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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , "  | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , " Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? " both voters and any one standing for election should be made do an IQ test and below average told to go home , | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? both voters and any one standing for election should be made do an IQ test and below average told to go home ," Fair enough?? I think Diane Abbott would struggle | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? both voters and any one standing for election should be made do an IQ test and below average told to go home , Fair enough?? I think Diane Abbott would struggle " A lot more than her would struggle | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? both voters and any one standing for election should be made do an IQ test and below average told to go home , Fair enough?? I think Diane Abbott would struggle A lot more than her would struggle " Yeah course they would, just don’t ask her how many | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? both voters and any one standing for election should be made do an IQ test and below average told to go home ," Let's hope they don't impose a grammar test!  | |||
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"I worry about the alarming number of people with fascistic tendencies on this site. Surely you would argue that we should spend more on providing education and resources so everyone is able to be able to play a full and open part in our democracy, rather than disenfranchising those you don't agree are fit." While we're on the subject of historic quotes from politicians, the ex US President Ronald Reagan said...."If fascism returns it will come in the form of liberalism". | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? both voters and any one standing for election should be made do an IQ test and below average told to go home ," It seems a very strange argument to me . I prefer to treat every voter with respect. The vote of a cleaner is just as important to me as that of a multi millionaire . It is quite possible to have a high IQ and to be totally lacking in common sense . Would you criteria also apply to Financial standing . As the wealthy pat more tax would you also deprive the poor of a right to vote. ? | |||
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"I worry about the alarming number of people with fascistic tendencies on this site. Surely you would argue that we should spend more on providing education and resources so everyone is able to be able to play a full and open part in our democracy, rather than disenfranchising those you don't agree are fit. While we're on the subject of historic quotes from politicians, the ex US President Ronald Reagan said...."If fascism returns it will come in the form of liberalism". " | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? both voters and any one standing for election should be made do an IQ test and below average told to go home ," Why are you saying this? | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , " Please do some research before quoting pointless soundbites and attributing them to somebody of importance. This is NOT a quote from Churchill. From the Churchill.org website:- "The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. No attribution. Though he sometimes despaired of democracy’s slowness to act for its preservation, Churchill had a more positive attitude towards the average voter." | |||
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"It's easy to be duped by fascists many intellectuals debate today if trump is a fascist.Even Churchill was duped .In 1935, Churchill described Hitler as highly competent, with “an agreeable manner, a disarming smile, and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal magnetism.” " Neither is this quote from Churchill - it was cobbled together by a critic of WC, Patrick J. Buchanan whose writings have been trashed by historical scholars. | |||
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"I worry about the alarming number of people with fascistic tendencies on this site. Surely you would argue that we should spend more on providing education and resources so everyone is able to be able to play a full and open part in our democracy, rather than disenfranchising those you don't agree are fit. While we're on the subject of historic quotes from politicians, the ex US President Ronald Reagan said...."If fascism returns it will come in the form of liberalism". " Didn't he have Alzheimer's? | |||
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"I worry about the alarming number of people with fascistic tendencies on this site. Surely you would argue that we should spend more on providing education and resources so everyone is able to be able to play a full and open part in our democracy, rather than disenfranchising those you don't agree are fit. While we're on the subject of historic quotes from politicians, the ex US President Ronald Reagan said...."If fascism returns it will come in the form of liberalism". Didn't he have Alzheimer's?" His son said he had the condition while in office. | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , " Lol very true | |||
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"It's easy to be duped by fascists many intellectuals debate today if trump is a fascist.Even Churchill was duped .In 1935, Churchill described Hitler as highly competent, with “an agreeable manner, a disarming smile, and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal magnetism.” Neither is this quote from Churchill - it was cobbled together by a critic of WC, Patrick J. Buchanan whose writings have been trashed by historical scholars." Probably true | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , " And for every remainer who sees brexit as too difficult to contemplate - He also said; "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." For Pessimist read remainer, for optimist read brexiter.  | |||
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"I worry about the alarming number of people with fascistic tendencies on this site. Surely you would argue that we should spend more on providing education and resources so everyone is able to be able to play a full and open part in our democracy, rather than disenfranchising those you don't agree are fit. While we're on the subject of historic quotes from politicians, the ex US President Ronald Reagan said...."If fascism returns it will come in the form of liberalism". " This is often taken out of context. Rr said this at the hight of his popularity and is generally understood to be PR marketing to keep the conservative movement/right in general to be seen as the the only viable option. They often did mental gymnastics to connect the american left to the soviets and then soviets to fascists. In addition, true libralism cannot lead to tyrany. True liberalism is about granting the individual as much soverignty and responcibility for their choices and actions as possible. It rejects collectivism which is imposed by hard left socialists or marxists, far right fascists, and the nationalist right. In short tyrany usually arrises when one group organises their members to act in the interest of the group, not the individual - and harneses the collective power to superceed all other groups which are not coherse orstructured in a collectivist manner. Liberalism works to limit tyrany by applying laws to the individual and by empowering the individual, this reduces the number of people to drift into tyrany and limits how many people they can be tyranical to. I thibk you are trying to link liberalism with progressivism, which is a false dichotomy, as pressivism stems from the school of marxism dressed up as liberalism. | |||
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"Churchill also racist to the core and responsible for the bengal famine hes a cunt" Seconded Responsible for a lot more than that. Murdering elitist racist prick. Also, political education doesn't happen here til uni level, keeping voters dumb has been a tactic for years. | |||
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"Churchill also racist to the core and responsible for the bengal famine hes a cunt Seconded Responsible for a lot more than that. Murdering elitist racist prick. Also, political education doesn't happen here til uni level, keeping voters dumb has been a tactic for years. " You don't need a political education to know most politicians can't be trusted to do what they say! Have you had a political education or did that tirade against one of the nations greatest leaders come from your own brain cell!?  | |||
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"I worry about the alarming number of people with fascistic tendencies on this site. Surely you would argue that we should spend more on providing education and resources so everyone is able to be able to play a full and open part in our democracy, rather than disenfranchising those you don't agree are fit. While we're on the subject of historic quotes from politicians, the ex US President Ronald Reagan said...."If fascism returns it will come in the form of liberalism". " Early in his presidency Reagan was asked at a press conference what he thought of Camp David. "Never met the guy" was his reply (allegedly  ) | |||
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"Churchill also racist to the core and responsible for the bengal famine hes a cunt Seconded Responsible for a lot more than that. Murdering elitist racist prick. Also, political education doesn't happen here til uni level, keeping voters dumb has been a tactic for years. " It's quite interesting, this idea of selling Churchill as a glorious leader, beyond criticism. It certainly wasn't present in my grandparents generation (fought in WW2) - plenty despised him, including my grandparents. Those who revere him seem to be the post-war generation, firstly. I wonder if the education system and WW2 films perpetrated this as a "necessary" cold war propaganda. He was certainly examined more critically when I did A-level history, 20 years ago, perhaps now he is once again being seen as a useful tool to inspire blind nationalism. The recent film being a prime example of historical airbrushing. | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? both voters and any one standing for election should be made do an IQ test and below average told to go home ," And whst exactly is the cut off point? Or is it a sliding scale? IQs of 90-100 worth one vote, 100-110 worth 2 votes and so on? Anybody under a certain IQ doesnt get a vote...so do they have to pay tax etc? Small step towards eugenics...what a lovely idea! | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? both voters and any one standing for election should be made do an IQ test and below average told to go home , And whst exactly is the cut off point? Or is it a sliding scale? IQs of 90-100 worth one vote, 100-110 worth 2 votes and so on? Anybody under a certain IQ doesnt get a vote...so do they have to pay tax etc? Small step towards eugenics...what a lovely idea!" Would it be such a bad idea? An intelligent government elected by intelligent voters , The average iq in the UK is 100 so only above 100 can be elected and only above 100 iq can vote | |||
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"When you look at Brexit I have to agree with him , The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter , Just Brexit, let’s face it we could say the same about any election/ referendum. If democracy isn’t working what’s the alternative? Who do you think should be allowed to vote ? both voters and any one standing for election should be made do an IQ test and below average told to go home , And whst exactly is the cut off point? Or is it a sliding scale? IQs of 90-100 worth one vote, 100-110 worth 2 votes and so on? Anybody under a certain IQ doesnt get a vote...so do they have to pay tax etc? Small step towards eugenics...what a lovely idea! Would it be such a bad idea? An intelligent government elected by intelligent voters , The average iq in the UK is 100 so only above 100 can be elected and only above 100 iq can vote " You honestly think that's a good idea? You do know that an IQ test simply measures how good you are at taking IQ tests? Those low IQ voters get the same choice that all the rest get. I can only assume that your labouring under the misapprehension that low IQ voters don't vote your way. I wouldn't put money on it. | |||
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"Much more important to do it for juries, and for people who want to have children, than for elections. " So eugenics now is it? | |||
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"Much more important to do it for juries, and for people who want to have children, than for elections. So eugenics now is it? " Well deciding on someone's fate in a criminal court and whether they are suitable to bring up a child is much more important than in which box and for what reasons they put their cross on the ballot paper. | |||
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"You seriously think the state should have the right to decide which members of society should be able to procreate? Have you ever heard of what happened in Germany under the nazi regime? How do you propose this system works? Fail you GCSEs for a third time and its down to the butchers for compulsory sterilization?" Or in other words - a good idea, but just as unworkable as your election plan. | |||
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"No, its not a good idea to treat your fellow man as as some sort of untermensch. Look that word up. That's what your proposing." I speak German, and so I don't need to look it up. And most intelligent people treat less intelligent people differently, and with good reason. And look up the rate at which fraud trials collapse, and look at the proposals to conduct them without juries. Why? Because, in plain English, most jurors are too thick to understand the complexities of the issues in fraud trials, whereas the intelligent professional Judge is! | |||
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"But no all of those would be relevant to a test for the suitability to vote." I think emotional intelligence is very relevant.If you lack empathy for your fellow man then you will surely make a poor choice. | |||
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"But no all of those would be relevant to a test for the suitability to vote. I think emotional intelligence is very relevant.If you lack empathy for your fellow man then you will surely make a poor choice. "It is about what you want from your politician, not what others want. | |||
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"But no all of those would be relevant to a test for the suitability to vote. I think emotional intelligence is very relevant.If you lack empathy for your fellow man then you will surely make a poor choice.
It is about what you want from your politician, not what others want.
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"But no all of those would be relevant to a test for the suitability to vote. I think emotional intelligence is very relevant.If you lack empathy for your fellow man then you will surely make a poor choice.
It is about what you want from your politician, not what others want.
"Seems a bit selfish.Others are your friends and family and your community.Would you not vote on an issue that benefits your grandmother or mother and that doesn't benefit you.Many of us vote on issues that benefit our community making the place we live pleasant. | |||
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"But no all of those would be relevant to a test for the suitability to vote. I think emotional intelligence is very relevant.If you lack empathy for your fellow man then you will surely make a poor choice.
It is about what you want from your politician, not what others want.
I vote for who I think will be best for everyone. I don't believe everyone votes selfishly."Of course you do! You will vote for the party who is going to double your tax bill, yeah right! | |||
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"No, its not a good idea to treat your fellow man as as some sort of untermensch. Look that word up. That's what your proposing. I speak German, and so I don't need to look it up. And most intelligent people treat less intelligent people differently, and with good reason. And look up the rate at which fraud trials collapse, and look at the proposals to conduct them without juries. Why? Because, in plain English, most jurors are too thick to understand the complexities of the issues in fraud trials, whereas the intelligent professional Judge is!" The whole point of a jury is that they are laymen. One of the roles of the judge is to explain the complexities to them. | |||
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"But no all of those would be relevant to a test for the suitability to vote. I think emotional intelligence is very relevant.If you lack empathy for your fellow man then you will surely make a poor choice.
It is about what you want from your politician, not what others want.
I vote for who I think will be best for everyone. I don't believe everyone votes selfishly.
Of course you do! You will vote for the party who is going to double your tax bill, yeah right!"That depends on where the money will go. Don't presume everyone votes for the same reasons you do. Its arrogant. | |||
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"But no all of those would be relevant to a test for the suitability to vote. I think emotional intelligence is very relevant.If you lack empathy for your fellow man then you will surely make a poor choice.
It is about what you want from your politician, not what others want.
I vote for who I think will be best for everyone. I don't believe everyone votes selfishly.
Of course you do! You will vote for the party who is going to double your tax bill, yeah right!
That depends on where the money will go. Don't presume everyone votes for the same reasons you do. Its arrogant."Yeah right! Either you're not telling the truth or you don't pay much tax! Everyone votes for their own selfish reasons. | |||
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"And that's your final word on it then. You don't believe people have a social conscious, I'm a liar because everyone is selfish! Why do you think socialism was created? Or democracy?" Yeah, we've all seen socialists haven't we! Tony £millions made from politics Blair! And Jeremy I live in a £million odd pound house in desirable Islington Corbyn! | |||
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"You do know most socialists are working class and not part of the Islington set?" Not really! | |||
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"But no all of those would be relevant to a test for the suitability to vote. I think emotional intelligence is very relevant.If you lack empathy for your fellow man then you will surely make a poor choice.
It is about what you want from your politician, not what others want.
I vote for who I think will be best for everyone. I don't believe everyone votes selfishly.
Of course you do! You will vote for the party who is going to double your tax bill, yeah right!
That depends on where the money will go. Don't presume everyone votes for the same reasons you do. Its arrogant.
Yeah right! Either you're not telling the truth or you don't pay much tax! Everyone votes for their own selfish reasons. "I have voted Labour all my life and will continue to do so. I am fairly well off and have no illusions I would pay more tax if Labour got in. | |||
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"Do you know anything about the history of the Labour party?" Do I need to? Blair turned it into the Conservative Party Corbyn has turned it into the Communist Party. The last time that it was the Labour party was pre Blair winning in the 1990s! It hasn't been the Labour Party for over 20 years! | |||
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"I fail to see the relevance to the topic in hand. Low IQ people vote Tory/Labour. How do you think denying the vote to people of lower IQs will effect the outcome of an election? Do you think lower IQ people all vote against your political beliefs?" I didn't start the thread! I didn't even agree with it! I said that there were more important things in life that required an IQ test than the right to vote! You then started going on about the benefits of socialism and the Labour party, and when I pointed out their deficiencies and the demise respectively, suddenly you want to change the subject! | |||
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"I fail to see the relevance to the topic in hand. Low IQ people vote Tory/Labour. How do you think denying the vote to people of lower IQs will effect the outcome of an election? Do you think lower IQ people all vote against your political beliefs? I didn't start the thread! I didn't even agree with it! I said that there were more important things in life that required an IQ test than the right to vote! You then started going on about the benefits of socialism and the Labour party, and when I pointed out their deficiencies and the demise respectively, suddenly you want to change the subject!" I asked the question if you knew why democracy and socialism were invented, to try to get you to see just why your ideas about having an underclass of people denied a right given to others was wrong. If you cant see why the idea of scrapping democracy would be a bad idea then there is little hope for you. The people at the top don't tend to stay there or stay alive for long. How do you propose this system should be set up? How will it be policed? Or do you think people much cleverer than you can organise that. You want to be careful. You might just end up out in the cold yourself. | |||
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"I fail to see the relevance to the topic in hand. Low IQ people vote Tory/Labour. How do you think denying the vote to people of lower IQs will effect the outcome of an election? Do you think lower IQ people all vote against your political beliefs? I didn't start the thread! I didn't even agree with it! I said that there were more important things in life that required an IQ test than the right to vote! You then started going on about the benefits of socialism and the Labour party, and when I pointed out their deficiencies and the demise respectively, suddenly you want to change the subject! I asked the question if you knew why democracy and socialism were invented, to try to get you to see just why your ideas about having an underclass of people denied a right given to others was wrong. If you cant see why the idea of scrapping democracy would be a bad idea then there is little hope for you. The people at the top don't tend to stay there or stay alive for long. How do you propose this system should be set up? How will it be policed? Or do you think people much cleverer than you can organise that. You want to be careful. You might just end up out in the cold yourself." I would never be out in the cold because which ever system is implemented based on whatever, I will always be included! IQ General Knowledge Number of degrees Professional Qualifications Professional Career Income Tax Paid Band of Council Tax Savings Size and value of property | |||
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"I fail to see the relevance to the topic in hand. Low IQ people vote Tory/Labour. How do you think denying the vote to people of lower IQs will effect the outcome of an election? Do you think lower IQ people all vote against your political beliefs? I didn't start the thread! I didn't even agree with it! I said that there were more important things in life that required an IQ test than the right to vote! You then started going on about the benefits of socialism and the Labour party, and when I pointed out their deficiencies and the demise respectively, suddenly you want to change the subject! I asked the question if you knew why democracy and socialism were invented, to try to get you to see just why your ideas about having an underclass of people denied a right given to others was wrong. If you cant see why the idea of scrapping democracy would be a bad idea then there is little hope for you. The people at the top don't tend to stay there or stay alive for long. How do you propose this system should be set up? How will it be policed? Or do you think people much cleverer than you can organise that. You want to be careful. You might just end up out in the cold yourself. I would never be out in the cold because which ever system is implemented based on whatever, I will always be included! IQ General Knowledge Number of degrees Professional Qualifications Professional Career Income Tax Paid Band of Council Tax Savings Size and value of property " If it was on the size of your head you would definitely be included! | |||
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"I fail to see the relevance to the topic in hand. Low IQ people vote Tory/Labour. How do you think denying the vote to people of lower IQs will effect the outcome of an election? Do you think lower IQ people all vote against your political beliefs? I didn't start the thread! I didn't even agree with it! I said that there were more important things in life that required an IQ test than the right to vote! You then started going on about the benefits of socialism and the Labour party, and when I pointed out their deficiencies and the demise respectively, suddenly you want to change the subject! I asked the question if you knew why democracy and socialism were invented, to try to get you to see just why your ideas about having an underclass of people denied a right given to others was wrong. If you cant see why the idea of scrapping democracy would be a bad idea then there is little hope for you. The people at the top don't tend to stay there or stay alive for long. How do you propose this system should be set up? How will it be policed? Or do you think people much cleverer than you can organise that. You want to be careful. You might just end up out in the cold yourself. I would never be out in the cold because which ever system is implemented based on whatever, I will always be included! IQ General Knowledge Number of degrees Professional Qualifications Professional Career Income Tax Paid Band of Council Tax Savings Size and value of property " So is it all those things together or just one thing you have to pass? You do know there are multimillionaires in this country that neverlearned to read and write? Bunked off school and not one qualification? How long is it before your income/qualifications/size of house isn't deemed enough? You don't think these things through do you? You still haven't explained how it will be implemented and policed. You do know what happened in the UK when they tried to introduce a poll tax don't you? Riots. And that was a minority. Well just imagine the scale of violence when half the country is denied the vote. Or are you planning on those people being excused paying taxes? | |||
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"I fail to see the relevance to the topic in hand. Low IQ people vote Tory/Labour. How do you think denying the vote to people of lower IQs will effect the outcome of an election? Do you think lower IQ people all vote against your political beliefs? I didn't start the thread! I didn't even agree with it! I said that there were more important things in life that required an IQ test than the right to vote! You then started going on about the benefits of socialism and the Labour party, and when I pointed out their deficiencies and the demise respectively, suddenly you want to change the subject! I asked the question if you knew why democracy and socialism were invented, to try to get you to see just why your ideas about having an underclass of people denied a right given to others was wrong. If you cant see why the idea of scrapping democracy would be a bad idea then there is little hope for you. The people at the top don't tend to stay there or stay alive for long. How do you propose this system should be set up? How will it be policed? Or do you think people much cleverer than you can organise that. You want to be careful. You might just end up out in the cold yourself. I would never be out in the cold because which ever system is implemented based on whatever, I will always be included! IQ General Knowledge Number of degrees Professional Qualifications Professional Career Income Tax Paid Band of Council Tax Savings Size and value of property " | |||
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