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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery " I rarely agree with you but on this I do. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery " Yes I am all for one people one nation under one flag .One planet. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery I rarely agree with you but on this I do." Bloody hell, me too   | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery " Stuff that, my border is my front door with a protected area beyond. I choose who comes through it and am not going to abolish it. | |||
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"federation just watch out for the Klingons" Well deal with them once we get warp speed.First we need to unite humans under one flag as one people ..  | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery " No mate. We need to keep Britain British. Because the Muslims and the Islamist are trying to corrupt our laws with there Islamism. Islamites want to burn out women at the stake. We need a great wall to keep the Islamabams out. China has a big wall and they don't have Islamic issues | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery Stuff that, my border is my front door with a protected area beyond. I choose who comes through it and am not going to abolish it. " Yeah in reality it's not possible to abolish all borders. It's actually not possible to abolish some given human nature. It's a nice thought though. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery " Borders exist only in the imagination of human beings. They are used to control the masses. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No mate. We need to keep Britain British. Because the Muslims and the Islamist are trying to corrupt our laws with there Islamism. Islamites want to burn out women at the stake. We need a great wall to keep the Islamabams out. China has a big wall and they don't have Islamic issues" China has over 21 million muslims inside its borders and has detained hundreds of thousands in the western province for reeducation. That wall they built didn't work . The great mongol empire over ran it . | |||
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"It comes after it was a heated debate about it in sweden as it is election day today, that those arriving should do a series of tests, instead of it being handed to them, whats your view of it?" In the UK it is certainly not handed to you, £1000s and many forms and tests later to somebody with Oxbridge O and A levels and a degree from Brighton and we are still fighting for a visa let alone citizenship. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No mate. We need to keep Britain British. Because the Muslims and the Islamist are trying to corrupt our laws with there Islamism. Islamites want to burn out women at the stake. We need a great wall to keep the Islamabams out. China has a big wall and they don't have Islamic issues China has over 21 million muslims inside its borders and has detained hundreds of thousands in the western province for reeducation. That wall they built didn't work . The great mongol empire over ran it . "Are you saying my source in the EDL is unreliable? | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery I rarely agree with you but on this I do. Bloody hell, me too "And another one | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery Borders exist only in the imagination of human beings. They are used to control the masses." Yep. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery " No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery I rarely agree with you but on this I do. Bloody hell, me too
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"It comes after it was a heated debate about it in sweden as it is election day today, that those arriving should do a series of tests, instead of it being handed to them, whats your view of it?" In this country, they already do and that citizenship can be removed for criminals too. It's a good system. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery Borders exist only in the imagination of human beings. They are used to control the masses." Try and walk into North Korea and tell the guards there that the border is imaginary. See how far you get | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No mate. We need to keep Britain British. Because the Muslims and the Islamist are trying to corrupt our laws with there Islamism. Islamites want to burn out women at the stake. We need a great wall to keep the Islamabams out. China has a big wall and they don't have Islamic issues" Evidently, you've never been to Xinjiang | |||
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"China has over 21 million muslims inside its borders and has detained hundreds of thousands in the western province for reeducation. That wall they built didn't work . The great mongol empire over ran it . "They didn't over run the wall they went round it as it was open at both ends. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No mate. We need to keep Britain British. Because the Muslims and the Islamist are trying to corrupt our laws with there Islamism. Islamites want to burn out women at the stake. We need a great wall to keep the Islamabams out. China has a big wall and they don't have Islamic issues Evidently, you've never been to Xinjiang" (Some of the best food ever!!) | |||
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"It comes after it was a heated debate about it in sweden as it is election day today, that those arriving should do a series of tests, instead of it being handed to them, whats your view of it? In this country, they already do and that citizenship can be removed for criminals too. It's a good system. " Apart from the 6 year old boy that was made stateless. Which under international law is illegal. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No mate. We need to keep Britain British. Because the Muslims and the Islamist are trying to corrupt our laws with there Islamism. Islamites want to burn out women at the stake. We need a great wall to keep the Islamabams out. China has a big wall and they don't have Islamic issues" Did you know that if you're English you're probably an immigrant in this country too, who corrupted these lands as you put it, around 500AD The world will always evolve and yes there's times when I feel like putting the drawbridge up to protect my way of life, but it won't last forever; so best to be involved in the shaping if the future instead of fighting it? | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No mate. We need to keep Britain British. Because the Muslims and the Islamist are trying to corrupt our laws with there Islamism. Islamites want to burn out women at the stake. We need a great wall to keep the Islamabams out. China has a big wall and they don't have Islamic issues" I know you are joking but if I was to answer this I would say that, I’m glad you decided and made sure you were born to British parents, it would’ve been really hard for you if you hadn’t  | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. " Kant trumps both. | |||
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"It comes after it was a heated debate about it in sweden as it is election day today, that those arriving should do a series of tests, instead of it being handed to them, whats your view of it? In the UK it is certainly not handed to you, £1000s and many forms and tests later to somebody with Oxbridge O and A levels and a degree from Brighton and we are still fighting for a visa let alone citizenship. " Yes, that seems to be to hard of a system, they should make it easier than that. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. " For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. | |||
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"It comes after it was a heated debate about it in sweden as it is election day today, that those arriving should do a series of tests, instead of it being handed to them, whats your view of it? In the UK it is certainly not handed to you, £1000s and many forms and tests later to somebody with Oxbridge O and A levels and a degree from Brighton and we are still fighting for a visa let alone citizenship. Yes, that seems to be to hard of a system, they should make it easier than that." And then when they think you are old and from a Windrush generation they decide to revoke your citizenship and take your passport at the airport | |||
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"China has over 21 million muslims inside its borders and has detained hundreds of thousands in the western province for reeducation. That wall they built didn't work . The great mongol empire over ran it .
They didn't over run the wall they went round it as it was open at both ends. "Told them they should have used Polish builders, would have been finished in time | |||
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"China has over 21 million muslims inside its borders and has detained hundreds of thousands in the western province for reeducation. That wall they built didn't work . The great mongol empire over ran it .
They didn't over run the wall they went round it as it was open at both ends. "Sometimes they just bribed soldiers to open the gates and walk right through. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. " And yet. | |||
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"British are definately not British, we have been invaded or raided by the Romans, Saxons, Scandinavians, Vikings and Normans from as far back as the first century. " So what? Do you think there's no difference between a first generation immigrant and a 15th generation immigrant? | |||
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"British are definately not British, we have been invaded or raided by the Romans, Saxons, Scandinavians, Vikings and Normans from as far back as the first century. " Exactly, that's why I am very cautious who comes through my front door. It's my border and I decide who crosses it, or maybe die trying. 
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet." So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? | |||
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"British are definately not British, we have been invaded or raided by the Romans, Saxons, Scandinavians, Vikings and Normans from as far back as the first century. So what? Do you think there's no difference between a first generation immigrant and a 15th generation immigrant? " The way i read that was people like the EDL who think this is their country, should take a look at their own DNA as they might find the have DNA ties to some of the countries they are protecting this country from. | |||
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"British are definately not British, we have been invaded or raided by the Romans, Saxons, Scandinavians, Vikings and Normans from as far back as the first century. So what? Do you think there's no difference between a first generation immigrant and a 15th generation immigrant? The way i read that was people like the EDL who think this is their country, should take a look at their own DNA as they might find the have DNA ties to some of the countries they are protecting this country from."  | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No mate. We need to keep Britain British. Because the Muslims and the Islamist are trying to corrupt our laws with there Islamism. Islamites want to burn out women at the stake. We need a great wall to keep the Islamabams out. China has a big wall and they don't have Islamic issues I know you are joking but if I was to answer this I would say that, I’m glad you decided and made sure you were born to British parents, it would’ve been really hard for you if you hadn’t "Only my mother is British  | |||
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"Nationalism is bullshit. You're merely serving forced separatism based on Governmental control. Bring down the borders. " Given enough time global governance will occur . Global governance is arguably inevitable and necessary for the survival of the human race . | |||
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"Nationalism is bullshit. You're merely serving forced separatism based on Governmental control. Bring down the borders. Given enough time global governance will occur . Global governance is arguably inevitable and necessary for the survival of the human race ." So brexit is a waste of effort then | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery I rarely agree with you but on this I do." What do you disagree on with me?  hmm | |||
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"Can’t we just tweak the immigration and citizenship rules a little? Attractive single females only." I'd like to tweak it further to 'attractive single bisexual females only'... | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? " Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. | |||
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"Nationalism is bullshit. You're merely serving forced separatism based on Governmental control. Bring down the borders. Given enough time global governance will occur . Global governance is arguably inevitable and necessary for the survival of the human race . So brexit is a waste of effort then "One would think brextiers would have realised this by now lol it’s an absolute cluster fuck! | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question." We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? " I don’t know. Why? | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why?" I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery " This, like comunismn, is great in principle. Unfortunately for it to work we would also need irradicate poverty, abolish money and create complete equality for everyone at all levels. We're a long way from that. As things are at the moment, people will migrate from the poorest regions to the wealthiest... thus starving the nations of their resources. So the rich country gets poorer supporting a larger population and the poor country gets poorer as they've lost their brightest and strongest. Cal | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why? I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. "  oh I have missed your intellectual debate but someone is still missing  to form the intellectual trio. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why? I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. " I can’t answer justification to an opinion I didn’t posit just because you ask a question that thinking I did. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why? I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. I can’t answer justification to an opinion I didn’t posit just because you ask a question that thinking I did." 7th post on the thread | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why? I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. oh I have missed your intellectual debate but someone is still missing to form the intellectual trio. "It's like watching pre schoolers in a debate club after they've read a theosauras for an hour | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why? I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. I can’t answer justification to an opinion I didn’t posit just because you ask a question that thinking I did. 7th post on the thread "I’m aware of my post. Are you aware of the difference of your question? | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why? I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. oh I have missed your intellectual debate but someone is still missing to form the intellectual trio.
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why? I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. oh I have missed your intellectual debate but someone is still missing to form the intellectual trio.
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why? I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. oh I have missed your intellectual debate but someone is still missing to form the intellectual trio.
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"Can’t we just tweak the immigration and citizenship rules a little? Attractive single females only. I'd like to tweak it further to 'attractive single bisexual females only'... "Don't be daft, if they are bi they will take care of each other's needs... we need ultra straight women to outnumber us blokes and start sharing us. | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why? I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. oh I have missed your intellectual debate but someone is still missing to form the intellectual trio.
It's like watching pre schoolers in a debate club after they've read a theosauras for an hour
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No, it prevents the misery spreading everywhere. Hobbes vrs Rousseau. Kant trumps both. For the dreamers, he does. For those with a good grasp of history, we'll stick with Hobbes. And yet. So fundamentally, why do you think there are so many shithole countries full of people that would love to come here, if there were no borders? Not quite sure what you’re asking there, you’re asking about a current in the context of a non-current situation? Apologies, I don’t follow the actual question. We have borders in this country because they are a lot of people from failed states that would understandably like to come here, if there were no borders - which is what you'd like. Fundamentally, why do you think there are so many rubbish countries in existence from which people wish to flee? I don’t know. Why? I can't tell you why you think something. I'm asking your opinion. oh I have missed your intellectual debate but someone is still missing to form the intellectual trio.
It's like watching pre schoolers in a debate club after they've read a theosauras for an hour
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Clearly it was a joke. I'm guessing you didn't pick up on that
Jokes need logic to work. "And a sense of humour, clearly. Everyone else got it | |||
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"British are definately not British, we have been invaded or raided by the Romans, Saxons, Scandinavians, Vikings and Normans from as far back as the first century. " Go further back to a time when this land was not an island, when it was possible to walk across the North Sea through Doggerland, circa 8000BC, and you realise the history of the species is one of migration, from the early civilisations of the middle east, spreading out to colonise this cold and wet landscape. | |||
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It's like watching pre schoolers in a debate club after they've read a theosauras for an hour
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Clearly it was a joke. I'm guessing you didn't pick up on that
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It's like watching pre schoolers in a debate club after they've read a theosauras for an hour
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Clearly it was a joke. I'm guessing you didn't pick up on that
Jokes need logic to work.
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Yea, you need logic to make them work"I saw the first one you posted when you came back (I read after I realised who you were). It proved my argument all along. If you know the poster, then you know that they are joking. If you don't, then it gets taken seriously and people should cut the people who fall for it a little slack. | |||
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" If I say "piece of cake" to you, would you know not to take anything Jaffa says seriously? Sshhhh, he's trying to hit back at me. Just leave him and his delicate pride to it Welcome back by the way. Others have tried the jokey threads, but they don't quite work the same.
Yea, you need logic to make them work
I saw the first one you posted when you came back (I read after I realised who you were). It proved my argument all along. If you know the poster, then you know that they are joking. If you don't, then it gets taken seriously and people should cut the people who fall for it a little slack."No they shouldn't. A joke is a joke no matter who it comes from. It's always the same on here where people mob new posters no matter what they put | |||
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"My view is that we should abolish borders because anywhere you draw a line, it causes misery No mate. We need to keep Britain British. Because the Muslims and the Islamist are trying to corrupt our laws with there Islamism. Islamites want to burn out women at the stake. We need a great wall to keep the Islamabams out. China has a big wall and they don't have Islamic issues" Get up in the morning, slaving for bread, sir So that every mouth can be fed Poooooooor me Islamites | |||
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" If I say "piece of cake" to you, would you know not to take anything Jaffa says seriously? Sshhhh, he's trying to hit back at me. Just leave him and his delicate pride to it Welcome back by the way. Others have tried the jokey threads, but they don't quite work the same.
Yea, you need logic to make them work
I saw the first one you posted when you came back (I read after I realised who you were). It proved my argument all along. If you know the poster, then you know that they are joking. If you don't, then it gets taken seriously and people should cut the people who fall for it a little slack.
No they shouldn't. A joke is a joke no matter who it comes from. It's always the same on here where people mob new posters no matter what they put"Agree to disagree? | |||
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" If I say "piece of cake" to you, would you know not to take anything Jaffa says seriously? Sshhhh, he's trying to hit back at me. Just leave him and his delicate pride to it Welcome back by the way. Others have tried the jokey threads, but they don't quite work the same.
Yea, you need logic to make them work
I saw the first one you posted when you came back (I read after I realised who you were). It proved my argument all along. If you know the poster, then you know that they are joking. If you don't, then it gets taken seriously and people should cut the people who fall for it a little slack.
No they shouldn't. A joke is a joke no matter who it comes from. It's always the same on here where people mob new posters no matter what they put
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" If I say "piece of cake" to you, would you know not to take anything Jaffa says seriously? Sshhhh, he's trying to hit back at me. Just leave him and his delicate pride to it Welcome back by the way. Others have tried the jokey threads, but they don't quite work the same.
Yea, you need logic to make them work
I saw the first one you posted when you came back (I read after I realised who you were). It proved my argument all along. If you know the poster, then you know that they are joking. If you don't, then it gets taken seriously and people should cut the people who fall for it a little slack.
No they shouldn't. A joke is a joke no matter who it comes from. It's always the same on here where people mob new posters no matter what they put
Agree to disagree?
I'm cool with that "I just had a thought, you know I meant giving others slack in your threads, not necessarily in this one? | |||
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" If I say "piece of cake" to you, would you know not to take anything Jaffa says seriously? Sshhhh, he's trying to hit back at me. Just leave him and his delicate pride to it Welcome back by the way. Others have tried the jokey threads, but they don't quite work the same.
Yea, you need logic to make them work
I saw the first one you posted when you came back (I read after I realised who you were). It proved my argument all along. If you know the poster, then you know that they are joking. If you don't, then it gets taken seriously and people should cut the people who fall for it a little slack.
No they shouldn't. A joke is a joke no matter who it comes from. It's always the same on here where people mob new posters no matter what they put
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I'm cool with that
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"British are definately not British, we have been invaded or raided by the Romans, Saxons, Scandinavians, Vikings and Normans from as far back as the first century. " | |||
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"What makes a person British or any other nationality? My best friend as born in Jamaica and came to England in 1964, aged 6. His application for British citizenship was rejected a few years ago. In his younger days he was a professional boxer and the country was happy for him to represent us at his sport but they wouldn't grant him citizenship when he applied later on. He is now trying again under the windrush scheme. If you've lived in a country for over 50 years and represented them in a sporting capacity does that make you a citizen or should you always be considered an immigrant?" Look at the Ghurka's they were good enough to fight for Britian as part of our army,but they were not good enough to be a citizen. | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from." What should we do with people that were born here but refuse to sing the national anthem? | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from." Define what ever they want? What if your an atheist can you pledge allegiance and swear on Sir Issac newtons principia Mathematica or some other righteous book? At all costs sounds like we are going to war? | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from." Actually we only have the Atlantic Ocean on the west, the others are the North Sea, English channel and the Irish Sea! Thank god your not the captain navigating | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from. What should we do with people that were born here but refuse to sing the national anthem? " If we had a republican anthem there wouldn't be an issue! | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from. What should we do with people that were born here but refuse to sing the national anthem? If we had a republican anthem there wouldn't be an issue! " We aren't a republic though. We are a monarchy. | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from. What should we do with people that were born here but refuse to sing the national anthem? If we had a republican anthem there wouldn't be an issue! We aren't a republic though. We are a monarchy." Exactly, why can't the people who want a republic go live in the many republic countries that already exist. Oh that's right, because they don't like those either. | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from." What about those that don’t want to ‘leach’ but come to contribute? Or that just, you know, want to live their life without your xenophobic crap? -Matt | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from. What about those that don’t want to ‘leach’ but come to contribute? Or that just, you know, want to live their life without your xenophobic crap? -Matt" Maybe we can find a country that will do a swap? Like we call up nicaragua and say "hey, we'll trade 5 antifa members for 1 Nicaraguan entrapreneur". | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from. What should we do with people that were born here but refuse to sing the national anthem? If we had a republican anthem there wouldn't be an issue! We aren't a republic though. We are a monarchy. Exactly, why can't the people who want a republic go live in the many republic countries that already exist. Oh that's right, because they don't like those either. " That isn't what I meant. As far as I'm concerned if you don't want to sing the National Anthem because you are a republican, then don't. It's not actually hurting anyone. | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from. What should we do with people that were born here but refuse to sing the national anthem? If we had a republican anthem there wouldn't be an issue! We aren't a republic though. We are a monarchy. Exactly, why can't the people who want a republic go live in the many republic countries that already exist. Oh that's right, because they don't like those either. That isn't what I meant. As far as I'm concerned if you don't want to sing the National Anthem because you are a republican, then don't. It's not actually hurting anyone." It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from. What should we do with people that were born here but refuse to sing the national anthem? If we had a republican anthem there wouldn't be an issue! We aren't a republic though. We are a monarchy. Exactly, why can't the people who want a republic go live in the many republic countries that already exist. Oh that's right, because they don't like those either. That isn't what I meant. As far as I'm concerned if you don't want to sing the National Anthem because you are a republican, then don't. It's not actually hurting anyone. It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. " According to your many posts, democracy only works as long as we all agree with you. | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from. What should we do with people that were born here but refuse to sing the national anthem? If we had a republican anthem there wouldn't be an issue! We aren't a republic though. We are a monarchy. Exactly, why can't the people who want a republic go live in the many republic countries that already exist. Oh that's right, because they don't like those either. That isn't what I meant. As far as I'm concerned if you don't want to sing the National Anthem because you are a republican, then don't. It's not actually hurting anyone. It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. According to your many posts, democracy only works as long as we all agree with you."
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from. What should we do with people that were born here but refuse to sing the national anthem? If we had a republican anthem there wouldn't be an issue! We aren't a republic though. We are a monarchy. Exactly, why can't the people who want a republic go live in the many republic countries that already exist. Oh that's right, because they don't like those either. That isn't what I meant. As far as I'm concerned if you don't want to sing the National Anthem because you are a republican, then don't. It's not actually hurting anyone. It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. According to your many posts, democracy only works as long as we all agree with you.
I'm one of the few people on the forums who can actually point out good and bad on many different points of the political spectrum. The people who hold the view you have, are normally on the extreme that has no real value. "And what is the view I have? | |||
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"It comes after it was a heated debate about it in sweden as it is election day today, that those arriving should do a series of tests, instead of it being handed to them, whats your view of it?" Yes citizenship should be earned not given to refugees etc,citizenship should only be given to those born in the country,this should be a rule for every country.No such thing as dual nationality unless you earn it in another country | |||
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"It comes after it was a heated debate about it in sweden as it is election day today, that those arriving should do a series of tests, instead of it being handed to them, whats your view of it?Yes citizenship should be earned not given to refugees etc,citizenship should only be given to those born in the country,this should be a rule for every country.No such thing as dual nationality unless you earn it in another country" Ok, so I'm going to give an example here... My mother was born in what's now Israel to a British father and an Italian mother. What nationality should she have? | |||
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"It comes after it was a heated debate about it in sweden as it is election day today, that those arriving should do a series of tests, instead of it being handed to them, whats your view of it?Yes citizenship should be earned not given to refugees etc,citizenship should only be given to those born in the country,this should be a rule for every country.No such thing as dual nationality unless you earn it in another country Ok, so I'm going to give an example here... My mother was born in what's now Israel to a British father and an Italian mother. What nationality should she have?" Israeli, British and Italian. But that's an opinion, no idea on reality. | |||
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"It comes after it was a heated debate about it in sweden as it is election day today, that those arriving should do a series of tests, instead of it being handed to them, whats your view of it?Yes citizenship should be earned not given to refugees etc,citizenship should only be given to those born in the country,this should be a rule for every country.No such thing as dual nationality unless you earn it in another country" Why? I was born in Singapore to British parents who were out there working at the time. I am British. My wife was born in Germany to British parents who were out there serving in the military. She is British. Under your rules I would be Singaporean and her German. Why should that be the case, just because that was where our parents happened to be at the time? -Matt | |||
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"It comes after it was a heated debate about it in sweden as it is election day today, that those arriving should do a series of tests, instead of it being handed to them, whats your view of it?Yes citizenship should be earned not given to refugees etc,citizenship should only be given to those born in the country,this should be a rule for every country.No such thing as dual nationality unless you earn it in another country Ok, so I'm going to give an example here... My mother was born in what's now Israel to a British father and an Italian mother. What nationality should she have?Israeli, British and Italian. But that's an opinion, no idea on reality. " My point was, it's not as simple as just having the nationality of where you are born. There are many reasons why people are born in a different country to their nationality. | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica .. "Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen. | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen. "Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they? | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?"I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before. | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before. "I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian. | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian."You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment. | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment. "No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all. | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all."Well that's your excuse gone then | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all."it was obvious by your wording you were refering to palastine Broken must be bored to troll like this . | |||
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"Our border is the surrounding oceans that separate us from all other countries. We should defend this border at all costs. Nobody should be allowed to just come here and do what they want. There should be stronger security at all our ports and airports. Those who are allowed in should be made to swear allegiance to the UK, on whatever their holy book is. Those who don’t like it should find some other nation to leach from. What about those that don’t want to ‘leach’ but come to contribute? Or that just, you know, want to live their life without your xenophobic crap? -Matt" I'm sure they wake up in whatever country they happen to be living in and think "What the fuck am i doing here with all my employable skills!? I need to get to Britain to help out their economy!" | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all. it was obvious by your wording you were refering to palastine Broken must be bored to troll like this . "I did notice he didn't take me up on my offer to tell me what my views are (earlier in the thread). | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all. it was obvious by your wording you were refering to palastine Broken must be bored to troll like this .
I did notice he didn't take me up on my offer to tell me what my views are (earlier in the thread)."Because I don't keep a log of everything you say and franky you aren't as fun to engage with as Bobbangs, who I do have a file on. If you put a bit more effort and objectivity into your criticisms then maybe you'll have a file one day too. | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all. it was obvious by your wording you were refering to palastine Broken must be bored to troll like this . "I confess to your accusation. Complete dearth of interesting threads on the forums today. Must be a festival on or something. | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all. it was obvious by your wording you were refering to palastine Broken must be bored to troll like this .
I did notice he didn't take me up on my offer to tell me what my views are (earlier in the thread).
Because I don't keep a log of everything you say and franky you aren't as fun to engage with as Bobbangs, who I do have a file on. If you put a bit more effort and objectivity into your criticisms then maybe you'll have a file one day too. "A file ? What am I my filed under. "Mostly harmless tree hugger " Or "Antifa Marxist terrorist" | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all. it was obvious by your wording you were refering to palastine Broken must be bored to troll like this .
I did notice he didn't take me up on my offer to tell me what my views are (earlier in the thread).
Because I don't keep a log of everything you say and franky you aren't as fun to engage with as Bobbangs, who I do have a file on. If you put a bit more effort and objectivity into your criticisms then maybe you'll have a file one day too.
A file ?
What am I my filed under.
"Mostly harmless tree hugger "
Or "Antifa Marxist terrorist"
"Good intentions, bad ideas to execute them. Might provide me with a proletariat reference and save my skin, come the revolution. You're not anywhere near antifa levels of bad. I'm pretty sure you have an baby moma who is black which gives you +30% approval, right off the bat. | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all. it was obvious by your wording you were refering to palastine Broken must be bored to troll like this .
I did notice he didn't take me up on my offer to tell me what my views are (earlier in the thread).
Because I don't keep a log of everything you say and franky you aren't as fun to engage with as Bobbangs, who I do have a file on. If you put a bit more effort and objectivity into your criticisms then maybe you'll have a file one day too. "You stated earlier in the thread "The people who hold the view you have, are normally on the extreme that has no real value" You've obviously taken enough notice to write that statement, so care to share? | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all. it was obvious by your wording you were refering to palastine Broken must be bored to troll like this .
I did notice he didn't take me up on my offer to tell me what my views are (earlier in the thread).
Because I don't keep a log of everything you say and franky you aren't as fun to engage with as Bobbangs, who I do have a file on. If you put a bit more effort and objectivity into your criticisms then maybe you'll have a file one day too.
A file ?
What am I my filed under.
"Mostly harmless tree hugger "
Or "Antifa Marxist terrorist"
Good intentions, bad ideas to execute them. Might provide me with a proletariat reference and save my skin, come the revolution. You're not anywhere near antifa levels of bad. I'm pretty sure you have an baby moma who is black which gives you +30% approval, right off the bat. "Accurate enough .Just replace bad ideas with awesome ideas and your next of kin won't get sent the bill for the bullet come the revolution and we will add you to the collective . | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all. it was obvious by your wording you were refering to palastine Broken must be bored to troll like this .
I did notice he didn't take me up on my offer to tell me what my views are (earlier in the thread).
Because I don't keep a log of everything you say and franky you aren't as fun to engage with as Bobbangs, who I do have a file on. If you put a bit more effort and objectivity into your criticisms then maybe you'll have a file one day too.
You stated earlier in the thread "The people who hold the view you have, are normally on the extreme that has no real value"
You've obviously taken enough notice to write that statement, so care to share?"I am curious about these extreme views .Come on broken you did say you were bored and you do have some extreme views yourself. | |||
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"Nationalism is bullshit. You're merely serving forced separatism based on Governmental control. Bring down the borders. Given enough time global governance will occur . Global governance is arguably inevitable and necessary for the survival of the human race ." They prey on gullible types like you Musk for President of the World eh | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. " It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...)" Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. | |||
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"This multicultural planet we live on is a beautiful thing . German ,Jamaican ,Cornish ,English and Jewish ancestry here .Where should we live .. Please let it be Jamaica ..
Two of those aren't nationalities. I bet your Jamacian claims are small so really you have blood that is 90% the same as our beloved Queen.
Jokes really are lost on you, aren't they?
I'm really not surprised you have Israeli blood. I like you 15% more now. I don't know why i didn't see it before.
I don't have any Israeli blood. I have British and Italian.
You said your mother was Israeli. Take the compliment.
No, I said she was born in what is now Israel (it was Palestine when she was born). No Israeli blood in her (or me) at all. it was obvious by your wording you were refering to palastine Broken must be bored to troll like this .
I did notice he didn't take me up on my offer to tell me what my views are (earlier in the thread).
Because I don't keep a log of everything you say and franky you aren't as fun to engage with as Bobbangs, who I do have a file on. If you put a bit more effort and objectivity into your criticisms then maybe you'll have a file one day too.
You stated earlier in the thread "The people who hold the view you have, are normally on the extreme that has no real value"
You've obviously taken enough notice to write that statement, so care to share? I am curious about these extreme views .Come on broken you did say you were bored and you do have some extreme views yourself. "Ignored again. Maybe he's realised that I don't have any extreme views after all! | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. " The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too." Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. " So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation?" NIGE!! | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation?" It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. " Ok then, what type of person (political leanings/views) would YOU like to see. What do you think would make this country better (in your eyes). | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. Ok then, what type of person (political leanings/views) would YOU like to see. What do you think would make this country better (in your eyes)." To me, the following are non-negotiable British values and anyone who doesn't like them should be deported whether they were born here or not: - belief in secular, politically independent law - belief in free speech and free press - belief in the existing democratic process as the way or resolving political debates - belief in the right of individuals to own private property | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. " Yeah but something like British Values is impossible to define in a large diverse country. | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. Yeah but something like British Values is impossible to define in a large diverse country. " Which of the four i posted above do you find contraversial? | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. Ok then, what type of person (political leanings/views) would YOU like to see. What do you think would make this country better (in your eyes). To me, the following are non-negotiable British values and anyone who doesn't like them should be deported whether they were born here or not: - belief in secular, politically independent law - belief in free speech and free press - belief in the existing democratic process as the way or resolving political debates - belief in the right of individuals to own private property " Believe in the democratic process...are you taking the piss? It's a sham model that doesn't work and promotes fringe theories and scruppleless "leaders" and has been totally assfucked by social media. The voting plebs don't know what to think anymore in the age of distraction, misinformation and ideological bubbles and in any case it's mostly an illusion of agency. | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. Yeah but something like British Values is impossible to define in a large diverse country. Which of the four i posted above do you find contraversial? " None really...except the democracy is a broken decision making process. My point is how do you define values that people agree on? Is there a cultural element? A love of fish and chips and baked beans on toast? | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. Yeah but something like British Values is impossible to define in a large diverse country. Which of the four i posted above do you find contraversial? None really...except the democracy is a broken decision making process. My point is how do you define values that people agree on? Is there a cultural element? A love of fish and chips and baked beans on toast?" But that's my point, democracy doesn't just work under any circumstances. You can see many countries where it fails/failed. Fundamentally it can only work without a spectrum of shared values. I've given 4, none of which you disagree with. The people that do disagree with one or more can only drag our country down since a compromise with them, would, by definition, compromise our values. | |||
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"To me, the following are non-negotiable British values and anyone who doesn't like them should be deported whether they were born here or not: - belief in secular, politically independent law - belief in free speech and free press - belief in the existing democratic process as the way or resolving political debates - belief in the right of individuals to own private property " The trouble with making things like this non negotiable is that they exclude people who may be perfectly legitimately questioning them and, as far as I'm concerned, questioning things is probably one of the most sacred of all things about our cultural heritage. I love the fact that Marx wrote the communist manifesto in the UK. I'm proud of us for being the global seat of innovative thinking. It doesn't bother me that some of this thinking has been terrible. This is because I think another important part of western culture is having the faith that the best ideas will prevail in the end... and to have the courage to sit back and let that happen. That's why no platforming is just as much a problem for our cultural legacy as platforming hate speach imo | |||
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"To me, the following are non-negotiable British values and anyone who doesn't like them should be deported whether they were born here or not: - belief in secular, politically independent law - belief in free speech and free press - belief in the existing democratic process as the way or resolving political debates - belief in the right of individuals to own private property The trouble with making things like this non negotiable is that they exclude people who may be perfectly legitimately questioning them and, as far as I'm concerned, questioning things is probably one of the most sacred of all things about our cultural heritage. I love the fact that Marx wrote the communist manifesto in the UK. I'm proud of us for being the global seat of innovative thinking. It doesn't bother me that some of this thinking has been terrible. This is because I think another important part of western culture is having the faith that the best ideas will prevail in the end... and to have the courage to sit back and let that happen. That's why no platforming is just as much a problem for our cultural legacy as platforming hate speach imo " Marx wasn't innovative, he was a parasite dragging up old ideas. Go research the peasants revolt of 1381 if you think he was saying any new ideas. Furthermore, there is not a single country that has come remotely close to our living standards, after embracing those ideas. Western culture does not believe the best ideas will prevail, in fact other countries in the West write constitutions to ensure radical ideas can't overtake sensible ones. | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. Yeah but something like British Values is impossible to define in a large diverse country. Which of the four i posted above do you find contraversial? None really...except the democracy is a broken decision making process. My point is how do you define values that people agree on? Is there a cultural element? A love of fish and chips and baked beans on toast?" That would me deported then - I'm a veggie and can't stand baked beans. I'd love to know where I'd be deported to though, especially as I'm a British citizen with no right to any other nationality. | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. Ok then, what type of person (political leanings/views) would YOU like to see. What do you think would make this country better (in your eyes). To me, the following are non-negotiable British values and anyone who doesn't like them should be deported whether they were born here or not: - belief in secular, politically independent law - belief in free speech and free press - belief in the existing democratic process as the way or resolving political debates - belief in the right of individuals to own private property " Which is what every single party that people can vote for in this country is looking for. But apparently they are all weak | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. Ok then, what type of person (political leanings/views) would YOU like to see. What do you think would make this country better (in your eyes). To me, the following are non-negotiable British values and anyone who doesn't like them should be deported whether they were born here or not: - belief in secular, politically independent law - belief in free speech and free press - belief in the existing democratic process as the way or resolving political debates - belief in the right of individuals to own private property Which is what every single party that people can vote for in this country is looking for. But apparently they are all weak "By definition, anyone who self identifies as a marxist does not believe in the last one. | |||
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" It is though. Democracy doesn't work without shared values. It just degenerates into tribalism. It already has: Brexiteer/remoaner Pro or anti trump Gender wars "People of colour" vs. the world etc. Everyone has found their internet tribe (or maybe it found them...) Because we have a succession of wimpish leaders who are scared to say "this is what British values are and you can fuck off if you don't like them". I don't think Brexit really crosses any value boundaries, that's just an implementation question. Trump, more so. Gender definately does. The problem with “British Values” is that we all have a different idea of that these would be. And plenty of people wouldn’t want people to “fuck off” for not agreeing to all the values. I see trends in the Brexit divide. Often based on values of what’s important to people on either side. Not exclusively, there are also plenty of direct disagreements too. Agree but that's because our leaders pussy foot around the debate because they don't want to offend a voter. It's a debate and a proclamation we sorely need to have in my opinion. Kings have been deposed over such issues. So who would you like to see as the leader of our great Nation? It's not about who. It's about defining what Britain is and then having choices that at least fit in that spectrum. Ok then, what type of person (political leanings/views) would YOU like to see. What do you think would make this country better (in your eyes). To me, the following are non-negotiable British values and anyone who doesn't like them should be deported whether they were born here or not: - belief in secular, politically independent law - belief in free speech and free press - belief in the existing democratic process as the way or resolving political debates - belief in the right of individuals to own private property Which is what every single party that people can vote for in this country is looking for. But apparently they are all weak
By definition, anyone who self identifies as a marxist does not believe in the last one. "There are more people who believe the earth is flat than believe all property is theft.Marxists are irrelevant in British politics . | |||
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By definition, anyone who self identifies as a marxist does not believe in the last one. "No party defines itself as having Marxist values. | |||
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By definition, anyone who self identifies as a marxist does not believe in the last one.
There are more people who believe the earth is flat than believe all property is theft.Marxists are irrelevant in British politics .
"The shadow chancellor is a marxist. Literally on camera saying "I am a marxist". His colleagues like Mr Corbyn refuse to answer the question. Can't imagine any Tories giving a long winded answer to "are you a facist"? | |||
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"He mighty talk about the influence Marx has had on the Labour Party but the Labour Party is socialist in it values ,Christianity is socialism .I don't hear people screaming communist at Christians.Is moggy a socialist he's always banging on about Christian beliefs and values .I wonder would Jesus vote for corbyn or mogg "Nice try. He didn't say "im inspired by marx", he said "I am a marxist". It's hard to imagine a marxist getting appointed to shadow chancellor by someone who doesn't share his views and does not deny being a Marxist. Especially when he used to date a woman who said that "mao did more good than harm" and made her shadow home secretary. So there's your extreme politics right there. | |||
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By definition, anyone who self identifies as a marxist does not believe in the last one. "The respect of private property is not a core value of the West. Whilst the majority of hard working families have, over generations, struggled to make ends meet legitimately, it is abundantly clear that a great many of the nations richest families got rich precisely through scamming or stealing or extorting their wealth off others. This isn't ancient history in the slightest. Throughout the 20th century it has continued unabated, with many people getting unfathomably wealthy off plundering natural resources and stealing human labour from vulnerable people elsewhere on the planet. Heck that's why half the nation states were set up on the planet; so we could institute and empower a select group of corrupt locals who were happy to feign to be able to talk for their "nation" in negotiating twisted trade deals with us. The rich have no respect for private property. That's merely a drawbridge they want to pull up behind them to protect them from being swindled in the same way they did others (warning! this party political broadcast does not pertain to all rich people ) | |||
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"To me, the following are non-negotiable British values and anyone who doesn't like them should be deported whether they were born here or not: - belief in secular, politically independent law - belief in free speech and free press - belief in the existing democratic process as the way or resolving political debates - belief in the right of individuals to own private property Which is what every single party that people can vote for in this country is looking for. But apparently they are all weak
By definition, anyone who self identifies as a marxist does not believe in the last one.
The respect of private property is not a core value of the West. Whilst the majority of hard working families have, over generations, struggled to make ends meet legitimately, it is abundantly clear that a great many of the nations richest families got rich precisely through scamming or stealing or extorting their wealth off others. This isn't ancient history in the slightest. Throughout the 20th century it has continued unabated, with many people getting unfathomably wealthy off plundering natural resources and stealing human labour from vulnerable people elsewhere on the planet. Heck that's why half the nation states were set up on the planet; so we could institute and empower a select group of corrupt locals who were happy to feign to be able to talk for their "nation" in negotiating twisted trade deals with us.
The rich have no respect for private property. That's merely a drawbridge they want to pull up behind them to protect them from being swindled in the same way they did others
(warning! this party political broadcast does not pertain to all rich people) "The vast majority of the rights you enjoy today, came from nobels who got sick of Kings arbitrarily seizing their property. It is definately a backbone of the West, would you have rather been on the other side of the iron curtain? | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ... "But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement. | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement. "Your intolerance isn't very British | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement. "So a belief in freedom of speech as you stated above only goes out to those you agree with .The extreme right and left are to be silenced ? | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement.
So a belief in freedom of speech as you stated above only goes out to those you agree with .The extreme right and left are to be silenced ?"Can't just pick and choose to have one and not the other I'm afraid, otherwise it's just tribes hijacking democracy to take turns in abusing each other. | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement.
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement.
So a belief in freedom of speech as you stated above only goes out to those you agree with .The extreme right and left are to be silenced ?
Can't just pick and choose to have one and not the other I'm afraid, otherwise it's just tribes hijacking democracy to take turns in abusing each other. "You do know that one of the core principles you stated for being British was freedom of speech. That means that people who you don't like or agree with can have a say. Everyone can take the government to task - that's why even if you didn't vote for your local MP (you voted for a different candidate) they will still see you and listen to your views. | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement.
So a belief in freedom of speech as you stated above only goes out to those you agree with .The extreme right and left are to be silenced ?
Can't just pick and choose to have one and not the other I'm afraid, otherwise it's just tribes hijacking democracy to take turns in abusing each other.
You do know that one of the core principles you stated for being British was freedom of speech.
That means that people who you don't like or agree with can have a say. Everyone can take the government to task - that's why even if you didn't vote for your local MP (you voted for a different candidate) they will still see you and listen to your views."You literally quoted my response to that point! Your point is no different to saying "Well Hitler was democratically elected so don't you believe in democracy". So i repeat, it has to be all the values in combination. | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement.
So a belief in freedom of speech as you stated above only goes out to those you agree with .The extreme right and left are to be silenced ?
Can't just pick and choose to have one and not the other I'm afraid, otherwise it's just tribes hijacking democracy to take turns in abusing each other.
You do know that one of the core principles you stated for being British was freedom of speech.
That means that people who you don't like or agree with can have a say. Everyone can take the government to task - that's why even if you didn't vote for your local MP (you voted for a different candidate) they will still see you and listen to your views.
You literally quoted my response to that point! Your point is no different to saying "Well Hitler was democratically elected so don't you believe in democracy". So i repeat, it has to be all the values in combination. "You are denying the right to free speech because you don't agree with it. If you agree in free speech, then you have to allow the far right and extreme left a voice. Otherwise it's not free speech. | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement.
So a belief in freedom of speech as you stated above only goes out to those you agree with .The extreme right and left are to be silenced ?
Can't just pick and choose to have one and not the other I'm afraid, otherwise it's just tribes hijacking democracy to take turns in abusing each other.
You do know that one of the core principles you stated for being British was freedom of speech.
That means that people who you don't like or agree with can have a say. Everyone can take the government to task - that's why even if you didn't vote for your local MP (you voted for a different candidate) they will still see you and listen to your views.
You literally quoted my response to that point! Your point is no different to saying "Well Hitler was democratically elected so don't you believe in democracy". So i repeat, it has to be all the values in combination.
You are denying the right to free speech because you don't agree with it. If you agree in free speech, then you have to allow the far right and extreme left a voice. Otherwise it's not free speech."Another person who doesn't understand what free speech is. No offence but you either can't or won't understand my points. Either way, it's tedious. | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement.
So a belief in freedom of speech as you stated above only goes out to those you agree with .The extreme right and left are to be silenced ?
Can't just pick and choose to have one and not the other I'm afraid, otherwise it's just tribes hijacking democracy to take turns in abusing each other.
You do know that one of the core principles you stated for being British was freedom of speech.
That means that people who you don't like or agree with can have a say. Everyone can take the government to task - that's why even if you didn't vote for your local MP (you voted for a different candidate) they will still see you and listen to your views.
You literally quoted my response to that point! Your point is no different to saying "Well Hitler was democratically elected so don't you believe in democracy". So i repeat, it has to be all the values in combination.
You are denying the right to free speech because you don't agree with it. If you agree in free speech, then you have to allow the far right and extreme left a voice. Otherwise it's not free speech."This is a new spin on the term political correctness from broken.The correct politics will be decided by who .? We can omit the left and the right because of their bias .The public wouldn't know where to start.-So what's left the judiciary ? | |||
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"To me, the following are non-negotiable British values and anyone who doesn't like them should be deported whether they were born here or not: - belief in secular, politically independent law - belief in free speech and free press - belief in the existing democratic process as the way or resolving political debates - belief in the right of individuals to own private property The trouble with making things like this non negotiable is that they exclude people who may be perfectly legitimately questioning them and, as far as I'm concerned, questioning things is probably one of the most sacred of all things about our cultural heritage. I love the fact that Marx wrote the communist manifesto in the UK. I'm proud of us for being the global seat of innovative thinking. It doesn't bother me that some of this thinking has been terrible. This is because I think another important part of western culture is having the faith that the best ideas will prevail in the end... and to have the courage to sit back and let that happen. That's why no platforming is just as much a problem for our cultural legacy as platforming hate speach imo Marx wasn't innovative, he was a parasite dragging up old ideas. Go research the peasants revolt of 1381 if you think he was saying any new ideas. Furthermore, there is not a single country that has come remotely close to our living standards, after embracing those ideas. Western culture does not believe the best ideas will prevail, in fact other countries in the West write constitutions to ensure radical ideas can't overtake sensible ones. " Yet democracy + social media = radical change if recent history is not to be ignored. | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement.
So a belief in freedom of speech as you stated above only goes out to those you agree with .The extreme right and left are to be silenced ?
Can't just pick and choose to have one and not the other I'm afraid, otherwise it's just tribes hijacking democracy to take turns in abusing each other.
You do know that one of the core principles you stated for being British was freedom of speech.
That means that people who you don't like or agree with can have a say. Everyone can take the government to task - that's why even if you didn't vote for your local MP (you voted for a different candidate) they will still see you and listen to your views.
You literally quoted my response to that point! Your point is no different to saying "Well Hitler was democratically elected so don't you believe in democracy". So i repeat, it has to be all the values in combination.
You are denying the right to free speech because you don't agree with it. If you agree in free speech, then you have to allow the far right and extreme left a voice. Otherwise it's not free speech.
Another person who doesn't understand what free speech is. No offence but you either can't or won't understand my points. Either way, it's tedious. "I think I have a better grasp on what free speech is than you. If you deny free speech from the extremes, you are basically saying that communism is right in banning free speech. | |||
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"There will always be a few Marxist in the Labour Party.Its doesn't seem to affect people voting for them.Same for the Tories they have extreme right wingers,people don't assume they are going to get the extreme right when they vote Tory and if your guilty for your girlfriends political views I'd get the electric chair ...
But I want to deport those extreme right wingers just as much as the extreme left. Have you ever read Hitler's views on private property and capitalism? If we can't deport them, can we at least get a constitution so their views become illegal to implement.
So a belief in freedom of speech as you stated above only goes out to those you agree with .The extreme right and left are to be silenced ?
Can't just pick and choose to have one and not the other I'm afraid, otherwise it's just tribes hijacking democracy to take turns in abusing each other.
You do know that one of the core principles you stated for being British was freedom of speech.
That means that people who you don't like or agree with can have a say. Everyone can take the government to task - that's why even if you didn't vote for your local MP (you voted for a different candidate) they will still see you and listen to your views.
You literally quoted my response to that point! Your point is no different to saying "Well Hitler was democratically elected so don't you believe in democracy". So i repeat, it has to be all the values in combination.
You are denying the right to free speech because you don't agree with it. If you agree in free speech, then you have to allow the far right and extreme left a voice. Otherwise it's not free speech.
This is a new spin on the term political correctness from broken.The correct politics will be decided by who .?
We can omit the left and the right because of their bias .The public wouldn't know where to start.-So what's left the judiciary ?
"Pause British history at any point over the last few thousand years and you'd find a landed status quo arguing that radical extremist elements should be routed out and silenced. Thankfully they didn't win then and we're here now. I'm not entirely convinced today's radicals offer us all the better tomorrow of yesterday's. But the principle still stands. Let them talk and may the best ideas win | |||
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