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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Is the teaching of history important? I'm hearing the Irish government have decided history should no longer be a compulsory subject for first to third years in secondary school. So roughly the ages of 11/12 to 14/15.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Is the teaching of history important? I'm hearing the Irish government have decided history should no longer be a compulsory subject for first to third years in secondary school. So roughly the ages of 11/12 to 14/15. "

Incredibly important. The best way to learn is from ither people's mistakes!

Is this really true in Ireland or is it specific topics that will become optional?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its being made optional at all stages of secondary education (it was previously compulsory at junior level, optional at senior)

It is still compulsory for primary education.

It's worth noting that the Junior curriculum isn't a deep dive into history, that's left to the Senior level. It's a bit more I'm depth than it's primary counterpart, but nobody should be under the illusion that as things stood Irish students were leaving secondary education with a reasonable understanding of history unless the opted to do so.

So in that sense, nothing will change.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Its being made optional at all stages of secondary education (it was previously compulsory at junior level, optional at senior)

It is still compulsory for primary education.

It's worth noting that the Junior curriculum isn't a deep dive into history, that's left to the Senior level. It's a bit more I'm depth than it's primary counterpart, but nobody should be under the illusion that as things stood Irish students were leaving secondary education with a reasonable understanding of history unless the opted to do so.

So in that sense, nothing will change."

Not really that different to most countries. That's why we see history repeating again and again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's also worth noting that junior level history is only compulsory at 50% of Irish secondary schools (which was news to me - not sure how that's possible for a compulsory subject) yet sees about a 90% take up rate.

I guess they're pretty confident in the appeal of the course regardless.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's also worth noting that junior level history is only compulsory at 50% of Irish secondary schools (which was news to me - not sure how that's possible for a compulsory subject) yet sees about a 90% take up rate.

I guess they're pretty confident in the appeal of the course regardless."

I actually don't know a school where it isn't compulsory at junior level so surprising to me too. I think if people don't do it at junior level they more than likely won't take it up at senior level and with how competitive the world is now history could take a back foot to sciences, languages, business studies etc... Which is fair enough but I do value history, national and international.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

When I was in school (England), history was only compulsory up to Yr 9, after that it was optional, if I remember correctly.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"When I was in school (England), history was only compulsory up to Yr 9, after that it was optional, if I remember correctly. "

It's optional in your final two years of school in Ireland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When I was in school (England), history was only compulsory up to Yr 9, after that it was optional, if I remember correctly. "

Same.

I do question what they teach though. All I can recall is the timeline of WW2, WW1 and a brief history of Britain. Largely wasted hours imo.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"When I was in school (England), history was only compulsory up to Yr 9, after that it was optional, if I remember correctly.

Same.

I do question what they teach though. All I can recall is the timeline of WW2, WW1 and a brief history of Britain. Largely wasted hours imo."

Well the problem with history is there is just so much of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When I was in school (England), history was only compulsory up to Yr 9, after that it was optional, if I remember correctly.

Same.

I do question what they teach though. All I can recall is the timeline of WW2, WW1 and a brief history of Britain. Largely wasted hours imo.

Well the problem with history is there is just so much of it. "

Idk, I think teaching young kids about a general history of the West focusing on political theory, philosophy, medicine and infastructure is more relevant

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"When I was in school (England), history was only compulsory up to Yr 9, after that it was optional, if I remember correctly.

Same.

I do question what they teach though. All I can recall is the timeline of WW2, WW1 and a brief history of Britain. Largely wasted hours imo.

Well the problem with history is there is just so much of it.

Idk, I think teaching young kids about a general history of the West focusing on political theory, philosophy, medicine and infastructure is more relevant "

That is a SHIT load of stuff!

A general history of the West? What would that include? French revolution(s)? American independence? US Civil War? The Roman and Greek Empires? Russia Revolution? Facism and Communism? Industrial Revolution? The Empires of the UK, France, Spain, the Netherlands? The Moorish Invasion of Spain? The Gauls, Celts, Vikings?

Infrastructure? Transiberian Railway? The Silk Road? Victorian underground and plumbing? Nuclear Power? Renewable energy? Telecoms? Autobahns?

Medicine? Western? From What year? Arabic? Chinese?

Political Theory? Again, communism and facism? Manifest Destiny? The Green movement? Which country? UK? US? France? EU? Collective defence and alliances?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's also worth noting that junior level history is only compulsory at 50% of Irish secondary schools (which was news to me - not sure how that's possible for a compulsory subject) yet sees about a 90% take up rate.

I guess they're pretty confident in the appeal of the course regardless.

I actually don't know a school where it isn't compulsory at junior level so surprising to me too. I think if people don't do it at junior level they more than likely won't take it up at senior level and with how competitive the world is now history could take a back foot to sciences, languages, business studies etc... Which is fair enough but I do value history, national and international. "

Tbf I did really well in history at Junior Cert but ditched it at leaving cert, because of the stupid amount of writing in that exam.

I think that at that stage people are more trying to game the system than picking subjects they like.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

It's not as important as learning from it - and of being aware who's teaching it to you. As has already been said - it's a massive subject. Luckily, it's still easily accessible after you leave school.

In Our Time, with Melvyn Bragg - Radio4 09.00 to 09.45 on a Thursday (plus the entire archive available on the iPlayerRadio) is a good place to go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When I was in school (England), history was only compulsory up to Yr 9, after that it was optional, if I remember correctly. "

Same here, I dropped Geography & kept History, dropped French & kept German.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I believe history is very important so that we can hopefully learn from passed mistakes.

All modern problems come from history and if polititions payed more attention and knew more history the world would be a better place I am very certain.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

History is important and one day we will all be part of it

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"When I was in school (England), history was only compulsory up to Yr 9, after that it was optional, if I remember correctly.

Same.

I do question what they teach though. All I can recall is the timeline of WW2, WW1 and a brief history of Britain. Largely wasted hours imo.

Well the problem with history is there is just so much of it. "

And the bugger of it is that every single day, there's more added to it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The EU will be history soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The EU will be history soon "

Good job, well done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The EU will be history soon

Good job, well done."

Thanks

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