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"Reuters is reporting a survey that says EU citizens are fed up changing the clocks twice a year. I am one of them. The EU will now consider a proposal to cease the practice, and stick with summer time all year round. I am all for that - changing clocks does nothing to change the hours of daylight and darkness. Apparently, all member states and the Euro Parliament need to agree. Do you think the UK should support this?" Can't see a problem with it. It has its historical links in allowing more daylight to bring the harvest in, in days long gone by. | |||
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"Daylight saving boots productivity " Where is your evidence? Changing clocks twice a year does not change the hours of daylight and darkness. It is clearly unpopular with the public. | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. " Which bit of ‘EU ciizens’ are you failing to understand or purposefully trying to ignore in order to further your agenda? -Matt | |||
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"Daylight saving boots productivity Where is your evidence? Changing clocks twice a year does not change the hours of daylight and darkness. It is clearly unpopular with the public." As per the racism thread we should all just ignore this lunatics posts. I read that Russia tried staying for a couple of years but it didn’t work out. For some unspecified reason. I personally don’t like how winter time brings it darker earlier. I have always said I’d much prefer to stay on summer time. | |||
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"Compromise, change it by half an hour and then keep it there forever!" Well if it's good enough for North Korea then It's good enough for us  . | |||
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"Plus I hate to be a stick in the mud but changing the hours does effect the times of daylight and darkness hence why the flipping do it "It's also why it boosts productivity in the economy, as daylight saving helps those who work in outdoor jobs to work longer hours. | |||
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"It's also why it boosts productivity in the economy, as daylight saving helps those who work in outdoor jobs to work longer hours. " That is bull. As is the claim it cuts down on accidents. In fact there is a growing body of evidence that it actually increases RTC's, but like so many 'great ideas' once they have been adopted reversing them is near on impossible because it entails people admitting they made a mistake. | |||
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"It's also why it boosts productivity in the economy, as daylight saving helps those who work in outdoor jobs to work longer hours. That is bull. As is the claim it cuts down on accidents. In fact there is a growing body of evidence that it actually increases RTC's, but like so many 'great ideas' once they have been adopted reversing them is near on impossible because it entails people admitting they made a mistake." . Again I hate to be a stick in the mud but what's reversing about it, what your actually saying is you want to stick with the "great idea" permanently. Unless your abdicating to stay on GMT all year round? Which is a bit bonkers to be honest | |||
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"There's some on here who'd rather turn the clocks back to the 1950s than just 30 minutes lol" That's were we are headed with this brexit time machine .Back to the good old days.Where rose tinted glasses are free and mandatory .  | |||
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"Unless your abdicating to stay on GMT all year round? Which is a bit bonkers to be honest" Actually that is exactly what I am saying we should do, and I am in some very good company. | |||
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"Unless your abdicating to stay on GMT all year round? Which is a bit bonkers to be honest Actually that is exactly what I am saying we should do, and I am in some very good company." . But nobody wants to stay on GMT in the summer, it would be the dawn chorus at 2:15 and nobody likes the dark early nights of winter under GMT either!. | |||
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"It wouldn't be good for NI and Eire to be in different time zones. I wonder if that was in the GFA? " The US gets on with different time zones ok and we are in a different zone to a lot of the EU anyway. For those in the north of the UK it wouldnt get light till nearly nine meaning kids going to school in the dark which must raise some concerns over road safety | |||
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"Plus I hate to be a stick in the mud but changing the hours does effect the times of daylight and darkness hence why the flipping do it
It's also why it boosts productivity in the economy, as daylight saving helps those who work in outdoor jobs to work longer hours. "Are you in control of the solar system or something? Get real. | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. " Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU.  | |||
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"It wouldn't be good for NI and Eire to be in different time zones. I wonder if that was in the GFA? " Why would the time zones between NI and Eire change? | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boosts productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. "No, you're the one who has misunderstood. The EU proposal is to not alter clocks twice a year, as we do in the UK. I don't agree with the proposal and think we're just fine as we are thanks. For the reasons already given by myself and others on the thread, our own system works better for productivity for those who work outdoors and gives them more daylight hours during the working day, all year round not just in summer, and as others have pointed out there is safety issues around children going to school in the dark and traffic accidents. Its yet another example of EU meddling. We're just fine as we are altering the clock's twice a year. | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boosts productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU.
No, you're the one who has misunderstood. The EU proposal is to not alter clocks twice a year, as we do in the UK. I don't agree with the proposal and think we're just fine as we are thanks. For the reasons already given by myself and others on the thread, our own system works better for productivity for those who work outdoors and gives them more daylight hours during the working day, all year round not just in summer, and as others have pointed out there is safety issues around children going to school in the dark and traffic accidents. Its yet another example of EU meddling. We're just fine as we are altering the clock's twice a year. "You know if it was the US suggesting this you would be all over it like a rash, because it's the EU your dead against it or anything else. I think you need to grow up and act your age instead of your shoe size! | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. ". Are you Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time. We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boosts productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU.
No, you're the one who has misunderstood. The EU proposal is to not alter clocks twice a year, as we do in the UK. I don't agree with the proposal and think we're just fine as we are thanks. For the reasons already given by myself and others on the thread, our own system works better for productivity for those who work outdoors and gives them more daylight hours during the working day, all year round not just in summer, and as others have pointed out there is safety issues around children going to school in the dark and traffic accidents. Its yet another example of EU meddling. We're just fine as we are altering the clock's twice a year.
You know if it was the US suggesting this you would be all over it like a rash, because it's the EU your dead against it or anything else. I think you need to grow up and act your age instead of your shoe size!"For the far right America is great the EU shite unless it's a far right party making gains then it's fucking awesome. | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
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Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST "Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
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Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST ""Daylight saving" is actually a bit of a misnomer. and I would assume (hope) that everyone on here knows that it doesn't "save" daylight. What it does however is to try to keep the natural phenomenon of the Earths wobble in some kind of sync with our clocks. On or close to the equator the wobble is hardly noticeable but the further away you go towards the poles it becomes much more noticeable to the point of 24 hour daylight or darkness once you get above the Arctic circle. For northern European countries neither time zone is perfect so that is why we change our clocks twice a year. If we stayed on GMT all year round then (as said above) you would be getting the dawn chorus at 2am and those nice daylight summer evenings in the garden would be an hour shorter, but no change in the winter. The other alternative is to stick with BST all year. On the up side that would mean that daylight on winter afternoons would be an hour longer, but in the mornings would be an hour shorter. The third way is to change between the two and get the best of both, which is what I prefer. From an EU point of view it is a bit more complicated. The southern countries (Spain Italy Greece Etc.) shouldn't have much of a problem adjusting to the same time all year as their range between summer/winter daylight is shorter. However the northern countries, Denmark Sweden Holland Belgium and even northern parts of France and Germany, would have similar problems to the UK. Also it doesn't help when you have say Warsaw and Cadiz in the same time zone. To me, if it aint broke, don't mend it. | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
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Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. "sounds like your a fan of regulatory alignment. | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
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Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. sounds like your a fan of regulatory alignment. ". It's not regulatory alignment, it's longitudinal alignment, that's why the West coast of Africa run GMT or Portugal and Ireland, Spain and France technically should run on GMT but choose to run on ECT which means they have lighter nights and darker mornings than what they should have but due to Spain's further position South on that longitude doesn't really bother them, a bit like Mali (even further south but still on same longitude) who run on GMT only have a two difference between summer and winter | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
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Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. sounds like your a fan of regulatory alignment. .
It's not regulatory alignment, it's longitudinal alignment, that's why the West coast of Africa run GMT or Portugal and Ireland, Spain and France technically should run on GMT but choose to run on ECT which means they have lighter nights and darker mornings than what they should have but due to Spain's further position South on that longitude doesn't really bother them, a bit like Mali (even further south but still on same longitude) who run on GMT only have a two difference between summer and winter"Agreed it makes sense to be aligned... but the decision to change the clocks is less about longitude. More about countries. Plenty don’t. And nor did we until 1916. And we also took a different approach during the war. | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
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Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. sounds like your a fan of regulatory alignment. .
It's not regulatory alignment, it's longitudinal alignment, that's why the West coast of Africa run GMT or Portugal and Ireland, Spain and France technically should run on GMT but choose to run on ECT which means they have lighter nights and darker mornings than what they should have but due to Spain's further position South on that longitude doesn't really bother them, a bit like Mali (even further south but still on same longitude) who run on GMT only have a two difference between summer and winter
Agreed it makes sense to be aligned... but the decision to change the clocks is less about longitude. More about countries. Plenty don’t. And nor did we until 1916. And we also took a different approach during the war. ". Plenty don't because there much further south, plenty to do when there much further north (like us) because otherwise we'd be getting daylight and birds singing at 2am in the North of Britain, do you think that's practicable?. Of course before 1916 many many people started work at 4am so it probably didn't bother them to much unlike today where most folks don't. | |||
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
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Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. sounds like your a fan of regulatory alignment. .
It's not regulatory alignment, it's longitudinal alignment, that's why the West coast of Africa run GMT or Portugal and Ireland, Spain and France technically should run on GMT but choose to run on ECT which means they have lighter nights and darker mornings than what they should have but due to Spain's further position South on that longitude doesn't really bother them, a bit like Mali (even further south but still on same longitude) who run on GMT only have a two difference between summer and winter
Agreed it makes sense to be aligned... but the decision to change the clocks is less about longitude. More about countries. Plenty don’t. And nor did we until 1916. And we also took a different approach during the war. .
Plenty don't because there much further south, plenty to do when there much further north (like us) because otherwise we'd be getting daylight and birds singing at 2am in the North of Britain, do you think that's practicable?.
Of course before 1916 many many people started work at 4am so it probably didn't bother them to much unlike today where most folks don't.
"It’s all relative as whatever you help on the am side you take away in the pm side. I’m not denying there are advantages and disadvantages. I’m just tempted to use this to satire the brexit arguments of sovereignty, we coped before, make the best of it etc etc. | |||
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"Funnily enough a YouGov poll has youngsters being okay with the clock changes and oldies wanting it to stop." Thats because they dont get up early enough to notice its dark in the morning, some dont realise there are two 5 oclocks in every day | |||
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"some people like to bash the EU with a big stick regardless just because they are so blinkered.... bearing in mind the irony of the proposal is that for 6 months of the year, they brits would be on the same time as those "pesky europeans" you hate so much..... its never been an exact science.... because in a sense it doesn't really make sence that the uk and ireland is in a different timeszone that france... which is a different timezone from spain..... they have the same arguement in the states that furthest western states of the eastern time zone, should be in the central time zone..... but then you'd have scenario's where for example the far western part of florida is in a different timezone from the rest of the state.... the same thing happens in texas where the far western bit is on mountain time, whereas the rest of the state is in central....." . Just for clarity. Britain, France and Spain fall entirely in the GMT meridian, Portugal is half in half out along with Ireland. Daylight saving is not used via longitudinal position, it's used via your latitudinal position. | |||
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"Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort. Before 1916 how did they cope? ". They got up for work at 3am. Good luck with that | |||
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"Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort. Before 1916 how did they cope? .
They got up for work at 3am.
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"Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort. Before 1916 how did they cope? "I thought you were a greeny, perhaps saving energy would have had a purpose today too in your mind | |||
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"Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort. Before 1916 how did they cope?
I thought you were a greeny, perhaps saving energy would have had a purpose today too in your mind "Yeah i am and it's never been proven that it saved energy and if you would like proof we could measure the global energy usage and then next year ditch daylight saving and see if it would save or increase energy use . | |||
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"People have been getting up at dawn and finishing work at sunset since the dawn of time .Regardless of the illusion of time the Swiss have sold you. ". I don't, I get up at 7 in the summer and leave for work at 8:10 | |||
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"Reuters is reporting a survey that says EU citizens are fed up changing the clocks twice a year. I am one of them. The EU will now consider a proposal to cease the practice, and stick with summer time all year round. I am all for that - changing clocks does nothing to change the hours of daylight and darkness. Apparently, all member states and the Euro Parliament need to agree. Do you think the UK should support this?" Yes yes yes | |||
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"I love the use of the words “EU Citizens.” Proof in the belief of the EU as a federal superstate. Also why do they feel the need to have every nation to abandon DST? I can understand why countries like Finland would benefit from such a change, as they have such little daylight to begin with. But it wouldn’t change much here. Indeed I have always looked forward to the extra daylight we get when we change to bst." The proposal isn't to scrap Daylight Saving Time (despite many headlines stating that). The proposal is to consult on making either Daylight Saving Time, otherwise known as Summer Time, or wintertime permanent by stopping clock changes. There are still many arguments for and against all cases but the EU isn't trying to steal your long summer evenings, but you might end up with lingers one's in the winter too. | |||
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"Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort. Before 1916 how did they cope? "Tsk, tsk bob... c'mon... the phrase is: "How did they cope before we joined the EU?!" ;) -Matt | |||
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