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Echoes of the holocaust from Italy

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

So it begins, Italy's new far-right government purges the country of people it considers undesirable.

A census of the Roma community, followed by deportation of non-Italian travellers whom it stigmatises as criminal.

The interior minister says "unfortunately" they cannot deport Italian-born Roma.

Huge row in Italy and real challenge to the concept of human rights that underpins any country's membership of the EU.

The European Convention on Human Rights, which predates the EU, was drawn up by the UK in the 1950s as a guarantee that no country ever again do what the fascists did to the Roma, the Jews and others in the 1930s and 1940s.

The persecution of the Roma in Nazi Germany in the mid 1930s was one of their first purges. Again, stigmatised as criminals of impure blood, the deportations soon followed racial stereotyping.

Italy now wants to go down the same road.

Will the rest of Europe stand idly by, as it did in the 1930s?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course it will

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While being EU members anyway. You know, solidarity and all that

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

There are people on this forum who would happily get their hands dirty rounding them up.

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By *urve BallWoman
over a year ago

North London


"So it begins, Italy's new far-right government purges the country of people it considers undesirable.

A census of the Roma community, followed by deportation of non-Italian travellers whom it stigmatises as criminal.

The interior minister says "unfortunately" they cannot deport Italian-born Roma.

Huge row in Italy and real challenge to the concept of human rights that underpins any country's membership of the EU.

The European Convention on Human Rights, which predates the EU, was drawn up by the UK in the 1950s as a guarantee that no country ever again do what the fascists did to the Roma, the Jews and others in the 1930s and 1940s.

The persecution of the Roma in Nazi Germany in the mid 1930s was one of their first purges. Again, stigmatised as criminals of impure blood, the deportations soon followed racial stereotyping.

Italy now wants to go down the same road.

Will the rest of Europe stand idly by, as it did in the 1930s?

"

As usual, money will talk. I heard today that Merkel will probably give Italy (and possibly other countries which bear the brunt of immigration) more money in support to deal with them, as well as some other concessions, primarily to save her own skin but also to calm things down.

Long term, there will be a common policy agreed on how to deal with the large number of immigrants crossing into Europe and I really think it will come about soon. They have pushed that can as far down the road as they could. It won't go any further and I'm sure they realise it now.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Did the EU do anything in Spain while democracy was being crushed and peaceful voters went to the polls in Catalonia only to be beaten to a pulp by Spanish police? No the EU did nothing so why expect any action in Italy?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

There’s ppl on this forum that would happily get there hands dirty rounding leave voters up and kicking them out aswell _lcc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There’s ppl on this forum that would happily get there hands dirty rounding leave voters up and kicking them out aswell _lcc "

UK's Labour party seem to be the most likely instigators of a holocaust, bearing in mind their anti-Jewish proliferation. Will Herr Corbyn be employed as an adviser to the Italians?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry, didn't mean to quote foxychicks post.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"There’s ppl on this forum that would happily get there hands dirty rounding leave voters up and kicking them out aswell _lcc "

That's funny, I haven't seen any Remainers tell Brexiters to leave, I have however seen Brexiters tell Remainers to leave. Although their comments did seem to aimed specifically at people with certain profile pictures.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

The former director of the CIA says that the camps used to detain migrant children are reminiscent of Auschwitz. A Fox News host however has said that they are "essentially summer camps" for migrant children.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"UK's Labour party seem to be the most likely instigators of a holocaust, bearing in mind their anti-Jewish proliferation. Will Herr Corbyn be employed as an adviser to the Italians?"

What a joke!

You accuse a man who has spent his adult life fighting racism and bigotry of being like Hitler while naming yourself after a racial slur issued by a man who is the stereotypical perfect tall blond Aryan male. I could carry on but there is no point.

You are clearly a disgraceful and hateful individual.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"So it begins, Italy's new far-right government purges the country of people it considers undesirable.

A census of the Roma community, followed by deportation of non-Italian travellers whom it stigmatises as criminal.

The interior minister says "unfortunately" they cannot deport Italian-born Roma.

Huge row in Italy and real challenge to the concept of human rights that underpins any country's membership of the EU.

The European Convention on Human Rights, which predates the EU, was drawn up by the UK in the 1950s as a guarantee that no country ever again do what the fascists did to the Roma, the Jews and others in the 1930s and 1940s.

The persecution of the Roma in Nazi Germany in the mid 1930s was one of their first purges. Again, stigmatised as criminals of impure blood, the deportations soon followed racial stereotyping.

Italy now wants to go down the same road.

Will the rest of Europe stand idly by, as it did in the 1930s?

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A bit over the top

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The holocaust did not begin with gas chambers.

Racial and ethnic cleansing occurred because of years of propoganda designed to dehumanise minorities, to erode empathy and enable ordinary people to shrug their shoulders in slient acquiesence.

A financial crash, years of austerity and the rise of demagogues, populists and extremists.

The characters are different, the locations and victims may be different. But the pattern is similar.

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"So it begins, Italy's new far-right government purges the country of people it considers undesirable.

A census of the Roma community, followed by deportation of non-Italian travellers whom it stigmatises as criminal.

The interior minister says "unfortunately" they cannot deport Italian-born Roma.

Huge row in Italy and real challenge to the concept of human rights that underpins any country's membership of the EU.

The European Convention on Human Rights, which predates the EU, was drawn up by the UK in the 1950s as a guarantee that no country ever again do what the fascists did to the Roma, the Jews and others in the 1930s and 1940s.

The persecution of the Roma in Nazi Germany in the mid 1930s was one of their first purges. Again, stigmatised as criminals of impure blood, the deportations soon followed racial stereotyping.

Italy now wants to go down the same road.

Will the rest of Europe stand idly by, as it did in the 1930s?

A bit over the top"

Not if you have studied the history of the Nazis and their treatment of the Roma from about 1935 onwards.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"The holocaust did not begin with gas chambers.

Racial and ethnic cleansing occurred because of years of propoganda designed to dehumanise minorities, to erode empathy and enable ordinary people to shrug their shoulders in slient acquiesence.

A financial crash, years of austerity and the rise of demagogues, populists and extremists.

The characters are different, the locations and victims may be different. But the pattern is similar."
Yes very true but the world is a different place now hopefully.I prefer to be optimistic about these things for now and hope Europe knows better if not the rest of the world.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"The holocaust did not begin with gas chambers.

Racial and ethnic cleansing occurred because of years of propoganda designed to dehumanise minorities, to erode empathy and enable ordinary people to shrug their shoulders in slient acquiesence.

A financial crash, years of austerity and the rise of demagogues, populists and extremists.

The characters are different, the locations and victims may be different. But the pattern is similar.Yes very true but the world is a different place now hopefully.I prefer to be optimistic about these things for now and hope Europe knows better if not the rest of the world."

I'm sure they said the same thing in the 1930s and 1940s.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak for me."

--Martin Niemöller

Now they are coming for the Roma, will you speak out?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The holocaust did not begin with gas chambers.

Racial and ethnic cleansing occurred because of years of propoganda designed to dehumanise minorities, to erode empathy and enable ordinary people to shrug their shoulders in slient acquiesence.

A financial crash, years of austerity and the rise of demagogues, populists and extremists.

The characters are different, the locations and victims may be different. But the pattern is similar.Yes very true but the world is a different place now hopefully.I prefer to be optimistic about these things for now and hope Europe knows better if not the rest of the world."

It seems to me that people like the OP pick and choose which human rights they want to be concerned about. Something must be done in Italy, but zero fucks given about the human rights of Spanish voters in Catalonia.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


""First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak for me."

--Martin Niemöller

Now they are coming for the Roma, will you speak out? "

Did you speak out against the brutality that was inflicted on the Spanish people in Catalonia? Did you fuck! In fact you ignored their human rights and you backed the violent action that was being taken against them.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


""First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak for me."

--Martin Niemöller

Now they are coming for the Roma, will you speak out?

Did you speak out against the brutality that was inflicted on the Spanish people in Catalonia? Did you fuck! In fact you ignored their human rights and you backed the violent action that was being taken against them. "

It's alright Centaur, not a single person on this forum thought that you would stand up for the Roma.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


""First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak for me."

--Martin Niemöller

Now they are coming for the Roma, will you speak out? "
Yes a very famous and true quote

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


""First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak for me."

--Martin Niemöller

Now they are coming for the Roma, will you speak out? Yes a very famous and true quote"

How long do you think it will take to go from the Roma to the trans community?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak for me."

--Martin Niemöller

Now they are coming for the Roma, will you speak out? Yes a very famous and true quote

How long do you think it will take to go from the Roma to the trans community? "

You do know that this is the EU’s fault don’t you?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


""First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak for me."

--Martin Niemöller

Now they are coming for the Roma, will you speak out?

Did you speak out against the brutality that was inflicted on the Spanish people in Catalonia? Did you fuck! In fact you ignored their human rights and you backed the violent action that was being taken against them.

It's alright Centaur, not a single person on this forum thought that you would stand up for the Roma. "

As not a single person on this forum thought you would stand up for the Catalonians.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


""First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out; Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak for me."

--Martin Niemöller

Now they are coming for the Roma, will you speak out? Yes a very famous and true quote

How long do you think it will take to go from the Roma to the trans community?

You do know that this is the EU’s fault don’t you?"

Is that the 21st Century equivalent of "I was only following orders"? Now it's "the EU made me do it"

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Firstly I think that Italy expelling all non Italian Roma and Trump's treatment of the children is completely over the top and I do not condone either.

However this is a problem of the liberal left's own making.

For years anyone who has tried to open a reasonable debate on immigration has been shouted down as a racist, bigot, nazi Etc. and the debate shut down before it even started.

The liberal left's position has always been a full open door policy and to hell with any other viewpoint.

Well now they reaping what they have sown.

Somewhere in the bowels of history on this forum, when someone was chucking the Nazi slur around, I warned that if you keep labelling everyone who is even slightly right of centre a Nazi then when the real ones turn up you will not notice until it is too late and been well and truly bitten on the arse.

Why do you think Italians voted for the League? or Americans voted for Trump? For a laugh, a bit of a giggle?

No they voted because they were sick and tired of the left using them as election fodder then completely ignoring them. People have had enough.

It is about time, nay well overdue, that a sensible debate is opened on immigration.

Shouting people down, labelling anyone who advocates control as a Nazi, and kicking it into the long grass only adds to frustration and feeds the REAL far right.

As I said earlier, you reap what you sow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First they came for the toddlers...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"The former director of the CIA says that the camps used to detain migrant children are reminiscent of Auschwitz. A Fox News host however has said that they are "essentially summer camps" for migrant children. "

You can almost foresee them talking of giving the Roma exotic foreign holidays, deploying similar language cannibalism for their deportations.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

The scary bit for me was the fact that he expressed disappointment at not being able to kick out Italian born Roma people, which suggests there is more underlying going on...

It would be a bit like a UK government minister saying he was disappointed that he couldn’t remove British born black/ Asian people....

I am sure most would be horrified

I did notice that one of the usual suspects instead of condemning yet again went for the moral equivalence argument... which I am not surprised he did as he used the same argument for Charlottesville.... oops did I give away who it was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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However this is a problem of the liberal left's own making.

"

See also: "Baby, why do you make me hurt you?"

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