FabSwingers.com forum: Trump and Iran

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is he a fekin tosser?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Yes. End of thread.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Hes looking for anything to replace Stormy Daniels in the news. Wont really happen though. Sooner the midterms start the better.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Not sure if it's all about regime change. There was unrest in iran a few months ago over a poor economy. not sure if he's looking for an excuse to increase sanctions to cause civil unrest there

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Uncertainty over Iran has pushed the oil price up, which benefits the USA. More tax dollars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The USA has been punishing Iran for decades so nothing new today from trump. .The Americans and Israel can't deal with an independent Iran that follows it's own path,be that funding Hezbollah which prevents Israel from invading the Lebanon.Or funding Palestinians against Israeli aggression.Id let Iran develop Nucleary weapons they are no more a threat than the United States or Israel in the region.

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The USA has been punishing Iran for decades so nothing new today from trump. .The Americans and Israel can't deal with an independent Iran that follows it's own path,be that funding Hezbollah which prevents Israel from invading the Lebanon.Or funding Palestinians against Israeli aggression.Id let Iran develop Nucleary weapons they are no more a threat than the United States or Israel in the region."

Blimey im agreeing with you.

I guess trump swallowed the bait from netanyahu with his little presentation of "iran lied" the other week.

Not sure how this is all going to play out in the long term but im betting it won't be for better.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

if iran play this smart they could almost start a new trade war if they stay in...

the us said all old sanctions will be put back on.. once of them being that if countries do business with iran, they would also be sanctioned... if us authorities go after european or chinese business, then game on with the retaliation....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

if iran play this smart they could almost start a new trade war if they stay in...

Agree. Could America handle multiple countries dealing woth iran and slapping sanctions everywhere? If that scenario played out that is

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

I am not seeing the news picking up on the most important aspect of this reversal. The news is talking about a renewed conflict between the United States and Iran but that is not even the half of it.

US sanctions alone on Iran are meaningless without support from others and the others have committed to hold the deal together. This potentially means US sanctions against the EU, U.K., Russia and China.

Where does that road lead to?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I see iran is proving trump correct by threatening to begin enriching uranium on an industrial level.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I am not seeing the news picking up on the most important aspect of this reversal. The news is talking about a renewed conflict between the United States and Iran but that is not even the half of it.

Where does that road lead to?"

that means that if US go after airbus for example, then boeing are probably shitting themselves right now....

there are going to be a lot of potential us business's there are waiting to see how sanctions will be applied...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I see iran is proving trump correct by threatening to begin enriching uranium on an industrial level. "

Sod it!, am disappointed in iran in that case

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Blimey im agreeing with you.

I guess trump swallowed the bait from netanyahu with his little presentation of "iran lied" the other week.

Not sure how this is all going to play out in the long term but im betting it won't be for better.

It makes a change for you to think Trump is in the wrong!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Is he a fekin tosser?

No. Just fulfilling his election campaign promises. People are fed up to the back teeth of politicians breaking their promises. Trump said he would do this on his campaign trail, and the American people elected him. He is keeping his promises.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Is he a fekin tosser?

Like May saying there would be vote on hunting?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is he a fekin tosser?

You use that line a lot to defend Qestern populist movements - which is fine, discontent with leaders in the West is high to varyi g degrees across nations.

However, what 'promise' was broken between the electorate vs the american state vs the iranian state in the iranian nuclear deal - sorry I thought this was just a geopolitical issue.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"I see iran is proving trump correct by threatening to begin enriching uranium on an industrial level.

Sod it!, am disappointed in iran in that case "

Of course they have to threaten it, its the only way to keep trade open with everyone else. If they say they'll abide by the terms regardless then no one has any reason to go against Trump. Its if they pull out of the deal that we can say its a problem.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's what Trump can get from this first and secondly about the USA.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe you all missed the news last month that Iran is not using the dollar for oil trading anymore?.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Maybe you all missed the news last month that Iran is not using the dollar for oil trading anymore?.

The Rothschilds etc won't be happy.

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Blimey im agreeing with you.

I guess trump swallowed the bait from netanyahu with his little presentation of "iran lied" the other week.

Not sure how this is all going to play out in the long term but im betting it won't be for better.

It makes a change for you to think Trump is in the wrong!"

Really?

So you missed all my posts disagreeing with trump over a year ago when he first bombed syria and again a few weeks back.

I disagreed with trump the second he reversed what he said in his election campaign that he wasnt going to get involved with the middle east and will focus on America.

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Maybe you all missed the news last month that Iran is not using the dollar for oil trading anymore?.

Uh oh thats the kinda criteria for a good ole regime change.

Let's hope not though

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Boris Johnson must feel like he wasted his time going to Washington this week to persuade the US not to walk away.

The only special relationship here is the one with Israel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe you all missed the news last month that Iran is not using the dollar for oil trading anymore?.

The Rothschilds etc won't be happy. "
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Try paying for your petrol in monopoly money, they go dingbat nuts

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

The real laugh is the total fallacy of the excuse to target Iran. Fact is it is Saudi and the Wahhabi fundamentalist Salafist movement of the Sunni branch of Islam that are the sponsors of international Islamic terrorism and it is the Shia branch of Islam that has its routes in Iran that are actually our friends. But I guess that as far as the establishment is concerned security is of less importance than the ability to seemingly exploit a market for profit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It just goes to show when you elect an idiot with a huge ego you get chaos and that is trump all over.

He is pulling out of the Iran deal which will probably result in conflict between Israel and Iran.

He is starting a trade war with China - which doesn't bode well. China could kill the US economy with the treasury bonds they hold - if they want to raise the pressure.

Trump is mouthing off again about North Korea before an important meeting about peace.

He thinks he's untouchable just like Adolph Hitler did and the world eventually turned on him!

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Let's get shady Tony Blair to go in ..he could check those naughty Iranian boys are not about to make womd....as he is expert at lies

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Iran and China are about wiping out what is left of Obama's legacy and protecting the petro$'s supremacy and therefore the $ place as the world reserve currency. Fact is if the US economy goes down the toilet tomorrow those that matter (the US Corporate State), which Trump is a bit player in will not be effected because they have been moving their commercial activity bases away from the states for decades now (including Trump). The US corporate world and their political front-men of the GOP could not give a shit if the US population starved to death tomorrow.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, this is about regime change.

The nuclear deal took years to agree.

It holds back the weapons element of Iran's nuclear programme, but does allow its civil development.

It was never designed to hold back anything else - missiles or Iranian influence in the middle east.

Trump seems to think that by walking away from it he can start with a clean slate.

It is high risk.

His objective, and that of the Israelis, appears to be to keep Iran as dormant as possible.

The Saudis are in the mix here, too.

The Sunni tribe (Saudi) hate the Shia tribe (Iran).

Saudi is developing its own nuclear programme and already declared it will get the bomb if Iran does.

Both Saudi and Iran, which do not currently have weapons, have signed the Non-Profileration Treaty.

This gives countries help with civil nuclear programmes in return for not developing military ones.

Israel, which does have the bomb, has not signed the NPT.

So you could argue the only rogue state here is Israel.

That said, Israel does not issue threatening rhetoric towards its neighbours. Iran does.

If Trump can broaden the curbs on Iran beyond nuclear to include missiles and the like, he'll be hailed a hero.

If he doesn't, the field is wide open for military conflict.

Israel has demonstrated on two occasions already that it is willing to bomb neighbouring countries to stop them getting what it has - the bomb.

On this one, the US, Israel and Saudi are isolated.

Iran, which allies with China and Russia, could emerge here as the reasonable party if it plays its cards right.

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By *estless nativeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

Just waiting for Israel to push their border further into Syria, so that they have full control of the Golan heights and surrounding area, giving Genie energy access to all of the oil and gas that has been found there.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"Boris Johnson must feel like he wasted his time going to Washington this week to persuade the US not to walk away.

The only special relationship here is the one with Israel.

Its only a waste if he had anything else productive to do.

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Yes, this is about regime change.

The nuclear deal took years to agree.

It holds back the weapons element of Iran's nuclear programme, but does allow its civil development.

It was never designed to hold back anything else - missiles or Iranian influence in the middle east.

Trump seems to think that by walking away from it he can start with a clean slate.

It is high risk.

His objective, and that of the Israelis, appears to be to keep Iran as dormant as possible.

The Saudis are in the mix here, too.

The Sunni tribe (Saudi) hate the Shia tribe (Iran).

Saudi is developing its own nuclear programme and already declared it will get the bomb if Iran does.

Both Saudi and Iran, which do not currently have weapons, have signed the Non-Profileration Treaty.

This gives countries help with civil nuclear programmes in return for not developing military ones.

Israel, which does have the bomb, has not signed the NPT.

So you could argue the only rogue state here is Israel.

That said, Israel does not issue threatening rhetoric towards its neighbours. Iran does.

If Trump can broaden the curbs on Iran beyond nuclear to include missiles and the like, he'll be hailed a hero.

If he doesn't, the field is wide open for military conflict.

Israel has demonstrated on two occasions already that it is willing to bomb neighbouring countries to stop them getting what it has - the bomb.

On this one, the US, Israel and Saudi are isolated.

Iran, which allies with China and Russia, could emerge here as the reasonable party if it plays its cards right.

And Israel has bombed an Iranian target in Syria today already.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't need a "special relationship" with America, which we have paid dearly for over decades.

We don't need a "special relationship" with anyone it seems

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

And Israel has bombed an Iranian target in Syria today already. "

I've no doubt this will embolden the Israelis.

They've been whining for years about Iran and how this deal does nothing to contain their malevolent influence.

Now they have someone in the White House who is their special buddy.

They've been lobbying Trump for a while.

And it was the Israelis that Trump turned to for any dirt on Obama and his team who drew up the agreement.

Trump and the Israelis are joined at the hip.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Do you think Putin is happy, or sad that the US is pulling out?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Trump is Churchill, to the rest of the world's Chamberlain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think Putin is happy, or sad that the US is pulling out?"
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I think your obsessed with Putin, try not to think about him for 24hrs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Trump is Churchill, to the rest of the world's Chamberlain. "
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Let's think about past experiences for a minute.

Iran have several military bases and aircraft carriers 12 miles of US territorial waters, they decide to blow an American airliner inside American airspace killing all 237 people on board and then say whoops we thought that was an American military plane coming to attack our warships....sorrrry.

What do you think America's response would be

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Do you think Putin is happy, or sad that the US is pulling out?.

I think your obsessed with Putin, try not to think about him for 24hrs."

I agree.

I will answer his question though putin wants the deal to remain intact from what ive read.

So this news will dissapoint russia i guess.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Do you think Putin is happy, or sad that the US is pulling out?.

I think your obsessed with Putin, try not to think about him for 24hrs.

I agree.

I will answer his question though putin wants the deal to remain intact from what ive read.

So this news will dissapoint russia i guess."

You don't think it plays into Russia's hands that trump/the US is falling out with allies?

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Why does it fall into Putin's hands? Trump is just doing what he promised in his manifesto, unlike virtually every other politician.

He said "From now on it will be America first".

And that is what he is doing. Putting America first.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

" Trump is Churchill, to the rest of the world's Chamberlain. "

Really...

Lets compare and contrast shall we:

Churchill:

As a young man became an Army officer, fought in the Boer War, was captured, escaped, evade recapture and return to allied territory. Volunteered to serve in the Sudan, when his request was turned down resigned his commission and went instead as a war correspondent for the Morning Post. Rejoined the military and fought in the trenches in WW! rising to the rank Of Lt col commanding a battalion. Took part in the last full cavalry charge of the British Army. Considered holding political office a matter of service to country and therefore a duty, not a path to enrichment of self.

Trump:

Draught dodger who used 5 deferments (4 educational, 1 for 'bone spurs' on one of his feet, he was not sure which one or maybe it was both) to avoid service in Vietnam. Has turned the US Presidency into a promotional and marketing vehicle for The Trump Organisation.

Yep the similarities are so obvious I cant understand how I failed to see them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Iran has many allies.Even Boris today said Britain has no intention of walking away from the deal.Trump has found himself alone again on the world stage.Apart from Israel of course.

We will see a Iran and Saudi Arabia become nuclear powers within a decade.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Except that America is the world stage. The rest of the world hardly matters. Airbus, Boeing and Siemens have already said that they will respect the sanctions. America has more influence than everywhere else put together.

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Except that America is the world stage. The rest of the world hardly matters. Airbus, Boeing and Siemens have already said that they will respect the sanctions. America has more influence than everywhere else put together."

With this move, America is in danger of becoming North Korea. And only having any influence if it threatens to nuke someone.

Oh wait...now I see.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Why is it?

It is a sensible decision. Do you really think Iran were not secretly breaching the agreement?

Do you really think that Iran are not the cause of much instability in the Middle East?

Back in the days of the long running Iran-Iraq war, the US, UK, etc used to back Saddam Hussein in Iraq as it was less insane than Iran.

And Trump has not rushed into this. He has been renewing the Iran agreement every month since he took over as he was required to do, until now.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

The alt-right are hilarious.

Deal to stop North Korea making nuclear weapons: Great

Deal to stop Iran making nuclear weapons: Terrible

The UK is vital on the world stage and the EU is holding us back but also the US is the only country that matters.

The EU wont want to lose their 2nd biggest customer: The UK. But also the UK wont mind losing its biggest customer the EU.

The fact that the UK is 8% of the EUs sales and the EU is 48% of the UK sales doesnt matter because thats just percentages and theyre irrelevant.

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Why is it?

It is a sensible decision. Do you really think Iran were not secretly breaching the agreement?

Do you really think that Iran are not the cause of much instability in the Middle East?

Wheres your evidance that they was?

Iran isnt the cause of instability in the middle east i think you may find we the west contributed mostly to that fine mess and then there is saudi and isreal too.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

What has Brexit got to do with Iran-US?

This thread is about the Iran_US arrangement, not a platform for your remoaner rants.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With this move, America is in danger of becoming North Korea. And only having any influence if it threatens to nuke someone.

Oh wait...now I see. "

America has been in terminal decline since the 70s.Empires in decline throw all their money into their military to hang in there.The British upped it's warship tonnage year on year when it saw the writing on the wall to no avail.The USA as been doing the same.

China is ascendant and will surpass the US economically and mitiararily in a few years.The Chinese being a major Iranian oil importer will ignore trumps sanctions completely.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It is a sensible decision. Do you really think Iran were not secretly breaching the agreement?

The agreement is verified by the International Atomic Energy Agency, a division of the UN, which carries out inspections.

The IAEA has stated on a number of occasions that Iran is compliant with the terms of the deal.

This isn't about the nuclear deal per se.

That is working.

This is about Israel and the USA cooking up different ways to give Iran a bloody nose for the rest of its activities.

The nuclear deal gets in the way of that, so Trump decides the US will relinquish its involvement.

However, the US was just one of the signatures - the P5 members of the security council, plus EU and Iran.

Every other signatory wants to keep the agreement in place.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

And we trust weapons inspectors? Hans Blix anyone.

This is about nuclear weapons in the hands of lunatics and lunatic regimes in the Middle East supporting terrorist groups and trying to destabilise an unstable region further.

And the other 5 signatories are almost all irrelevant, as insignificant Macron found out. Waste of a trip to the USA for him.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"The alt-right are hilarious.

Deal to stop North Korea making nuclear weapons: Great

Deal to stop Iran making nuclear weapons: Terrible

Trump has a deep personal loathing of Obama.

The man child thinks everything Obama did must be bad and destroyed.

Of course, everything Donald does is the greatest.

That is the mindset of the President of the United States.

It's deeply personal.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"And we trust weapons inspectors? Hans Blix anyone.

This is about nuclear weapons in the hands of lunatics and lunatic regimes in the Middle East supporting terrorist groups and trying to destabilise an unstable region further.

And the other 5 signatories are almost all irrelevant, as insignificant Macron found out. Waste of a trip to the USA for him. "

The IAEA were proven correct in Iraq - there was no WMD programme.

Yes, it's about nuclear weapons.

And yes, it has halted Iran's work towards one.

The US now jeopardises that.

The US in the breach of the agreement.

Therefore, does Iran walk away and resume enrichment etc, in the belief that the only way to deter US aggression is with an atomic weapon?

Or does it play the game with the other signatories and leave the US isolated on the world stage?

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

It is a sensible decision. Do you really think Iran were not secretly breaching the agreement?

The agreement is verified by the International Atomic Energy Agency, a division of the UN, which carries out inspections.

The IAEA has stated on a number of occasions that Iran is compliant with the terms of the deal.

This isn't about the nuclear deal per se.

That is working.

This is about Israel and the USA cooking up different ways to give Iran a bloody nose for the rest of its activities.

The nuclear deal gets in the way of that, so Trump decides the US will relinquish its involvement.

However, the US was just one of the signatures - the P5 members of the security council, plus EU and Iran.

Every other signatory wants to keep the agreement in place.

This.

It's just Trump undoing everything Obama did because he hates him, he's was a black guy and it will make his Klan supporters happy.

It's doubtful he's even read the agreement or even a briefing on it, given his reported attention span. He was going to do it regardless of evidence, and Israel was quite happy to provide some bullshit evidence to support it.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Why is it?

It is a sensible decision. Do you really think Iran were not secretly breaching the agreement?

actually, no one has said iran were not complying with that deal...

pompeo in his senate confirmation hearing 2 weeks ago said they were complying,

defence sec mattis said they were complying,

former sec tillerson and former nsa chief

mcmaster said they were complying,

the UN and the IAEA said they were complying,

heck! even isreali generals were telling Bibi they were complying!!!!!!

the only people who said they were not complying was Bibi.....

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Will the North Korean's be as willing to sign an agreement with the USA now? Is the USA trustworthy enough now?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Why does it fall into Putin's hands? Trump is just doing what he promised in his manifesto, unlike virtually every other politician.

He said "From now on it will be America first".

And that is what he is doing. Putting America first."

No? Nothing to do with Putin? No benefit for Russia?

Trump said that the intel from Israel (presented with great spectical by Netanyahu) helped him come to the decision to pull out of the deal.

Guess who is the special guest of honour at Russia's May Day military parade today?.... Mr Netanyahu!

I'm sure the 2 are totally unconnected

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And we trust weapons inspectors? Hans Blix anyone.

This is about nuclear weapons in the hands of lunatics and lunatic regimes in the Middle East supporting terrorist groups and trying to destabilise an unstable region further.

And the other 5 signatories are almost all irrelevant, as insignificant Macron found out. Waste of a trip to the USA for him. "

Are you in love with Trump?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And we trust weapons inspectors? Hans Blix anyone.

This is about nuclear weapons in the hands of lunatics and lunatic regimes in the Middle East supporting terrorist groups and trying to destabilise an unstable region further.

And the other 5 signatories are almost all irrelevant, as insignificant Macron found out. Waste of a trip to the USA for him. "

Nuclear weapons in the hands of unstable regimes in the Middle East? If you think that's the real issue then why are we happy to stand by and watch Israel murder Gazan peaceful protesters whilst their state possesses nuclear weapons? It's clearly geopolitical control of the region that is the issue. If nuclear non-proliferation was the real issue, where's the tough stance on Israel, on India, on Pakistan, on the double standard of us, Russia and the USA, who together have probably begun more wars than the rest of the world combined over the past few decades, continuing to stockpile thousands of nuclear warheads?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Here is a theoretical political scenario. We (the West) need to choose who we support both economically and militarily. All three states are theocracies.

There are 3 regional powers.

The first is a dictatorship. It has one of the worst human rights records in the world where females citizens are the property of the senior family male, if there is not one the state gives guardianship of the females to a male member of the ruling family. Foreign female workers are designated as whores regardless of their profession. There are public judicial beatings and executions. Execution is by one of a number of methods, beheading, stoning to death, burning or being cast from a high place to smash on rocks below. In this state it is illegal to practice anything other than the state religion and being in possession of any religious text or symbol other than those of the state religion is punishable by death. All must attend religious services on the sabbath (all held at the same time throughout the country) and there is a religious police who hand out summary justice in the form of viscous beating to any found out during those periods (that are daily not just on the sabbath).

The second has removed citizenship from a significant part of its population, making them stateless. Those it holds in a prison enclave where its military use them as target practice as and when they please with full state support. Its recognised first class citizens (that follow the state sponsored religion) disposes those of its population that follow the state suppressed religion and have not been made stateless of their land with the support of the state and state military at will.

The third is a very religiously conservative nation with its own theocratic element to its government just like the other 2. But unlike the other two it has a stable democracy. All citizens regardless of sex or religion can partake in. The state gives freedom of opportunity to all regardless of religion or sex.

Two of the three states have vast raw material reserves. One state in a single resource vital to the world economy, the second in both that resource and others. One state has little or no such reserves. The two states with mineral reserves both exploit those reserves through sovereign enterprises. Both nations used nationalisation to take control of their raw materials from Western business corporations that were exploiting their countries and exporting all the wealth with the minimum inward into those countries. One of these countries openly supports international terrorists who have attacked and still attack any who do not subscribe to their fundamentalist religious beliefs and have a stated aim of either converting the world to their religion. Any they can neither convert or enslave they will kill, any of their own who are killed along the way are considered martyrs. So none (regardless of belief) are safe from their particular brand of religious fervour.

We need to choose which, if any of these countries we should support. Who should we pick? And why? Who have we picked? And why?

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By *urve BallWoman
over a year ago

North London

"What has Brexit got to do with Iran-US?

This thread is about the Iran_US arrangement, not a platform for your remoaner rants.

Are you serious?! Unless we want to maintain the "special relationship" and get the amazing trade deal with the US, we have to continue acting like their lapdog and jump when they say "jump". It takes virtually nothing for Trump to turn on you, let alone if you "defy" his direction.

Trump thinks he rules the whole planet, hence why his tentacles are everywhere. Ultimately though, his only concern is the US benefit from *all* situations and he doesn't give a toss who or what he steps on to or destroys in the process (plus it's a great way to deflect from what's happening domestically in the US).

This is the guy we want to maintain a close/special relationship with and the brexiteers still harbouring illusions that he will give us a good deal, despite his "America first" motto. Helloooo?! Yet they slam the EU for wanting to protect their member states' interests. Double standards by any chance?

This Trump-Iran issue (to make you happy and "stay on topic") is yet another example/reminder that it's the EU we need to be staying close with and not that raving lunatic, who is a dog's hair away from turning on us too (and that dog is us).

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

The lunatics are the EU and not the USA. That's why we left!

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By *urve BallWoman
over a year ago

North London

"The lunatics are the EU and not the USA. That's why we left!"

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. I bet you believe in unicorns too.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Funny how I am in the majority and that is why we are leaving!

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"The lunatics are the EU and not the USA. That's why we left!"

No, we left because a bunch of apathetic idiots were told that the EU was to blame for just about everything wrong with their lives by media barons for whom the result was financially rewarding.

If you believe you won for any other reason then you are one of aforesaid people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Funny how I am in the majority and that is why we are leaving!"
Yes we are leaving because of people like yourself.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Seeing as people want to go off topic about Brexit and the EU, then I'll talk about North Korea. Great result for Donald Trump and his administration bringing home 3 prisoners from North Korea yesterday. Donald Trump was there at the airport to welcome them home. Something Obama was never able to achieve in his dealings with North Korea.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Seeing as people want to go off topic about Brexit and the EU, then I'll talk about North Korea. Great result for Donald Trump and his administration bringing home 3 prisoners from North Korea yesterday. Donald Trump was there at the airport to welcome them home. Something Obama was never able to achieve in his dealings with North Korea.

1) Obama’s actually did get prisoners released . he got 4 released from Iran

2) 2 of the 3 prisoners were actually detained under trump’s presidency

And......

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

As if they hadn't suffered enough, having to meet that shit filled space hopper straight off the plane. Fuck sake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shit filled space hopper...

That's an image that wil linger..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes. End of thread."

such negative people you seem to forget that WE win 99.98% of the time

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