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"Its all down to the comprehensive system, drag everyone down to the same level instead of encouraging people to prosper in the are they are best at, that could be in academic subjects or in practical skills, perhaps its part of the reason we have so many foreign workers the british kids have been told they are above picking veg and looking after old people, strangely enough in the real world feeding the population and looking after the old and sick are FAR more important than sitting in an office pushing bits of paper about" 
I learned calculus a part of the O level maths syllabus being first introduced to the discipline in the second year in secondary school (was in an Irish boarding school at the time). Now it is introduced at A level to students and is not really covered until first year uni. Considering that it is required not only for maths but for all the physical sciences. Therefore I have to conclude that (at least in maths and sciences) our present educational standard is at least 3 if not 4 years behind where it was in the early to mid 70's.
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"A couple of my children are at uni, and both doing really well in difficult subjects. When my daughter was doing her A Levels she would ask me to help her revise, it used to send my head spinning. So no, I don’t think education system is failing in the UK. I hated teachers when I was a kid, but I pity them now. Bad parenting has led to unruly children disrupting classrooms. So it is not the schools that are at fault, but the parents of the little brats who attend them." | |||
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"No, no, no! They've all had an amazing education, and are so much more knowledgeable than older generations.... And the research of 750,000 people over the last 45 years that shows IQs falling by 7 - 10 points per generation is all baloney. " A ‘massive’ 18-point (1.2s) increase in scores (from 1950 to 1980) has been reported on culture-reduced tests of IQ in fourteen of the world’s advanced economies. Here we examine the performance of representative samples of Scottish children in 1961 and 1983/4 on items from six scales of the Wechsler IQ test. We estimate that the rate of the gain in IQ for Scottish children over these 22.5 years did not exceed 2.5 IQ points (0.1 7 s ) per generation. This result may diverge from the reported international trend because the ‘massive’ IQ-type gains found in other countries reflect the reliance of other investigators on multiple-choice, culture-reduced tests that tend to reward intelligent guessing and to penalise scrupulosity. Brand, et al 2012 | |||
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"Just the one generation? Been going on for some time now it's what keeps the prison armed services and doll going "Truly there is much irony here.. | |||
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"A couple of my children are at uni, and both doing really well in difficult subjects. When my daughter was doing her A Levels she would ask me to help her revise, it used to send my head spinning. So no, I don’t think education system is failing in the UK. I hated teachers when I was a kid, but I pity them now. Bad parenting has led to unruly children disrupting classrooms. So it is not the schools that are at fault, but the parents of the little brats who attend them." Two of our children are secondary school teachers....both them, and us, would agree with you. | |||
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"A couple of my children are at uni, and both doing really well in difficult subjects. When my daughter was doing her A Levels she would ask me to help her revise, it used to send my head spinning. So no, I don’t think education system is failing in the UK. I hated teachers when I was a kid, but I pity them now. Bad parenting has led to unruly children disrupting classrooms. So it is not the schools that are at fault, but the parents of the little brats who attend them." Two of our children are secondary school teachers....both them, and us, would agree with you. | |||
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"A couple of my children are at uni, and both doing really well in difficult subjects. When my daughter was doing her A Levels she would ask me to help her revise, it used to send my head spinning. So no, I don’t think education system is failing in the UK. I hated teachers when I was a kid, but I pity them now. Bad parenting has led to unruly children disrupting classrooms. So it is not the schools that are at fault, but the parents of the little brats who attend them. Two of our children are secondary school teachers....both them, and us, would agree with you." Have to agree - but what does that say about today's society? | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x" Media driven..? | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x" Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment . | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment ." So nothing to do with the parents then? Discipline, manners, decency, basic reading,writing, maths, and a whole host of other fundamental life skills should all wait until a child goes to school? And then should remain the responsibility of the state, and not parents? | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment . So nothing to do with the parents then? Discipline, manners, decency, basic reading,writing, maths, and a whole host of other fundamental life skills should all wait until a child goes to school? And then should remain the responsibility of the state, and not parents? " You can work with the kids how exactly would you like to work with the parents? | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment . So nothing to do with the parents then? Discipline, manners, decency, basic reading,writing, maths, and a whole host of other fundamental life skills should all wait until a child goes to school? And then should remain the responsibility of the state, and not parents? You can work with the kids how exactly would you like to work with the parents?" The parents should be working with the kids from day 1. It takes nothing to know right from wrong, good manners and decency, the meaning of please and thank you, respect for others, to read with your children every night, and discipline. But instead you think these should be left to schools, teachers, and the state. Collective socialist responsibility in action! | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment . So nothing to do with the parents then? Discipline, manners, decency, basic reading,writing, maths, and a whole host of other fundamental life skills should all wait until a child goes to school? And then should remain the responsibility of the state, and not parents? You can work with the kids how exactly would you like to work with the parents? The parents should be working with the kids from day 1. It takes nothing to know right from wrong, good manners and decency, the meaning of please and thank you, respect for others, to read with your children every night, and discipline. But instead you think these should be left to schools, teachers, and the state. Collective socialist responsibility in action! " No I agree parents can be at fault .I am,unlike you pragmatic enough to realise you need to deal with the children as there is no way of forcing parents to be good parents .Unless you have anything to offer.? As I said if you pitch your tent in a sinkhole council estate you need to tailor your education to the environment. I hear this all the time as I have a HMI aunt and a principal educational psychologist in my family . Blaming the parents is fine but it's not a solution it's just the blame game and is redundant if looking for a solution. | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment . So nothing to do with the parents then? Discipline, manners, decency, basic reading,writing, maths, and a whole host of other fundamental life skills should all wait until a child goes to school? And then should remain the responsibility of the state, and not parents? You can work with the kids how exactly would you like to work with the parents? The parents should be working with the kids from day 1. It takes nothing to know right from wrong, good manners and decency, the meaning of please and thank you, respect for others, to read with your children every night, and discipline. But instead you think these should be left to schools, teachers, and the state. Collective socialist responsibility in action! No I agree parents can be at fault .I am,unlike you pragmatic enough to realise you need to deal with the children as there is no way of forcing parents to be good parents .Unless you have anything to offer.? As I said if you pitch your tent in a sinkhole council estate you need to tailor your education to the environment. I hear this all the time as I have a HMI aunt and a principal educational psychologist in my family . Blaming the parents is fine but it's not a solution it's just the blame game and is redundant if looking for a solution. "And like I said....education starts from the day children are born. You cannot expect the state to be responsible for that, nor to be responsible for the lack of parental responsibility. And like I said, we have two secondary school teachers amongst our children- they can tell which children have parents who care about their offspring's education, and which parents really don't give a shit....and ALL the children in their schools are from a similar background - mainly poorer areas. So what do you think the solution is with parents who really don't care about their children's education? | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment . So nothing to do with the parents then? Discipline, manners, decency, basic reading,writing, maths, and a whole host of other fundamental life skills should all wait until a child goes to school? And then should remain the responsibility of the state, and not parents? You can work with the kids how exactly would you like to work with the parents? The parents should be working with the kids from day 1. It takes nothing to know right from wrong, good manners and decency, the meaning of please and thank you, respect for others, to read with your children every night, and discipline. But instead you think these should be left to schools, teachers, and the state. Collective socialist responsibility in action! No I agree parents can be at fault .I am,unlike you pragmatic enough to realise you need to deal with the children as there is no way of forcing parents to be good parents .Unless you have anything to offer.? As I said if you pitch your tent in a sinkhole council estate you need to tailor your education to the environment. I hear this all the time as I have a HMI aunt and a principal educational psychologist in my family . Blaming the parents is fine but it's not a solution it's just the blame game and is redundant if looking for a solution.
And like I said....education starts from the day children are born. You cannot expect the state to be responsible for that, nor to be responsible for the lack of parental responsibility.
And like I said, we have two secondary school teachers amongst our children- they can tell which children have parents who care about their offspring's education, and which parents really don't give a shit....and ALL the children in their schools are from a similar background - mainly poorer areas. So what do you think the solution is with parents who really don't care about their children's education?"Agree 100% it's all about responsibility! It goes back to the old phrase "manners maketh man" - old hat but hey modern society is far from perfect! It's like having lots of kids when you can only afford 1/2 but the state picks up the tab. RESPONSIBILITY! | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment . So nothing to do with the parents then? Discipline, manners, decency, basic reading,writing, maths, and a whole host of other fundamental life skills should all wait until a child goes to school? And then should remain the responsibility of the state, and not parents? You can work with the kids how exactly would you like to work with the parents? The parents should be working with the kids from day 1. It takes nothing to know right from wrong, good manners and decency, the meaning of please and thank you, respect for others, to read with your children every night, and discipline. But instead you think these should be left to schools, teachers, and the state. Collective socialist responsibility in action! No I agree parents can be at fault .I am,unlike you pragmatic enough to realise you need to deal with the children as there is no way of forcing parents to be good parents .Unless you have anything to offer.? As I said if you pitch your tent in a sinkhole council estate you need to tailor your education to the environment. I hear this all the time as I have a HMI aunt and a principal educational psychologist in my family . Blaming the parents is fine but it's not a solution it's just the blame game and is redundant if looking for a solution. "I wasn’t blaming all parents, but a lot of them are definitely failing their children by spoiling them and never introducing any boundaries or discipline into them in their early years. How many disruptive kids do you think it takes to spoil a lesson at school. | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment . So nothing to do with the parents then? Discipline, manners, decency, basic reading,writing, maths, and a whole host of other fundamental life skills should all wait until a child goes to school? And then should remain the responsibility of the state, and not parents? You can work with the kids how exactly would you like to work with the parents? The parents should be working with the kids from day 1. It takes nothing to know right from wrong, good manners and decency, the meaning of please and thank you, respect for others, to read with your children every night, and discipline. But instead you think these should be left to schools, teachers, and the state. Collective socialist responsibility in action! No I agree parents can be at fault .I am,unlike you pragmatic enough to realise you need to deal with the children as there is no way of forcing parents to be good parents .Unless you have anything to offer.? As I said if you pitch your tent in a sinkhole council estate you need to tailor your education to the environment. I hear this all the time as I have a HMI aunt and a principal educational psychologist in my family . Blaming the parents is fine but it's not a solution it's just the blame game and is redundant if looking for a solution.
I wasn’t blaming all parents, but a lot of them are definitely failing their children by spoiling them and never introducing any boundaries or discipline into them in their early years.
How many disruptive kids do you think it takes to spoil a lesson at school."You have that wrong most children are amazing a few have learning difficulties some are autistic some are adhd some are on 5he spectrum parents are loosing their minds to help and support their children | |||
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"Yesterday we saw a father and small son together. The son, no more than 3, was walking away from the father, and the father was calling him to go back to him. The phrase 'you bastard' was used. Which got me round to thinking the following; 1- what a way to bring up a child 2- what is it like at home if that language is used in public 3- a 3 year old, that can hardly string a sentence together, really shouldn't know any swear words, let alone use them. The father did nothing, so I assume it's a normal occurrence in their household. Now, is this the state, school, teachers, or parents fault? I know what my money is on... But some on here would have you believe that it has nothing to do with how the parents bring their children up. " It's all about the parents, if they fail because of whatever reasons to do the basics with their kids then the teachers are hindered and that can only effect the others in the class.. Poverty is one part of the issue but its a cop out to use it as an excuse for poor, lazy parenting.. We grew up whilst not in poverty but certainly it was a struggle financially for our parents but our Mum as Dad was working long hours brought us up with values that we have all passed on to ours and we watch as our kids also are doing the same with theirs.. Education is too important to not support the teachers, we also have some in the family but the ethos was there before.. | |||
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"There is no way to force parents to be good parents you can punish them if their children dont turn up at school but you can't punish them for their child's behaviour .Unless somebody knows something that I am unaware of . There are voluntary parenting classes often offered in primary but nothing statutory. So the only way to address anything is at the point of contact,which is the school .So the only way to change behaviour is with school and the child . Saying it's all down to the parents and saying it's not the schools problem is an absurd position and not the position taken by the schools or the LEA because only the school can solve the issue with the child and the parents through consultation . "Agree but the issue of the resources needed to affect changes in parents that will be then passed on and influence the kids just isn't forthcoming so council's will happily have high exclusion rates instead.. | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment . So nothing to do with the parents then? Discipline, manners, decency, basic reading,writing, maths, and a whole host of other fundamental life skills should all wait until a child goes to school? And then should remain the responsibility of the state, and not parents? You can work with the kids how exactly would you like to work with the parents? The parents should be working with the kids from day 1. It takes nothing to know right from wrong, good manners and decency, the meaning of please and thank you, respect for others, to read with your children every night, and discipline. But instead you think these should be left to schools, teachers, and the state. Collective socialist responsibility in action! No I agree parents can be at fault .I am,unlike you pragmatic enough to realise you need to deal with the children as there is no way of forcing parents to be good parents .Unless you have anything to offer.? As I said if you pitch your tent in a sinkhole council estate you need to tailor your education to the environment. I hear this all the time as I have a HMI aunt and a principal educational psychologist in my family . Blaming the parents is fine but it's not a solution it's just the blame game and is redundant if looking for a solution.
I wasn’t blaming all parents, but a lot of them are definitely failing their children by spoiling them and never introducing any boundaries or discipline into them in their early years.
How many disruptive kids do you think it takes to spoil a lesson at school.
You have that wrong most children are amazing a few have learning difficulties some are autistic some are adhd some are on 5he spectrum parents are loosing their minds to help and support their children "I have two of my children on the asd, one starting university this month, the other still at school and expected to do very well in GCSEs. Autistic children are great, but you have to put the time in. | |||
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"Its all down to the comprehensive system, drag everyone down to the same level instead of encouraging people to prosper in the are they are best at, that could be in academic subjects or in practical skills, perhaps its part of the reason we have so many foreign workers the british kids have been told they are above picking veg and looking after old people, strangely enough in the real world feeding the population and looking after the old and sick are FAR more important than sitting in an office pushing bits of paper about
I learned calculus a part of the O level maths syllabus being first introduced to the discipline in the second year in secondary school (was in an Irish boarding school at the time). Now it is introduced at A level to students and is not really covered until first year uni. Considering that it is required not only for maths but for all the physical sciences. Therefore I have to conclude that (at least in maths and sciences) our present educational standard is at least 3 if not 4 years behind where it was in the early to mid 70's.
That to me is simply unacceptable."What you dont mention is the fact that in the 70s most kids did CSEs rather than O levels and there sure as hell wasnt calculus in CSE Maths | |||
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"With 1 in 8 secondary schools failing in the UK. I am fearful for a lost generation I really am x Where should money be invested .At the bottom in primary or nursery education or at the other end in secondary .Was the push for academy status a good thing or has the end the sure start programs been the right move Should we be investing in grammar schools which mostly supply better education to middle chads parents while working class parents have a choice of this failing school or that failing school . It's lack of guidance and investment that seems the issue .Not this blame game that it's all down to the parents ,because if you pitch your tent in the middle of s council estate you must have the tools to deal with the environment . So nothing to do with the parents then? Discipline, manners, decency, basic reading,writing, maths, and a whole host of other fundamental life skills should all wait until a child goes to school? And then should remain the responsibility of the state, and not parents? You can work with the kids how exactly would you like to work with the parents? The parents should be working with the kids from day 1. It takes nothing to know right from wrong, good manners and decency, the meaning of please and thank you, respect for others, to read with your children every night, and discipline. But instead you think these should be left to schools, teachers, and the state. Collective socialist responsibility in action! No I agree parents can be at fault .I am,unlike you pragmatic enough to realise you need to deal with the children as there is no way of forcing parents to be good parents .Unless you have anything to offer.? As I said if you pitch your tent in a sinkhole council estate you need to tailor your education to the environment. I hear this all the time as I have a HMI aunt and a principal educational psychologist in my family . Blaming the parents is fine but it's not a solution it's just the blame game and is redundant if looking for a solution.
And like I said....education starts from the day children are born. You cannot expect the state to be responsible for that, nor to be responsible for the lack of parental responsibility.
And like I said, we have two secondary school teachers amongst our children- they can tell which children have parents who care about their offspring's education, and which parents really don't give a shit....and ALL the children in their schools are from a similar background - mainly poorer areas. So what do you think the solution is with parents who really don't care about their children's education?"Kids are at school for 195 days a year for maybe 6 hours a day......the rest of the time theyre with their parents. I agree, schools cant do everything for kids | |||
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