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"When the country's leadership, or some of it at any rate, seems hellbent on leaving the EU, its supply chain and cross-border arrangements with no plans to put anything in its place, it would be a foolish business or industry that didn't make contingency plans." That is right, they have to prepare themselves before hand. | |||
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"Which is more important, a deluded sense of sovereignty and an old coloured passport, or life saving medication? " Why change the question set by the OP? | |||
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"Which is more important, a deluded sense of sovereignty and an old coloured passport, or life saving medication? Why change the question set by the OP?" Sorry, I thought it was obvious, but I'll spell it out for you. No, I don't think it's worth people dying, people's conditions worsening, people suffering, people being in pain, just so we can change the colour of our passports (which we always could do anyway). Do you think Brexit is worth people dying for? | |||
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"Which is more important, a deluded sense of sovereignty and an old coloured passport, or life saving medication? Why change the question set by the OP? Sorry, I thought it was obvious, but I'll spell it out for you. No, I don't think it's worth people dying, people's conditions worsening, people suffering, people being in pain, just so we can change the colour of our passports (which we always could do anyway). Do you think Brexit is worth people dying for? " Exactly how many people will die due to the causes you state above? Every day people die in car accidents. Do you think driving is worth dying for? | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners..." No, it's reporting on what actual businesses are doing. Do you honestly believe that they will spend a small fortune stocking medicines just to make a political point about a referendum 2 years ago? 
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners..." OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners..." What about drugs that are not licensed for generics? -Matt | |||
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"Which is more important, a deluded sense of sovereignty and an old coloured passport, or life saving medication? Why change the question set by the OP? Sorry, I thought it was obvious, but I'll spell it out for you. No, I don't think it's worth people dying, people's conditions worsening, people suffering, people being in pain, just so we can change the colour of our passports (which we always could do anyway). Do you think Brexit is worth people dying for? Exactly how many people will die due to the causes you state above? Every day people die in car accidents. Do you think driving is worth dying for?" I dont know, why don't you ask AstraZenca why they are increasing their stockpiles? They make at least 9 cancer drugs, and at least 14 respiratory medicine, so people could well die without those. I find it amazing that brexiters have put Brexit onto such a high pedestal, that it has gained mythical god-like status. Because you believe in Brexit, you now seem to also have to believe that people won't die if their medication runs out. Suddenly Brexit is stronger than cancer. | |||
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"There are many pharmaceutical companies .. not all of them are in the EU ..." True, but drugs have to be tested and licensed to be used in other countries. At the moment that's done at an EU wide level. The UK has to set up a new regulator, how is it going so far? | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... No, it's reporting on what actual businesses are doing. Do you honestly believe that they will spend a small fortune stocking medicines just to make a political point about a referendum 2 years ago?
"Yes. And more to the point, if needs be he's willing to say that he will kill whomever he has to in order maintain the glory of Brexit. | |||
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"There are many pharmaceutical companies .. not all of them are in the EU ... True, but drugs have to be tested and licensed to be used in other countries. At the moment that's done at an EU wide level. The UK has to set up a new regulator, how is it going so far? " Rubbish. The Medicines & Healthcare Regulatory Authority was formed in 2003! | |||
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"There are many pharmaceutical companies .. not all of them are in the EU ... True, but drugs have to be tested and licensed to be used in other countries. At the moment that's done at an EU wide level. The UK has to set up a new regulator, how is it going so far? Rubbish. The Medicines & Healthcare Regulatory Authority was formed in 2003!" "With the UK deciding by referendum to leave the EU, the vote will have major implications for the regulation of medicines and medical devices across the entire continent. Not only will the European Medicines Agency (EMA) have to uproot its headquarters from London (presumably shifting more than 600 full-time employees), but the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) will have to decide if they want to continue conducting drug manufacturing and clinical trial site inspections alongside EMA, and whether the UK will now have to develop its own drug approval system as UK pharmaceutical regulations are primarily determined at the EU level. As lawyers have pointed out: EU Directives, such as Directive 2001/83/EC governing medicinal products, require the UK to implement relevant legislation into national law. This is done by reference to the European Communities Act of 1972 and through the implementation of the Human Medicines Regulation of 2012. The UK's departure from the EU would mean these laws remain in place unless the UK government decided to change them." (Brexit Conundrum: How Does MHRA Work With EMA Moving Forward - Regulatory Affairs Professionals Society) | |||
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"The 2012 Regulations will remain in force and give the Secretary of State all the powers he needs. Stop spreading false remoaner nonsense. " Has he done it? | |||
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"The 2012 Regulations will remain in force and give the Secretary of State all the powers he needs. Stop spreading false remoaner nonsense. Has he done it?" How do you know it's not being covered in the 'no deal' preparations currently being done by the government. There are no deal preparations ongoing behind the scenes which the public are not at liberty to see the details of. | |||
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"The 2012 Regulations will remain in force and give the Secretary of State all the powers he needs. Stop spreading false remoaner nonsense. Has he done it? How do you know it's not being covered in the 'no deal' preparations currently being done by the government. There are no deal preparations ongoing behind the scenes which the public are not at liberty to see the details of. " Do you think these will be *actual* preparations this time? Or do you think they will be imaginary ones like the last ones? You have to admit the government don't have a good record on actually preparing anything. Let alone anything useful. -Matt | |||
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"The 2012 Regulations will remain in force and give the Secretary of State all the powers he needs. Stop spreading false remoaner nonsense. Has he done it? How do you know it's not being covered in the 'no deal' preparations currently being done by the government. There are no deal preparations ongoing behind the scenes which the public are not at liberty to see the details of. Do you think these will be *actual* preparations this time? Or do you think they will be imaginary ones like the last ones? You have to admit the government don't have a good record on actually preparing anything. Let alone anything useful. -Matt" What part of we have Regulations that cover medicine licensing in the UK, that have been in place, and have been used since 2012, every day of the year, don't you understand? | |||
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"The 2012 Regulations will remain in force and give the Secretary of State all the powers he needs. Stop spreading false remoaner nonsense. Has he done it? How do you know it's not being covered in the 'no deal' preparations currently being done by the government. There are no deal preparations ongoing behind the scenes which the public are not at liberty to see the details of. Do you think these will be *actual* preparations this time? Or do you think they will be imaginary ones like the last ones? You have to admit the government don't have a good record on actually preparing anything. Let alone anything useful. -Matt What part of we have Regulations that cover medicine licensing in the UK, that have been in place, and have been used since 2012, every day of the year, don't you understand?" And? What has 'we have regulations' got to do with 'we need a licensing/regulation authority'? -Matt | |||
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"The UK imports 90 per cent of its medicines, apparently. About half from the EU and about half from elsewhere. All governed currently by the EU. " All licenced by the UK actually. | |||
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"Which is more important, a deluded sense of sovereignty and an old coloured passport, or life saving medication? " That's a hard one I pic a old coloured passport, time to build a wall around the UK | |||
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"Shit Andy. Have you thought to go tell these pharmacies that they're not to be worried? I mean, if you truly do know better than them, it'd be irresponsible and morally bankrupt to just keep that information to yourself." You're not actually in the UK, nor Europe, and when did you last set foot in a UK pharmacy. No one is worried in the UK at all about medicines. This is fake news. | |||
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"And if we import 90%. How come the most valuable export category to the USA at £7 billion is medicines. Stop making up nonsense." Ask Martin Sawer, executive director of the Healthcare Distribution Association. That is what he told the Commons health select committee. Just as Richard Freudenberg, secretary-general of the British Association of European Pharmaceutical Distributors, which represents companies involved in the parallel importing of medicines, told MPs the sector would be hard hit if the UK became part of World Trade Organization rules. Still think I am making this up? Have a read of the Journal published by the Royal Pharmaceutical Society: He told MPs: “My understanding in these circumstances would be that exports from the UK would cease… in licensing terms I think imports could continue with agreement.” He said: “My understanding is that we would be able to trade with the rest of the world, but the medicines regulations would not be in place to bring those in line with trade laws.” "Sawyer pointed out that if the UK had a post-Brexit trade agreement with the US for example it would mean drugs would start to leave the UK because they were 50% cheaper than the cost of the same medicines in the US: “We have got to be really careful about doing trade deals with well-off countries because they could start sucking medicines out of the UK.” Pah, fake news, what do they know, eh? | |||
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"And if we import 90%. How come the most valuable export category to the USA at £7 billion is medicines. Stop making up nonsense." Lol. maths isn't your strong point is it? -Matt | |||
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"And if we import 90%. How come the most valuable export category to the USA at £7 billion is medicines. Stop making up nonsense. Ask Martin Sawer, executive director of the Healthcare Distribution Association. That is what he told the Commons health select committee. Just as Richard Freudenberg, secretary-general of the British Association of European Pharmaceutical Distributors, which represents companies involved in the parallel importing of medicines, told MPs the sector would be hard hit if the UK became part of World Trade Organization rules. Still think I am making this up? Have a read of the Journal published by the Royal Pharmaceutical Society: He told MPs: “My understanding in these circumstances would be that exports from the UK would cease… in licensing terms I think imports could continue with agreement.” He said: “My understanding is that we would be able to trade with the rest of the world, but the medicines regulations would not be in place to bring those in line with trade laws.” "Sawyer pointed out that if the UK had a post-Brexit trade agreement with the US for example it would mean drugs would start to leave the UK because they were 50% cheaper than the cost of the same medicines in the US: “We have got to be really careful about doing trade deals with well-off countries because they could start sucking medicines out of the UK.” Pah, fake news, what do they know, eh? " All crap. Read the 1st post. How do pharmacies buy medicines? From wholesalers. They couldn't cope with the demand for stockpiling, nor could the manufacturers. Nor could the pharmacies afford to do this. And crucially, I know that you are stupid, but have you ever noticed anything about medicines? They have a short shelf life, and when are we leaving the EU? So who would stockpile medicines that would be out of date before we even left the EU. But don't let remoaner lies stop you from posting utter bollocks. | |||
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"And if we import 90%. How come the most valuable export category to the USA at £7 billion is medicines. Stop making up nonsense. Lol. maths isn't your strong point is it? -Matt Really? So a report in The Times, from last Saturday that states: Top Exports to US 1 Medicinal and pharmaceutical products: £7.06 billion That's invented is it? So we import 90% of these products and then sell them onto the USA. Because the USA wouldn't just buy them direct from where the UK bought them from. Intelligence and common sense aren't your strong points are they? Dickhead. How does 'We import X amount' relate to 'We export Y amount in the same category'? Why do you find it hard that we might import 90% of the drugs we need, and yet our most valuable export to the US might also be drugs? -Matt" Actually... to help you, let me try a hypothetical example. Let's pretend that we invented, manufacture and export paracetemol. And let's say that because paracetemol is such a widely used medicine. In this imaginary example, you can't get paracetemol anywhere else, and it's quite expensive. So it could quite easily be the most valuable thing we export to the US. That's great, and by doing this, we have all the paracetemol in the world. But there are plenty of other illnesses and a myriad of other drugs that are needed. Man cannot live on paracetemol alone. And so we need to import 90% of our medicines, because paracetemol only covers 10% of the prescriptions we issue to our citizens. See? Does that make sense to you now? -Matt | |||
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"Shit Andy. Have you thought to go tell these pharmacies that they're not to be worried? I mean, if you truly do know better than them, it'd be irresponsible and morally bankrupt to just keep that information to yourself. You're not actually in the UK, nor Europe, and when did you last set foot in a UK pharmacy. No one is worried in the UK at all about medicines. This is fake news." I agree, it is very much that in the contemporary sense of the phrase "News I wish to ignore". | |||
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" Let's pretend . . . " Stop there, and you have captured the vision of the British nationalists perfectly. | |||
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"Shit Andy. Have you thought to go tell these pharmacies that they're not to be worried? I mean, if you truly do know better than them, it'd be irresponsible and morally bankrupt to just keep that information to yourself. You're not actually in the UK, nor Europe, and when did you last set foot in a UK pharmacy. No one is worried in the UK at all about medicines. This is fake news." It's not, AstraZenca have already spent £40m on Brexit plans, and are stockpiling medicines. If this is entirely unwarranted, then what are their shareholders doing about it? | |||
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" Let's pretend . . . Stop there, and you have captured the vision of the British nationalists perfectly." lol... well y'know, try to relate to something they can understand. -Matt | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? " We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. | |||
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"another remoaners scare storey then...." Written by someone who can’t even spell pharmacies. Pharmaceutical manufacturing is doing very well right now, and with the low pound they are exporting even more than before. Remoaners jumping on any “evidence” that BREXIT is a tragedy, even though it hasn’t happened yet. I’m looking forward to the chance to say I told you so when the UK becomes more successful after gaining our independence. | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.." So you'll know that SmithKline Beecham has been GSK for nearly 20 years now. | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. So you'll know that SmithKline Beecham has been GSK for nearly 20 years now. " Yeah, just forget about Glaxo is all. | |||
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"another remoaners scare storey then...." So are AstraZenca increasing their stockpile or not? | |||
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"another remoaners scare storey then.... So are AstraZenca increasing their stockpile or not? " Who? Sorry but I never heard of them and don’t care. However, if they are stockpiling then it might just be that the drugs they are buying are cheap right now, and they are expecting the prices to go up. I remember one firm I worked for making Oramorph, batch after batch with no order or dispatch date. Two years later an order came, and the tablets were ready to go. So even in the controlled drugs cabinet there was ample room. The actual warehouse capacity was immense. | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.." I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. | |||
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"another remoaners scare storey then.... So are AstraZenca increasing their stockpile or not? Who? Sorry but I never heard of them and don’t care. However, if they are stockpiling then it might just be that the drugs they are buying are cheap right now, and they are expecting the prices to go up. I remember one firm I worked for making Oramorph, batch after batch with no order or dispatch date. Two years later an order came, and the tablets were ready to go. So even in the controlled drugs cabinet there was ample room. The actual warehouse capacity was immense." The are the 2nd largest drug manufacturer in the UK (by value). When exactly did you work in the industry, and what did you do? | |||
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"another remoaners scare storey then.... So are AstraZenca increasing their stockpile or not? Who? Sorry but I never heard of them and don’t care. However, if they are stockpiling then it might just be that the drugs they are buying are cheap right now, and they are expecting the prices to go up. I remember one firm I worked for making Oramorph, batch after batch with no order or dispatch date. Two years later an order came, and the tablets were ready to go. So even in the controlled drugs cabinet there was ample room. The actual warehouse capacity was immense. The are the 2nd largest drug manufacturer in the UK (by value). When exactly did you work in the industry, and what did you do? " I’m not going to give you my cv, please respect my online privacy. But I did everything from dispensing raw materials, granulation, compression, and all forms of tablet coating. I even did printing tablets, and started out packing them ready to go out. | |||
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"another remoaners scare storey then.... So are AstraZenca increasing their stockpile or not? Who? Sorry but I never heard of them and don’t care. However, if they are stockpiling then it might just be that the drugs they are buying are cheap right now, and they are expecting the prices to go up. I remember one firm I worked for making Oramorph, batch after batch with no order or dispatch date. Two years later an order came, and the tablets were ready to go. So even in the controlled drugs cabinet there was ample room. The actual warehouse capacity was immense. The are the 2nd largest drug manufacturer in the UK (by value). When exactly did you work in the industry, and what did you do? I’m not going to give you my cv, please respect my online privacy. But I did everything from dispensing raw materials, granulation, compression, and all forms of tablet coating. I even did printing tablets, and started out packing them ready to go out." I just find it strange that you named a company that hasn't existed in nearly 20 years, and hadn't heard of the 2nd largest drug manufacturer in the UK. But hey, this isn't about you, this is about what a publicly traded company (FTSE100) is doing. It's been reported in the news that they have already spent £40m on their Brexit plans, and are stockpiling medicines. Is that true, or is it fake news? | |||
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"another remoaners scare storey then.... So are AstraZenca increasing their stockpile or not? Who? Sorry but I never heard of them and don’t care. However, if they are stockpiling then it might just be that the drugs they are buying are cheap right now, and they are expecting the prices to go up. I remember one firm I worked for making Oramorph, batch after batch with no order or dispatch date. Two years later an order came, and the tablets were ready to go. So even in the controlled drugs cabinet there was ample room. The actual warehouse capacity was immense." Who? they are only the 2nd largest pharmaceutical company in the UK, with a turnover of over 16 billion, so they alone turn over more than the annual cost of EU membership. And employ about 60,000 people, or about the entire population of Loughborough. Them. Even if it is the case they are buying now to stockpile because the price might go up... well done Brexit. -Matt | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. " Ahh yes, the Weatherspoons pub thread in which you were jumping for joy that they will only be selling British 'Champagne' now. For which you were rightly ridiculed. But yes, I'm sure we might be able to get license to manufacture some of these drugs here. But at what cost? Why would that be any cheaper than importing them? I mean, if it was, we'd already be doing it, right? But hey, blue passports! -Matt | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. Ahh yes, the Weatherspoons pub thread in which you were jumping for joy that they will only be selling British 'Champagne' now. For which you were rightly ridiculed. But yes, I'm sure we might be able to get license to manufacture some of these drugs here. But at what cost? Why would that be any cheaper than importing them? I mean, if it was, we'd already be doing it, right? But hey, blue passports! -Matt" Go back and read the Wetherspoon thread again, I never once said they would only be selling British Champagne, mainly because Britain doesn't make any Champagne. I said Wetherspoons would be selling British and Australian Sparkling wine, instead of EU Champagne, and beers from around the world outside of the the EU. | |||
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"another remoaners scare storey then.... Written by someone who can’t even spell pharmacies. Pharmaceutical manufacturing is doing very well right now, and with the low pound they are exporting even more than before. Remoaners jumping on any “evidence” that BREXIT is a tragedy, even though it hasn’t happened yet. I’m looking forward to the chance to say I told you so when the UK becomes more successful after gaining our independence." Picking up on spelling is a low blow. The *evidence* is a company saying they are making contingency plans because of brexit. You’re right, it hasn’t happened. It doesn’t prove brexit is definitely going to be bad. But it’s not a good sign. Taking your washing in doesn’t mean it will rain. But it suggests you think the chance it’s gonna rain has increased. | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. Ahh yes, the Weatherspoons pub thread in which you were jumping for joy that they will only be selling British 'Champagne' now. For which you were rightly ridiculed. But yes, I'm sure we might be able to get license to manufacture some of these drugs here. But at what cost? Why would that be any cheaper than importing them? I mean, if it was, we'd already be doing it, right? But hey, blue passports! -Matt" Just another Project Fear scare story. I have not noticed any downward pressure on the share price of the major pharma companies. It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any negative impact on the pharma industry. | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. Ahh yes, the Weatherspoons pub thread in which you were jumping for joy that they will only be selling British 'Champagne' now. For which you were rightly ridiculed. But yes, I'm sure we might be able to get license to manufacture some of these drugs here. But at what cost? Why would that be any cheaper than importing them? I mean, if it was, we'd already be doing it, right? But hey, blue passports! -Matt Just another Project Fear scare story. I have not noticed any downward pressure on the share price of the major pharma companies. It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any negative impact on the pharma industry. " Is this coming from a place of research and knowledge ? A quick google of “pharmaceutical brexit” yielded an analysis from pec https://www.pwc.co.uk/pharmaceuticals-life-sciences/assets/brexit-for-pharma-and-is-global-flyer.pdf "Throughout the life cycle of a medicine, medical device or medical digital technology, European regulations govern processes, including following their launch. For example, clinical trials in the EU must comply with the Clinical Trials Directive, soon to be replaced by the Clinical Trials Regulation. This new regulation will apply from 2018 and aims to more easily facilitate large pan- European trials. However, should the UK no longer be governed by the Clinical Trials Regulation, UK involvement in these trials may become more difficult and costly. Ultimately this could result in companies choosing not to include the UK in trial design, or to include UK at a later stage only. The Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is responsible for UK regulation – implementing many European Regulations and Directives. The MHRA and other UK bodies currently have significant influence in shaping European regulations, setting the European and even global standard. The level of this influence will be impacted by the type of deal UK and EU reach. The European Medicines Agency (EMA), which is to relocate to Amsterdam following Brexit, is responsible for European regulation of medicines. This includes the centralised authorisation procedure for licensing medicines. This grants a single marketing authorisation for all EU and EEA countries. Should the UK government decide not to join the EEA upon leaving the EU, the UK will no longer be a part of this process. The MHRA will then need to perform the same task, requiring companies to submit a separate UK marketing authorisation application. However, this increased demand on the MHRA could result in a slower authorisation procedure, and as a result, slower UK market access. Furthermore, the MHRA currently undertakes an estimated 30% of EMA casework. Without the capacity and expertise of the MHRA, the European regulatory system may also experience delays and disruption. On leaving the EU, if the UK is not covered by the Unitary Patent, they would be denied access to Europe’s Unified Patent Court (UPC), which could result in potentially lengthier and more costly patent disputes for companies. The UPC for Life Sciences is currently planned to open in London, but this location decision may now be revisited." | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. Ahh yes, the Weatherspoons pub thread in which you were jumping for joy that they will only be selling British 'Champagne' now. For which you were rightly ridiculed. But yes, I'm sure we might be able to get license to manufacture some of these drugs here. But at what cost? Why would that be any cheaper than importing them? I mean, if it was, we'd already be doing it, right? But hey, blue passports! -Matt Just another Project Fear scare story. I have not noticed any downward pressure on the share price of the major pharma companies. It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any negative impact on the pharma industry. " Are you denying the fact that AstraZeneca have spent £40m on their Brexit plans and are stockpiling medicines? If that truly is project fear, wouldn't you have expected their share price to take a massive hit for wasting £40m that they could have paid out to shareholders? If there hasn't been a hit to their share price as a result of this news, then it proves the market believes this to be a prudent and sensible measure, and not project fear at all. So which is it? Massive share price hit for wasting money on project fear? Or a stable share price for sensible measure? | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. Ahh yes, the Weatherspoons pub thread in which you were jumping for joy that they will only be selling British 'Champagne' now. For which you were rightly ridiculed. But yes, I'm sure we might be able to get license to manufacture some of these drugs here. But at what cost? Why would that be any cheaper than importing them? I mean, if it was, we'd already be doing it, right? But hey, blue passports! -Matt Just another Project Fear scare story. I have not noticed any downward pressure on the share price of the major pharma companies. It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any negative impact on the pharma industry. " Because of the rise of the FTSE 100 since the Brexit vote in 2016, in fact breaking many FTSE 100 records, the British pharmaceutical companies in the FTSE 100 have done quite well out of it so far. | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. Ahh yes, the Weatherspoons pub thread in which you were jumping for joy that they will only be selling British 'Champagne' now. For which you were rightly ridiculed. But yes, I'm sure we might be able to get license to manufacture some of these drugs here. But at what cost? Why would that be any cheaper than importing them? I mean, if it was, we'd already be doing it, right? But hey, blue passports! -Matt Go back and read the Wetherspoon thread again, I never once said they would only be selling British Champagne, mainly because Britain doesn't make any Champagne. I said Wetherspoons would be selling British and Australian Sparkling wine, instead of EU Champagne, and beers from around the world outside of the the EU. " Yes, hence the quotes around "Champagne" -Matt | |||
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"another remoaners scare storey then.... So are AstraZenca increasing their stockpile or not? Who? Sorry but I never heard of them and don’t care. " Ignorance - it is a hell of a drug. | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. Ahh yes, the Weatherspoons pub thread in which you were jumping for joy that they will only be selling British 'Champagne' now. For which you were rightly ridiculed. But yes, I'm sure we might be able to get license to manufacture some of these drugs here. But at what cost? Why would that be any cheaper than importing them? I mean, if it was, we'd already be doing it, right? But hey, blue passports! -Matt Just another Project Fear scare story. I have not noticed any downward pressure on the share price of the major pharma companies. It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any negative impact on the pharma industry. Because of the rise of the FTSE 100 since the Brexit vote in 2016, in fact breaking many FTSE 100 records, the British pharmaceutical companies in the FTSE 100 have done quite well out of it so far. " Oh, god, we are back here again are we? Do we need to explain to you AGAIN that the majority of the FTSE 100 companies report in USD and the Pound tanked? Yes the pound has slowly climbed since. -Matt | |||
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"another remoaners scare storey then.... Written by someone who can’t even spell pharmacies. " Written by someone for whom English is not their native language. -Matt | |||
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"Can't wait for a blue passport ..will make me feel British again ..not eu ....x" I don't give a f@@@ what colour my passport is as long as it allows me to travel wherever I damn well choose. My sense of britishness has never been defined by the colour of the cover of my passport because Im not that shallow..... | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. Ahh yes, the Weatherspoons pub thread in which you were jumping for joy that they will only be selling British 'Champagne' now. For which you were rightly ridiculed. But yes, I'm sure we might be able to get license to manufacture some of these drugs here. But at what cost? Why would that be any cheaper than importing them? I mean, if it was, we'd already be doing it, right? But hey, blue passports! -Matt Just another Project Fear scare story. I have not noticed any downward pressure on the share price of the major pharma companies. It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any negative impact on the pharma industry. Are you denying the fact that AstraZeneca have spent £40m on their Brexit plans and are stockpiling medicines? If that truly is project fear, wouldn't you have expected their share price to take a massive hit for wasting £40m that they could have paid out to shareholders? If there hasn't been a hit to their share price as a result of this news, then it proves the market believes this to be a prudent and sensible measure, and not project fear at all. So which is it? Massive share price hit for wasting money on project fear? Or a stable share price for sensible measure? " 40m is less than 1% of revenue | |||
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"Can't wait for a blue passport ..will make me feel British again ..not eu ....x I don't give a f@@@ what colour my passport is as long as it allows me to travel wherever I damn well choose. My sense of britishness has never been defined by the colour of the cover of my passport because Im not that shallow....." I know, it is very strange. I'm not sure why so many people aspire to having an American-style blue passport. -Matt | |||
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"One that has brains lol ....yes I voted and proud to be English...ask a Frenchman is he eu or french...even u won't like the answer ....remember 52 ..48 all I need to know u lost ...shame move on get over it xxx" You must be very weak character if your identity isn't internalised. | |||
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"Just about every drug that is already available can be made in UK pharmaceutical factories. Branded medicines are a scam, the generic versions are just as good, sometimes identicle. Then there is the lucrative licence business. Pharma companies are not going to stop selling these to British factories. More scaremongering from rabid remoaners... OK. Where about in the UK will we obtain Technetium-99 for the diagnosis of cancer? We have literally thousands of pharmaceutical manufacturers nationwide, many export just as much as they make for the domestic market. Companies like Smithcline Beacham, they can buy the licence to make anything, and if foreign pharmas cannot sell directly, they will allow British manufacturers to buy the licence to make them here. They would be crazy not to. I worked for years in the industry, I know how it works.. I posted a thread recently about the Wetherspoons pub chain stocking less EU alcohol, wine and beer. Some remainers said we'd have to import more beer from outside the EU like Budweiser and Fosters. Budweiser and Fosters along with many other beers are brewed here in the UK on licence. Same principle applies to pharmaceuticals, there is no reason why UK pharmaceutical companies cannot make some of these foreign drugs here in the UK on licence. Ahh yes, the Weatherspoons pub thread in which you were jumping for joy that they will only be selling British 'Champagne' now. For which you were rightly ridiculed. But yes, I'm sure we might be able to get license to manufacture some of these drugs here. But at what cost? Why would that be any cheaper than importing them? I mean, if it was, we'd already be doing it, right? But hey, blue passports! -Matt Just another Project Fear scare story. I have not noticed any downward pressure on the share price of the major pharma companies. It is difficult to see why Brexit would have any negative impact on the pharma industry. Are you denying the fact that AstraZeneca have spent £40m on their Brexit plans and are stockpiling medicines? If that truly is project fear, wouldn't you have expected their share price to take a massive hit for wasting £40m that they could have paid out to shareholders? If there hasn't been a hit to their share price as a result of this news, then it proves the market believes this to be a prudent and sensible measure, and not project fear at all. So which is it? Massive share price hit for wasting money on project fear? Or a stable share price for sensible measure? 40m is less than 1% of revenue " How about answering the question? | |||
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"One that has brains lol ....yes I voted and proud to be English...ask a Frenchman is he eu or french...even u won't like the answer ....remember 52 ..48 all I need to know u lost ...shame move on get over it xxx" A big round of applause for democracy. The sheeple have spoken. | |||
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" How about answering the question? " The answer is implied, A single relatively small expense won't massively swing the price and if it did, it would pull back quickly. Markets are irrational in any case and often respond in the opposite direction to good or bad news. | |||
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" How about answering the question? The answer is implied, A single relatively small expense won't massively swing the price and if it did, it would pull back quickly. Markets are irrational in any case and often respond in the opposite direction to good or bad news. " Just so we are clear, you think the market doesn't care if a company wastes £40m? | |||
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" How about answering the question? The answer is implied, A single relatively small expense won't massively swing the price and if it did, it would pull back quickly. Markets are irrational in any case and often respond in the opposite direction to good or bad news. Just so we are clear, you think the market doesn't care if a company wastes £40m? "In the grand scheme of things, probably not to any significance that you would notice on market prices. -Matt | |||
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" How about answering the question? The answer is implied, A single relatively small expense won't massively swing the price and if it did, it would pull back quickly. Markets are irrational in any case and often respond in the opposite direction to good or bad news. Just so we are clear, you think the market doesn't care if a company wastes £40m?
In the grand scheme of things, probably not to any significance that you would notice on market prices.
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" How about answering the question? The answer is implied, A single relatively small expense won't massively swing the price and if it did, it would pull back quickly. Markets are irrational in any case and often respond in the opposite direction to good or bad news. Just so we are clear, you think the market doesn't care if a company wastes £40m?
In the grand scheme of things, probably not to any significance that you would notice on market prices.
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Coupled with "needlessly" stockpiling medicines? Still no impact?"I think as a whole, combined with everything else happening in Brexit there will be an effect, yes. But I don't think "Company wastes £40M of funds" as a single event or issue would have that much effect on the market. -Matt | |||
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"One that has brains lol ....yes I voted and proud to be English...ask a Frenchman is he eu or french...even u won't like the answer ....remember 52 ..48 all I need to know u lost ...shame move on get over it xxx" Let’s just hope that you don’t get ill then.... because that attitude doesn’t really reflect well on you! I would not like to think anyone life would have been lost that could have been saved if not for the pompous stubborn attitudes of some! That is why the government got defeated on the “medicine amendment” on Tuesday | |||
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"I always know a weak weak person when they revert to personal insults ...weak x" Having seen the inside of an ICU when I had viral pneumonia ( if you have read the Richard bacon story in the last couple of weeks, we had the same thing except I had it in one lung, he had it in both) I would honestly not wish something serious on anyone... ... but if people with such bullish opinions and attitude are left in charge I bet a “well we couldn’t get the drug in time” story will end up happening... and I don’t care whether that person voted for brexit or not... one life lost because of this process is going to be one too many! | |||
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