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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

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By *eefyBangerMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

He has set up a crowdfunding page to pay his legal costs. The term Tartan Tory hasn’t been as relevant as it is just now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

Thats the mark of the man putting his party before himself,personally i think its a smear campaign by the scottish office mundell and co as they know an independence ref is coming soon thats why the allegations were leaked ,seems pretty odd that it took 5yrs for the persons to make these allegations ,innocent until proven guilty so il be backing him as im sure many scots will

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him."

No i wont but as i said innocent until proven guilty,this is all politics the unionists were trying to bring the first minister and snp into it when it has nothing to do with them all to cause a split in snp it didnt work

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By *lixerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm 100% in support of a normal nation/state called Scotland (same for England, Ireland & Wales). It may be good when indyref2 comes that AS won't play much of a part in it.

For what it's worth he has a long rumoured rep for being a shagger. Two female elected members come to mind.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him."
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Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 100% in support of a normal nation/state called Scotland (same for England, Ireland & Wales). It may be good when indyref2 comes that AS won't play much of a part in it.

For what it's worth he has a long rumoured rep for being a shagger. Two female elected members come to mind. "

‘Rumoured’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different."

Here’s the rub: no one knows for definite what these complaints are, apart from lesley Evans and the two alleged complainants - and that’s the whole point on how this system is ridiculous.

Someone alleges something but he’s not told what, where, when, how or by whom. How in anyone’s mind is that fair?

He’s already been tried in the court of the Daily Record and that’s enough for some.

As they say, everything is in the timing and the timing of these accusations are a bit suspect to say the very least.

If he’s guilty I’ll be bitterly disappointed as I view him as a great man and arguable the UKs finest politician. If he’s not, well then that just highlights the shit storm that is WM and how much crap they get away with and no one bats an eyelid.

Bear in mind there is also a list of similar and more grievous accusations against a host of other politicians in WM - including one ex labour PM - that conveniently seem to be getting brushed under the carpet.

Party politics aside, any abuse of power of this kind of nature is abhorrent and those found guilty fair n square should be punished and I’ve zero sympathy in those cases.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Allegations of sexual harassment against an individual, and somehow it is a Westminster conspiracy to deprive five million people of their rightful destiny?

Lololololololol

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different."

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy? "

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat. "

"Donald Trump, an American businessman and current President of the United States, has been accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least nineteen women since the 1980s"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations"

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ? "

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

On one hand you have at least 19 women saying that he sexually assaulted or harassed them. On the other hand you have Trump admitting that he did these things, and that he also paid money to other people to keep quiet about his sexual activity. Are you honestly saying that you don't believe it happened?

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things. "

Sorry where does my opinion on Salmond come into this. Not said anything about him. Do you usually try and deflect in such a way? I don’t hang round these parts much.

Let’s forget about Salmond who I’m not defending.

What was the context mate? You brought it up as to make a point.

Donald Trump is fortunately or unfortunately innocent of all charges brought against him.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things.

Sorry where does my opinion on Salmond come into this. Not said anything about him. Do you usually try and deflect in such a way? I don’t hang round these parts much.

Let’s forget about Salmond who I’m not defending.

What was the context mate? You brought it up as to make a point.

Donald Trump is fortunately or unfortunately innocent of all charges brought against him.

The women said he did it. Trump said he did it. But you believe he didn't. Why?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things.

Sorry where does my opinion on Salmond come into this. Not said anything about him. Do you usually try and deflect in such a way? I don’t hang round these parts much.

Let’s forget about Salmond who I’m not defending.

What was the context mate? You brought it up as to make a point.

Donald Trump is fortunately or unfortunately innocent of all charges brought against him.

The women said he did it. Trump said he did it. But you believe he didn't. Why?"

He’s not convicted that was my only comment on the matter.

Deflecting again I never said that. I asked what context did he make that comment?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things.

Sorry where does my opinion on Salmond come into this. Not said anything about him. Do you usually try and deflect in such a way? I don’t hang round these parts much.

Let’s forget about Salmond who I’m not defending.

What was the context mate? You brought it up as to make a point.

Donald Trump is fortunately or unfortunately innocent of all charges brought against him.

The women said he did it. Trump said he did it. But you believe he didn't. Why?

He’s not convicted that was my only comment on the matter.

Deflecting again I never said that. I asked what context did he make that comment? "

Ok, but do you believe he did what he said he did?

As I've previously posted, for context you can watch the video.

https://youtu.be/FSC8Q-kR44o

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things.

Sorry where does my opinion on Salmond come into this. Not said anything about him. Do you usually try and deflect in such a way? I don’t hang round these parts much.

Let’s forget about Salmond who I’m not defending.

What was the context mate? You brought it up as to make a point.

Donald Trump is fortunately or unfortunately innocent of all charges brought against him.

The women said he did it. Trump said he did it. But you believe he didn't. Why?

He’s not convicted that was my only comment on the matter.

Deflecting again I never said that. I asked what context did he make that comment?

Ok, but do you believe he did what he said he did?

As I've previously posted, for context you can watch the video.

https://youtu.be/FSC8Q-kR44o"

Yes I do believe he did what he said he did but that was something you conjured into the conversation. Now why did you do this and also infer that I seemed to support Salmond from thin air? Seems a strange way to debate

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things.

Sorry where does my opinion on Salmond come into this. Not said anything about him. Do you usually try and deflect in such a way? I don’t hang round these parts much.

Let’s forget about Salmond who I’m not defending.

What was the context mate? You brought it up as to make a point.

Donald Trump is fortunately or unfortunately innocent of all charges brought against him.

The women said he did it. Trump said he did it. But you believe he didn't. Why?

He’s not convicted that was my only comment on the matter.

Deflecting again I never said that. I asked what context did he make that comment?

Ok, but do you believe he did what he said he did?

As I've previously posted, for context you can watch the video.

https://youtu.be/FSC8Q-kR44o

Well my post was about how people still support politicians who do these sorts of things. In your earlier posts you seemed to disbelieve that that trump had done the things he said he did and that others said he did. This implied that he should still receive political support. To me that linked to my question about if people will still support Salmond even if he is found guilty in this process. Your personal attacks on me (asking if I was deranged) seem to imply that I has touched a nerve with a Salmond supporter who would indeed support him whatever the outcome. Maybe I misinterpreted your comments, or maybe I am correct, why don't you tell us if you are a Salmond supporter or not, and if you are, if you will still support him if he is found to have committed these sexual assaults?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things.

Sorry where does my opinion on Salmond come into this. Not said anything about him. Do you usually try and deflect in such a way? I don’t hang round these parts much.

Let’s forget about Salmond who I’m not defending.

What was the context mate? You brought it up as to make a point.

Donald Trump is fortunately or unfortunately innocent of all charges brought against him.

The women said he did it. Trump said he did it. But you believe he didn't. Why?

He’s not convicted that was my only comment on the matter.

Deflecting again I never said that. I asked what context did he make that comment?

Ok, but do you believe he did what he said he did?

As I've previously posted, for context you can watch the video.

https://youtu.be/FSC8Q-kR44o

Oh so now you’re a liar. Where did I call you deranged?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things.

Sorry where does my opinion on Salmond come into this. Not said anything about him. Do you usually try and deflect in such a way? I don’t hang round these parts much.

Let’s forget about Salmond who I’m not defending.

What was the context mate? You brought it up as to make a point.

Donald Trump is fortunately or unfortunately innocent of all charges brought against him.

The women said he did it. Trump said he did it. But you believe he didn't. Why?

He’s not convicted that was my only comment on the matter.

Deflecting again I never said that. I asked what context did he make that comment?

Ok, but do you believe he did what he said he did?

As I've previously posted, for context you can watch the video.

https://youtu.be/FSC8Q-kR44o

Oh so now you’re a liar. Where did I call you deranged? "

My apologies, that was another poster, I thought it was you. My mistake.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things.

Sorry where does my opinion on Salmond come into this. Not said anything about him. Do you usually try and deflect in such a way? I don’t hang round these parts much.

Let’s forget about Salmond who I’m not defending.

What was the context mate? You brought it up as to make a point.

Donald Trump is fortunately or unfortunately innocent of all charges brought against him.

The women said he did it. Trump said he did it. But you believe he didn't. Why?

He’s not convicted that was my only comment on the matter.

Deflecting again I never said that. I asked what context did he make that comment?

Ok, but do you believe he did what he said he did?

As I've previously posted, for context you can watch the video.

https://youtu.be/FSC8Q-kR44o

Oh so now you’re a liar. Where did I call you deranged?

My apologies, that was another poster, I thought it was you. My mistake."

Apology accepted.

I apologise for calling you a liar. I see you are confused.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

I hear he's raised over £60k in his crowd funding.

If he's found guilty, won't a lot of people feel a tad foolish?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm open minded as it appears the party process ot something has not worked efficiently nor fast, as it should aim to protect anyone who is at potential risk - either from damaging claims or others from harassments.

Litigation is an awful waste of energy and money. I wasn't a fan of his behaviour in his power years, nor his engagement with Russian TV but the SNP needs to move rapidly and fairly to right any wrongs.

If he's aiming to sustain the party, that is to his credit.

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By *haremoreMan
over a year ago

Manchester

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? His name is now smeared all over the media for something he may not have done.Surely this cant be right and proper when we have reporting restrictions. Someone is playing a very canny game.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"What happened to innocent until proven guilty? His name is now smeared all over the media for something he may not have done.Surely this cant be right and proper when we have reporting restrictions. Someone is playing a very canny game."

Salmond was the one who made statement to the press.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him."
I think that the actions of Trump our trivial in comparison,so you cannot compare.

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over a year ago

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things.

Sorry where does my opinion on Salmond come into this. Not said anything about him. Do you usually try and deflect in such a way? I don’t hang round these parts much.

Let’s forget about Salmond who I’m not defending.

What was the context mate? You brought it up as to make a point.

Donald Trump is fortunately or unfortunately innocent of all charges brought against him.

The women said he did it. Trump said he did it. But you believe he didn't. Why?

He’s not convicted that was my only comment on the matter.

Deflecting again I never said that. I asked what context did he make that comment?

Ok, but do you believe he did what he said he did?

As I've previously posted, for context you can watch the video.

https://youtu.be/FSC8Q-kR44o

If you took the time to look at my reply i said i would not support him if he was guilty

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I hear he's raised over £60k in his crowd funding.

If he's found guilty, won't a lot of people feel a tad foolish? "
I feel discusted that he is raising money in this way it makes me feel sick.Should not be allowed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Salmond was the one who made statement to the press.

Wrong leslie evans from the scottish office was the one who leaked the allegations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hear he's raised over £60k in his crowd funding.

If he's found guilty, won't a lot of people feel a tad foolish? I feel discusted that he is raising money in this way it makes me feel sick.Should not be allowed"

Well alot of ppl are backing him in this as they feel he is being smeared by mundells scottish office

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hear he's raised over £60k in his crowd funding.

If he's found guilty, won't a lot of people feel a tad foolish? I feel discusted that he is raising money in this way it makes me feel sick.Should not be allowed"

Why not? How much cash is donated to political parties throughout the year to be used, in their eyes, to fight for what’s right?

No difference here. It’s wrong that he has been named before even knowing what he’s alledged to have done or by whom. That process needs challenged. That’s what he’s fighting - not the accusations per say.

What if it was the other way around and the leak was the names of the people accusing him and he still had anonymity? There would be public outcry.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him.I think that the actions of Trump our trivial in comparison,so you cannot compare."

Why? Both are sexual assaults, 19 women accuse Trump, 2 accuse Salmond. Why can't these be compared?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I hear he's raised over £60k in his crowd funding.

If he's found guilty, won't a lot of people feel a tad foolish? I feel discusted that he is raising money in this way it makes me feel sick.Should not be allowed

Why not? How much cash is donated to political parties throughout the year to be used, in their eyes, to fight for what’s right?

What if it was the other way around and the leak was the names of the people accusing him and he still had anonymity? There would be public outcry."

He was the one who made it public.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Salmond was the one who made statement to the press.

Wrong leslie evans from the scottish office was the one who leaked the allegations "

Not according to this. It says that Leslie Evans spoke to Mr Salmond about it, and then Mr Salmond released a statement to the press.

Salmond allegations: What do we know? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45295578

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By *haremoreMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Salmond was the one who made statement to the press.

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He made the statement to the press regarding his resignation.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Salmond was the one who made statement to the press.

He made the statement to the press regarding his resignation. "
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Before that

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over a year ago

Salmond was the one who made statement to the press.

Wrong leslie evans from the scottish office was the one who leaked the allegations

Not according to this. It says that Leslie Evans spoke to Mr Salmond about it, and then Mr Salmond released a statement to the press.

Salmond allegations: What do we know? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45295578"

Nope evans broke the story about the allegations then he made a statement to the press

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over a year ago

"I hear he's raised over £60k in his crowd funding.

If he's found guilty, won't a lot of people feel a tad foolish? I feel discusted that he is raising money in this way it makes me feel sick.Should not be allowed

Why not? How much cash is donated to political parties throughout the year to be used, in their eyes, to fight for what’s right?

What if it was the other way around and the leak was the names of the people accusing him and he still had anonymity? There would be public outcry.

He was the one who made it public.

Leslie evans made it public

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him.I think that the actions of Trump our trivial in comparison,so you cannot compare.

Why? Both are sexual assaults, 19 women accuse Trump, 2 accuse Salmond. Why can't these be compared?"

Has Stormy Daniels accused Donald Trump of Sexual assault? I don't think she has but you appear to be suggesting she has? As far as I'm aware from what has been reported they had an affair and any Sexual activity between them was consensual.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him.I think that the actions of Trump our trivial in comparison,so you cannot compare.

Why? Both are sexual assaults, 19 women accuse Trump, 2 accuse Salmond. Why can't these be compared?

No, I'm not saying that Stormy Daniels has, but at least 19 women have.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I hear he's raised over £60k in his crowd funding.

If he's found guilty, won't a lot of people feel a tad foolish? I feel discusted that he is raising money in this way it makes me feel sick.Should not be allowed

Why not? How much cash is donated to political parties throughout the year to be used, in their eyes, to fight for what’s right?

What if it was the other way around and the leak was the names of the people accusing him and he still had anonymity? There would be public outcry.

He was the one who made it public.

Leslie evans made it public "

When? Do you have any news source for this?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him.I think that the actions of Trump our trivial in comparison,so you cannot compare.

Why? Both are sexual assaults, 19 women accuse Trump, 2 accuse Salmond. Why can't these be compared?

No, I'm not saying that Stormy Daniels has, but at least 19 women have."

Why did you bring Stormy Daniels name up in this context earlier in the thread then?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him.I think that the actions of Trump our trivial in comparison,so you cannot compare.

Why? Both are sexual assaults, 19 women accuse Trump, 2 accuse Salmond. Why can't these be compared?

No, I'm not saying that Stormy Daniels has, but at least 19 women have.

Why did you bring Stormy Daniels name up in this context earlier in the thread then?

I didn't mention her name, you did. I said he had had affairs, and that many women had accused him of sexual assault, and yet many people, you included, still support him.

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By *eefyBangerMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

"And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him."

Wow! Really, wow!

Are you seriously comparing sexual assault/misconduct with having an affair?

As far as I’m aware having an affair is immoral but not illegal, surely I don’t need to explain to you about the legality or illegality if you will of sexual assault

This place surprises me more and more everyday

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him.

Wow! Really, wow!

Are you seriously comparing sexual assault/misconduct with having an affair?

As far as I’m aware having an affair is immoral but not illegal, surely I don’t need to explain to you about the legality or illegality if you will of sexual assault

This place surprises me more and more everyday"

19 women have accused Trump of sexual assault or harassment.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him.I think that the actions of Trump our trivial in comparison,so you cannot compare.

Why? Both are sexual assaults, 19 women accuse Trump, 2 accuse Salmond. Why can't these be compared?

No, I'm not saying that Stormy Daniels has, but at least 19 women have.

Why did you bring Stormy Daniels name up in this context earlier in the thread then?

I didn't mention her name, you did. I said he had had affairs, and that many women had accused him of sexual assault, and yet many people, you included, still support him."

You didn't specifically mention her name but you referred to her as a "porn star", based on that it's crystal clear you were referring to Stormy Daniels.

You replied to a post about sexual assault allegations and then you made a comparison to that about having affairs. It's nonsense. You've already made a complete fool of yourself once earlier on in this thread when you had to apologise to someone but you seem determined to dig a bigger hole for yourself now.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him.I think that the actions of Trump our trivial in comparison,so you cannot compare.

Why? Both are sexual assaults, 19 women accuse Trump, 2 accuse Salmond. Why can't these be compared?

No, I'm not saying that Stormy Daniels has, but at least 19 women have.

Why did you bring Stormy Daniels name up in this context earlier in the thread then?

I didn't mention her name, you did. I said he had had affairs, and that many women had accused him of sexual assault, and yet many people, you included, still support him.

You didn't specifically mention her name but you referred to her as a "porn star", based on that it's crystal clear you were referring to Stormy Daniels.

But you still support him, despite all the things we know about him, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Here’s the rub: no one knows for definite what these complaints are, apart from lesley Evans and the two alleged complainants - and that’s the whole point on how this system is ridiculous.

Someone alleges something but he’s not told what, where, when, how or by whom. How in anyone’s mind is that fair?

He’s already been tried in the court of the Daily Record and that’s enough for some.

As they say, everything is in the timing and the timing of these accusations are a bit suspect to say the very least.

Party politics aside, any abuse of power of this kind of nature is abhorrent and those found guilty fair n square should be punished and I’ve zero sympathy in those cases."

Only once AS has his day in court will we find out what he was or was not told about the internal Scottish Government investigation.

Irrespective of that the Police Scotland investigation continues.

He is only complaining about a process in court !!!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Alex Salmond made his statement at 22:09 on 23rd August on Twitter. Can anyone find any news reports before that time? Or did the press only get hold of the story after Salmond's post on Twitter?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The daily record asked him to comment on rumours the was being investigated by the SG he decided to announce himself on Twitter.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The daily record asked him to comment on rumours the was being investigated by the SG he decided to announce himself on Twitter."

So nothing was published in the press until after Salmond made a public statement on the issue

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By *bi_scotlandTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

The Scottish government were due to release the findings of their investigation (as per the policy Nicola Strugeon put in place)and Salmond initially tried to get an interdict at court to stop them revealling their findings. The details were also passed to the police at this time.

He later decided against the interdict and has decided to go to court for a judicial review of the Scottish Government's complaint process (again, this was the pocess Nicola Sturgeon put in place)

Salmond held a press conference to announce this, basically trying to set the agenda, and Nicola Stugeon and the Permanent Secretary both announced their were significant inaccuracies in his statement but they couldn't expand on this due to the legal action.

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By *bi_scotlandTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

Also, this is rather important. It's from the General Secretary of the FDA Union who deal with Civil Servants and points out the nasty line that Salmond is deliberately taking here.

Mr Salmond is being investigated under a Scottish government process championed by Nicola Sturgeon, the first minister, and implemented by Leslie Evans, the permanent secretary and an impartial civil servant. Reading Mr Salmond’s statements, none of this would be obvious. He has repeatedly singled out Ms Evans for criticism, stating “for whatever reason, the permanent secretary has decided to mount a process against me using an unlawful procedure which she herself introduced”. He described it as the “Leslie Evans procedure”.

Yet, if you want to give it a name, it is the Nicola Sturgeon procedure. It is owned by the Scottish government and, as Ms Sturgeon herself made clear, she agreed it in 2017. Mr Salmond’s decision to attack the integrity of Scotland’s most senior civil servant is no accident. He would be aware that his supporters would jump on this bandwagon.

Amid outlandish MI5 conspiracy theories are responses from politicians echoing his witch-hunt narrative — gutter politics at its very worst. While accused of sexual harassment, a claim he denies, Mr Salmond attacks and threatens with legal action the individual tasked with investigating those complaints. As a former first minister, he knows Ms Evans is duty-bound to investigate complaints. Not only is this nasty, vindictive and deliberate, it also has broader consequences.

What message does this send to those tasked with investigating complaints, let alone the real victims here? Mr Salmond’s actions undermine the integrity and impartiality of the civil service, thereby damaging the Scottish government itself. Clearly, it’s a price he believes is worth paying.

Dave Penman is general secretary of the FDA union"

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat. "

Or maybe it was just a miss quote taken out of context. Maybe he was actually talking about an investigation of mice and maybe what he really said was "grabbed by the pussy".

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations"

Fake news. You need to find an alternative truth.

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over a year ago

"I hear he's raised over £60k in his crowd funding.

If he's found guilty, won't a lot of people feel a tad foolish? "

If he's found guilty, those that paid in just will not believe it. Many people I know locally are hardcore supporters of his and they are already sharing the usual conspiracy theories, it's all a plot to stop independence. While they bankroll his court case.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him.I think that the actions of Trump our trivial in comparison,so you cannot compare."

Gobsmacked!!

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By *lbert_shlossedMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things. "
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I think you're suffering from trump derangement!.

So a floozy porn star bl*ckmailed him over an alleged affair, whooppee do(I'd like to see her prosecuted for the crime of bl*ckmail),19 women (probably suffering from trump derangement like yourself) have got nowhere in there cases (unlike bill Clinton which had to pay off r@pe allegations in court).

Trump was talking man talk to another man, 99% of men make this talk, it's just talk, it's not illegal and it's not criminal.

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over a year ago

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things. .

I think you're suffering from trump derangement!.

Trump was talking man talk to another man, 99% of men make this talk, it's just talk, it's not illegal and it's not criminal.

It's all about standards. The most powerful man in the World should set high standards not a race to the bottom!

By using Trump organizations for meetings not only is he getting free publicity but the American taxpayer is paying for it. The Kushner family have made a fortune. Also every modern day presidential candidate published their tax returns except trump. Probably he didn't pay any tax hence he doesn't want the public to see. If he had nothing to hide he would publish them!

Crooked Donald lock him up!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Looks like Alex Salmond has fallen on his sword and severed ties with the SNP amid sexual harassment claims against him.

And if he is found guilty, will you still back him? Look at America, Trump has just been confirmed to have had 2 affairs, one with a porn star, and yet his supporters are still backing him..

Are you deranged?

Affairs and sexual assaults are completely different.

Perhaps you have forgotten trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy?

What was the context in which he was saying it though? Did he do it?

I believe he was just being a boorish twat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Sorry what to your mind was the context in which he said that twattish thing?

Hes not been convicted has he ?

Watch the video and you can see the context of when he was caught saying those things.

It seems to me that you would still support Salmond even if he admitting doing these things. .

I think you're suffering from trump derangement!.

Trump was talking man talk to another man, 99% of men make this talk, it's just talk, it's not illegal and it's not criminal.

You can put me in the 1% then, and 99.9999% of the men I know too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So accusations have been made against Alex Salmond! He now has to raise thousands of pounds (via Crowd Funding) to prove his innocence.

WTF is going on? WTF happened to "innocent until proven Guilty"?

If Alex Salmond is found to be innocent, will the those making the accusations be made to foot the legal bill?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"So accusations have been made against Alex Salmond! He now has to raise thousands of pounds (via Crowd Funding) to prove his innocence.

WTF is going on? WTF happened to "innocent until proven Guilty"?

If Alex Salmond is found to be innocent, will the those making the accusations be made to foot the legal bill?

I could be wrong but isn't the crowd funding to do with his legal challenge to the actual way the procedures have been implemented?

The accusations will be looked at as a separate issue I thought..

Are you saying that if a person is assaulted etc they shouldn't make the accusation because of the costs involved in pursuing that complaint?

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over a year ago

No, what I am saying is that for example;

My neighbour could say that I sexually assaulted her 10 years ago.

Surely it is up to her to prove my guilt.

If I am innocent (which I am

) - than I should not have to pay anything, indeed I should be compensated.

Perhaps I have got the wrong end of the stick regarding Salmond!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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Historical cases of such allegations will present issues on both sides of the argument, it will be up to the process to conclude on the validity or not of the accusations..

It's the prosecution in law who have to prove the guilt so that will apply here too..

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

"So accusations have been made against Alex Salmond! He now has to raise thousands of pounds (via Crowd Funding) to prove his innocence.

WTF is going on? WTF happened to "innocent until proven Guilty"?

If Alex Salmond is found to be innocent, will the those making the accusations be made to foot the legal bill?

No, you're wrong about this.

First of all, Salmond isn't goint to court to prove he's innocent. He's going to court to challenge Nicola Sturgeon's complaints procedure. It's pretty much civil war between them now.

The Scottish Government were about to announce that he had been found guilty of misconduct and were passing the evidence on to Police Scotland but he tried to suppress that by going for an interdict (and then changing his mind when it became public). It's now up to Police Scotland to investigate if he has broken the law but the Scottish Government had found him guilty of misconduct but can't announce it due to the court case now.

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"So accusations have been made against Alex Salmond! He now has to raise thousands of pounds (via Crowd Funding) to prove his innocence.

WTF is going on? WTF happened to "innocent until proven Guilty"?

If Alex Salmond is found to be innocent, will the those making the accusations be made to foot the legal bill?

No, you're wrong about this.

First of all, Salmond isn't goint to court to prove he's innocent. He's going to court to challenge Nicola Sturgeon's complaints procedure. It's pretty much civil war between them now.

And the fact he is crowd funding makes me sick to my stomach, I don't know if he is innocent or guilty and if he wanted to challenge the SG complaints procedure then fair enough. But doing it before the police have investigated, before it's known if charges will be brought and if they are, before the case is heard in criminal court screams one loud message to the women that have complained against him: look how powerful and popular I am, look how many people don't believe you, aren't you intimidated? Give up now...

Exactly the type of abuse of fame and power the Scottish Governments complaints procedure was designed to protect against.

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over a year ago

"So accusations have been made against Alex Salmond! He now has to raise thousands of pounds (via Crowd Funding) to prove his innocence.

WTF is going on? WTF happened to "innocent until proven Guilty"?

If Alex Salmond is found to be innocent, will the those making the accusations be made to foot the legal bill?

No, you're wrong about this.

First of all, Salmond isn't goint to court to prove he's innocent. He's going to court to challenge Nicola Sturgeon's complaints procedure. It's pretty much civil war between them now.

Pls supply source or link to where we can find this information ?

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over a year ago

"So accusations have been made against Alex Salmond! He now has to raise thousands of pounds (via Crowd Funding) to prove his innocence.

WTF is going on? WTF happened to "innocent until proven Guilty"?

If Alex Salmond is found to be innocent, will the those making the accusations be made to foot the legal bill?

I could be wrong but isn't the crowd funding to do with his legal challenge to the actual way the procedures have been implemented?

The accusations will be looked at as a separate issue I thought..

Are you saying that if a person is assaulted etc they shouldn't make the accusation because of the costs involved in pursuing that complaint? "

I presume that if he has to raise money to defend himsellf then the accuser is paying for their procecution ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"So accusations have been made against Alex Salmond! He now has to raise thousands of pounds (via Crowd Funding) to prove his innocence.

WTF is going on? WTF happened to "innocent until proven Guilty"?

If Alex Salmond is found to be innocent, will the those making the accusations be made to foot the legal bill?

I could be wrong but isn't the crowd funding to do with his legal challenge to the actual way the procedures have been implemented?

The accusations will be looked at as a separate issue I thought..

Are you saying that if a person is assaulted etc they shouldn't make the accusation because of the costs involved in pursuing that complaint?

I presume that if he has to raise money to defend himsellf then the accuser is paying for their procecution ?"

Not normally how it works unless its a private case taken by one person against another, this looks to be an internal grievance issue which with pretty much all such things if the nature of the allegation is serious enough to also warrant a criminal investigation will be passed on to the police..

we don't pay apart from taxation when the police act upon our behalf if we are a victim..

the crowd funding looks to be about his issues with the procedural aspects of the internal Scottish Government investigation process..