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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

EU countries are about to hold an emergency migration summit as europe is hit by renewed political crisis with the immigration, as the far right is rising, especially in italy, what can be done, or has it gone to far as they have lost control over it? What is your view?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"EU countries are about to hold an emergency migration summit as europe is hit by renewed political crisis with the immigration, as the far right is rising, especially in italy, what can be done, or has it gone to far as they have lost control over it? What is your view?"

There are some genuine racists out there who want to turn europe into a 'white homeland'.

The reality is we really need to discuss the numbers of people coming in, and their motives.

I'd prefer it if moderates could dominate this discussion but I image the hard right will dominate and shout the loudest.

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By *urve BallWoman
over a year ago

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As I said on another thread a few days ago, money will talk. Merkel will try and save her own skin. Money and support will be offered to the countries mostly affected by the migrants crossing into Europe. Also, I expect that a new, improved and more clear common policy on how to deal with the influx of immigration from outside Europe will be introduced in the near future. Again as I said on that other thread, the can has been kicked as far down the road as it'd go. It's time they got their act together and they know it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why does it always start with rounding up the Roma.?Who next the Jews!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The EU has struggled for years to implement a common migration policy and has failed utterly.

Italy is getting all the bad press for closing its ports to migrant ships yet the German Interior Minister wants to close Germany's borders to any asylum seekers already registered in other EU countries.

Of course Merkel is scrambling to negotiate an EU refugee policy - her political future depends on it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does it always start with rounding up the Roma.?Who next the Jews!"

Nice headline but the European migrant crisis didn't start with rounding up the Roma.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does it always start with rounding up the Roma.?Who next the Jews!

Nice headline but the European migrant crisis didn't start with rounding up the Roma."

So why has the deputy PM called for a mass cleansing street by street and all Roma deported.You would of thought they would start with Eritreans and North Africans,but their centuries old hatred of the Roma raises its ugly head.

Have you looked at the headlines today...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does it always start with rounding up the Roma.?Who next the Jews!"

With the last of the generation that remembers where this all leads to dying off, it's not all that surprising that we're reenacting the 1930's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As was asked last night on the news “how many refugees/asylum seekers has Poland taken in ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"As was asked last night on the news “how many refugees/asylum seekers has Poland taken in ? "
Not many, the ones that have taken in the most is sweden and we have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will have to say the troubles caused by us has come home to roost.

destabilisation of the middle east by the usa, and allies by starting wars and 'regime change"

The only country coming off least badly is the USA, ironically the ones whos started this fucking mess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As was asked last night on the news “how many refugees/asylum seekers has Poland taken in ? Not many, the ones that have taken in the most is sweden and we have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone."

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?"
We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe."

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been......."

Just out of interest, why have you added the word "dire" to the word "consequences" when quoting this person's post? Do you feel the consequences in Sweden have been dire, or are you just trying to make the person's post you're quoting look more controversial?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

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It is an economic problem nothing to do with racism although racist do jump on the bandwagon and give immigration a bad name.

Lets face it you feed your family first fact,you put your loved ones first fact.

People trying to brand control of immigration as right wing are sick and perverted and stop proper policies even being discussed or put into practice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

Neither.

The original sentence was "have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone".

Are you seriously suggesting that I've somehow misrepresented the claim being made?

Reading - you should get better at it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries? And this statement isn't ain't at non European immigrants. I work with a Polish man who's been living in Ireland almost 15yrs and has the English of a 3yr old. Even the other Polish lads say its a terrible attitude from him. He gets pure moody at a joke not even aimed at him just because he sees you laughing. Has no Irish friends either. Another Slovakian guy at work tells me everyday that Ireland is a shit country full of knackers, his English is good but he only uses it to slate the country. All in all the east European influence in Ireland has been great. I feel they have even made us up our game cause they take good care of their health and looks haha. But there's so many foreign communities that come here and set up their own mini communities and it divides countries. I'm against mass unvetted immigration. Multiculturalism isn't even a good thing. What really happens is you're left with pop culture and native cultures die.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries? "

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

I know this because I have spent the last five years in two different countries where English isn't the first language. I have not learned either language, and i have made fuck all effort to assimilate.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

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over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists."

I'm not afraid to be called a racist just to let you know. I know I'm not and thats good enough for me. I think if you're making a new country your home you should learn the language it could be needed in emergency situations after all and it would be to your own benefit as you've a better chance of meeting new friends. English speakers are known for not making the effort to learn other languages and that's including myself (I'm Irish and struggle with Irish) but they rely on the fact that English can get you by in most cases. You have a different opinion to me fair enough but it doesn't change mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

Neither.

The original sentence was "have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone".

Are you seriously suggesting that I've somehow misrepresented the claim being made?

Reading - you should get better at it."

No, you've just clumsily added your own words to make the post seem more inflammatory.

Nice try though

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

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"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists."
If they plan to settle here yes,when in Rome do as the Romans do.If they assimilated more there would be less hatred and suspicion of them,raceism can be caused by the attitude of the immigrants.

A long time ago my ancestors came from overseas as many of yours did but they became part of the local community.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists."

This is just advocating division between communities, a typical racist's tool - divide and conquer.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

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"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

This is just advocating division between communities, a typical racist's tool - divide and conquer."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

Neither.

The original sentence was "have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone".

Are you seriously suggesting that I've somehow misrepresented the claim being made?

Reading - you should get better at it.

No, you've just clumsily added your own words to make the post seem more inflammatory.

Nice try though

Have a bit of dignity, you were full of shit and got caught.

Just put your hand up and admit it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

This is just advocating division between communities, a typical racist's tool - divide and conquer."

Yes, you're right.

Insisting that people live up to unachievable standards of assimilation that are based on perceptions of the ethnicity of the immigrant, and using the inevitable failure to do so to other immigrant populations is exactly what racists do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't"."

I dunno if you know but an Irishman and a Polishman are Beth similar looking and my personal complaints about people not assimilating was about two European guys who could pass for Irish. I give one a lift home sometimes and the ride home is either pure silence or both of us saying what repeatedly. Once I thought I was talking to him about him going to Italy on holiday and then I asked him about it the next car ride home and he was like "what? Italy? You go?" and I was like no you said you were going there last week I just wanted to know when you're going and he looks at me pure confused and just says "no" what the fuck was he talking about the last when then I actually haven't a clue but I was convinced he was talking about a holiday to Italy this summer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

That's a good story. You could dine out on that.

But this is really just making my point for me, because unless Ireland has changed drastically since I immigrated, Irish people are very welcoming to the Polish with nonsense about how similar the Polish and the Irish are, how they're hard working, and how they look after themselves (most of that being used as a cover for the weird fetishistic attitude towards 'polish girls', if we're being honest), but the smaller African, Roma, and ME communities around are treated with far more suspicion.

Simply put, the Polish can pass as Irish, so they're given the same bullshit about "assimilating"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't"."

We don't have the experience of people barking at us in French or Spanish or Chinese and then shouting it slowly if we don't understand though.

A degree of assimilation is important to foster, maintain and grow relationships between individuals and communities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

That's a good story. You could dine out on that.

Simply put, the Polish can pass as Irish, so they're given the same bullshit about "assimilating" "

Sorry but when I said they look after themselves I was on about the men..... They're built like tanks or atleast the ones I've associated with, eat home made food and live in the gym. Personally I like Irish girls and have never even flirted with a foreign girl. I know Polish lads through work and soccer. "Made us up our game" comment was about irish lads hitting the gym and eating better to compete with the new European immigrants. You've a wild imagination and seem to like to insult in a debate and attack people's character. This is a trait of people of your standing. Racist, weirdo, scumbag etc.... Listen assimilation doesn't mean drop your own culture, it means learning about your new country, embracing what you like about it, speaking to and making friends with the natives etc... No one is forcing you to make friends with a white man because he's a white man but in you actually interact with natives you will find people you like and want to be friends with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

That's a good story. You could dine out on that.

Simply put, the Polish can pass as Irish, so they're given the same bullshit about "assimilating" "

Good to have you back - we're in need of some of that petulant teenage

change the world angst to liven up the forums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

Neither.

The original sentence was "have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone".

Are you seriously suggesting that I've somehow misrepresented the claim being made?

Reading - you should get better at it.

No, you've just clumsily added your own words to make the post seem more inflammatory.

Nice try though

Have a bit of dignity, you were full of shit and got caught.

Just put your hand up and admit it."

This post makes no sense. How was I "full of shit?". You added a word to somebody else's post to alter its meaning, then responded to the amended post. Are you a Daily Mail columnist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

That's a good story. You could dine out on that.

Simply put, the Polish can pass as Irish, so they're given the same bullshit about "assimilating"

Exactly! The polish people have a fine culture and it bothers me how they are sometimes treated as second class citizens (depending where you are in ireland) when often they are twice as sophisticated as we are.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

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dont care about eu ...we wont be in it soon ...and then watch the cards fall x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Are you a Daily Mail columnist?

He's the radical left equivalent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

Neither.

The original sentence was "have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone".

Are you seriously suggesting that I've somehow misrepresented the claim being made?

Reading - you should get better at it.

No, you've just clumsily added your own words to make the post seem more inflammatory.

Nice try though

Have a bit of dignity, you were full of shit and got caught.

Just put your hand up and admit it.

This post makes no sense. How was I "full of shit?". You added a word to somebody else's post to alter its meaning, then responded to the amended post. Are you a Daily Mail columnist?

Except I didn't, did I?

But if you're so certain that I did, please feel free to explain the differences between these two phrases.

"have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone"

And

"Dire consequences".

I'll wait.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Are you a Daily Mail columnist?

He's the radical left equivalent."

I think he's been preempting Canada's new law for October 17th a little too much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

That's a good story. You could dine out on that.

Simply put, the Polish can pass as Irish, so they're given the same bullshit about "assimilating"

Good to have you back - we're in need of some of that petulant teenage

change the world angst to liven up the forums. "

I doubt you've had any shortage of people smarter than you to take you to task, so I commend you putting a brave face on the prospect of having to endure more of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

Neither.

The original sentence was "have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone".

Are you seriously suggesting that I've somehow misrepresented the claim being made?

Reading - you should get better at it.

No, you've just clumsily added your own words to make the post seem more inflammatory.

Nice try though

Have a bit of dignity, you were full of shit and got caught.

Just put your hand up and admit it.

This post makes no sense. How was I "full of shit?". You added a word to somebody else's post to alter its meaning, then responded to the amended post. Are you a Daily Mail columnist?

Except I didn't, did I?

But if you're so certain that I did, please feel free to explain the differences between these two phrases.

"have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone"

And

"Dire consequences".

I'll wait."

Ooh, tough one. My guess would be the word "dire". What do I win?

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over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

That's a good story. You could dine out on that.

Simply put, the Polish can pass as Irish, so they're given the same bullshit about "assimilating"

"Nobody is forcing you to assimilate"

Well, provided you aren't so different from the natives as to make them uncomfortable the yes.

Otherwise, they're more than eager to chastise an immigrant for not assimilating.

Has it never struck you as odd as to why Irish people took to the Polish, who look very similar to them, with a lot more ease than to the immigrants from various African countries?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

Neither.

The original sentence was "have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone".

Are you seriously suggesting that I've somehow misrepresented the claim being made?

Reading - you should get better at it.

No, you've just clumsily added your own words to make the post seem more inflammatory.

Nice try though

Have a bit of dignity, you were full of shit and got caught.

Just put your hand up and admit it.

This post makes no sense. How was I "full of shit?". You added a word to somebody else's post to alter its meaning, then responded to the amended post. Are you a Daily Mail columnist?

Except I didn't, did I?

But if you're so certain that I did, please feel free to explain the differences between these two phrases.

"have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone"

And

"Dire consequences".

I'll wait.

Ooh, tough one. My guess would be the word "dire". What do I win?

No, I said explain.

You have to explain how it changes the meaning of the sentence.

Try again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

Neither.

The original sentence was "have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone".

Are you seriously suggesting that I've somehow misrepresented the claim being made?

Reading - you should get better at it.

No, you've just clumsily added your own words to make the post seem more inflammatory.

Nice try though

Have a bit of dignity, you were full of shit and got caught.

Just put your hand up and admit it.

This post makes no sense. How was I "full of shit?". You added a word to somebody else's post to alter its meaning, then responded to the amended post. Are you a Daily Mail columnist?

Except I didn't, did I?

But if you're so certain that I did, please feel free to explain the differences between these two phrases.

"have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone"

And

"Dire consequences".

I'll wait.

Ooh, tough one. My guess would be the word "dire". What do I win?

No, I said explain.

You have to explain how it changes the meaning of the sentence.

Try again.

You put in quotation marks denoting that you were directly quoting an area of text. Who were you directly quoting? You should have just put the word dire in quotation marks to denote that it was an addendum to the original text.

Grammar - the difference between knowing you're shit and knowing your shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

That's a good story. You could dine out on that.

Simply put, the Polish can pass as Irish, so they're given the same bullshit about "assimilating"

Good to have you back - we're in need of some of that petulant teenage

change the world angst to liven up the forums.

I doubt you've had any shortage of people smarter than you to take you to task, so I commend you putting a brave face on the prospect of having to endure more of that."

I'll have to take some classes, I thought my english was ok but I didn't understand a word of that.

Are you saying you are smarter than me?

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"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

That's a good story. You could dine out on that.

Simply put, the Polish can pass as Irish, so they're given the same bullshit about "assimilating"

"Nobody is forcing you to assimilate"

Well, provided you aren't so different from the natives as to make them uncomfortable the yes.

Otherwise, they're more than eager to chastise an immigrant for not assimilating.

Has it never struck you as odd as to why Irish people took to the Polish, who look very similar to them, with a lot more ease than to the immigrants from various African countries?"

I've seen more fights between Irish people who didn't take to Polish people than I have any other group, granted there's more Polish people here but saying irish took to the polish cause they're white is just racism from you. The polish came here looked for work anywhere, looked to join sports clubs, went on nights out etc... They did their best to make ireland their home and the natives their friends. I'm not saying other groups haven't done the exact same. I'm not even accusing any group in particular of not assimilating but there are groups that don't and I'm not just talking about ireland. I include Britain. You can pretend not assimilating doesn't cause friction and you can blame the friction on the natives but efforts have to be made on both sides.

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"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

That's a good story. You could dine out on that.

Simply put, the Polish can pass as Irish, so they're given the same bullshit about "assimilating"

Good to have you back - we're in need of some of that petulant teenage

change the world angst to liven up the forums.

I doubt you've had any shortage of people smarter than you to take you to task, so I commend you putting a brave face on the prospect of having to endure more of that.

I'll have to take some classes, I thought my english was ok but I didn't understand a word of that.

Are you saying you are smarter than me?

Of course I am.

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So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

Neither.

The original sentence was "have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone".

Are you seriously suggesting that I've somehow misrepresented the claim being made?

Reading - you should get better at it.

No, you've just clumsily added your own words to make the post seem more inflammatory.

Nice try though

Have a bit of dignity, you were full of shit and got caught.

Just put your hand up and admit it.

This post makes no sense. How was I "full of shit?". You added a word to somebody else's post to alter its meaning, then responded to the amended post. Are you a Daily Mail columnist?

Except I didn't, did I?

But if you're so certain that I did, please feel free to explain the differences between these two phrases.

"have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone"

And

"Dire consequences".

I'll wait.

Ooh, tough one. My guess would be the word "dire". What do I win?

No, I said explain.

You have to explain how it changes the meaning of the sentence.

Try again.

Grammar - the difference between knowing you're shit and knowing your shit

Nope, you can also use quotation marks to donate incredulity. Similar to air quotes.

But that's an aside.

You claimed I "altered it's meaning".

Feel free to show how.

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over a year ago

I'm not even going to continue with this. Immigration needs to be controlled tightly, the right channels should be used, it should always be legal and people must be vetted. Its shouldn't be halted or stopped but definitely needs to be controlled better. In areas of conflict the nearest safe countries should host the vast majority of refugees and should be supplied with funding, materials etc... by the EU as a whole to prevent people crossing multiple countries to get here. Its unsustainable. The EU should take some in too but with conflicts happening in Asia or Africa safe neighbouring countries should be the destination not new continents. This is just my opinion btw.

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over a year ago

So, not really, but Swedish racists are just fucking terrified?We have to agree to disagree on that one as they have taken in the most in europe.

And the "dire consequences" of that have been.......

Neither.

The original sentence was "have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone".

Are you seriously suggesting that I've somehow misrepresented the claim being made?

Reading - you should get better at it.

No, you've just clumsily added your own words to make the post seem more inflammatory.

Nice try though

Have a bit of dignity, you were full of shit and got caught.

Just put your hand up and admit it.

This post makes no sense. How was I "full of shit?". You added a word to somebody else's post to alter its meaning, then responded to the amended post. Are you a Daily Mail columnist?

Except I didn't, did I?

But if you're so certain that I did, please feel free to explain the differences between these two phrases.

"have seen the consequences of how wrong it have gone"

And

"Dire consequences".

I'll wait.

Ooh, tough one. My guess would be the word "dire". What do I win?

No, I said explain.

You have to explain how it changes the meaning of the sentence.

Try again.

Grammar - the difference between knowing you're shit and knowing your shit

Nope, you can also use quotation marks to donate incredulity. Similar to air quotes.

But that's an aside.

You claimed I "altered it's meaning".

Feel free to show how."

Air quotes ffs

I'm just going to leave you think about that one

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over a year ago

Of course I am."

That's cute.

I think I actually missed you. The incredulous delusions of grandeur, the myopic opinions downloaded straight from some ultra leftist blog without a thought, the desire to fight with the back of your hand, the way you trip yourself up on your own obtuse logic filled with double and triple negatives galore and how you use these wonderfully large words (that i don't think you understand half the time) to say not much . You are a unique personality for sure (assuming you aren't a caricatured windup coming from some Russian content factory to destroy the West from the inside out).

I'd love to see you debate Jordan Peterson while you are in Canada.

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over a year ago

"I've seen more fights between Irish people who didn't take to Polish people than I have any other group, granted there's more Polish people here but saying irish took to the polish cause they're white is just racism from you. The polish came here looked for work anywhere, looked to join sports clubs, went on nights out etc... They did their best to make ireland their home and the natives their friends. I'm not saying other groups haven't done the exact same. I'm not even accusing any group in particular of not assimilating but there are groups that don't and I'm not just talking about ireland. I include Britain. You can pretend not assimilating doesn't cause friction and you can blame the friction on the natives but efforts have to be made on both sides. "

Yes, it's racist to point out the existence of low key racism.

That's exactly how that works.

And the cause of this friction you're talking about is one entirely on the side of the natives.

Their demands for "assimilation" are applied inconsistently, and are basically impossible, because what they actually want is for people not to be noticeably foreign - kind of difficult when you don't share a skin colour, wouldn't you say.

And before you reply that it's not the case, I'd remind you that I have obviously not assimilated and suffer no penalty for it. Nobody has told me to go back home

And I am part of a group that notoriously does not assimilate (hint: so are you) but we all happen to look like the natives so we get a pass.

Funny that....

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over a year ago

Dire is a much stronger adjective than "going wrong".

Weasel words as they say.

The general style here is of "so you are saying......". An irritating style of argument if there ever was one, especially when you swap in your own words for creative license.

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over a year ago

And before you reply that it's not the case, I'd remind you that I have obviously not assimilated and suffer no penalty for it. Nobody has told me to go back home

Funny that...."

A fine anecdotal account of one man's experience.

Have you tried the same tact strictly As Gaeilge?

Do you credit the shared language or just your skin tone?

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over a year ago

Of course I am.

That's cute.

I'd love to see you debate Jordan Peterson while you are in Canada.

Of course. Those arguments you are certain are wrong, but can never argue against.

Plus ça change....

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over a year ago

Yes, it's racist to point out the existence of low key racism.

That's exactly how that works.

And the cause of this friction you're talking about is one entirely on the side of the natives.

And before you reply that it's not the case, I'd remind you that I have obviously not assimilated and suffer no penalty for it. Nobody has told me to go back home

And I am part of a group that notoriously does not assimilate (hint: so are you) but we all happen to look like the natives so we get a pass.

Funny that...."

So you're Irish living in Canada is it? You can speak English and basically live a western lifestyle. Why would you not make friends with the Canadians, learn about the country, watch their TV shows and embrace their sense of humour? That's just weird.

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over a year ago

I'm still pissing myself laughing at "air quotes". DemonJohn, have you got a ponytail?

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over a year ago

Yes, it's racist to point out the existence of low key racism.

That's exactly how that works.

And the cause of this friction you're talking about is one entirely on the side of the natives.

And before you reply that it's not the case, I'd remind you that I have obviously not assimilated and suffer no penalty for it. Nobody has told me to go back home

And I am part of a group that notoriously does not assimilate (hint: so are you) but we all happen to look like the natives so we get a pass.

Funny that....

Yes, and this is important, Quebec is French Canada.

French is the language here, not English.

And it's not the only place I've lived where English isn't the language of the land. Like I said, I spent the last five years living in non English speaking countries.

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"I'm still pissing myself laughing at "air quotes". DemonJohn, have you got a ponytail?

Do you have an answer for the question you've been asked?

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Funny that....

I think he did. Probably even died his hair blue. Should probably sample some BC bud to gain a bit of perspective though.

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over a year ago

Yes, and this is important, Quebec is French Canada.

French is the language here, not English.

And it's not the only place I've lived where English isn't the language of the land. Like I said, I spent the last five years living in non English speaking countries."

Fair enough.

How's your French?

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Yes, and this is important, Quebec is French Canada.

French is the language here, not English.

And it's not the only place I've lived where English isn't the language of the land. Like I said, I spent the last five years living in non English speaking countries.

Fair enough.

How's your French? "

I don't have any.

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over a year ago

Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been.

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"Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been. "

Because I don't need to and there's no pressure on me to do so. I don't have people telling me to assimilate, because I already look like them, so they go easy on me.

Textbook white privilege in action, basically.

As for other immigrants, those who don't look "Canadian" have more societal pressure placed on them to "assimilate", regardless.

Because it's not actually something people are interested in, beyond using it as the acceptable face of some low key racism.

If they were, I wouldn't have it so easy.

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"Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been.

Because I don't need to and there's no pressure on me to do so. I don't have people telling me to assimilate, because I already look like them, so they go easy on me.

Textbook white privilege in action, basically.

As for other immigrants, those who don't look "Canadian" have more societal pressure placed on them to "assimilate", regardless.

Because it's not actually something people are interested in, beyond using it as the acceptable face of some low key racism.

If they were, I wouldn't have it so easy."

You look act and basically are one of them. Most people in quebec understand English. They're a western culture. Just cause you ignore most of them doesn't mean you're not like them. Anyway you seem kinda weird not wanting to make friends with any on the natives. I would have taken a different approach if I was to make quebec my home. I'd want to understand everything around me so would make an attempt to speak French for my own good.

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"Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been.

Because I don't need to and there's no pressure on me to do so. I don't have people telling me to assimilate, because I already look like them, so they go easy on me.

Textbook white privilege in action, basically.

As for other immigrants, those who don't look "Canadian" have more societal pressure placed on them to "assimilate", regardless.

Because it's not actually something people are interested in, beyond using it as the acceptable face of some low key racism.

If they were, I wouldn't have it so easy.

You look act and basically are one of them. "

You're half right. I certainly look like I am Canadian.

But you're, again, making my point for me. I have done nothing to assimilate into their culture, but as you point out, because I look like them, they just don't notice.

This is why this idea that immigrants must assimilate is bunk.

It's really just a socially acceptable way to say, in the western world at least, "we would prefer whites only".

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"Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been.

Because I don't need to and there's no pressure on me to do so. I don't have people telling me to assimilate, because I already look like them, so they go easy on me.

Textbook white privilege in action, basically.

As for other immigrants, those who don't look "Canadian" have more societal pressure placed on them to "assimilate", regardless.

Because it's not actually something people are interested in, beyond using it as the acceptable face of some low key racism.

If they were, I wouldn't have it so easy.

You look act and basically are one of them.

You're half right. I certainly look like I am Canadian.

But you're, again, making my point for me. I have done nothing to assimilate into their culture, but as you point out, because I look like them, they just don't notice.

This is why this idea that immigrants must assimilate is bunk.

It's really just a socially acceptable way to say, in the western world at least, "we would prefer whites only"."

Why have you done nothing to assimilate? Do you consider yourself to be in some way superior?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists."

You can pass as a native until you open your mouth.

We're looking to spend a lot of time in Spain, possibly moving there, but certainly 3 months at a time once or twice a year.

We're both learning Spanish, as we think it's not only important, but right to do so.

I also speak some French and Italian.

One of our daughters speaks 6 or 7 other languages, teaches 3 of them. If she's going to a new cointry, she'll learn the basics of the language before she goes. Her basics are having a conversation, not just "hello, a beer please" and "goodbye". Because of her looks, she passes off easily as coming from latin countries. This continues when she speaks.

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"Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been.

Because I don't need to and there's no pressure on me to do so. I don't have people telling me to assimilate, because I already look like them, so they go easy on me.

Textbook white privilege in action, basically.

As for other immigrants, those who don't look "Canadian" have more societal pressure placed on them to "assimilate", regardless.

Because it's not actually something people are interested in, beyond using it as the acceptable face of some low key racism.

If they were, I wouldn't have it so easy.

You look act and basically are one of them.

You're half right. I certainly look like I am Canadian.

But you're, again, making my point for me. I have done nothing to assimilate into their culture, but as you point out, because I look like them, they just don't notice.

This is why this idea that immigrants must assimilate is bunk.

It's really just a socially acceptable way to say, in the western world at least, "we would prefer whites only"."

When I say you look and act like them I mean you dress, eat and basically are one cause they're a western culture. Ireland takes more of its modern culture from America than it does Europe and Canada would be the same. Yes they speak French but multiple sources tell me the majority can understand English too so that's not even a problem. Just cause you've embarrassed yourself in your new country by refusing to mix with the native (kinda sounds racist when you say it) doesn't mean all immigrants should and you keep talking about colour when I said my worst experience is with a polish lad in work who like you refuses to mix with anyone besides the polish. Colour.... Colour.... Colour.... Just said I'd write it a few more times cause you seem to like that word

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This is why this idea that immigrants must assimilate is bunk.

It's really just a socially acceptable way to say, in the western world at least, "we would prefer whites only"."

In the words of walking victim complexes the world over, "wow, just wow".

You need to find a better relationship with reality!!!

It sounds like you hold that opinion yourself, maybe deep and subconsciously who knows but you don't speak for me, my peers or the silent majority of decent, considerate people who respect human beings as human beings.

You haven't given much "evidence" of the forced assimilation and other plights for non-white immigrants to Canada.

Again the Canadian mood judging from the political landscape (and mostly ignorance to be fair...but at least in contrast to the Brexit effect) doesn't reflect a place that accepts racist views in the slightest.

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over a year ago

1 million brits living in Spain anyone hazard a guess how many are fluent.

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over a year ago

"1 million brits living in Spain anyone hazard a guess how many are fluent.

1 million?

Where did you get that figure from?

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Sorry my mistake Its around 760'000 .So how many speak fluent Spanish fella??

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Sorry my mistake Its around 760'000 .So how many speak fluent Spanish fella??"

Think the figure is nearer 350,000.

I would think less than 5% speak fluent Spanish but I am basing that figure on watching "Bargain Brits In Benidorm"

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over a year ago

Grantham

And let's face it, the Brits are very lazy when it comes to languages.

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over a year ago

Brits in Spain make very little attempt to assimilate they live in little British enclaves surrounded by English speakers.

Sounds familiar doesn't it.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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"Brits in Spain make very little attempt to assimilate they live in little British enclaves surrounded by English speakers.

Sounds familiar doesn't it.

Did they move to Spain for work, or for the benefits provided by the Spanish welfare state?

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over a year ago

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Culture is dynamic.

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over a year ago

"Sorry my mistake Its around 760'000 .So how many speak fluent Spanish fella??"

310,000 more like.

I've no idea how many of those don't speak Spanish. A friend who has lived there for 30 years speaks fluent Spanish so that's one! It definitely helps if you do.

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"Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been.

Because I don't need to and there's no pressure on me to do so. I don't have people telling me to assimilate, because I already look like them, so they go easy on me.

Textbook white privilege in action, basically.

As for other immigrants, those who don't look "Canadian" have more societal pressure placed on them to "assimilate", regardless.

Because it's not actually something people are interested in, beyond using it as the acceptable face of some low key racism.

If they were, I wouldn't have it so easy.

You look act and basically are one of them.

You're half right. I certainly look like I am Canadian.

But you're, again, making my point for me. I have done nothing to assimilate into their culture, but as you point out, because I look like them, they just don't notice.

This is why this idea that immigrants must assimilate is bunk.

It's really just a socially acceptable way to say, in the western world at least, "we would prefer whites only".

Why have you done nothing to assimilate? Do you consider yourself to be in some way superior?"

I've already answered this.

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This is why this idea that immigrants must assimilate is bunk.

It's really just a socially acceptable way to say, in the western world at least, "we would prefer whites only".

In the words of walking victim complexes the world over, "wow, just wow".

You need to find a better relationship with reality!!!

You haven't given much "evidence" of the forced assimilation and other plights for non-white immigrants to Canada.

If the the entire breadth of your counter argument is "I know nothing about this, but I choose not to believe it because that suits me" then I have no further interest in humouring you.

As for the political climate, I know you don't actually know anything about it, seeing as Ontario just elected, dollarama Donald Trump, Doug Ford, to be their premiere, and handed his party majority.

So when people elected him because of concerns they have about immigrants coming to Ontario and not "assimilating", it's not people like me they're worried about.

But feel free to not believe that either, if it's not convenient for you.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

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"Sorry my mistake Its around 760'000 .So how many speak fluent Spanish fella??"

There were 306,000 UK-born people with residency in Spain in 2015, according to the European statistics agency Eurostat, which used figures reported by Spanish authorities

So from 1,000,000 to 760,000 to 306,000.

And the answer? Not many....though I have family that live there and they all speak Spanish fluently...as will we when we live there.

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"Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been.

Because I don't need to and there's no pressure on me to do so. I don't have people telling me to assimilate, because I already look like them, so they go easy on me.

Textbook white privilege in action, basically.

As for other immigrants, those who don't look "Canadian" have more societal pressure placed on them to "assimilate", regardless.

Because it's not actually something people are interested in, beyond using it as the acceptable face of some low key racism.

If they were, I wouldn't have it so easy.

You look act and basically are one of them.

You're half right. I certainly look like I am Canadian.

But you're, again, making my point for me. I have done nothing to assimilate into their culture, but as you point out, because I look like them, they just don't notice.

This is why this idea that immigrants must assimilate is bunk.

It's really just a socially acceptable way to say, in the western world at least, "we would prefer whites only".

You're not really making the argument you think you are.

You point out that according to " multiple sources the majority can understand English too so that's not even a problem". Leaving aside that isn't really true, you're ignoring that the Quebecois are francophones, first and foremost.

So, if I was to assimilate, as you imagine I should, then I should be learning French and not sticking to English, surely?

I mean, I commend you on continually making my point for me, by giving me a pass for not bothering to learn the native language and continuing to enjoy the privilege my colour brings, but it's rather undermining your insistence that assimilation is something all immigrants should strive for.

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"Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been.

Because I don't need to and there's no pressure on me to do so. I don't have people telling me to assimilate, because I already look like them, so they go easy on me.

Textbook white privilege in action, basically.

As for other immigrants, those who don't look "Canadian" have more societal pressure placed on them to "assimilate", regardless.

Because it's not actually something people are interested in, beyond using it as the acceptable face of some low key racism.

If they were, I wouldn't have it so easy.

You look act and basically are one of them.

You're half right. I certainly look like I am Canadian.

But you're, again, making my point for me. I have done nothing to assimilate into their culture, but as you point out, because I look like them, they just don't notice.

This is why this idea that immigrants must assimilate is bunk.

It's really just a socially acceptable way to say, in the western world at least, "we would prefer whites only".

You're not really making the argument you think you are.

So, if I was to assimilate, as you imagine I should, then I should be learning French and not sticking to English, surely?

If they have any self respect and respect for their hosts they should.

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"Sorry my mistake Its around 760'000 .So how many speak fluent Spanish fella??

310,000 more like.

I've no idea how many of those don't speak Spanish. A friend who has lived there for 30 years speaks fluent Spanish so that's one! It definitely helps if you do."
Yeah Yeah. Us brits always learn the lingo and all those expats are fluent Your always good for a laugh.

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over a year ago

"Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been.

Because I don't need to and there's no pressure on me to do so. I don't have people telling me to assimilate, because I already look like them, so they go easy on me.

Textbook white privilege in action, basically.

As for other immigrants, those who don't look "Canadian" have more societal pressure placed on them to "assimilate", regardless.

Because it's not actually something people are interested in, beyond using it as the acceptable face of some low key racism.

If they were, I wouldn't have it so easy.

You look act and basically are one of them.

You're half right. I certainly look like I am Canadian.

But you're, again, making my point for me. I have done nothing to assimilate into their culture, but as you point out, because I look like them, they just don't notice.

This is why this idea that immigrants must assimilate is bunk.

It's really just a socially acceptable way to say, in the western world at least, "we would prefer whites only".

You're not really making the argument you think you are.

So, if I was to assimilate, as you imagine I should, then I should be learning French and not sticking to English, surely?

If they have any self respect and respect for their hosts they should. "

Their hosts don't seem to be that pushed, provided the immigrants look like one of them.

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over a year ago

Not sure how "self respect" figures into this, beyond the usual pathetic use of that phrase to try and shame someone into acting as you want them to.

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over a year ago

"Why not?

With your linguistic gymnastics I thought you'd be a dab hand.

Anyway....enough of that....back to the topic, do other immigrants to canada get a rougher deal?

Canada strikes me as a very friendly and tolerant place but I've never been.

Because I don't need to and there's no pressure on me to do so. I don't have people telling me to assimilate, because I already look like them, so they go easy on me.

Textbook white privilege in action, basically.

As for other immigrants, those who don't look "Canadian" have more societal pressure placed on them to "assimilate", regardless.

Because it's not actually something people are interested in, beyond using it as the acceptable face of some low key racism.

If they were, I wouldn't have it so easy.

You look act and basically are one of them.

You're half right. I certainly look like I am Canadian.

But you're, again, making my point for me. I have done nothing to assimilate into their culture, but as you point out, because I look like them, they just don't notice.

This is why this idea that immigrants must assimilate is bunk.

It's really just a socially acceptable way to say, in the western world at least, "we would prefer whites only".

You're not really making the argument you think you are.

So, if I was to assimilate, as you imagine I should, then I should be learning French and not sticking to English, surely?

If they have any self respect and respect for their hosts they should.

Their hosts don't seem to be that pushed, provided the immigrants look like one of them."

I looked like a Spaniard when I lived there but was looked down upon by the other residents in the block because there was always an awkward silence in the lift or garden or it was difficult to get help from the caretaker if I needed it. So I learnt the language so that I didn’t appear so thick/ignorant, so that they had more respect for me and so that they didn’t feel awkward around me. We can’t all be as superior as you. You are the worst kind of racist because you don’t even realise it. IMHO

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over a year ago

Anyone suggesting ex pats in Spain are fluent are talking out their arse.We all know brits there who struggle ordering coffee.No doubt a few make the effort.To say the majority do is absolute bullshit.

The reason being is English is the global language and the need to learn a foreign language isn't there.So save the bullshit about foreigners coming here an not learning English we Brits are the worst offenders on earth because our mother tongue is global.

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over a year ago

"Anyone suggesting ex pats in Spain are fluent are talking out their arse.We all know brits there who struggle ordering coffee.No doubt a few make the effort.To say the majority do is absolute bullshit.

Partly true. But you try to do any business over there or use the services or health service without an interpreter, at your own expense, and you’re fucked

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over a year ago

"Sorry my mistake Its around 760'000 .So how many speak fluent Spanish fella??

310,000 more like.

I've no idea how many of those don't speak Spanish. A friend who has lived there for 30 years speaks fluent Spanish so that's one! It definitely helps if you do. Yeah Yeah. Us brits always learn the lingo and all those expats are fluent Your always good for a laugh."

I think the Italian sun is affecting your ability to read correctly.

I never said all the ex-pats are fluent. I know one that is. I'm sure he isn't the only one.

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over a year ago

"You are the worst kind of racist because you don’t even realise it. IMHO"

Of course I am. How could it possibly be otherwise?

How perceptive of you.

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over a year ago

"You are the worst kind of racist because you don’t even realise it. IMHO

Of course I am. How could it possibly be otherwise?

How perceptive of you."

Not really. I’m obviously not the only one here who can see it

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It's not uncommon for people to fall back on the whole "noticing racism makes you the *real* racist" thing in lieu of using their words and thinking about what they're saying.

As an accusation it doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny, bit it never was meant to.

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"It's not uncommon for people to fall back on the whole "noticing racism makes you the *real* racist" thing in lieu of using their words and thinking about what they're saying.

As an accusation it doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny, bit it never was meant to."

Ah, you can speak French. And fluent gibberish

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"It's not uncommon for people to fall back on the whole "noticing racism makes you the *real* racist" thing in lieu of using their words and thinking about what they're saying.

As an accusation it doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny, bit it never was meant to.

Ah, you can speak French. And fluent gibberish "

Sorry, I can use smaller words if you honestly think that would help.

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over a year ago

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"It's not uncommon for people to fall back on the whole "noticing racism makes you the *real* racist" thing in lieu of using their words and thinking about what they're saying.

As an accusation it doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny, bit it never was meant to.

Ah, you can speak French. And fluent gibberish

Sorry, I can use smaller words if you honestly think that would help."

It might help, you don't seem to be overly adept at the use of bigger words.

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over a year ago

Tbh a concise summary of what makes someone the worse kind of racist would be useful. Someone made a jump in logic I’ve missed. It felt like not learning the langauage of a new country made you worse than the KKK ....

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"Tbh a concise summary of what makes someone the worse kind of racist would be useful. Someone made a jump in logic I’ve missed. It felt like not learning the langauage of a new country made you worse than the KKK ...."

Yes. At least they are honest. Or know/realise they are racist

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Yes. At least they are honest. Or know/realise they are racist "
and how is not wanting to learn the language racist ?

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Yes. At least they are honest. Or know/realise they are racist and how is not wanting to learn the language racist ?"

We are talking about not wanting to assimilate. Maybe it’s beneath him

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over a year ago

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"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

I love having polish friends who cant speak or read english very well after ten years here, just last week we went into a small shop and polish guy picks up butter milk, me and shop keeper looked at each other and smiled, got back to work and i sat and watched as he raised the carton to his mouth... I havent laughed so much in a long time

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"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

Just googled.

A fridge isn’t truly Polish without a bottle of buttermilk, or maslanka. Much like soured milk or kefir, it’s a very popular and refreshing drink, and a common side to a typical summer lunch"

I love kefir. May try this maslanka. Kudos for him for realising it was called buttermilk. And finding it in a small shop. Kefir has only just started today get into supermarkets.

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"It's not uncommon for people to fall back on the whole "noticing racism makes you the *real* racist" thing in lieu of using their words and thinking about what they're saying.

As an accusation it doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny, bit it never was meant to.

Ah, you can speak French. And fluent gibberish

Sorry, I can use smaller words if you honestly think that would help.

It might help, you don't seem to be overly adept at the use of bigger words."

Far more than you'll ever be.

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over a year ago

Yes. At least they are honest. Or know/realise they are racist and how is not wanting to learn the language racist ?

We are talking about not wanting to assimilate. Maybe it’s beneath him "

Maybe.

I mean maybe it's something less stupid.

Who knows.....

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over a year ago

A town near you

"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

Just googled.

A fridge isn’t truly Polish without a bottle of buttermilk, or maslanka. Much like soured milk or kefir, it’s a very popular and refreshing drink, and a common side to a typical summer lunch

I love kefir. May try this maslanka. Kudos for him for realising it was called buttermilk. And finding it in a small shop. Kefir has only just started today get into supermarkets. "

He wasnt expecting buttermilk as he lowered it back, projectile vomiting ensued

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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"Do you all agree that immigrants should do their upmost to assimilate into their new countries?

Nope.

Because everyone who says that people should are full of shit.

And nobody gives me any shit about it, because I can pass as a native based on my skin colour.

So, I don't see why there is any onus on a anyone to waste time making themselves more palatable low-key racists.

The idea that people ought to "assimilate" is utter bullshit. If you can pass as a native then those people who claim it is important don't actually care.

If you're noticeably foreign looking, suddenly it's all "speak the language" and "stop celebrating things we don't".

Just googled.

A fridge isn’t truly Polish without a bottle of buttermilk, or maslanka. Much like soured milk or kefir, it’s a very popular and refreshing drink, and a common side to a typical summer lunch

I love kefir. May try this maslanka. Kudos for him for realising it was called buttermilk. And finding it in a small shop. Kefir has only just started today get into supermarkets. "

Kefir tastes like bile imo.

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"Not sure how "self respect" figures into this, beyond the usual pathetic use of that phrase to try and shame someone into acting as you want them to."

If you had any self respect you would see that your personal stories seen through your own biased eyes tell us virtually nothing about how accepted or unaccepted people are.

It tells us that you see what you want to see.

Have you got anything concrete to make your point or is it angry hyperbole?

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