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"No secret that I'm neither a conservative, nor a brexiteer. And while I'm not Theresa's biggest fan either, I just wish Mogg would shut his trap even for a minute and stop with the threats and the ultimatums. Whether some of us like it or not, brexit *is* happening and I'm furious with the fucking chorus of selfish idiots who are distracting (to say the least) the person who's tasked with achieving the best out of a bad situation. As if she doesn't have enough on her plate with having to negotiate a deal that will not ruin our economy *and* having the responsibility that whatever she comes back with will affect the entire country, she also has to act as a referee between various camps within her own party *and* listen to Mogg and Boris incessantly yapping left right and centre about how *they* know best (and unless she does as she's told, they'll have her job). " Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. | |||
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"No secret that I'm neither a conservative, nor a brexiteer. And while I'm not Theresa's biggest fan either, I just wish Mogg would shut his trap even for a minute and stop with the threats and the ultimatums. Whether some of us like it or not, brexit *is* happening and I'm furious with the fucking chorus of selfish idiots who are distracting (to say the least) the person who's tasked with achieving the best out of a bad situation. As if she doesn't have enough on her plate with having to negotiate a deal that will not ruin our economy *and* having the responsibility that whatever she comes back with will affect the entire country, she also has to act as a referee between various camps within her own party *and* listen to Mogg and Boris incessantly yapping left right and centre about how *they* know best (and unless she does as she's told, they'll have her job). Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. " Yeah because it's the remainers that give interviews, write columns and threaten to topple *their* fucking leader every 2 minutes, isn't it?  Are you for real?! | |||
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"No secret that I'm neither a conservative, nor a brexiteer. And while I'm not Theresa's biggest fan either, I just wish Mogg would shut his trap even for a minute and stop with the threats and the ultimatums. Whether some of us like it or not, brexit *is* happening and I'm furious with the fucking chorus of selfish idiots who are distracting (to say the least) the person who's tasked with achieving the best out of a bad situation. As if she doesn't have enough on her plate with having to negotiate a deal that will not ruin our economy *and* having the responsibility that whatever she comes back with will affect the entire country, she also has to act as a referee between various camps within her own party *and* listen to Mogg and Boris incessantly yapping left right and centre about how *they* know best (and unless she does as she's told, they'll have her job). Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. " The disloyal cretins like BoJo and Mogg need to stfu. Theyre dim, annoying, pointless tossers. In an ideal world, BoJo would be sacked and Mogg's constituents would realise that theyre being represented by a hypocrite and get rid of him. Sadly, we will continue to hear their idiotic musings ad nauseam | |||
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"Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. " Winners and losers, really? I keep asking you the same question and you always fail to answer it, but let me ask you again. What happens if you and those your support are wrong and brexit is a disaster? Are you still going to be telling everyone how much your on the winning side? Will you then admit that voting for brexit was a loser vote and we have all lost? Or will you continue to demand that everyone shut the fuck up and not criticise your beloved brexit? | |||
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"No secret that I'm neither a conservative, nor a brexiteer. And while I'm not Theresa's biggest fan either, I just wish Mogg would shut his trap even for a minute and stop with the threats and the ultimatums. Whether some of us like it or not, brexit *is* happening and I'm furious with the fucking chorus of selfish idiots who are distracting (to say the least) the person who's tasked with achieving the best out of a bad situation. As if she doesn't have enough on her plate with having to negotiate a deal that will not ruin our economy *and* having the responsibility that whatever she comes back with will affect the entire country, she also has to act as a referee between various camps within her own party *and* listen to Mogg and Boris incessantly yapping left right and centre about how *they* know best (and unless she does as she's told, they'll have her job). Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. Yeah because it's the remainers that give interviews, write columns and threaten to topple *their* fucking leader every 2 minutes, isn't it? Are you for real?! "You must have an amazingly short memory. It was remoaners in the Conservative party who threatened to bring down the government just a couple of weeks ago on the EU withdrawal bill vote if they couldn't get their own way. Cunts like Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and Dominic Grieve and their remainer rabble on the back benches were the ones acting like petulant children. | |||
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" (...) Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. Yeah because it's the remainers that give interviews, write columns and threaten to topple *their* fucking leader every 2 minutes, isn't it? Are you for real?!
You must have an amazingly short memory. It was remoaners in the Conservative party who threatened to bring down the government just a couple of weeks ago on the EU withdrawal bill vote if they couldn't get their own way. Cunts like Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and Dominic Grieve and their remainer rabble on the back benches were the ones acting like petulant children. "My memory is not short at all but, yours, as usual, is conveniently selective. Grieve never said anything about wanting or intending to collapse the government. Go back and listen/read his *exact* words. If anything, he backed down from the *parliamentary* process (you know, sovereignty and all those brexiteer favourite concepts ) he had initiated (again, in order to ensure that the MPs ultimately do what we've sent them to Parliament for) precisely to avoid even the prospect of destabilasation.
Mps can say *anything* they want to the PM *in private*. Why do they have to ridicule her, both nationally and internationally, by criticising their *own* leader *in public* and threatening to have her job?! Only someone who either wants to completely damage Theresa's credibility with everyone (and especially the people she has to negotiate with) so that she will end up with no deal (which is *precisely* what the Moggs' and Johnson's *ultimate* aim is) and/or someone who is so selfish and with no consideration for the general good (both of his party and the country as a whole) that he tries to sabotage the whole process from within! Had they gone for Grieve's amendment, the whole parliament would have had the opportunity to reject the final deal if they deemed it unacceptable (you know, how things *are meant* to be done - parliament sovereignty and all that) and avoid the wholly inappropriate (to put it mildly) barrage of threads and intimidation. But, to me, it's blatantly obvious that parliamentary process and sovereignty isn't and never was something they really respected or were asking for, if their bullyish behaviour is anything to go by.
It says it all really about how scared the brexiteers are that they'll lose the battle because they see that the tide has turned and that people are waking up to the mess that we've gotten ourselves into. Therefore, spare me the B.S. that they're trying to ensure they get they brexit they want because it's clear that the only brexit they'll accept is a "no deal" one and to hell with everyone else. | |||
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"No secret that I'm neither a conservative, nor a brexiteer. And while I'm not Theresa's biggest fan either, I just wish Mogg would shut his trap even for a minute and stop with the threats and the ultimatums. Whether some of us like it or not, brexit *is* happening and I'm furious with the fucking chorus of selfish idiots who are distracting (to say the least) the person who's tasked with achieving the best out of a bad situation. As if she doesn't have enough on her plate with having to negotiate a deal that will not ruin our economy *and* having the responsibility that whatever she comes back with will affect the entire country, she also has to act as a referee between various camps within her own party *and* listen to Mogg and Boris incessantly yapping left right and centre about how *they* know best (and unless she does as she's told, they'll have her job). Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. Yeah because it's the remainers that give interviews, write columns and threaten to topple *their* fucking leader every 2 minutes, isn't it? Are you for real?!
You must have an amazingly short memory. It was remoaners in the Conservative party who threatened to bring down the government just a couple of weeks ago on the EU withdrawal bill vote if they couldn't get their own way. Cunts like Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and Dominic Grieve and their remainer rabble on the back benches were the ones acting like petulant children. "Petulant children who wanted to respect parliamentary sovereignty? Isn't that the number one reasons you claimed to have voted for? | |||
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" (...) Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. Yeah because it's the remainers that give interviews, write columns and threaten to topple *their* fucking leader every 2 minutes, isn't it? Are you for real?!
You must have an amazingly short memory. It was remoaners in the Conservative party who threatened to bring down the government just a couple of weeks ago on the EU withdrawal bill vote if they couldn't get their own way. Cunts like Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and Dominic Grieve and their remainer rabble on the back benches were the ones acting like petulant children.
My memory is not short at all but, yours, as usual, is conveniently selective. Grieve never said anything about wanting or intending to collapse the government. Go back and listen/read his *exact* words. If anything, he backed down from the *parliamentary* process (you know, sovereignty and all those brexiteer favourite concepts ) he had initiated (again, in order to ensure that the MPs ultimately do what we've sent them to Parliament for) precisely to avoid even the prospect of destabilasation.
Mps can say *anything* they want to the PM *in private*. Why do they have to ridicule her, both nationally and internationally, by criticising their *own* leader *in public* and threatening to have her job?! Only someone who either wants to completely damage Theresa's credibility with everyone (and especially the people she has to negotiate with) so that she will end up with no deal (which is *precisely* what the Moggs' and Johnson's *ultimate* aim is) and/or someone who is so selfish and with no consideration for the general good (both of his party and the country as a whole) that he tries to sabotage the whole process from within! Had they gone for Grieve's amendment, the whole parliament would have had the opportunity to reject the final deal if they deemed it unacceptable (you know, how things *are meant* to be done - parliament sovereignty and all that) and avoid the wholly inappropriate (to put it mildly) barrage of threads and intimidation. But, to me, it's blatantly obvious that parliamentary process and sovereignty isn't and never was something they really respected or were asking for, if their bullyish behaviour is anything to go by.
It says it all really about how scared the brexiteers are that they'll lose the battle because they see that the tide has turned and that people are waking up to the mess that we've gotten ourselves into. Therefore, spare me the B.S. that they're trying to ensure they get they brexit they want because it's clear that the only brexit they'll accept is a "no deal" one and to hell with everyone else."I suggest you read the title of your own thread....."Back seat driving, AKA, Do as I say or else!" This is exactly what Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and the other remoaners in government were guilty of just a couple of weeks ago! | |||
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" (...) Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. Yeah because it's the remainers that give interviews, write columns and threaten to topple *their* fucking leader every 2 minutes, isn't it? Are you for real?!
You must have an amazingly short memory. It was remoaners in the Conservative party who threatened to bring down the government just a couple of weeks ago on the EU withdrawal bill vote if they couldn't get their own way. Cunts like Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and Dominic Grieve and their remainer rabble on the back benches were the ones acting like petulant children.
My memory is not short at all but, yours, as usual, is conveniently selective. Grieve never said anything about wanting or intending to collapse the government. Go back and listen/read his *exact* words. If anything, he backed down from the *parliamentary* process (you know, sovereignty and all those brexiteer favourite concepts ) he had initiated (again, in order to ensure that the MPs ultimately do what we've sent them to Parliament for) precisely to avoid even the prospect of destabilasation.
Mps can say *anything* they want to the PM *in private*. Why do they have to ridicule her, both nationally and internationally, by criticising their *own* leader *in public* and threatening to have her job?! Only someone who either wants to completely damage Theresa's credibility with everyone (and especially the people she has to negotiate with) so that she will end up with no deal (which is *precisely* what the Moggs' and Johnson's *ultimate* aim is) and/or someone who is so selfish and with no consideration for the general good (both of his party and the country as a whole) that he tries to sabotage the whole process from within! Had they gone for Grieve's amendment, the whole parliament would have had the opportunity to reject the final deal if they deemed it unacceptable (you know, how things *are meant* to be done - parliament sovereignty and all that) and avoid the wholly inappropriate (to put it mildly) barrage of threads and intimidation. But, to me, it's blatantly obvious that parliamentary process and sovereignty isn't and never was something they really respected or were asking for, if their bullyish behaviour is anything to go by.
It says it all really about how scared the brexiteers are that they'll lose the battle because they see that the tide has turned and that people are waking up to the mess that we've gotten ourselves into. Therefore, spare me the B.S. that they're trying to ensure they get they brexit they want because it's clear that the only brexit they'll accept is a "no deal" one and to hell with everyone else.
I suggest you read the title of your own thread....."Back seat driving, AKA, Do as I say or else!"
This is exactly what Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and the other remoaners in government were guilty of just a couple of weeks ago! "Utter crap as usual Where do you get your information from the beano | |||
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" (...) Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. Yeah because it's the remainers that give interviews, write columns and threaten to topple *their* fucking leader every 2 minutes, isn't it? Are you for real?!
You must have an amazingly short memory. It was remoaners in the Conservative party who threatened to bring down the government just a couple of weeks ago on the EU withdrawal bill vote if they couldn't get their own way. Cunts like Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and Dominic Grieve and their remainer rabble on the back benches were the ones acting like petulant children.
My memory is not short at all but, yours, as usual, is conveniently selective. Grieve never said anything about wanting or intending to collapse the government. Go back and listen/read his *exact* words. If anything, he backed down from the *parliamentary* process (you know, sovereignty and all those brexiteer favourite concepts ) he had initiated (again, in order to ensure that the MPs ultimately do what we've sent them to Parliament for) precisely to avoid even the prospect of destabilasation.
Mps can say *anything* they want to the PM *in private*. Why do they have to ridicule her, both nationally and internationally, by criticising their *own* leader *in public* and threatening to have her job?! Only someone who either wants to completely damage Theresa's credibility with everyone (and especially the people she has to negotiate with) so that she will end up with no deal (which is *precisely* what the Moggs' and Johnson's *ultimate* aim is) and/or someone who is so selfish and with no consideration for the general good (both of his party and the country as a whole) that he tries to sabotage the whole process from within! Had they gone for Grieve's amendment, the whole parliament would have had the opportunity to reject the final deal if they deemed it unacceptable (you know, how things *are meant* to be done - parliament sovereignty and all that) and avoid the wholly inappropriate (to put it mildly) barrage of threads and intimidation. But, to me, it's blatantly obvious that parliamentary process and sovereignty isn't and never was something they really respected or were asking for, if their bullyish behaviour is anything to go by.
It says it all really about how scared the brexiteers are that they'll lose the battle because they see that the tide has turned and that people are waking up to the mess that we've gotten ourselves into. Therefore, spare me the B.S. that they're trying to ensure they get they brexit they want because it's clear that the only brexit they'll accept is a "no deal" one and to hell with everyone else.
I suggest you read the title of your own thread....."Back seat driving, AKA, Do as I say or else!"
This is exactly what Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and the other remoaners in government were guilty of just a couple of weeks ago! "Remember - people voted for brexit to assure that the decisions made in parliament wouldn't be overruled by outside forces. Unless they decide wrong, that is. | |||
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" (...) Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. Yeah because it's the remainers that give interviews, write columns and threaten to topple *their* fucking leader every 2 minutes, isn't it? Are you for real?!
You must have an amazingly short memory. It was remoaners in the Conservative party who threatened to bring down the government just a couple of weeks ago on the EU withdrawal bill vote if they couldn't get their own way. Cunts like Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and Dominic Grieve and their remainer rabble on the back benches were the ones acting like petulant children.
My memory is not short at all but, yours, as usual, is conveniently selective. Grieve never said anything about wanting or intending to collapse the government. Go back and listen/read his *exact* words. If anything, he backed down from the *parliamentary* process (you know, sovereignty and all those brexiteer favourite concepts ) he had initiated (again, in order to ensure that the MPs ultimately do what we've sent them to Parliament for) precisely to avoid even the prospect of destabilasation.
Mps can say *anything* they want to the PM *in private*. Why do they have to ridicule her, both nationally and internationally, by criticising their *own* leader *in public* and threatening to have her job?! Only someone who either wants to completely damage Theresa's credibility with everyone (and especially the people she has to negotiate with) so that she will end up with no deal (which is *precisely* what the Moggs' and Johnson's *ultimate* aim is) and/or someone who is so selfish and with no consideration for the general good (both of his party and the country as a whole) that he tries to sabotage the whole process from within! Had they gone for Grieve's amendment, the whole parliament would have had the opportunity to reject the final deal if they deemed it unacceptable (you know, how things *are meant* to be done - parliament sovereignty and all that) and avoid the wholly inappropriate (to put it mildly) barrage of threads and intimidation. But, to me, it's blatantly obvious that parliamentary process and sovereignty isn't and never was something they really respected or were asking for, if their bullyish behaviour is anything to go by.
It says it all really about how scared the brexiteers are that they'll lose the battle because they see that the tide has turned and that people are waking up to the mess that we've gotten ourselves into. Therefore, spare me the B.S. that they're trying to ensure they get they brexit they want because it's clear that the only brexit they'll accept is a "no deal" one and to hell with everyone else.
I suggest you read the title of your own thread....."Back seat driving, AKA, Do as I say or else!"
This is exactly what Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and the other remoaners in government were guilty of just a couple of weeks ago!
Utter crap as usual
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"people also voted to join the common market -but I don't hear them getting half as outraged that their "democratic vote" was overturned." It's not the common market anymore though is it!  | |||
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"No secret that I'm neither a conservative, nor a brexiteer. And while I'm not Theresa's biggest fan either, I just wish Mogg would shut his trap even for a minute and stop with the threats and the ultimatums. Whether some of us like it or not, brexit *is* happening and I'm furious with the fucking chorus of selfish idiots who are distracting (to say the least) the person who's tasked with achieving the best out of a bad situation. As if she doesn't have enough on her plate with having to negotiate a deal that will not ruin our economy *and* having the responsibility that whatever she comes back with will affect the entire country, she also has to act as a referee between various camps within her own party *and* listen to Mogg and Boris incessantly yapping left right and centre about how *they* know best (and unless she does as she's told, they'll have her job). Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. " Theresa May won the nomination for Tory leadership and got selected by the members for it. Theresa May led the tories to a Pyrrhic victory in the GE last year. She has two mandates to negotiate brexit and to try and get some form of a deal from it - though not on the actual semantics of it. If Mogg, Boris or Gove think they can drive down a pothole ridden road without doing the suspension in, let them try. You need to accept that they have no right to try to lead given that two lost nominations for leadership and one has said it's not on the cards. As such none have the right to hold the PM to ransom. This is coming from someone who doesn't really want to defend TM or brexit. | |||
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" (...) Surely it's remainers in government who really need to put a sock in it, they lost the referendum after all. All Mogg and Boris are trying to do is make sure a proper Brexit is delivered, (after all they were on the winning side of the referendum) and make sure that Theresa May sticks to her Brexit promises in her speeches and in the Conservative general election manifesto to leave the single market and the customs union. If remainers (losers) like Philip Hammond and Greg Clark would just shut up and stop trying to sabotage the whole process maybe we could move forward and make some genuine progress. Yeah because it's the remainers that give interviews, write columns and threaten to topple *their* fucking leader every 2 minutes, isn't it? Are you for real?!
You must have an amazingly short memory. It was remoaners in the Conservative party who threatened to bring down the government just a couple of weeks ago on the EU withdrawal bill vote if they couldn't get their own way. Cunts like Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and Dominic Grieve and their remainer rabble on the back benches were the ones acting like petulant children.
My memory is not short at all but, yours, as usual, is conveniently selective. Grieve never said anything about wanting or intending to collapse the government. Go back and listen/read his *exact* words. If anything, he backed down from the *parliamentary* process (you know, sovereignty and all those brexiteer favourite concepts ) he had initiated (again, in order to ensure that the MPs ultimately do what we've sent them to Parliament for) precisely to avoid even the prospect of destabilasation.
Mps can say *anything* they want to the PM *in private*. Why do they have to ridicule her, both nationally and internationally, by criticising their *own* leader *in public* and threatening to have her job?! Only someone who either wants to completely damage Theresa's credibility with everyone (and especially the people she has to negotiate with) so that she will end up with no deal (which is *precisely* what the Moggs' and Johnson's *ultimate* aim is) and/or someone who is so selfish and with no consideration for the general good (both of his party and the country as a whole) that he tries to sabotage the whole process from within! Had they gone for Grieve's amendment, the whole parliament would have had the opportunity to reject the final deal if they deemed it unacceptable (you know, how things *are meant* to be done - parliament sovereignty and all that) and avoid the wholly inappropriate (to put it mildly) barrage of threads and intimidation. But, to me, it's blatantly obvious that parliamentary process and sovereignty isn't and never was something they really respected or were asking for, if their bullyish behaviour is anything to go by.
It says it all really about how scared the brexiteers are that they'll lose the battle because they see that the tide has turned and that people are waking up to the mess that we've gotten ourselves into. Therefore, spare me the B.S. that they're trying to ensure they get they brexit they want because it's clear that the only brexit they'll accept is a "no deal" one and to hell with everyone else.
I suggest you read the title of your own thread....."Back seat driving, AKA, Do as I say or else!"
This is exactly what Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke and the other remoaners in government were guilty of just a couple of weeks ago! "Ok, you either live in an alternate reality or your blinkers have started fully covering your eyes *and* your ears if you put on par what Grieve did with what Mogg does. | |||
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"No secret that I'm neither a conservative, nor a brexiteer. And while I'm not Theresa's biggest fan either, I just wish Mogg would shut his trap even for a minute and stop with the threats and the ultimatums. Whether some of us like it or not, brexit *is* happening and I'm furious with the fucking chorus of selfish idiots who are distracting (to say the least) the person who's tasked with achieving the best out of a bad situation. As if she doesn't have enough on her plate with having to negotiate a deal that will not ruin our economy *and* having the responsibility that whatever she comes back with will affect the entire country, she also has to act as a referee between various camps within her own party *and* listen to Mogg and Boris incessantly yapping left right and centre about how *they* know best (and unless she does as she's told, they'll have her job). Do you know when you're at home trying to fix something that is very important, quite delicate, needs intense concentration and attention, really tricky to resolve and at an akward place (as well as having a time limit and the responsibility that if you don't fix it correctly, the whole house will explode). While you have your mate Dave and cousin Tony there to help you, you also have to deal with wife, kids, cousins, grandparents, aunts, uncles, in-laws, neighbours etc coming to you every two minutes to either check how you're doing and/or to say "you're not doing it right", "have you tried this/that?", "if you don't fix it the way I want, I'm kicking you out of the house", "you're useless", "are you using the right tools?", "do you know what you're doing?", "are you done yet?" etc. And all you wanna do is drop everything and shout as loud as you can: "SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY ALL OF YOU AND LET ME FIX THE DAMN THING!"." Great post | |||
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