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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I have been watching here for the last few days watching posts about

Protest about trump in London .

Brexit ,

And even death penalty in India ,

Meanwhile northern Ireland is in uproar , last night alone 70 petrol bombs thrown at police ,

4 arrested one for attempted murder ,

Police firing batton rounds at civilians involved in violence ,

Cars being hijacked and burnt out on the streets !

I makes me ask the question dose any one in mainland UK give a fuck about northern Ireland ?

Why cry about the possibility of the union breaking up when the suggestion of a United ireland is brought up ?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, uk dont care about northern ireland, hence why they might override the good friday agreement with brexit with a no deal.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Its the 12th, theres always violence. Its Protestant bigotry day, even plenty of protestants hate it but the bitter minority will still keep marching and making bonfires burning Irish imagery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a post up about this a few days ago. As long as sectarian marches are permitted like this then you will always have unrest. Stand up to them and ban their marches. What are they going to do? They might have a week of angry and possibly violent protests but in five years time it'll be all finished. Keep permitting these marches and you're going to see this violence forever. Stand up to them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I had a post up about this a few days ago. As long as sectarian marches are permitted like this then you will always have unrest. Stand up to them and ban their marches. What are they going to do? They might have a week of angry and possibly violent protests but in five years time it'll be all finished. Keep permitting these marches and you're going to see this violence forever. Stand up to them. "

I don't think it's a solution , northern ireland has a history of oppression , if we are to learn from the mistake of the past oppression of minority groups don't work ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had a post up about this a few days ago. As long as sectarian marches are permitted like this then you will always have unrest. Stand up to them and ban their marches. What are they going to do? They might have a week of angry and possibly violent protests but in five years time it'll be all finished. Keep permitting these marches and you're going to see this violence forever. Stand up to them. "

I agree...it's like a preordained day out for bigots. If they don't stop this "custom" then future generations will never learn to love thy neighbour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had a post up about this a few days ago. As long as sectarian marches are permitted like this then you will always have unrest. Stand up to them and ban their marches. What are they going to do? They might have a week of angry and possibly violent protests but in five years time it'll be all finished. Keep permitting these marches and you're going to see this violence forever. Stand up to them.

I don't think it's a solution , northern ireland has a history of oppression , if we are to learn from the mistake of the past oppression of minority groups don't work ,"

What oppression?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a place you need to understand before anyone can judge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's not much understanding granted for violence and hatred.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had a post up about this a few days ago. As long as sectarian marches are permitted like this then you will always have unrest. Stand up to them and ban their marches. What are they going to do? They might have a week of angry and possibly violent protests but in five years time it'll be all finished. Keep permitting these marches and you're going to see this violence forever. Stand up to them.

I don't think it's a solution , northern ireland has a history of oppression , if we are to learn from the mistake of the past oppression of minority groups don't work ,"

Are you actually from the island of Ireland or just visiting? The orange order were set up to keep the protestant ascendancy in Ireland. Look at how the protestant ascendancy treated the Catholic population. There was never oppression of the protestants in the north. There was violent acts against but they were always in power and really oppressed the Catholic community. Nowadays that's over and its time to build bridges. A step that has to be taken is banning sectarian marches, bonfires or any public display of sectarianism. It wouldn't be tolerated against Islam, Judaism etc... Imagine the Irish community in London deciding to march down streets seeing IRA songs, anti British songs and had a huge bonfire burning pictures of the Queen and her family and British flags. They would get some beatings and rightly so but it wouldn't be allowed in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had a post up about this a few days ago. As long as sectarian marches are permitted like this then you will always have unrest. Stand up to them and ban their marches. What are they going to do? They might have a week of angry and possibly violent protests but in five years time it'll be all finished. Keep permitting these marches and you're going to see this violence forever. Stand up to them.

I don't think it's a solution , northern ireland has a history of oppression , if we are to learn from the mistake of the past oppression of minority groups don't work ,

Are you actually from the island of Ireland or just visiting? The orange order were set up to keep the protestant ascendancy in Ireland. Look at how the protestant ascendancy treated the Catholic population. There was never oppression of the protestants in the north. There was violent acts against but they were always in power and really oppressed the Catholic community. Nowadays that's over and its time to build bridges. A step that has to be taken is banning sectarian marches, bonfires or any public display of sectarianism. It wouldn't be tolerated against Islam, Judaism etc... Imagine the Irish community in London deciding to march down streets seeing IRA songs, anti British songs and had a huge bonfire burning pictures of the Queen and her family and British flags. They would get some beatings and rightly so but it wouldn't be allowed in the first place. "

I agree completely

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

I cant understand unionists, I met an old unionist in donegal a few years back, he was covered in union jack tattoos and god save the queen tatts, i asked him was he not conscious of the fact that he was in donegal and he didnt give a fuck and asked me did his tatts bother me. He then told me how he had lots of catholic friends and we chatted for a bit and he was actually quite sound, i asked him had he been to england and he said never! I told him brits would hear his accent and just label him a paddy and wouldnt give a shit if he thought he was british and he couldn't comprehend that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have been watching here for the last few days watching posts about

Protest about trump in London .

Brexit ,

And even death penalty in India ,

Meanwhile northern Ireland is in uproar , last night alone 70 petrol bombs thrown at police ,

4 arrested one for attempted murder ,

Police firing batton rounds at civilians involved in violence ,

Cars being hijacked and burnt out on the streets !

I makes me ask the question dose any one in mainland UK give a fuck about northern Ireland ?

Why cry about the possibility of the union breaking up when the suggestion of a United ireland is brought up ?????"
The answer to your question is very simple. The amount of money that the UK government pumps into Northern Ireland proves that they care a lot.

In relation to any issues that occur during marches I am sure that the police are more than capable of dealing with them.

I am in Belfast now and it is a lot safer than most parts of the UK. Northern Ireland has always had a very low crime rate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always?

That's some bullshit.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"I have been watching here for the last few days watching posts about

Protest about trump in London .

Brexit ,

And even death penalty in India ,

Meanwhile northern Ireland is in uproar , last night alone 70 petrol bombs thrown at police ,

4 arrested one for attempted murder ,

Police firing batton rounds at civilians involved in violence ,

Cars being hijacked and burnt out on the streets !

I makes me ask the question dose any one in mainland UK give a fuck about northern Ireland ?

Why cry about the possibility of the union breaking up when the suggestion of a United ireland is brought up ????? The answer to your question is very simple. The amount of money that the UK government pumps into Northern Ireland proves that they care a lot.

In relation to any issues that occur during marches I am sure that the police are more than capable of dealing with them.

I am in Belfast now and it is a lot safer than most parts of the UK. Northern Ireland has always had a very low crime rate.

"

Are 200 petrol bombs one of those many many many things that are difficult for you to see?

Can you point out the last time 200 petrol bombs were used in a week in another part of the UK?

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By *orflondonerMan
over a year ago

Wood Green


"Its the 12th, theres always violence. Its Protestant bigotry day, even plenty of protestants hate it but the bitter minority will still keep marching and making bonfires burning Irish imagery."

Most of the violence that has been going on the past several weeks has been Catholic attacks on the fountain estate in in Londonderry. Hardly protestant bigotry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have been watching here for the last few days watching posts about

Protest about trump in London .

Brexit ,

And even death penalty in India ,

Meanwhile northern Ireland is in uproar , last night alone 70 petrol bombs thrown at police ,

4 arrested one for attempted murder ,

Police firing batton rounds at civilians involved in violence ,

Cars being hijacked and burnt out on the streets !

I makes me ask the question dose any one in mainland UK give a fuck about northern Ireland ?

Why cry about the possibility of the union breaking up when the suggestion of a United ireland is brought up ????? The answer to your question is very simple. The amount of money that the UK government pumps into Northern Ireland proves that they care a lot.

In relation to any issues that occur during marches I am sure that the police are more than capable of dealing with them.

I am in Belfast now and it is a lot safer than most parts of the UK. Northern Ireland has always had a very low crime rate.

Are 200 petrol bombs one of those many many many things that are difficult for you to see?

Can you point out the last time 200 petrol bombs were used in a week in another part of the UK?"
If you are wishing to make a comparison to damage done , compare the events of the last few days ( in a very small number of areas in Northern Ireland) where as far as I am aware no one was seriously injured to the number of people killed in London alone this year in drug related gang fights . Events in Northern Ireland fade into insigifence when compared to the number of deaths in London.

Northern Ireland has a low crime rate and is a very safe place to live .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is that weighted per capita?

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By *en6666Man
over a year ago

portadown

The marching season in northern ireland brings in more than 8 milliin pounds into the country no one ever mentions that! How much has the ira brought into the country?? O thats right none!! I will amit there is always good and bad on both sides but i know for a fact that the protestants that cause the whole trouble over the so called 1 day (12th) they come out once a year, there is 100s of parades through the year with none casuing trouble apart from the 1 day prods, every relgion has its right to celebrate there culture but theres always the select few who ruin it on both sides, even st patricks day is runied ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The marching season in northern ireland brings in more than 8 milliin pounds into the country no one ever mentions that! How much has the ira brought into the country?? O thats right none!! I will amit there is always good and bad on both sides but i know for a fact that the protestants that cause the whole trouble over the so called 1 day (12th) they come out once a year, there is 100s of parades through the year with none casuing trouble apart from the 1 day prods, every relgion has its right to celebrate there culture but theres always the select few who ruin it on both sides, even st patricks day is runied ffs "

They are marching to intimidate and glorify sectarian bigotry about killing Catholics and you think thats ok because it brings in 8millon pounds?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The marching season in northern ireland brings in more than 8 milliin pounds into the country no one ever mentions that! How much has the ira brought into the country?? O thats right none!! I will amit there is always good and bad on both sides but i know for a fact that the protestants that cause the whole trouble over the so called 1 day (12th) they come out once a year, there is 100s of parades through the year with none casuing trouble apart from the 1 day prods, every relgion has its right to celebrate there culture but theres always the select few who ruin it on both sides, even st patricks day is runied ffs "

Where does this 8 mil come from ? I get paddy’s day is a tourist attraction. Do people come in far and wide for marching ? Or is it like the WOrld Cup where it’s locals spending more ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The marching season in northern ireland brings in more than 8 milliin pounds into the country no one ever mentions that! How much has the ira brought into the country?? O thats right none!! I will amit there is always good and bad on both sides but i know for a fact that the protestants that cause the whole trouble over the so called 1 day (12th) they come out once a year, there is 100s of parades through the year with none casuing trouble apart from the 1 day prods, every relgion has its right to celebrate there culture but theres always the select few who ruin it on both sides, even st patricks day is runied ffs

Where does this 8 mil come from ? I get paddy’s day is a tourist attraction. Do people come in far and wide for marching ? Or is it like the WOrld Cup where it’s locals spending more ?"

Marching season is nothing to do with St patrick day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The marching season in northern ireland brings in more than 8 milliin pounds into the country no one ever mentions that! How much has the ira brought into the country?? O thats right none!! I will amit there is always good and bad on both sides but i know for a fact that the protestants that cause the whole trouble over the so called 1 day (12th) they come out once a year, there is 100s of parades through the year with none casuing trouble apart from the 1 day prods, every relgion has its right to celebrate there culture but theres always the select few who ruin it on both sides, even st patricks day is runied ffs

Where does this 8 mil come from ? I get paddy’s day is a tourist attraction. Do people come in far and wide for marching ? Or is it like the WOrld Cup where it’s locals spending more ?

Marching season is nothing to do with St patrick day. "

Yeah, I get that. But who is spending the money in marching season?

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

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By *madeus999Man
over a year ago

Greater Manchester

That's why so many people leave Northern Ireland to live in England, folk get tired of it all. Sure if you put a union jack flag round the neck of a Belfast zoo monkey, the Protestants will vote for him!, and vice versa with the Catholic side. I do love the accent!, when Belfast folk say, "What's the situation?", cracks me up.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"Its the 12th, theres always violence. Its Protestant bigotry day, even plenty of protestants hate it but the bitter minority will still keep marching and making bonfires burning Irish imagery."

It was the nationalists doing the rioting, not those marching.

Whereas today it's the nationalists burning symbols of unionism and protestants in Newry and Protestants intimidating Catholics in areas of Belfast.Violence here is not one sided; the Irish pretending it is is hardly going to persuade unionists to peaceably accept a united Ireland.

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By *madeus999Man
over a year ago

Greater Manchester

I blame the consumption of Soda Bread and Tayto Cheese and Onion crisps!!!, Sticking Out!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its the 12th, theres always violence. Its Protestant bigotry day, even plenty of protestants hate it but the bitter minority will still keep marching and making bonfires burning Irish imagery.

It was the nationalists doing the rioting, not those marching.

Whereas today it's the nationalists burning symbols of unionism and protestants in Newry and Protestants intimidating Catholics in areas of Belfast.Violence here is not one sided; the Irish pretending it is is hardly going to persuade unionists to peaceably accept a united Ireland."

Very true its both sides

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The marching season in northern ireland brings in more than 8 milliin pounds into the country no one ever mentions that! How much has the ira brought into the country?? O thats right none!! I will amit there is always good and bad on both sides but i know for a fact that the protestants that cause the whole trouble over the so called 1 day (12th) they come out once a year, there is 100s of parades through the year with none casuing trouble apart from the 1 day prods, every relgion has its right to celebrate there culture but theres always the select few who ruin it on both sides, even st patricks day is runied ffs

Where does this 8 mil come from ? I get paddy’s day is a tourist attraction. Do people come in far and wide for marching ? Or is it like the WOrld Cup where it’s locals spending more ?

Marching season is nothing to do with St patrick day.

Yeah, I get that. But who is spending the money in marching season?"

Lots is Scottish people head over for the marches. Plus the sale of booze goes up too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The marching season in northern ireland brings in more than 8 milliin pounds into the country no one ever mentions that! How much has the ira brought into the country?? O thats right none!! I will amit there is always good and bad on both sides but i know for a fact that the protestants that cause the whole trouble over the so called 1 day (12th) they come out once a year, there is 100s of parades through the year with none casuing trouble apart from the 1 day prods, every relgion has its right to celebrate there culture but theres always the select few who ruin it on both sides, even st patricks day is runied ffs

Where does this 8 mil come from ? I get paddy’s day is a tourist attraction. Do people come in far and wide for marching ? Or is it like the WOrld Cup where it’s locals spending more ?

Marching season is nothing to do with St patrick day.

Yeah, I get that. But who is spending the money in marching season?

Lots is Scottish people head over for the marches. Plus the sale of booze goes up too."
Ta. Are the two linked ? (Jk)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes i am concerned about Northern Ireland., enough to say peace over there is more important than brexit.

If Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams can become friends as ive seen pics of them joking and laughing together then there's hope yet

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By *en6666Man
over a year ago

portadown

Very simple there are 100s of marching bands, so for example take a band of 40 members each uniform cost around £600 thats £24k to a local business, thats say they have 12 drums at £550 each thats £6600 to another local business, they have 30 flutes at £150 each thats £4500 to another local business list goes on,

So this band now holds there annual parade in there home town and say they get 40 band to there parade on average there could be 25 buses hired by other bands at around £250-£350 each again money to local business

The town is now full of supporters who may now need some food so the local chippys/take outs are now full including there tills more money to local business, local shops now full with people looking just a drink bar of choc and so on more money to local business and of course its been mentioned the bar and carryouts full more money to local business the list goes on and thats just an example of 1 band and its parade there is 100s throught the year with no trouble apart from any parade envolving the orange order

And for tourism there is many bands and supporters from scotland liverpool and london who make the short trip across the sea maybe 2_3 times a month,

Bands also donate £1000s to local charitys each yearfor all religions but no 1 ever mentions that

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

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By *ombikerMan
over a year ago

the right side of the river

I wonder if it was like the Particks day parades that have to include all groups because of equality etc, and a bit of gay pride etc how would that effect the mood of the 12th marches

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"I had a post up about this a few days ago. As long as sectarian marches are permitted like this then you will always have unrest. Stand up to them and ban their marches. What are they going to do? They might have a week of angry and possibly violent protests but in five years time it'll be all finished. Keep permitting these marches and you're going to see this violence forever. Stand up to them.

I don't think it's a solution , northern ireland has a history of oppression , if we are to learn from the mistake of the past oppression of minority groups don't work ,

Are you actually from the island of Ireland or just visiting? The orange order were set up to keep the protestant ascendancy in Ireland. Look at how the protestant ascendancy treated the Catholic population. There was never oppression of the protestants in the north. There was violent acts against but they were always in power and really oppressed the Catholic community. Nowadays that's over and its time to build bridges. A step that has to be taken is banning sectarian marches, bonfires or any public display of sectarianism. It wouldn't be tolerated against Islam, Judaism etc... Imagine the Irish community in London deciding to march down streets seeing IRA songs, anti British songs and had a huge bonfire burning pictures of the Queen and her family and British flags. They would get some beatings and rightly so but it wouldn't be allowed in the first place. "

You need to check your history before you come out with comments such as "there was no oppression of Protestants". To go back a long way,the main reason for Cromwell coming to Ireland was to stop the slaughter of protestant settlers by the native catholic population. Non Anglican protestants e.g. Presbyterians were unable to take government posts etc in 19th century Ireland. In post partition Ireland people that were in the British armed forces during WW1 and WW2 were unable to get government jobs.That was only changed in the last few years.

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By *en6666Man
over a year ago

portadown

The 12th of july parades is enjoyed by all, i no first hand of 7 catholic family who never miss the parade they love the atmosphere and have many friends over the years, the parade is quite equal to all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The 12th of july parades is enjoyed by all, i no first hand of 7 catholic family who never miss the parade they love the atmosphere and have many friends over the years, the parade is quite equal to all "

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"The 12th of july parades is enjoyed by all, i no first hand of 7 catholic family who never miss the parade they love the atmosphere and have many friends over the years, the parade is quite equal to all "

Well said. I'm no apologist for Loyalist violence but the "trouble" arising around mid July was nationalist inspired. To blame the orange order for the violence is perverse; it's not even at them that the violence has been addressed.

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By *en6666Man
over a year ago

portadown


"The 12th of july parades is enjoyed by all, i no first hand of 7 catholic family who never miss the parade they love the atmosphere and have many friends over the years, the parade is quite equal to all

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

Problem?

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

Since the violence around mid July only got aired on National tv after the attempted murder of a policeman, any view from people outside NI is bound to be based on partial information. Would any NI based Nationalists like to try and defend the firebombing of the residential dementia care home or the pensioners in the Fountain estate of Londonderry in the week prior to the 12th?

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