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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm just curious, where do you all lay on the issue of equality of oppertunity or equality of outcome?

And how many people know what im cuffing rambling about.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I often hear people, always men, say they always treat people the same.

So therefore they understand equality.

I cite the case of a disabled person trying to get into a hospital, or a foreign visitor in A & E who speaks no English.

Treat everyone the same and there would be no ramp for the wheelchair, no interpreter to explain to the doctor what the patient is complaining of.

Equality for me is recognition that we are all different, our needs are all different, and that all are equally deserving of respect and consideration of our needs.

Different people need different routes to access the same opportunity. Treat everyone the same and you deny some people access to the opportunity.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I often hear people, always men, say they always treat people the same.

So therefore they understand equality.

I cite the case of a disabled person trying to get into a hospital, or a foreign visitor in A & E who speaks no English.

Treat everyone the same and there would be no ramp for the wheelchair, no interpreter to explain to the doctor what the patient is complaining of.

Equality for me is recognition that we are all different, our needs are all different, and that all are equally deserving of respect and consideration of our needs.

Different people need different routes to access the same opportunity. Treat everyone the same and you deny some people access to the opportunity."

So equality of oppertunity then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I often hear people, always men, say they always treat people the same.

So therefore they understand equality.

I cite the case of a disabled person trying to get into a hospital, or a foreign visitor in A & E who speaks no English.

Treat everyone the same and there would be no ramp for the wheelchair, no interpreter to explain to the doctor what the patient is complaining of.

Equality for me is recognition that we are all different, our needs are all different, and that all are equally deserving of respect and consideration of our needs.

Different people need different routes to access the same opportunity. Treat everyone the same and you deny some people access to the opportunity."

Wheelchair access I can understand, but expecting there to be interpreters in every A & E department is taking equality too far. How do you propose this is funded?

What if the interpreter on duty doesn't speak your language? Can the patient sue the hospital for discrimination?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"I often hear people, always men, say they always treat people the same.

So therefore they understand equality.

I cite the case of a disabled person trying to get into a hospital, or a foreign visitor in A & E who speaks no English.

Treat everyone the same and there would be no ramp for the wheelchair, no interpreter to explain to the doctor what the patient is complaining of.

Equality for me is recognition that we are all different, our needs are all different, and that all are equally deserving of respect and consideration of our needs.

Different people need different routes to access the same opportunity. Treat everyone the same and you deny some people access to the opportunity.

Wheelchair access I can understand, but expecting there to be interpreters in every A & E department is taking equality too far. How do you propose this is funded?

What if the interpreter on duty doesn't speak your language? Can the patient sue the hospital for discrimination?"

Emergency services use a central translation service. Not cheap though.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Equity every time.

People are not equal, we all have differences therefore equality is never truly possible, but we all can and should be treated fairly.

Just my opinion OP.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Equity every time.

People are not equal, we all have differences therefore equality is never truly possible, but we all can and should be treated fairly.

Just my opinion OP."

Being treated fairly is all well and good to an extent.

But what happens when it is pushed into meritocracy as many groups are pushing for?

Nobody should be discrimidated against, but homo sapiens are not all equal, and thats good.

I hsve short legs but a broad chest and back, so im good at martial arts and swimmibg over running.

Im not good at creative writting, or design, but im good at statistics and biology.

So i fill a niche in the ecology of the job market, others take different ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I often hear people, always men, say they always treat people the same.

So therefore they understand equality.

I cite the case of a disabled person trying to get into a hospital, or a foreign visitor in A & E who speaks no English.

Treat everyone the same and there would be no ramp for the wheelchair, no interpreter to explain to the doctor what the patient is complaining of.

Equality for me is recognition that we are all different, our needs are all different, and that all are equally deserving of respect and consideration of our needs.

Different people need different routes to access the same opportunity. Treat everyone the same and you deny some people access to the opportunity.

Wheelchair access I can understand, but expecting there to be interpreters in every A & E department is taking equality too far. How do you propose this is funded?

What if the interpreter on duty doesn't speak your language? Can the patient sue the hospital for discrimination?

Emergency services use a central translation service. Not cheap though."

Here in France there are no expectations of providing an interpreter - you speak French if you need help you pay for it. Simples.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"I hsve short legs but a broad chest and back, so im good at swimmibg over running.

"

Actually, that is not so...

The reason caucasians are better swimmers than runners is because of our Achilles Tendons...

It's a genetic thing...

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Equality of opportunity, yes.

"Everybody is a Genius. But If You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid."

- Albert Einstein

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I hsve short legs but a broad chest and back, so im good at swimmibg over running.

Actually, that is not so...

The reason caucasians are better swimmers than runners is because of our Achilles Tendons...

It's a genetic thing..."

Oh i stand corrected,I thought it was greater shoulder to hip ratio defferentials

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"I hsve short legs but a broad chest and back, so im good at swimmibg over running.

Actually, that is not so...

The reason Caucasians are better swimmers than runners is because of our Achilles Tendons...

It's a genetic thing...

Oh i stand corrected,I thought it was greater shoulder to hip ratio defferentials"

Nope, you take 2 people of the same build and fitness and (on average) the Caucasian will be the faster and better swimmer. Now if you take a Negro and apply the same rules to them you will find they will be the fastest runners and highest jumpers again because of their Achilles Tendons, we are at opposite ends of the scale physiologically in this.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I often hear people, always men, say they always treat people the same.

So therefore they understand equality.

I cite the case of a disabled person trying to get into a hospital, or a foreign visitor in A & E who speaks no English.

Treat everyone the same and there would be no ramp for the wheelchair, no interpreter to explain to the doctor what the patient is complaining of.

Equality for me is recognition that we are all different, our needs are all different, and that all are equally deserving of respect and consideration of our needs.

Different people need different routes to access the same opportunity. Treat everyone the same and you deny some people access to the opportunity."
I have to say a brilliant answer,very impressive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Neither exists.Or will occur in your lifetime. There is no appetite for it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Neither exists.Or will occur in your lifetime. There is no appetite for it."

Disagree, I think there are factions in society - activist groups, who will push equality of outcome partially into government. They'll pitch it to parties and they'll persue it for votes.

I think over the last 50 years the West has progressively made equality of oppertunity more open. Work to be done, but I think its the best option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Neither exists.Or will occur in your lifetime. There is no appetite for it.

Disagree, I think there are factions in society - activist groups, who will push equality of outcome partially into government. They'll pitch it to parties and they'll persue it for votes.

I think over the last 50 years the West has progressively made equality of oppertunity more open. Work to be done, but I think its the best option. "

All very fringe and a minority thinking ,counter groups organised by the right cry foul all of the time.White men are being fucked over by ethnic minority groups and femininazis.There will be be no equality in your lifetime

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Equality of opportunity with strong protections for the truly weak

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