts or because you don’t like that I suggested that your other questions are silly. That may be fine for you. But it’s tiring so I’m out. " Its you who isnt producing the facts to support your claim, I asked what regs have the goverment said they are getting rid of or may get rid of. the government are the only ones who make the laws in this country anything anyone else says is irrelevant | |||
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"If u don't like the result keep voting till u get the one u want ...how about best of three ...with the way the eu twats have so far responded...the result may be even wider next time ...my pub survey says a few have change side to leave now and stand up for ourselves ...let the Germans have the eu for themselves ...." The anti eu sentiment is strong in this one. Is it something to do with football? | |||
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"......leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. What kind of thought process leads you to believe that? The role of Government is to provide a stable and quantifiable environment in which we can all live our lives in comfort and safety and one into which investments can be made in industry, business and infrastructure. The Government is currently dismantling the stable economic environment that for 40 years has enabled business large and small to thrive due to the country being closely aligned with is geographical neighbours. The only significant manufacturers left in this country (aviation and automotive) have all given absolute warnings of the likely damaging effect of simply leaving the Single Matket, let alone turning our backs completely on the EU." | |||
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" 12% of UK trade is not the same thing as that is net trade I believe. And as for encouraging to Buy British ? Hmm. Love the sentiment. Not sure about the practicalities. We can’t produce enough wheat in this country for a start to supply our needs. Co2 ? Eurotron ? Gallileo? I can’t move for Orange growers in the UK. Can you ? How many trade deals do we. The UK. Currently have in place ? Oh. And as for the UK US trade deal. ? Food safety standards is the response to that. Along with NHS privatisation... I’m not getting into an endless argument. You do at least admit that prices will go up. And that is a direct response to Brexit in whatever form. I noticed you live in Spain ? Or st least have a place there ? Do you not find that ironic ? And if you live there full time as a resident presumably you didn’t t vote in the referendum m as the 3.5 other million expats who were denied a vote ? Well. Either way. We have made our plans Re Brexit ... good luck with yours. Sorry didnt make that very clear our exports are 12% of uk gdp, Ive yet to hear how much any claims we could lose if we go WTO, but of course its not us who is playing silly buggers over a trade deal. We actually produce a surplus of wheat in this country and export quite a bit, some wheat doesnt make the grade for flour and wwe dont grow much durum wheat which is used for pasta as it doesnt like our normalwet summers, as for food standards Ive not noticed many reports of americans dying in their thousands, if you mean the chlorinated chicken scare which is what it is then I assume you dont realise almost every drop of drinking water from a tap has chlorine in it and every bag of fresh salad is washed in chlorine, its a very effective disinfectant used very widely in this country in food production and has been for many many years, we used it as a final rinse in our dairy plant as do all farms and dairies, it makes food safe not dangerous. We dont live in Spain and Ive never set foot on mainland spain but have been to several spanish Islands, we do go to france a lot though, I love europeans and europe I just dont want to be part of the eu superstate as I dont believe it will or can ever work. " No, see. it *is* us being silly buggers about a trade deal. Or rather, it is our politicians who are. People like Davis, Fox, Johnson, May, etc who have all managed to try various forms of 'cake and eat it' in the part two years, and still don't get it. Yes, we have have a free trade deal. It is easy. We have one right now as a part of the common market. But we wish to leave that. And in doing so we leave that free trade deal. It really is quite simple. -Matt | |||
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"......leaving could turn out to the best thing for the country. What kind of thought process leads you to believe that? The role of Government is to provide a stable and quantifiable environment in which we can all live our lives in comfort and safety and one into which investments can be made in industry, business and infrastructure. The Government is currently dismantling the stable economic environment that for 40 years has enabled business large and small to thrive due to the country being closely aligned with is geographical neighbours. The only significant manufacturers left in this country (aviation and automotive) have all given absolute warnings of the likely damaging effect of simply leaving the Single Matket, let alone turning our backs completely on the EU. Couldn’t agree more. Though I would add (as we are one ourselves ) the exodus of SME’s will have an exponentiallly bigger impact. We run/ran a wholesales distribution company from the UK for 7 years. Single market access and FOM of goods made this possible. Now. We have moved our business to mainland Europe as it can’t survive post Brexit. And we are one in thousands doing the same. Supply chain and JIT requirements etc. Also. A guy I spoke with said didn’t affect him as they didn’t rely on this etc etc. When I asked where his suppliers source from (EU) his response was “that’s their problem. I have d alt with the big supermarkets in the past. They spend more in dollars and euros than Stirling. A weak pound alone puts up costs on their shelves. Add to that the cost of increased beauracracy. Increase in duties and tariffs under WTO in case of a no deal. These will hit anyway as whatever deal we get will not be as good as the one we have. Hence. Going shopping after March will cost you more. Are wages increasing ? Inflation etc. And to clarify. I was a reluctant remained. The Eu needs reforming undoubtably. But. The impact on is as a nation and economy is just too high a price to pay. Remind me again on what percentage of the Uk economy is trading with the EU and what percent of that do you expect us to lose from that ? Approximately 80% of what we as a nation consume is either imported directly or relies in imported components. Within that I believe. Though would have to check that nearly 60% comes from our nearest neighbours (EU). Have a wander round a supermarket and look at countries of origin in the labels. Then look at the deals we have via the EU and duty and tarring rates. Then compare them to WTO rates. I’m my case duty alone increases from 2.5% to 10 % in the case of a no deal. If WTO was so great we would my need FTAs. So why have them ? It’s a plain and simple fact. Costs will increase on the high street. Wages will stagnate. Of course free trade is best but which side is wanting to stop that ?for your info 8% of companies trade with the eu and that is 12% of uk trade(Gov figures so I presume correct) again how much of that do you expect us to lose? If things go up then it will encourage uk consumers to buy british, do you agree that we import a tiny amount of food from the US, if that one "fact" is so way out why would we beleive anything you post" are you tying this from a british built computer or a british built mobile phone.... just wondering? | |||
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