FabSwingers.com forum: Now we need Immigrants

By *uietbloke67 OP Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

So now we know we need Immigrants and to be fair some of us already knew ...what do the anti immigration brexit mob feel now....the penny dropping yet youv been conned.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The UK economy has improved with immigrants and personal finances have been hit harder - you're poorer - due to the bad exchange rate of the £, since the referendum. In those few months since, you have lost more money than immigrants might have suppressed wages, or any of the other scares, over the last 20 years or so. And the UK hasn't left yet.

It was a good job that those immigrants helped to strengthen the UK economy

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

" ...what do the anti immigration brexit mob feel now...."

they're off down the Job Centre to look for some unemployed neurosurgeons and particle physicists

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Come to Kent...dover Margate ramsgate ....you can have some of ours

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"Come to Kent...dover Margate ramsgate ....you can have some of ours "

Margate's full of dfl 'immigrants' drinking pink gin out of jam jars on open deck bus cafes and Bulgarian immigrants picking the fields

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can predict this one.

Step one. Deny the facts. As they did prior to the referendum

Step Two. Bring up some analysis by a Mongolian Economics student that predicts Spar shops in Norwich city centre might sell 4-5 more bags of crisps per year by 2027.

Step thre. Say some racist stuff and then call everyone snowflakes

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Weyyyyy and the insults keep a coming lol same old shit diffrent day get a fucking life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No what they actually said was we need more highly skilled immigrants

Not 1,000’s of car washers.

And yes I know we need farm workers as well but all they would have to do is apply for a temp work visa, just like they do in Australia

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"I can predict this one.

Step one. Deny the facts. As they did prior to the referendum

Step Two. Bring up some analysis by a Mongolian Economics student that predicts Spar shops in Norwich city centre might sell 4-5 more bags of crisps per year by 2027.

Step thre. Say some racist stuff and then call everyone snowflakes

We need the extra doctors and really high skilled people if we dont have them, but why with 1.5 million on the dole do we need care assistants,fruit pickers, or even plumbers and builders, perhaps thats the question that needs asking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NHS would be lost without them x

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley

"Weyyyyy and the insults keep a coming lol same old shit diffrent day get a fucking life "

They have got a life, it consists of posting the same old crap on here over and over again!

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes

"Weyyyyy and the insults keep a coming lol same old shit diffrent day get a fucking life

They have got a life, it consists of posting the same old crap on here over and over again!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"No what they actually said was we need more highly skilled immigrants

Not 1,000’s of car washers.

And yes I know we need farm workers as well but all they would have to do is apply for a temp work visa, just like they do in Australia "

Hit the nail on the head. Nigel Farage said during the referendum we need a points based immigration system similar to Australia. It's unrestricted and uncontrolled immigration people object to, and that's what free movement of people from the EU is, unrestricted and uncontrolled. The leave campaign made it very clear during the referendum we need a targeted, controlled immigration system in the UK, to attract the highly skilled migrants we need, and not to just let any unskilled, unemployed Tom, Dick or Harry in just because they hold an EU passport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Today I worked with a Greek driver delivering goods to shops, (multi drop).

Once he realised his driving too fast didn’t scare me, and that I was prepared to lift and carry just as much as him, we got along ok.

Seems he was a marine over there, and it seemed to me that he would love to make enough money to go back.

I hear this sort of thing every day, they say it’s an easier life here, but they always wanted to return at some point.

But then I work in a cash and carry and they are agency workers. I bet those who do get permanent jobs would not be as keen to go back whence they belong...

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By *uietbloke67 OP Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"Come to Kent...dover Margate ramsgate ....you can have some of ours "

Was down your way 5 weeks ago listening to an English factory production manager extol the virtues of his polish immigrant workers whilst noting his English workers where not half as good.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Come to Kent...dover Margate ramsgate ....you can have some of ours

Was down your way 5 weeks ago listening to an English factory production manager extol the virtues of his polish immigrant workers whilst noting his English workers where not half as good."

Most poles are dammed good workers, the problem is no one can tell the brits that wont work they are useless as its not pc, they have been told brits are too good for graft by our socialist bosses

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Again us brits are shit and everyone else is the bees knees it’s fucking pathetic that ppl get of on kicking there own

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By *uietbloke67 OP Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"Again us brits are shit and everyone else is the bees knees it’s fucking pathetic that ppl get of on kicking there own "

I've people's from all 4 nations that make up the UK...wouldn't say they are particularly lazy ...usual 80/20 rule applies

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"So now we know we need Immigrants and to be fair some of us already knew ...what do the anti immigration brexit mob feel now....the penny dropping yet youv been conned."
What a twisted statement you have just made,there is more to the statement than that,it does not say let anybody in as your implying.

If you want to start a thread reports the facts and not your twisted version

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Again us brits are shit and everyone else is the bees knees it’s fucking pathetic that ppl get of on kicking there own

I've people's from all 4 nations that make up the UK...wouldn't say they are particularly lazy ...usual 80/20 rule applies"

Hence the term "Brits" I assume...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Again us brits are shit and everyone else is the bees knees it’s fucking pathetic that ppl get of on kicking there own "

You’re almost saying that people shouldn’t be judged on their nationality. Almost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Again us brits are shit and everyone else is the bees knees it’s fucking pathetic that ppl get of on kicking there own "

I think the point that's been made & missed by some is that very often the foreign worker has come from a Country that gives very little if anything to the unemployed so they have a different mindset that they have to work & work hard to live.

Many in this Country are given much more by the state if they can't be arsed to work so the mindset can be very different, they either won't work to start with or don't put the same effort in if unemployment isn't too much of a fear for them.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Again us brits are shit and everyone else is the bees knees it’s fucking pathetic that ppl get of on kicking there own

Absolutely we need welfare reform. Too many see dropping out as a career path.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s a worry we seem to have a shortage of skilled workers and an excess of unskilled. Given the direction of travel of invention and the like, which may be accelerated in lieu of increasing wages, there could be much unrest around the corner ... miners Part II.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"It’s a worry we seem to have a shortage of skilled workers and an excess of unskilled. Given the direction of travel of invention and the like, which may be accelerated in lieu of increasing wages, there could be much unrest around the corner ... miners Part II. "

They were hard working people losing their lively hood. Not lazy fucks losing free cash. Could they really struggle out of Wetherspoons long enough to get angry? Not if the bookies is open.....

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By *uietbloke67 OP Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"So now we know we need Immigrants and to be fair some of us already knew ...what do the anti immigration brexit mob feel now....the penny dropping yet youv been conned.What a twisted statement you have just made,there is more to the statement than that,it does not say let anybody in as your implying.

If you want to start a thread reports the facts and not your twisted version"

Its an absolute fact, they told you immigration would come down on leaving...a blatant lie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can honestly see work permits being handed out like sweets to low skilled EU workers if we actually get a "Brexit" anyway.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

If you want to start a thread reports the facts and not your twisted version"

OK, fair enough. The 'we need them' maybe is subjective.

So we just stick to the facts that the average EU migrant brings in £2,300 *more* to the exchequer per annum than the average UK adult.

But given the facts, it does seem a pretty good opinion that we do need migrants.

-Matt

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I can honestly see work permits being handed out like sweets to low skilled EU workers if we actually get a "Brexit" anyway."

thats because the "unspoken" truth is that they do a lot of the jobs the natives seem to think are "benneth them"

I do think the MCA report today did a great job of dispelling a lot of the myths that some people like farage and their supporters here like to spout... especially with regards to education and spaces in schools, wage surpression and the NHS that contridicts what some like to claim here (and have done so even in the last few days...)

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

If you want to start a thread reports the facts and not your twisted version

Its an absolute fact, they told you immigration would come down on leaving...a blatant lie"

Not a lie.....as immigration from the EU has fallen since the vote to leave, and that is an absolute fact!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want to start a thread reports the facts and not your twisted version

OK, fair enough. The 'we need them' maybe is subjective.

So we just stick to the facts that the average EU migrant brings in £2,300 *more* to the exchequer per annum than the average UK adult.

But given the facts, it does seem a pretty good opinion that we do need migrants.

-Matt"
It would be interesting to see the workings behind this calculation and the period to which it relates. Other sources suggest that they contribute less , not more.

In any event we should be addressing the issue as to why we need immigrants and if necessary training our local population to undertake the roles concerned .

On a simplistic basis the UK is full up and cannot cope with an expanding population.

Luckily technology will resolve some of our problems. It will soon be possible to pick fruit using machinery.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

If you want to start a thread reports the facts and not your twisted version

OK, fair enough. The 'we need them' maybe is subjective.

So we just stick to the facts that the average EU migrant brings in £2,300 *more* to the exchequer per annum than the average UK adult.

But given the facts, it does seem a pretty good opinion that we do need migrants.

-Matt It would be interesting to see the workings behind this calculation and the period to which it relates. Other sources suggest that they contribute less , not more.

In any event we should be addressing the issue as to why we need immigrants and if necessary training our local population to undertake the roles concerned .

On a simplistic basis the UK is full up and cannot cope with an expanding population.

Luckily technology will resolve some of our problems. It will soon be possible to pick fruit using machinery. "

I agree we should be training our local population, but our government does seem to want to do that. Look at the medical profession to show just how little the government are doing, and how much they are actively doing to dissuade people to go into those professions.

I think saying ‘the U.K. is full’ is simplistic. I’d say it is simplistic to the point of being just wrong. And as pointed out already our ‘expanding population’ is mainly us giving birth to more people.

Yes, automation will replace a lot of jobs. And just like in the US, that progress in technology is being overlooked in the job market and being blamed on immigrants instead. But considering there are so many on here who keep harking back to a U.K. from many decades ago, it may be hard to get them to see what is in front of them.

-Matt

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

As an employer ..it now appears to me that of the 4 million or so now unemployment...about 3.9m of these are unemployable ..had a job in our firm for 2 months and no yes no applicants....boy I must be a bad employer ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As an employer ..it now appears to me that of the 4 million or so now unemployment...about 3.9m of these are unemployable ..had a job in our firm for 2 months and no yes no applicants....boy I must be a bad employer ..

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out for interest, what do you see as your options if you continue to not get the right Cv? I imagine many would say put up the pay, but is this feasible for you ? Or would this mean putting up prices? Or if you couldn’t would you have to consider getting out ?

It seems to me the idea of “pay what the market demands” doesn’t capture the complexity of the real world enough.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Im not sure where the figure that says the average non brit worker contributes more than the average brit is arrived at.

While of course the highly skilled doctor etc will be very well paid a pretty high percentage of the non brits round here are employed in the care areas, hospitallity business or lower skilled building work, many would be on minimum wage. It would interesting to see the figures and again why arent the brits doing these jobs

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

I work in IT. It is such a fast moving world that I’m hiring for people with experience in technologies that didn’t even exist 6-12 months ago. I’m not needing to hire a 7th generation master carpenter. So I need to be able to look far and wide. So for me being able to hire across the EU without any extra paperwork, red tape or hassle is great. And vice versa many of the people I know in the U.K. are similarly hired in the EU. A lot of them are ‘digital nomads’ in that they move around the world and enjoy experiencing other countries whilst working remotely. No, that doesn’t suit everyone. And we still need to be able to hire local staff for more geographically-bound jobs. But this global working is becoming more and more ‘normal’, and hence why younger people are so pissed off at older generations for removing rights they had to do this. Especially when they try to pass it off as ‘patriotism’.

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Im not sure where the figure that says the average non brit worker contributes more than the average brit is arrived at.

Just to pull you up on one thing, care work is not unskilled. My daughter is going through a 3 year course to train to be a social care worker.

In terms of why the average EU immigrant pays in more to the state is likely related to what has already been said, many come here at working age, and leave to go back home before retiring. They also come from a culture of less social safety.

-Matt

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes

You didn’t answer European Express,s question about the figures you quoted Matt,who are they from and what period do they cover ?

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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago

lytham st.annes

"You didn’t answer European Express,s question about the figures you quoted Matt,who are they from and what period do they cover ?"
. Just googled it,it came from the Independent newspaper,who are running a campaign to have a new vote,enough said lol

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"I can honestly see work permits being handed out like sweets to low skilled EU workers if we actually get a "Brexit" anyway.

thats because the "unspoken" truth is that they do a lot of the jobs the natives seem to think are "benneth them"

Do you think if NHS workers were paid a decent wage, then the NHS would attract more British born workers? Thus negating the need for immigrant workers? Likewise for other immigrant dependent industries. Is the use of immigrant workers willing to work for low wages allowing industry to continue to keep pay low?

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"You didn’t answer European Express,s question about the figures you quoted Matt,who are they from and what period do they cover ?. Just googled it,it came from the Independent newspaper,who are running a campaign to have a new vote,enough said lol"

It has been reported in several places, including the Independant. The report itself is from a group called Oxford Economics and was produced for HMG. The report itself can be found googling for “fiscal effect of immigration in the U.K. oxford economics”.

Yes, newspapers report things. Sometimes they have biases. This is mostly clearly seen in the right wing tabloids, but of course covers all.

-Matt

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Basically less immigration = less profit for the cats... poorly paid slave labour.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Nearly 30% of births in the UK are to women born outside of the UK.

This ageing population needing immigration to care for them is a red herring, careers eventually grow old and need care, 30% of children born to immigrants need care when they get old.

Just one question, when do you stop bringing in an ever increasing number of cheap labour to care for the ever increasing number of elderly??.

100 million, 200 million, 500 million??.

There's long term questions and planning needed for sure but I don't get this idea that you can just import foreigners forever for an ever increasing elderly population, it's plainly not sustainable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, newspapers report things. Sometimes they have biases. This is mostly clearly seen in the right wing tabloids, but of course covers all.

-Matt"

Thanks Matt. Would be good to also see EEs source to get the balance of views in this thread. Or indeed have anything to google off.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Bringing in money is great but somebody needs to figure in the expenditure on roads, schools, bridges, sewers, water, electric. If we build all this extra capacity your wasting your money if they all fuck off in ten years.

Boosting GDP is good for the country but boosting GDP per capita (ie getting individuals richer) is the real trick like Japan has done while at times seeing they're GDP drop below growth.

If we grow the population by 10% but only see 8% gdp growth then yes you could say immigration has helped increase GDP by 8% but in reality sharing 8% by 10% extra means we all just got a little poorer, not hard and fast because it depends how we slice up the profit but very manipulable depending on what you want the narrative to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed. And this applies on many fronts including the “it will cost the Eu more than it will cost us” which is often a function of relative size.

However you do need to be mindful of the alternative reality. Suppose this 10% immigration was to replace lots of retirements. It would be wrong to say imigration only increased gdp by 8% as they’d be covering some of the loss of gdp from retirements as well as adding the 8%. Without them we may have seen a 5% say drop in gdp on a flat population, so a 5% drop in gdp per capita.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Nearly 30% of births in the UK are to women born outside of the UK.

This ageing population needing immigration to care for them is a red herring, careers eventually grow old and need care, 30% of children born to immigrants need care when they get old.

Just one question, when do you stop bringing in an ever increasing number of cheap labour to care for the ever increasing number of elderly??.

100 million, 200 million, 500 million??.

There's long term questions and planning needed for sure but I don't get this idea that you can just import foreigners forever for an ever increasing elderly population, it's plainly not sustainable.

Yes, and as said before, just because my wife was born on an Army base in Germany does not mean that our daughter should be lumped in to whatever point you are trying to prove.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's fantastic that brexit will make the UK more diverse and multicultural because the immigrants will be from further afield .I would of voted for it if farage said he would bring in a greater diversity of immigrants to replace the white Christian Eastern Europeans.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"It's fantastic that brexit will make the UK more diverse and multicultural because the immigrants will be from further afield .I would of voted for it if farage said he would bring in a greater diversity of immigrants to replace the white Christian Eastern Europeans.

#modernslavery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

#modernslavery "

True we will be selecting people based on how little we can pay them .Im also against taking the brightest from poor countries .They need surgeons and engineers more than we do ..

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

#modernslavery

True we will be selecting people based on how little we can pay them .Im also against taking the brightest from poor countries .They need surgeons and engineers more than we do .."

Exactly.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Agreed. And this applies on many fronts including the “it will cost the Eu more than it will cost us” which is often a function of relative size.

That's kinda the point I was making.

We've lost 10,000 dollars per person since the 2007 banking crises high despite seeing GDP growth as a whole

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Nearly 30% of births in the UK are to women born outside of the UK.

This ageing population needing immigration to care for them is a red herring, careers eventually grow old and need care, 30% of children born to immigrants need care when they get old.

Just one question, when do you stop bringing in an ever increasing number of cheap labour to care for the ever increasing number of elderly??.

100 million, 200 million, 500 million??.

There's long term questions and planning needed for sure but I don't get this idea that you can just import foreigners forever for an ever increasing elderly population, it's plainly not sustainable.

Yes, and as said before, just because my wife was born on an Army base in Germany does not mean that our daughter should be lumped in to whatever point you are trying to prove.

-Matt"
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You've kinda lost me a little, are you saying the 1 in 4 babies born today from women born outside the UK are all army wives?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

#modernslavery

True we will be selecting people based on how little we can pay them .Im also against taking the brightest from poor countries .They need surgeons and engineers more than we do .."
I’m confused so if your against taking the brightest from poor country’s who do you want to come here I thought you were for imagratiion and free movement do you only want the unskilled then on low pay ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nearly 30% of births in the UK are to women born outside of the UK.

This ageing population needing immigration to care for them is a red herring, careers eventually grow old and need care, 30% of children born to immigrants need care when they get old.

Just one question, when do you stop bringing in an ever increasing number of cheap labour to care for the ever increasing number of elderly??.

100 million, 200 million, 500 million??.

There's long term questions and planning needed for sure but I don't get this idea that you can just import foreigners forever for an ever increasing elderly population, it's plainly not sustainable.

Yes, and as said before, just because my wife was born on an Army base in Germany does not mean that our daughter should be lumped in to whatever point you are trying to prove.

-Matt.

You've kinda lost me a little, are you saying the 1 in 4 babies born today from women born outside the UK are all army wives?"

I’d suspect it’s that the stats do not give any indication of whether these 1 in 4 are British or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

#modernslavery

True we will be selecting people based on how little we can pay them .Im also against taking the brightest from poor countries .They need surgeons and engineers more than we do .. I’m confused so if your against taking the brightest from poor country’s who do you want to come here I thought you were for imagratiion and free movement do you only want the unskilled then on low pay ?"

We can take the brightest from the west rather get them from poor countries were they are needed more .Buisness wants the cheapest unskilled labour .Where they come from doesn't matter as long as they can be sent home after they've done our work .Alternatively we could increase wages and increase prices on fruit and veg that's picked or the products made or packaged by the unskilled .

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

#modernslavery

Its the great problem isn't it? The hypocrisy of liberalism. "Let them all in! They're an asset to our country!" Meanwhile their country of origin sinks further back into the shit....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

so you are now not allowing people in for the greater good of their countries... my my, magnamaous of you!!!

in which case, i never want to hear you complain when there are not enough nurses/doctors to treat you... or your family!!!

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Nearly 30% of births in the UK are to women born outside of the UK.

This ageing population needing immigration to care for them is a red herring, careers eventually grow old and need care, 30% of children born to immigrants need care when they get old.

Just one question, when do you stop bringing in an ever increasing number of cheap labour to care for the ever increasing number of elderly??.

100 million, 200 million, 500 million??.

There's long term questions and planning needed for sure but I don't get this idea that you can just import foreigners forever for an ever increasing elderly population, it's plainly not sustainable.

Yes, and as said before, just because my wife was born on an Army base in Germany does not mean that our daughter should be lumped in to whatever point you are trying to prove.

-Matt.

You've kinda lost me a little, are you saying the 1 in 4 babies born today from women born outside the UK are all army wives?

I’d suspect it’s that the stats do not give any indication of whether these 1 in 4 are British or not. "
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Well that's nearly 200,000 births, I guess we'll just have let people make their own minds up if it was all army births or births to the recent immigration levels of 40,000 a month!

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"so you are now not allowing people in for the greater good of their countries... my my, magnamaous of you!!!

in which case, i never want to hear you complain when there are not enough nurses/doctors to treat you... or your family!!!"

Surely if the pay went up, more people would want to get into that career. Then we wouldn't need to drain these people away from their home countries.

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By *uietbloke67 OP Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

If you want to start a thread reports the facts and not your twisted version

Its an absolute fact, they told you immigration would come down on leaving...a blatant lie

Not a lie.....as immigration from the EU has fallen since the vote to leave, and that is an absolute fact!"

Only because our European friends have told us to stick our countries up our arse and now we are finding out we actually name these people to do the jobs the locals are above doing.....so what's your factual answer to the problem.

We don't want European because we don't

We don't want Asian well cause their all Muslims Pedo gang members of Isis.

We don't want Africans well let's face it their black and god forbid we let in black people ...we even tried to send the Carribien ones home 40 year later.....so what we left with ....South Americans n.a. speak Spanish can't have that ...Russian ....Noòoo their bad....Chinese...nice food but communists at heart.

Tell you what we will have an Australian type immigration policy ...but O Austrailia now has more eastern Asian, Greeks, Italians and Brits than we do.

O we will let the Americans in the Canadians in. and the Ozzys in...but O forgot they have sunshine and a better standard of living than us and don't want to come to this wee right wing shite hole in the see.

So I'm stuck who do we let in???

That's it only people who have a trade or highly educated ....them we can get them to pick the veg work in the hotels and care homes and keep us Brits happy ... it they have to be white Christians though .

There is a few facts for you

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over a year ago

Scandinavian leggy models are more than welcome to come and pick our fruit and veg.Or maybe south East Asians.Thai and philipinos are hard workers and are easy on the eye . What nation should we get or cheap labour from...?

Vietnam or Cambodia looks to a winner.

Plus Buddhist rarely blow themselves up .

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

If you want to start a thread reports the facts and not your twisted version

Its an absolute fact, they told you immigration would come down on leaving...a blatant lie

Not a lie.....as immigration from the EU has fallen since the vote to leave, and that is an absolute fact!

We don't want European because we don't

We don't want Asian well cause their all Muslims Pedo gang members of Isis.

Tell you what we will have an Australian type immigration policy ...but O Austrailia now has more eastern Asian, Greeks, Italians and Brits than we do.

So I'm stuck who do we let in???

There is a few facts for you

I wouldn't have said that ALL Asians were paedos, but if you insist that that's a fact, then i must assume all of your ramblings are correct.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Scandinavian leggy models are more than welcome to come and pick our fruit and veg.Or maybe south East Asians.Thai and philipinos are hard workers and are easy on the eye . What nation should we get or cheap labour from...?

Vietnam or Cambodia looks to a winner.

Plus Buddhist rarely blow themselves up .

Turns out they don't mind a bit of genocide though do they....

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

If you want to start a thread reports the facts and not your twisted version

Its an absolute fact, they told you immigration would come down on leaving...a blatant lie

Not a lie.....as immigration from the EU has fallen since the vote to leave, and that is an absolute fact!

We don't want European because we don't

We don't want Asian well cause their all Muslims Pedo gang members of Isis.

Tell you what we will have an Australian type immigration policy ...but O Austrailia now has more eastern Asian, Greeks, Italians and Brits than we do.

So I'm stuck who do we let in???

There is a few facts for you

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I take it when you decided on the name quietbloke you were being sarcastic

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Nearly 30% of births in the UK are to women born outside of the UK.

This ageing population needing immigration to care for them is a red herring, careers eventually grow old and need care, 30% of children born to immigrants need care when they get old.

Just one question, when do you stop bringing in an ever increasing number of cheap labour to care for the ever increasing number of elderly??.

100 million, 200 million, 500 million??.

There's long term questions and planning needed for sure but I don't get this idea that you can just import foreigners forever for an ever increasing elderly population, it's plainly not sustainable.

Yes, and as said before, just because my wife was born on an Army base in Germany does not mean that our daughter should be lumped in to whatever point you are trying to prove.

-Matt.

You've kinda lost me a little, are you saying the 1 in 4 babies born today from women born outside the UK are all army wives?

I’d suspect it’s that the stats do not give any indication of whether these 1 in 4 are British or not. .

Well that's nearly 200,000 births, I guess we'll just have let people make their own minds up if it was all army births or births to the recent immigration levels of 40,000 a month!"

Goodness grief. Or we could let people just read what is written, and not try and twist it to the extremes you seem to be trying to do in order to further some strange point.

-Matt

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over a year ago

Vietnam or Cambodia looks to a winner.

Plus Buddhist rarely blow themselves up .

Turns out they don't mind a bit of genocide though do they.... "

Yeah but when it's against muslims it's not really a problem in 2018 .We can sleep well knowing a few less suicide bombers are walking the earth thanks to our peace loving Buddhist fruit pickers.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Nearly 30% of births in the UK are to women born outside of the UK.

This ageing population needing immigration to care for them is a red herring, careers eventually grow old and need care, 30% of children born to immigrants need care when they get old.

Just one question, when do you stop bringing in an ever increasing number of cheap labour to care for the ever increasing number of elderly??.

100 million, 200 million, 500 million??.

There's long term questions and planning needed for sure but I don't get this idea that you can just import foreigners forever for an ever increasing elderly population, it's plainly not sustainable.

Yes, and as said before, just because my wife was born on an Army base in Germany does not mean that our daughter should be lumped in to whatever point you are trying to prove.

-Matt.

You've kinda lost me a little, are you saying the 1 in 4 babies born today from women born outside the UK are all army wives?

I’d suspect it’s that the stats do not give any indication of whether these 1 in 4 are British or not. .

Well that's nearly 200,000 births, I guess we'll just have let people make their own minds up if it was all army births or births to the recent immigration levels of 40,000 a month!

Goodness grief. Or we could let people just read what is written, and not try and twist it to the extremes you seem to be trying to do in order to further some strange point.

-Matt"
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Goodness grief indeed.

I suspect most "normal" people will conclude I was referring to the 200,000 births from foreign mothers being from recent immigration levels.

I mean you could be right but I very much doubt it.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

It was a very simple question that you've failed to even address.

1 why is it only the UK with an ageing population and not Poland or Thailand.

why is it only the West that have done policies that have drove down they're birthrates below 2 per couple for decades leading to an ageing population?.

Why in Britain have we drove a wedge down the family for decades only to then declare, goodness grief we are dependent on foreigners to look after our own parents.

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over a year ago

"Nearly 30% of births in the UK are to women born outside of the UK.

This ageing population needing immigration to care for them is a red herring, careers eventually grow old and need care, 30% of children born to immigrants need care when they get old.

Just one question, when do you stop bringing in an ever increasing number of cheap labour to care for the ever increasing number of elderly??.

100 million, 200 million, 500 million??.

There's long term questions and planning needed for sure but I don't get this idea that you can just import foreigners forever for an ever increasing elderly population, it's plainly not sustainable.

Yes, and as said before, just because my wife was born on an Army base in Germany does not mean that our daughter should be lumped in to whatever point you are trying to prove.

-Matt.

You've kinda lost me a little, are you saying the 1 in 4 babies born today from women born outside the UK are all army wives?

I’d suspect it’s that the stats do not give any indication of whether these 1 in 4 are British or not. .

Well that's nearly 200,000 births, I guess we'll just have let people make their own minds up if it was all army births or births to the recent immigration levels of 40,000 a month!

Goodness grief. Or we could let people just read what is written, and not try and twist it to the extremes you seem to be trying to do in order to further some strange point.

-Matt.

Goodness grief indeed.

I suspect most "normal" people will conclude I was referring to the 200,000 births from foreign mothers being from recent immigration levels.

I mean you could be right but I very much doubt it."

There’s an array of reasons why a mother may be born outside the uk but not be here because of the recent immigration levels. Indeed you may not even class them as foreign. The danger of your statistic is it fuels the idea population growth is being driven by imigrant children only, whereas a British Dad may feel their child has as much right to be included on the “British” side of the fence regardless of whether their mum is a Brit or not.

Interestingly, if the measure used the dads place of birth, not the mums, Boris’s kids would be in the 1 rather than the 3.

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over a year ago

"It was a very simple question that you've failed to even address.

1 why is it only the UK with an ageing population and not Poland or Thailand.

why is it only the West that have done policies that have drove down they're birthrates below 2 per couple for decades leading to an ageing population?.

Why in Britain have we drove a wedge down the family for decades only to then declare, goodness grief we are dependent on foreigners to look after our own parents.

Are you saying Poland doesn’t have an aging population? Nor Thailand ?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We also stand to limit UK citizens opportunities for earning from the EU, if the UK pursues a path that restricts EU citizens potential in the UK. It's a great opportunity for UK citizens to work or pursue business in the EU in future - and proximity for travel (perhaps even continued ease of travel) means CVs can become very rich, due to the massive and diverse opportunities that exist for UK citizens.

I think it's wise to pursue a differential between EU citizens immigration requirements and those of the rest of the world. This can help sustain opportunities for UK citizens in Europe.

The UK already has an ongoing invitation during the transition period for EU citizens to come and become new employees/residents of the UK - it needs to consider the benefits of not suddenly becoming closed when it could have a further ongoing transitional system that provides easier access for EU citizens compared to the rest of the world.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"It was a very simple question that you've failed to even address.

1 why is it only the UK with an ageing population and not Poland or Thailand.

why is it only the West that have done policies that have drove down they're birthrates below 2 per couple for decades leading to an ageing population?.

Why in Britain have we drove a wedge down the family for decades only to then declare, goodness grief we are dependent on foreigners to look after our own parents.

You'd have to provide the full research evidence on those points, so that they could be addressed.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"so you are now not allowing people in for the greater good of their countries... my my, magnamaous of you!!!

in which case, i never want to hear you complain when there are not enough nurses/doctors to treat you... or your family!!!

Surely if the pay went up, more people would want to get into that career. Then we wouldn't need to drain these people away from their home countries. "

you ever heard of an "out of work doctor" or nurse?

I think they do it because its a vocation... not because it pays well!!!

the problem is that about 1/8 of all NHS staff come from the EU and others.. and the MCA report again stated that the those who come from overseas are actually LESS likely use the NHS than the natives...

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"so you are now not allowing people in for the greater good of their countries... my my, magnamaous of you!!!

in which case, i never want to hear you complain when there are not enough nurses/doctors to treat you... or your family!!!

Surely if the pay went up, more people would want to get into that career. Then we wouldn't need to drain these people away from their home countries.

you ever heard of an "out of work doctor" or nurse?

I think they do it because its a vocation... not because it pays well!!!

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Fabio that used to be the case yrs ago but I’m afraid it’s just a career now sadly those days are long gone most start of wanting to change the world but soon as they get a mortgage it’s all about climbing that ladder I’m not blaming them tho it’s just the way of the world now

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

The food will rot in the fields lol.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"so you are now not allowing people in for the greater good of their countries... my my, magnamaous of you!!!

in which case, i never want to hear you complain when there are not enough nurses/doctors to treat you... or your family!!!

Surely if the pay went up, more people would want to get into that career. Then we wouldn't need to drain these people away from their home countries.

you ever heard of an "out of work doctor" or nurse?

I think they do it because its a vocation... not because it pays well!!!

Then i take my hat off to all those foreign NHS workers who wake up one morning, look at their family and friends in whatever country they live in and say "Well, fuck you lot! I feel the need, the need to go to the uk and care for them because they're too lazy to do it themselves! Hell yeah I'll take minimum wage to wipe Some British arses!" God bless 'em, every one!

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"It was a very simple question that you've failed to even address.

1 why is it only the UK with an ageing population and not Poland or Thailand.

why is it only the West that have done policies that have drove down they're birthrates below 2 per couple for decades leading to an ageing population?.

Why in Britain have we drove a wedge down the family for decades only to then declare, goodness grief we are dependent on foreigners to look after our own parents.

Are you saying Poland doesn’t have an aging population? Nor Thailand ?"

I think he's asking how come poland and Thailand isn't in desperate need of care workers to care for their elderly..

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over a year ago

"It was a very simple question that you've failed to even address.

1 why is it only the UK with an ageing population and not Poland or Thailand.

why is it only the West that have done policies that have drove down they're birthrates below 2 per couple for decades leading to an ageing population?.

Why in Britain have we drove a wedge down the family for decades only to then declare, goodness grief we are dependent on foreigners to look after our own parents.

Are you saying Poland doesn’t have an aging population? Nor Thailand ?

I think he's asking how come poland and Thailand isn't in desperate need of care workers to care for their elderly.."

Aha. I’m not sure the relevance here. By supporting our elderly, i at least mean fiscally, rather than physically. Eg pay the taxes to pay for state pensions etc.

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over a year ago

"It was a very simple question that you've failed to even address.

1 why is it only the UK with an ageing population and not Poland or Thailand.

why is it only the West that have done policies that have drove down they're birthrates below 2 per couple for decades leading to an ageing population?.

Why in Britain have we drove a wedge down the family for decades only to then declare, goodness grief we are dependent on foreigners to look after our own parents.

Are you saying Poland doesn’t have an aging population? Nor Thailand ?

I think he's asking how come poland and Thailand isn't in desperate need of care workers to care for their elderly..

Aha. I’m not sure the relevance here. By supporting our elderly, i at least mean fiscally, rather than physically. Eg pay the taxes to pay for state pensions etc. "

I thought he was on about having your parents living with you in a granny Annexe at the bottom of the garden rather in a care home that employed immigrants to wipe your arse .