FabSwingers.com forum: New Customs Arrangement

By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Listening to the news you would think the only people who have to agree the new customs arrangement proposed by May is the British Cabinet. Do you think the EU will accept this new customs arrangement, whatever it is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What if the new customs model is really the friends we made along the way?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I always said that the brexiters would be the most unhappy with the outcome, hearing the stories of Gove physically ripping a paper copy the arrangements to pieces in a meeting seems to highlight that.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

So it's not just about the swivel eyed loons some in the cabinet and some not with their ideological fevered, blinkered vision regardless of the actual impact to the economy..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I always said that the brexiters would be the most unhappy with the outcome, hearing the stories of Gove physically ripping a paper copy the arrangements to pieces in a meeting seems to highlight that. "

That can't be right. Gove can't drink water properly or clap, I can't imagine him managing to rip anything more than a fart.

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

That can't be right. Gove can't drink water properly or clap, I can't imagine him managing to rip anything more than a fart."

I would pay to see video of it!

'Livid' Michael Gove rips up EU customs partnership report - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44668572

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Because Gove is right. We voted to end control by the EU. Why should be get involved in collecting taxes for them. It is a stupid idea from hopeless, hapless, appeaser, Remainer May.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because Gove is right. We voted to end control by the EU. Why should be get involved in collecting taxes for them. It is a stupid idea from hopeless, hapless, appeaser, Remainer May."

Disloyalty to brexit is unforgivable!

Purge the heretics!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because Gove is right. We voted to end control by the EU. Why should be get involved in collecting taxes for them. It is a stupid idea from hopeless, hapless, appeaser, Remainer May.

Disloyalty to brexit is unforgivable!

Purge the heretics!"

Best thing you’ve ever said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because Gove is right. We voted to end control by the EU. Why should be get involved in collecting taxes for them. It is a stupid idea from hopeless, hapless, appeaser, Remainer May.

Disloyalty to brexit is unforgivable!

Purge the heretics!

Best thing you’ve ever said

We should put those disloyal to glorious, god given brexit into camps!

Let them toil to produce innovative jams and marmalades for the glory of brexit!

Suffer not the heretic to live!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because Gove is right. We voted to end control by the EU. Why should be get involved in collecting taxes for them. It is a stupid idea from hopeless, hapless, appeaser, Remainer May.

Disloyalty to brexit is unforgivable!

Purge the heretics!

Best thing you’ve ever said

We should put those disloyal to glorious, god given brexit into camps!

Let them toil to produce innovative jams and marmalades for the glory of brexit!

Suffer not the heretic to live!"

No, just laugh at them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because Gove is right. We voted to end control by the EU. Why should be get involved in collecting taxes for them. It is a stupid idea from hopeless, hapless, appeaser, Remainer May.

Disloyalty to brexit is unforgivable!

Purge the heretics!

Best thing you’ve ever said

We should put those disloyal to glorious, god given brexit into camps!

Let them toil to produce innovative jams and marmalades for the glory of brexit!

Suffer not the heretic to live!

No, just laugh at them "

Aye, they laughed at Cassandra too.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Get over yourself. You're not even in the UK.

Those of us who are, voted for Brexit and that is what is happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Get over yourself. You're not even in the UK.

Those of us who are, voted for Brexit and that is what is happening."

I shall take your words under advisement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Get over yourself. You're not even in the UK.

Those of us who are, voted for Brexit and that is what is happening."

Yeah we’re fucked, a slim majority of you doomed us to a poorer future. The battle is now simply damage limitation.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Only in your incorrect opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only in your incorrect opinion."

Well, that was certainly a robust rebuttal.

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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London

"Get over yourself. You're not even in the UK."

So... if I understand you correctly, anyone outside the UK has no valid opinion on the UK by virtue of their geographic location (let alone hereditary links etc.). I'm sure there would be quite a few fairly amused by this quaint notion (and I am not only talking about ex-pats / contract workers either).

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Get over yourself. You're not even in the UK.

The point is, we don't need some left-wing Remoaner Canadian telling us that we were wrong to vote for Brexit or that Brexit will be a disaster.

Because Canada relies on the USA so much, perhaps he cannot understand the ability of a nation to stand on its own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Get over yourself. You're not even in the UK.

The point is, we don't need some left-wing Remoaner Canadian telling us that we were wrong to vote for Brexit or that Brexit will be a disaster.

Because Canada relies on the USA so much, perhaps he cannot understand the ability of a nation to stand on its own.

You should be aware that a person can live in a place that they are not originally from.

But, please, continue this low grade bitching about Canada. I'm certain it'll eventually pay dividends for you.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

As if I care what you think. I'm in the UK where we will be in charge of our own destiny.

You're in Canada. America's lapdog!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As if I care what you think."

If you didn't, why are you trying so hard to get a rise out of me by attacking my current country of residence?

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"As if I care what you think.

If you didn't, why are you trying so hard to get a rise out of me by attacking my current country of residence?

Because it amuses me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As if I care what you think.

If you didn't, why are you trying so hard to get a rise out of me by attacking my current country of residence?

Because it amuses me. "

Well, as they say, simple pleasures...

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

It's not simple. I just laugh at foreigners who are anti-brexit.

We voted for brexit primarily because we are sick of foreigners.

Just like Austria, Italy, Germany and Hungary are!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not simple. I just laugh at foreigners who are anti-brexit.

We voted for brexit primarily because we are sick of foreigners.

Just like Austria, Italy, Germany and Hungary are!"

But remember, brexit is not a xenophobic overreaction, it's about... Um... Sovereignty?

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"It's not simple. I just laugh at foreigners who are anti-brexit.

We voted for brexit primarily because we are sick of foreigners.

Just like Austria, Italy, Germany and Hungary are!

But remember, brexit is not a xenophobic overreaction, it's about... Um... Sovereignty? "

Sovereignty, and control of our own borders, to keep the rubbish out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not simple. I just laugh at foreigners who are anti-brexit.

We voted for brexit primarily because we are sick of foreigners.

Just like Austria, Italy, Germany and Hungary are!

But remember, brexit is not a xenophobic overreaction, it's about... Um... Sovereignty?

Sovereignty, and control of our own borders, to keep the rubbish out.

Ohh, you mean those things you already had?

Good job!

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

We had neither. That's the point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had neither. That's the point."

The UK always has control of its borders. It had complete control of the immigration from outside the EU, and had mechanism available to it for controlling immigration from within the EU, but chose not to avail of them.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Ever heard of freedom of movement being one the main pillars of the EU. You cannot be in the EU and restrict it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And we'll just ignore that you compared other human beings to 'rubbish', because honestly if you're making that kind of comparison, then you're well past the point of being able to grasp why that's not a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ever heard of freedom of movement being one the main pillars of the EU. You cannot be in the EU and restrict it."

Except that you can.

Members from ascension states can be limited for up to seven or so years, but the UK chose not to.

You're also more than allowed to keep a track of who comes to the UK from the EU and if they've not secured gainful employment within a fixed time, you can send them home.

Once again, the UK chose not to so that.

But hey, you got to have a brexit so you can stick it to the "rubbish", that's better than knowing things, I'm sure.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

It is illegal migrants that we are particularly sick of that we kept being dumped with.

And you can thank our left wing labour government under Bliar for not stopping the ascension migration, because he thought they would vote for him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is illegal migrants that we are particularly sick of that we kept being dumped with.

People cannot be illegal.

And, won't be solved by brexit.

But hey, keep on moving those goalposts.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Illegal immigrants are illegal and Brexit has already stopped it, because they don't want to come anymore, luckily.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is illegal migrants that we are particularly sick of that we kept being dumped with.."
how does Brexit solve this ? They’re illegal. The clue is in the word.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Illegal immigrants are illegal and Brexit has already stopped it, because they don't want to come anymore, luckily."

Well, I guess shitting the bed so badly nobody wants to come and visit is *one* way to solve the problem.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Illegal immigrants are illegal and Brexit has already stopped it, because they don't want to come anymore, luckily.

Well, I guess shitting the bed so badly nobody wants to come and visit is *one* way to solve the problem."

No, it's called cutting off the handouts, which is all that the illegal scroungers want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Illegal immigrants are illegal and Brexit has already stopped it, because they don't want to come anymore, luckily.

Well, I guess shitting the bed so badly nobody wants to come and visit is *one* way to solve the problem.

No, it's called cutting off the handouts, which is all that the illegal scroungers want."
except illegal scoungets don’t get hand outs. They’re illegal.

Also, FOM presumably means no EU citizen can be an illegal. Which again makes your position doubly odd.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Of course the illegals get handouts. We don't just let them starve, sadly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course the illegals get handouts. We don't just let them starve, sadly."

Lady Macbeth was right.

Too full o' th' milk of human kindness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course the illegals get handouts. We don't just let them starve, sadly."
lets entertain this *thought* which handouts ? And how has brexit prevented this ? Which we couldn’t have done beforehand ?

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Because now they are unpopular across Europe and the tide of tolerance is turning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because now they are unpopular across Europe and the tide of tolerance is turning. "
so they were popular before ? Again. Which handouts do they get?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because now they are unpopular across Europe and the tide of tolerance is turning. "

Meanwhile, back in the 1930's....

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Yes, most countries seemed to be welcoming them. Now, most countries cannot get rid of them fast enough.

Asylum support is the benefit.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Because now they are unpopular across Europe and the tide of tolerance is turning.

Meanwhile, back in the 1930's...."

You're welcome to them if you want to be over-run with scum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, most countries seemed to be welcoming them. Now, most countries cannot get rid of them fast enough.

Asylum support is the benefit."
asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Yes, most countries seemed to be welcoming them. Now, most countries cannot get rid of them fast enough.

Asylum support is the benefit.asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants. "

They most certainly are!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, most countries seemed to be welcoming them. Now, most countries cannot get rid of them fast enough.

Asylum support is the benefit.asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants.

They most certainly are!"
from a document produced by Bristol city Council and published on .gov.uk

"A handbook published by Refugee Action in 2006 warns the media and the public not to confuse asylum seekers with illegal immigrants defining the latter as 'someone who decides to leave their native country and goes to another to live but does it without telling the authorities.’"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because now they are unpopular across Europe and the tide of tolerance is turning.

Meanwhile, back in the 1930's....

You're welcome to them if you want to be over-run with scum."

I'd say the mask has slipped, but really the mask has slipped, fallen off and has been rolling away for some time.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Mask of what? Stupidity? Pretending that migration has been marvellous all these years, now finally admitting the truth?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mask of what? Stupidity? Pretending that migration has been marvellous all these years, now finally admitting the truth?"

Of course Andy, that's exactly it.

You tell those scum, what have the audacity to not be English born and bred.

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Yes, most countries seemed to be welcoming them. Now, most countries cannot get rid of them fast enough.

Asylum support is the benefit.asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants.

They most certainly are!"

No, they are not! They are asylum seekers, that is their legal status.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe the legal status Andy would prefer is Untermensch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wait. Are we talking illegal immigrants (who are not the same as asylum seekers) or all migrants. As earlier on you were classing them as scum ?

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Yes, most countries seemed to be welcoming them. Now, most countries cannot get rid of them fast enough.

Asylum support is the benefit.asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants.

They most certainly are!

No, they are not! They are asylum seekers, that is their legal status.

And the reality is illegal, economic immigrant, otherwise they would have claimed asylum in the 1st country that their rubber dinghy from Pakistan arrived at. Usually Italy. Yet they travel all the way to the UK, through many EU countries to claim asylum. Asylum from what? And why travel to the UK?

How stupid do you think we are?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, most countries seemed to be welcoming them. Now, most countries cannot get rid of them fast enough.

Asylum support is the benefit.asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants.

They most certainly are!

No, they are not! They are asylum seekers, that is their legal status.

How stupid do you think we are?"

This is another topic. And not one which brexit solves directly. By law they are legal.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

And in reality they are not. And the law that makes them "legal" is one of the main reasons for Brexit.

We all know why they came all the way to the UK to claim "asylum".

To claim the most generous benefits in Europe. That is what the UK was sick of and that is why the UK voted for Brexit.

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Yes, most countries seemed to be welcoming them. Now, most countries cannot get rid of them fast enough.

Asylum support is the benefit.asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants.

They most certainly are!

No, they are not! They are asylum seekers, that is their legal status.

How stupid do you think we are?"

What about the ones that fly in?

I love how you naively believe the ones who are trafficked by land think it's like a bus, and you just press the bell when you get to the stop you like! Jesus, how much cotton wool did your parents wrap you in as a kid?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, most countries seemed to be welcoming them. Now, most countries cannot get rid of them fast enough.

Asylum support is the benefit.asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants.

They most certainly are!

No, they are not! They are asylum seekers, that is their legal status.

How stupid do you think we are?"

Incredibly.

But that is irrelevant right now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And in reality they are not. And the law that makes them "legal" is one of the main reasons for Brexit.

We all know why they came all the way to the UK to claim "asylum".

To claim the most generous benefits in Europe. That is what the UK was sick of and that is why the UK voted for Brexit."

A quick google suggests it’s derived from being in the UN not the Eu.

So in summary, we voted for brexit in order to change a law the EU did not set, to prevent non Europeans from claiming asylum here.

Glad that’s cleared up.

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

How many EU citizens have claimed asylum in the UK in the last year, or last 5 years?

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"How many EU citizens have claimed asylum in the UK in the last year, or last 5 years? "

How can an EU citizen claim asylum?

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"How many EU citizens have claimed asylum in the UK in the last year, or last 5 years?

How can an EU citizen claim asylum?

Anyone non-British citizen can claim asylum in the UK. You say we are leaving the EU to stop asylum claims, so how many have their been from EU citizens?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who were those Catalonian guys again?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who were those Catalonian guys again?"
are they the ones England just beat on penalties ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who were those Catalonian guys again?are they the ones England just beat on penalties ?"

No, if we’d played Barcelona it wouldn’t have got that far

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By *urve BallWoman
over a year ago

North London

I honestly cannot believe my eyes... "Freedom of speech" does not extend to "hate speech".

Utterly despicable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am surprised with lee's comments. I just celebrated the England win with many foreigners and English people in Amsterdam against colombia. As a proud British guy who had immigrant parents I do have to call it straight, lime the dutch and say it's offensive and wish Lee all the best. It's not about control of our borders we have that. My daughter had to go through hoops to become British even though she is British defendant. Maybe since she's isn't 100 percent pure, she's not worth it. What's your opinion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Am surprised with lee's comments. I just celebrated the England win with many foreigners and English people in Amsterdam against colombia. As a proud British guy who had immigrant parents I do have to call it straight, lime the dutch and say it's offensive and wish Lee all the best. It's not about control of our borders we have that. My daughter had to go through hoops to become British even though she is British defendant. Maybe since she's isn't 100 percent pure, she's not worth it. What's your opinion?"

Fucking predictive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, most countries seemed to be welcoming them. Now, most countries cannot get rid of them fast enough.

Asylum support is the benefit.asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants.

They most certainly are!"

Umm no. Claiming asylum is legal. Illegal immigrants are generally not known or sponsored by cheap labour which is a conservative view...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who were those Catalonian guys again?are they the ones England just beat on penalties ?

No, if we’d played Barcelona it wouldn’t have got that far

Can you name the Catalonian players Vs the foreigners?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And in reality they are not. And the law that makes them "legal" is one of the main reasons for Brexit.

We all know why they came all the way to the UK to claim "asylum".

To claim the most generous benefits in Europe. That is what the UK was sick of and that is why the UK voted for Brexit."

The percentage of asylum of minute compared to percentage of immigrants. Why target asylum seekers? Love to know. Give me the number of asylum seekers vs EU immigration Vs non EU immigration. I'll make it easy. What is it in %.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only in your incorrect opinion."

Go on. Give us an industrial strategy, economic strategy, and social redevolopment strategy all brexit voters can agree on. The actually pitch it to the rst of us.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"It's not simple. I just laugh at foreigners who are anti-brexit.

We voted for brexit primarily because we are sick of foreigners.

Just like Austria, Italy, Germany and Hungary are!"

You voted for Brexit because youre a xenophobe?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Because now they are unpopular across Europe and the tide of tolerance is turning.

Meanwhile, back in the 1930's....

You're welcome to them if you want to be over-run with scum."

I'm more worried that the country is overrun by people with your kind of despicable attitudes who believe that the Brexit vote in some way legitimises their gormless take on the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As if I care what you think. I'm in the UK where we will be in charge of our own destiny!"

This is amazing! I want to assume this is sarcasm but I have a feeling you’re serious.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Because now they are unpopular across Europe and the tide of tolerance is turning.

Meanwhile, back in the 1930's....

You're welcome to them if you want to be over-run with scum.

I'm more worried that the country is overrun by people with your kind of despicable attitudes who believe that the Brexit vote in some way legitimises their gormless take on the world."

Indeed. Anyone who thinks Brexit has not emboldened xenophobia and general hatred towards fellow humans need just read this thread, as Andy is a prime example.

-Matt

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I am one of the 13 per cent of the population of England who was not born in England.

I enjoy living here.

But I despair when I read the Little Englander mentality so evident in this thread.

The smears designed to dehumanise other individuals, just because they do not speak or look or think like you.

That is not "patriotism".

It is ignorance x fear = hatred.

It is sad to see people reduced to xenophobia, isolationism and insularity. Stop the world I want to get off, eh?

The entire history of this country - and every other one -is rooted in migration, inwards and outwards.

It is what makes England and the UK what it is today - the merging of culture, influences and language from all around the globe.

The English language is perhaps the best example - drawing in so many words and expressions from other cultures.

How different would your football team last night have looked were it not for migration?

How different would your menu or takeaway choices look were it not for migration?

This country occupied one-fifth of the world land mass, i.e. it exported migrants (some voluntarily, some by compulsion) to every corner of the globe.

Borders are artificial - they exist only in the minds of the human race.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Listening to the news you would think the only people who have to agree the new customs arrangement proposed by May is the British Cabinet. Do you think the EU will accept this new customs arrangement, whatever it is?"

I see it's stupid question time again.

OK I'll bite.

A fully clothed guy has just walked past your house.

How big is his cock?

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"It's not simple. I just laugh at foreigners who are anti-brexit.

We voted for brexit primarily because we are sick of foreigners.

Just like Austria, Italy, Germany and Hungary are!

You voted for Brexit because youre a xenophobe?"

He didn't say "he" voted because of that, we said "we", which could be interpreted to mean all Brexit voters. How many Brexit voters have tried to distance themselves from the comments?

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I see it's stupid question time again.

OK I'll bite.

A fully clothed guy has just walked past your house.

How big is his cock?"

Why is it a stupid question?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"It's not simple. I just laugh at foreigners who are anti-brexit.

We voted for brexit primarily because we are sick of foreigners.

Just like Austria, Italy, Germany and Hungary are!

You voted for Brexit because youre a xenophobe?

He didn't say "he" voted because of that, we said "we", which could be interpreted to mean all Brexit voters. How many Brexit voters have tried to distance themselves from the comments? "

At the last count.....none

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who were those Catalonian guys again?are they the ones England just beat on penalties ?

No, if we’d played Barcelona it wouldn’t have got that far

Can you name the Catalonian players Vs the foreigners?"

Lighten up son

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By *urve BallWoman
over a year ago

North London

"And in reality they are not. And the law that makes them "legal" is one of the main reasons for Brexit.

We all know why they came all the way to the UK to claim "asylum".

To claim the most generous benefits in Europe. That is what the UK was sick of and that is why the UK voted for Brexit.

I don't think the legal/illegal distinction is his issue (as he's changed his wording a couple of times, after being pushed). I think his issue is that anyone not born in Britain (or, dare I say, England) *and* (possibly) whose parents/grandparents/etc were not born in Britain either, should not be allowed to contaminate our pure Aryan nation, walk amongst us and taint our women with their seed (wasn't the ex UKIP leader's girlfriend who said something like that about Meghan Markle?).

So, by the looks of it, the legality of it, is immaterial. If *he* had his way, no one who's not pure bread British would even be allowed to visit, let alone move/live here.

His posts on this thread are seriously shocking (to say the least) and read more like a political party broadcast by Britain First in association with ukip and bnp.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

I see it's stupid question time again.

OK I'll bite.

A fully clothed guy has just walked past your house.

How big is his cock?"

I dunno, is he walking with a bit of a limp?

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"I am one of the 13 per cent of the population of England who was not born in England.