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"As we all know Mrs. M is a Brexit goat and when it’s over who is going to become the next PM? As Sajid Javid is HS now, will be step up and replace Mrs. M? Place your bets " He** | |||
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"As we all know Mrs. M is a Brexit goat and when it’s over who is going to become the next PM? As Sajid Javid is HS now, will be step up and replace Mrs. M? Place your bets He**" I think the odds would be very short , hes a great politician and would make a fine pm | |||
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"We need someone new x" No we don't! Changing personnel for the implementation of policy when there is a backlash against that policy is nothing more than a sap to the gullible and way to enable the policy to continue. It does not matter who holds what office if the policies remain the same, what we need is a change in policy, and that is not going to happen. Everyone just wait a little and watch and listen to what is said and done. I pretty much guarantee that in short order we will be hearing the same xenophobic rhetoric reemerging and seeing a renewed clampdown by the Home Office on people. Of course now that the Tories have found an person of Asian extraction to be their Uncle Tom there can no longer be any accusations of the policy being driven by racism. Yea, right! What we need is not a change of minister or even government if the same toxic policies of the past 40 years are going to continue. We need a change of policy and political direction! Vote the bastards out on Thursday! | |||
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" (...) Of course now that the Tories have found an person of Asian extraction to be their Uncle Tom there can no longer be any accusations of the policy being driven by racism. (...) " Which is exactly why he was chosen in reality. How patronising for the poor guy who thinks he got the job because they believe in his abilities. As if it'll be him making the final decisions when it comes to policy. It'll be the same old, white faces it's always been but it'll be more difficult for the public to complain/criticise because it'll be announced by him ultimately. They could have put Brokenshire in that post directly rather than playing musical chairs but it just goes to show, once again, how manipulative they are. | |||
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"We need someone new x No we don't! Changing personnel for the implementation of policy when there is a backlash against that policy is nothing more than a sap to the gullible and way to enable the policy to continue. It does not matter who holds what office if the policies remain the same, what we need is a change in policy, and that is not going to happen. Everyone just wait a little and watch and listen to what is said and done. I pretty much guarantee that in short order we will be hearing the same xenophobic rhetoric reemerging and seeing a renewed clampdown by the Home Office on people. Of course now that the Tories have found an person of Asian extraction to be their Uncle Tom there can no longer be any accusations of the policy being driven by racism. Yea, right! What we need is not a change of minister or even government if the same toxic policies of the past 40 years are going to continue. We need a change of policy and political direction! Vote the bastards out on Thursday! " And vote for the racist anti semitic Labour party? No thanks! | |||
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"And vote for the racist anti semitic Labour party? No thanks!" You are delusional Centy. I did not say vote Labour, I said vote the Tories and any who will continue the same policies out. Your reply is essentially, no, I will vote Tory. That is for the party that has just been proven to have aggressively implemented a policy targeting people for removal from the country on the colour of their skin, which is the ultimate definition of racism, in order to keep out a party that those self same Tories and their nondom tax dodging newspaper owner supporters claim is lead by a communist spy, terrorist supporting, antisemitic, threat to national security and the economy. And you Centy because of your closed 'little englander' mind have been so well conditioned you have swallowed it all. I actually feel sad for you, you are unfortunately like many battered children, constantly attempting to please and gain approval from your abuser. Regardless of what the Tories do to you or your family, friends and community, not only will you support them but you will defend them against anyone who points out what they are doing to you and you will do anything to silence anyone you hear not supporting the Tories 100%. I would like to wish you well, but I can't because of the damage your blind loyalty to the dogma of the extreme right is causing to so many others. I think it would be best if we just ignore each other from this point on. | |||
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"And vote for the racist anti semitic Labour party? No thanks! You are delusional Centy. I did not say vote Labour, I said vote the Tories and any who will continue the same policies out. Your reply is essentially, no, I will vote Tory. That is for the party that has just been proven to have aggressively implemented a policy targeting people for removal from the country on the colour of their skin, which is the ultimate definition of racism, in order to keep out a party that those self same Tories and their nondom tax dodging newspaper owner supporters claim is lead by a communist spy, terrorist supporting, antisemitic, threat to national security and the economy. And you Centy because of your closed 'little englander' mind have been so well conditioned you have swallowed it all. I actually feel sad for you, you are unfortunately like many battered children, constantly attempting to please and gain approval from your abuser. Regardless of what the Tories do to you or your family, friends and community, not only will you support them but you will defend them against anyone who points out what they are doing to you and you will do anything to silence anyone you hear not supporting the Tories 100%. I would like to wish you well, but I can't because of the damage your blind loyalty to the dogma of the extreme right is causing to so many others. I think it would be best if we just ignore each other from this point on." More condescending claptrap! Why is everything you disagree with racist or xenophobic? You even think road tolls for HGVs are xenophobic! Just as I thought it couldn't get any worse, you now compare voting Tory to being abused as a child! Are you serious? | |||
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"And vote for the racist anti semitic Labour party? No thanks! You are delusional Centy. I did not say vote Labour, I said vote the Tories and any who will continue the same policies out. Your reply is essentially, no, I will vote Tory. That is for the party that has just been proven to have aggressively implemented a policy targeting people for removal from the country on the colour of their skin, which is the ultimate definition of racism, in order to keep out a party that those self same Tories and their nondom tax dodging newspaper owner supporters claim is lead by a communist spy, terrorist supporting, antisemitic, threat to national security and the economy. And you Centy because of your closed 'little englander' mind have been so well conditioned you have swallowed it all. I actually feel sad for you, you are unfortunately like many battered children, constantly attempting to please and gain approval from your abuser. Regardless of what the Tories do to you or your family, friends and community, not only will you support them but you will defend them against anyone who points out what they are doing to you and you will do anything to silence anyone you hear not supporting the Tories 100%. I would like to wish you well, but I can't because of the damage your blind loyalty to the dogma of the extreme right is causing to so many others. I think it would be best if we just ignore each other from this point on." You are the one who is delusional here Will. Your post essentially said, 'don't vote Tory, vote Labour on Thursday instead'. Also I did NOT say I will be voting Tory on Thursday! You seem to keep forgetting I'm a ukipper, not a Tory! I said I wouldn't be voting Labour as the anti semitic racism that has been exposed within the Labour party of late is nothing short of revolting. Of course though you and your ilk have been so conditioned and brainwashed by the cult of Momentum, that for you Saint Corbyn and his commie cohorts McDonnel and Abbott, etc, can do no wrong in your eyes. I think the tories are going soft on Brexit so I will actually be voting ukip on Thursday, (as I have done for the last 20 years). The only time I've lent the tories my vote was the general election last year so for you to say I'm constantly looking to please my tory overlords is frankly laughable. Ukip have come closer to destroying the tories than you or your Labour buddies could ever hope to achieve so do at least try to take your head out of the clouds on that score. | |||
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" (...) Of course now that the Tories have found an person of Asian extraction to be their Uncle Tom there can no longer be any accusations of the policy being driven by racism. (...) Which is exactly why he was chosen in reality. How patronising for the poor guy who thinks he got the job because they believe in his abilities. As if it'll be him making the final decisions when it comes to policy. It'll be the same old, white faces it's always been but it'll be more difficult for the public to complain/criticise because it'll be announced by him ultimately. They could have put Brokenshire in that post directly rather than playing musical chairs but it just goes to show, once again, how manipulative they are." So torries have just made him a Token Boy  | |||
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"! Why is everything you disagree with racist or xenophobic? You even think road tolls for HGVs are xenophobic! Just as I thought it couldn't get any worse, you now compare voting Tory to being abused as a child! Are you serious? " I am comparing those from ordinary backgrounds that vote for and defend Tory policies and values and refuse to acknowledge who and what they are voting for as having developed the same psychology attachment as children do to abusers and hostages do with their captors. In the latter case it is called Stockholm syndrome. Of course that you think I am spouting 'More condescending claptrap' shows that you have no understanding of what I am talking about and may also be a victim of this mentally debilitating condition. As for your comment about what I said about HGV's again you fail to understand what I said. Because my response was to an idea that FOREIGN HGV's should be made to pay to use the UK roads, not that ALL HGV's should be made to pay to use UK roads. Like it or not when a policy suggestion is aimed and non citizens only then it IS XENOPHOBIC! In fact it is the definition of xenophobia, and regardless of your disapproval where I see racism, xenophobia or any other kind of bigotry be it on grounds of religion, disability, social status, employment status or anything else I will call it out. Finally, shame on you for defending the indefensible and being so blind to what is in front of you that even when it is spelled out in its most stark form you fail to grasp what is being said. | |||
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" (...) Your post essentially said, 'don't vote Tory, vote Labour on Thursday instead'. Also I did NOT say I will be voting Tory on Thursday! You seem to keep forgetting I'm a ukipper, not a Tory! (...) " Oh dear! Ukipper?! "Nooooow the biting makes sense!" (from the m&ms tv ad) 
Btw, I don't think will was saying specifically vote Labour, as it very much depends where you live. Had my borough not been neck and neck (currently tory held) I'd have voted Greens or possibly (much less possibly) Lib Dems because both big parties are disgusting these days with one gone all the way left and the other all the way right (as for ukip they're just wandering around repeating "dude! Where's my car?"  ). I'll be voting Labour literally to kick the Tories out (and not because will said so ) Been trying to get rid of them of years! Last time they won by 300 votes. This time, their days are numbered (in fact *day* not days ) | |||
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"We need someone new x No we don't! Changing personnel for the implementation of policy when there is a backlash against that policy is nothing more than a sap to the gullible and way to enable the policy to continue. It does not matter who holds what office if the policies remain the same, what we need is a change in policy, and that is not going to happen. Everyone just wait a little and watch and listen to what is said and done. I pretty much guarantee that in short order we will be hearing the same xenophobic rhetoric reemerging and seeing a renewed clampdown by the Home Office on people. Of course now that the Tories have found an person of Asian extraction to be their Uncle Tom there can no longer be any accusations of the policy being driven by racism. Yea, right! What we need is not a change of minister or even government if the same toxic policies of the past 40 years are going to continue. We need a change of policy and political direction! Vote the bastards out on Thursday! " Well said i agree with you 100 per cent, we need a big change of political direction, we have been on the road to nowhere since 1979. | |||
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"We need someone new x No we don't! Changing personnel for the implementation of policy when there is a backlash against that policy is nothing more than a sap to the gullible and way to enable the policy to continue. It does not matter who holds what office if the policies remain the same, what we need is a change in policy, and that is not going to happen. Everyone just wait a little and watch and listen to what is said and done. I pretty much guarantee that in short order we will be hearing the same xenophobic rhetoric reemerging and seeing a renewed clampdown by the Home Office on people. Of course now that the Tories have found an person of Asian extraction to be their Uncle Tom there can no longer be any accusations of the policy being driven by racism. Yea, right! What we need is not a change of minister or even government if the same toxic policies of the past 40 years are going to continue. We need a change of policy and political direction! Vote the bastards out on Thursday! " Shame on you, who’s being racist now. Calling Sajid Javid an Uncle Tom ? I’m assuming you don’t know the man but you’re happy to come on here and label him that. You’re entitled to your opinion, we all are so here’s mine - you sit behind a keyboard telling us how wrong we all are, only your opinion matters, you may be right but everybody’s different. We live in a country which allows us to express our opinions, we’ll never all agree but that’s democracy. | |||
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"Shame on you, who’s being racist now. Calling Sajid Javid an Uncle Tom ? I’m assuming you don’t know the man but you’re happy to come on here and label him that. You’re entitled to your opinion, we all are so here’s mine - you sit behind a keyboard telling us how wrong we all are, only your opinion matters, you may be right but everybody’s different. We live in a country which allows us to express our opinions, we’ll never all agree but that’s democracy. " Shame on me, I don't think so. I am open about my political affiliations, as am I about my military history and the fact that I am in total disagreement with my party leader on military issues. I am a hawk, but I recognise that hawks need to controlled by strong political leaders who use them as a last resort rather than the first and best option whenever they find themselves in political hot water! Now my use of language may be rasping or even cutting and that may be uncomfortable for some, well what a shame, suck it up! The fact is you and others continually attack me for what I say and then the rest of our far right contingent climb on-board to back up whichever one of you first attacks me for what I have said. But I notice that for the most part, just like now you are not denying my message. Guess that is at least one thing you have all learned in the past 40 years, if you cant defend your political position from attack then ignore the issue and attack the people who oppose you. Your whole brand of politics like the politicians you support are beneath contempt. | |||
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"! Why is everything you disagree with racist or xenophobic? You even think road tolls for HGVs are xenophobic! Just as I thought it couldn't get any worse, you now compare voting Tory to being abused as a child! Are you serious? I am comparing those from ordinary backgrounds that vote for and defend Tory policies and values and refuse to acknowledge who and what they are voting for as having developed the same psychology attachment as children do to abusers and hostages do with their captors. In the latter case it is called Stockholm syndrome. Of course that you think I am spouting 'More condescending claptrap' shows that you have no understanding of what I am talking about and may also be a victim of this mentally debilitating condition. As for your comment about what I said about HGV's again you fail to understand what I said. Because my response was to an idea that FOREIGN HGV's should be made to pay to use the UK roads, not that ALL HGV's should be made to pay to use UK roads. Like it or not when a policy suggestion is aimed and non citizens only then it IS XENOPHOBIC! In fact it is the definition of xenophobia, and regardless of your disapproval where I see racism, xenophobia or any other kind of bigotry be it on grounds of religion, disability, social status, employment status or anything else I will call it out. Finally, shame on you for defending the indefensible and being so blind to what is in front of you that even when it is spelled out in its most stark form you fail to grasp what is being said." I know what Stockholm Syndrome is. But I would never use it as a comparison to how a person votes. Suggesting it only afflicts Tory voters and that I'm suffering from it just makes you look ridiculous. As for your comment 'I am comparing those from ordinary backgrounds'? What do you mean by 'ordinary'? Are you 'ordinary' or 'extraordinary'? I understood exactly what you said about HGV tolls. But since when has introducing a charge for building and maintaining infrastructure had anything to do with discriminating against a person's religion, disability, social status or employment status? You said you will 'call it out'. But you failed to do exactly that when I informed you about the German Maut and Austrian vignette. You failed to do exactly that with the EU's proposed charge for visitors coming into the Schengen area. Why just the Schengen area? What about the Republic of Ireland and other non-Schengen members in the EU? If you are going to claim to be a champion against racism, xenophobia or any other kind of bigotry at least be consistent. | |||
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"We need someone new x No we don't! Changing personnel for the implementation of policy when there is a backlash against that policy is nothing more than a sap to the gullible and way to enable the policy to continue. It does not matter who holds what office if the policies remain the same, what we need is a change in policy, and that is not going to happen. Everyone just wait a little and watch and listen to what is said and done. I pretty much guarantee that in short order we will be hearing the same xenophobic rhetoric reemerging and seeing a renewed clampdown by the Home Office on people. Of course now that the Tories have found an person of Asian extraction to be their Uncle Tom there can no longer be any accusations of the policy being driven by racism. Yea, right! What we need is not a change of minister or even government if the same toxic policies of the past 40 years are going to continue. We need a change of policy and political direction! Vote the bastards out on Thursday! Well said i agree with you 100 per cent, we need a big change of political direction, we have been on the road to nowhere since 1979." Be careful what you wish for! There was the opportunity of a big change of political direction 21 years ago today when Labour won the election. I think I'm right in saying even _illwill69u voted for it! Maybe, just maybe, that is what is preventing people from voting for that change. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. | |||
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"Guys firstly thursday are local elections and will not change a thing when it comes to these policies. Second be careful what you wish for, i live ina suburb which straddles the border of city council and county council, one labour held one tory held, we are so pleased we are in the tory area our parents live in the labour area pay more council tax and get far less services, they have to pay for brown bin emptying , have no recycling bin, there streets are in a terrible state (pot holes) " Do you ever wonder if the tory council gets a little extra from the tory government - eg, like what nearly happened at sussex? Im always looking for ways in which councils can efficiently outsource less essential services to encourage private sector competition, but with the tories this ofyen comes with esential services being privatised and puts locals (in my area) out of pocket | |||
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"We need someone new x No we don't! Changing personnel for the implementation of policy when there is a backlash against that policy is nothing more than a sap to the gullible and way to enable the policy to continue. It does not matter who holds what office if the policies remain the same, what we need is a change in policy, and that is not going to happen. Everyone just wait a little and watch and listen to what is said and done. I pretty much guarantee that in short order we will be hearing the same xenophobic rhetoric reemerging and seeing a renewed clampdown by the Home Office on people. Of course now that the Tories have found an person of Asian extraction to be their Uncle Tom there can no longer be any accusations of the policy being driven by racism. Yea, right! What we need is not a change of minister or even government if the same toxic policies of the past 40 years are going to continue. We need a change of policy and political direction! Vote the bastards out on Thursday! Well said i agree with you 100 per cent, we need a big change of political direction, we have been on the road to nowhere since 1979. Be careful what you wish for! There was the opportunity of a big change of political direction 21 years ago today when Labour won the election. I think I'm right in saying even _illwill69u voted for it! Maybe, just maybe, that is what is preventing people from voting for that change. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't." Except we got more of the same. I see your point, but "the same " Tories have been allowed to get progressively worse and now look at where we are..... | |||
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"We need someone new x No we don't! Changing personnel for the implementation of policy when there is a backlash against that policy is nothing more than a sap to the gullible and way to enable the policy to continue. It does not matter who holds what office if the policies remain the same, what we need is a change in policy, and that is not going to happen. Everyone just wait a little and watch and listen to what is said and done. I pretty much guarantee that in short order we will be hearing the same xenophobic rhetoric reemerging and seeing a renewed clampdown by the Home Office on people. Of course now that the Tories have found an person of Asian extraction to be their Uncle Tom there can no longer be any accusations of the policy being driven by racism. Yea, right! What we need is not a change of minister or even government if the same toxic policies of the past 40 years are going to continue. We need a change of policy and political direction! Vote the bastards out on Thursday! Well said i agree with you 100 per cent, we need a big change of political direction, we have been on the road to nowhere since 1979. Be careful what you wish for! There was the opportunity of a big change of political direction 21 years ago today when Labour won the election. I think I'm right in saying even _illwill69u voted for it! Maybe, just maybe, that is what is preventing people from voting for that change. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Except we got more of the same. I see your point, but "the same " Tories have been allowed to get progressively worse and now look at where we are....." Are we doomed to get more of the same at every election? You can have any government you want as long as it's in the pocket of multinational corporations. A bit like our high streets...you can have any shops you want as long as there is a Greggs, Costa, Tesco Express, Starbucks and the obligatory 10 charity shops. | |||
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"Shame on you, who’s being racist now. Calling Sajid Javid an Uncle Tom ? I’m assuming you don’t know the man but you’re happy to come on here and label him that. You’re entitled to your opinion, we all are so here’s mine - you sit behind a keyboard telling us how wrong we all are, only your opinion matters, you may be right but everybody’s different. We live in a country which allows us to express our opinions, we’ll never all agree but that’s democracy. Shame on me, I don't think so. I am open about my political affiliations, as am I about my military history and the fact that I am in total disagreement with my party leader on military issues. I am a hawk, but I recognise that hawks need to controlled by strong political leaders who use them as a last resort rather than the first and best option whenever they find themselves in political hot water! Now my use of language may be rasping or even cutting and that may be uncomfortable for some, well what a shame, suck it up! The fact is you and others continually attack me for what I say and then the rest of our far right contingent climb on-board to back up whichever one of you first attacks me for what I have said. But I notice that for the most part, just like now you are not denying my message. Guess that is at least one thing you have all learned in the past 40 years, if you cant defend your political position from attack then ignore the issue and attack the people who oppose you. Your whole brand of politics like the politicians you support are beneath contempt. " I admire you for being open about your political affiliations, that’s what you believe. I’m happy to be open about mine, I’ve voted Conservative cause that’s what’s good for me, I also voted remain,I’m selfish and look after myself, I won’t try and push my beliefs on others.We all look for different things from our elected representavies, we’ll never all agree. | |||
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"I admire you for being open about your political affiliations, that’s what you believe. I’m happy to be open about mine, I’ve voted Conservative cause that’s what’s good for me, I also voted remain,I’m selfish and look after myself, I won’t try and push my beliefs on others.We all look for different things from our elected representavies, we’ll never all agree. " I fully understand what your saying and why. Further I have no problem with people voting for self-interest, in fact I would say it should be the driving factor for everyone when voting. My issue with you and many millions like you is simple. If as you claim you cast your vote based on self interest, why do you vote conservative? Because unless you are a multimillionaire or multinational commercial enterprise then clearly voting tory for the last 40 years is voting for the party that when in government deliberately and with malice of forethought harms you and makes you relatively poorer to benefit and enrich those at the very top. I continually point out that today's labour party and its policies are firmly right of centre and based in traditional 'One Britain conservatism', that they are most certainly more right wing than those of the Heath, Douglas-Hume and Macmillan Conservative governments and even further to the right that Churchill's economic policies. But I am either told told I am wrong and when I start giving examples then ignored or plain ignored. My question to you is simple, how have the tories helped you? (And please don't say you have more stuff therefore..., because over time in a production based world economy everyone ends up with more stuff!) | |||
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"I admire you for being open about your political affiliations, that’s what you believe. I’m happy to be open about mine, I’ve voted Conservative cause that’s what’s good for me, I also voted remain,I’m selfish and look after myself, I won’t try and push my beliefs on others.We all look for different things from our elected representavies, we’ll never all agree. I fully understand what your saying and why. Further I have no problem with people voting for self-interest, in fact I would say it should be the driving factor for everyone when voting. My issue with you and many millions like you is simple. If as you claim you cast your vote based on self interest, why do you vote conservative? Because unless you are a multimillionaire or multinational commercial enterprise then clearly voting tory for the last 40 years is voting for the party that when in government deliberately and with malice of forethought harms you and makes you relatively poorer to benefit and enrich those at the very top. I continually point out that today's labour party and its policies are firmly right of centre and based in traditional 'One Britain conservatism', that they are most certainly more right wing than those of the Heath, Douglas-Hume and Macmillan Conservative governments and even further to the right that Churchill's economic policies. But I am either told told I am wrong and when I start giving examples then ignored or plain ignored. My question to you is simple, how have the tories helped you? (And please don't say you have more stuff therefore..., because over time in a production based world economy everyone ends up with more stuff!)" You say you have no problem with people voting for self-interest yet you seem to question whether I know what’s good for me. Im not a multimillionaire or multinational commercial enterprise, I do however run my own business, before the last general election Labour said they would raise corporation tax and also raise income tax for anyone earning above £80,000 a year, how would that benefit me? Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas. As I’ve said I’ve got no problem with anyone voting the way they do, but I don’t like people telling me how I should cast my vote. I know what’s good for me, I don’t need someone who knows nothing about my circumstances telling me otherwise?? | |||
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"I admire you for being open about your political affiliations, that’s what you believe. I’m happy to be open about mine, I’ve voted Conservative cause that’s what’s good for me, I also voted remain,I’m selfish and look after myself, I won’t try and push my beliefs on others.We all look for different things from our elected representavies, we’ll never all agree. I fully understand what your saying and why. Further I have no problem with people voting for self-interest, in fact I would say it should be the driving factor for everyone when voting. My issue with you and many millions like you is simple. If as you claim you cast your vote based on self interest, why do you vote conservative? Because unless you are a multimillionaire or multinational commercial enterprise then clearly voting tory for the last 40 years is voting for the party that when in government deliberately and with malice of forethought harms you and makes you relatively poorer to benefit and enrich those at the very top. I continually point out that today's labour party and its policies are firmly right of centre and based in traditional 'One Britain conservatism', that they are most certainly more right wing than those of the Heath, Douglas-Hume and Macmillan Conservative governments and even further to the right that Churchill's economic policies. But I am either told told I am wrong and when I start giving examples then ignored or plain ignored. My question to you is simple, how have the tories helped you? (And please don't say you have more stuff therefore..., because over time in a production based world economy everyone ends up with more stuff!) You say you have no problem with people voting for self-interest yet you seem to question whether I know what’s good for me. Im not a multimillionaire or multinational commercial enterprise, I do however run my own business, before the last general election Labour said they would raise corporation tax and also raise income tax for anyone earning above £80,000 a year, how would that benefit me? Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas. As I’ve said I’ve got no problem with anyone voting the way they do, but I don’t like people telling me how I should cast my vote. I know what’s good for me, I don’t need someone who knows nothing about my circumstances telling me otherwise?? "  | |||
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"Well said above. us bizz people need to stick to our guns and vote for whats best for us ..tories.... Ps all people have choices..i just vote for whats best for me and my family ....could not give a shit about about other issues ...vote for whats best for you xx" This is true! So why the fuck do brexiters always say we are all in it together.Its quite obvious from what you just said we are not all in it together and you would fuck over my family without blinking to preserve you and yours.Thanks for the honesty.Its a rare commodity today. | |||
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"Well said above. us bizz people need to stick to our guns and vote for whats best for us ..tories.... Ps all people have choices..i just vote for whats best for me and my family ....could not give a shit about about other issues ...vote for whats best for you xx" In other words "i'm alright jack", is what you are saying. Is it any wonder things are so bad both here and abroad when there are people with your outlook on life. | |||
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"Well said above. us bizz people need to stick to our guns and vote for whats best for us ..tories.... Ps all people have choices..i just vote for whats best for me and my family ....could not give a shit about about other issues ...vote for whats best for you xx In other words "i'm alright jack", is what you are saying. Is it any wonder things are so bad both here and abroad when there are people with your outlook on life. " That's because Tories don't believe in any sort social responsibility they want a dog eat dog world.The true face of the tories is right there for all to see. They didn't label themselves the nasty party without good reason. | |||
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"Well said above. us bizz people need to stick to our guns and vote for whats best for us ..tories.... Ps all people have choices..i just vote for whats best for me and my family ....could not give a shit about about other issues ...vote for whats best for you xx In other words "i'm alright jack", is what you are saying. Is it any wonder things are so bad both here and abroad when there are people with your outlook on life. That's because Tories don't believe in any sort social responsibility they want a dog eat dog world.The true face of the tories is right there for all to see. They didn't label themselves the nasty party without good reason." You've just agreed with someone who said vote for what's best for you, then you say the Conservatives don't believe in any sort social responsibility and they want a dog eat dog world! You're no better than the Tories! | |||
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"Well said above. us bizz people need to stick to our guns and vote for whats best for us ..tories.... Ps all people have choices..i just vote for whats best for me and my family ....could not give a shit about about other issues ...vote for whats best for you xx In other words "i'm alright jack", is what you are saying. Is it any wonder things are so bad both here and abroad when there are people with your outlook on life. That's because Tories don't believe in any sort social responsibility they want a dog eat dog world.The true face of the tories is right there for all to see. They didn't label themselves the nasty party without good reason. You've just agreed with someone who said vote for what's best for you, then you say the Conservatives don't believe in any sort social responsibility and they want a dog eat dog world! You're no better than the Tories!" Best you report me to a moderator. | |||
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"I'm alright Jack...yes may be if people took more care for themselves and worked harder took risks etc....we may have a less namby pamby way of life. looking to claim for this or that or always blaming someone else ....stand on your own two feet may help ....people expect too much without putting in....simple x" I agree. Except when it is at the expense of others. | |||
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"Selfishness: being concerned excessively or exclusively, for oneself or one's own advantage, pleasure, or welfare, regardless of others. Not the most enduring human trait but it seems quite a few on this thread are exactly that." I don’t mind being selfish, it works for me. | |||
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"Well said above. us bizz people need to stick to our guns and vote for whats best for us ..tories.... Ps all people have choices..i just vote for whats best for me and my family ....could not give a shit about about other issues ...vote for whats best for you xx In other words "i'm alright jack", is what you are saying. Is it any wonder things are so bad both here and abroad when there are people with your outlook on life. " Highly condescending shite. People can vote for who and whatever reason they wish and don't need high & fucking mighty shite like that. Fucks sake, our ancestors fought for freedom's that you obviously don't think people vwith different views to you should enjoy. Btw, I also vote what's best for me & my family, no regard to anything else. | |||
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While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day. | |||
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"(...) After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day. "You need to remove your Brexit-tinted glasses. Your Mr Hollier than thou definitely has ambitions to be PM. For that, he needs support. There's something called "alliances". He aligned himself with the strongest *members* of the cabinet moving forward (or the most vocal, take your pick) regardless of brexit (and stuck it to TM in the process for thinking about sacking him before the snap election and only keeping him on because it was a disaster. Old grudges die hard). If they were remainers, he'd have gone with remain. All he did was, patting the Brexiteers back so that they'll have his back too when he steps on others to get to the top. He is nothing more than an opportunist when it comes to this issue. Let's hope that's gonna be the only one, especially if he makes it as PM because personal ambition and running a country is not a good combination. | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day. "Still prefer Pritti Pattel ?? | |||
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"I find it strange how narrow people's understanding of self interest and how spectacularly shallow so manys thinking is... I suppose if you are young healthy your OK (except your looking at leaving uni with anything between 10 and 60 grand of debt, and of course the poorer your background the more your debt will be). So not really that OK. So moving on whats it like for young families (not receiving state aid), well you can afford the mortgage repayment on a property like the one live in and in the same area (and more!). How do I know this? Well it really is simple your paying your landlord's mortgage (and his bit on the top) on the property you living in. Of course because of this you can't save fast enough to keep up with deposit requirement. Then when you need maternity care you get to play a postcode lottery for pre and postnatal care. Then there are the problems with schools and again you really need to be wealthy to be able to move into the catchment areas of the better schools. Then there are the problems with teachers flooding out of the profession and the lamentable state of the school supplies and consumables. So again the poorer you are the poorer quality of the school your children will attend and the less you will be able to help buy the things that the school budget cant cover, so the poorer you are the less chance you have of getting a decent education which of course means your children are unlikely to attend uni and will enter the workforce already a failure. Of course at this point it turns out that the person running their own business suddenly finds they have to spend money educating their new employee at great expense or more than likely they will look for a more educated foreigner to fill the post turn down the contract that would have seen them buy that news machine that would to grow their business at the same speed as their international competitors. Instead they get to crow about how they vote Tory out of self interest when it is patently obvious I one looks beyond the surface that the only people to benefit from this tory race to the bottom are those right on the top! But 'hey ho' what do I know. "So you think people who don't go to uni are a 'failure'? That attitude is elitist and is hugely insulting to the working classes, many of who have left school and done apprenticeships, learning their skill, or trade on the job. There was a young guy on bbc Question Time on Thursday night who was an electrician, had never been to uni, but already had his foot on the property ladder and earned a decent wage as an electrician and wasn't saddled with student debt. Going to uni is not the be all and end all and many of these mickey mouse uni courses are not much good to anyone anyway after they graduate. Stories in the press about uni graduates working in McDonald's. For too long there has been far too much emphasis on going to uni in this country, apprenticeships are the way forward for school leavers and the sooner the country makes this switch en masse the better. | |||
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"Well said above. us bizz people need to stick to our guns and vote for whats best for us ..tories.... Ps all people have choices..i just vote for whats best for me and my family ....could not give a shit about about other issues ...vote for whats best for you xx In other words "i'm alright jack", is what you are saying. Is it any wonder things are so bad both here and abroad when there are people with your outlook on life. Highly condescending shite. People can vote for who and whatever reason they wish and don't need high & fucking mighty shite like that. Fucks sake, our ancestors fought for freedom's that you obviously don't think people vwith different views to you should enjoy. Btw, I also vote what's best for me & my family, no regard to anything else." That proves that you only care about yourself and shows that you are, unfortunately, a selfish right winger with very little understanding of politics and humanities. Its fortunate that you are not the prime minister of this country because if you were we would be back in victorian times. | |||
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"I find it strange how narrow people's understanding of self interest and how spectacularly shallow so manys thinking is... I suppose if you are young healthy your OK (except your looking at leaving uni with anything between 10 and 60 grand of debt, and of course the poorer your background the more your debt will be). So not really that OK. So moving on whats it like for young families (not receiving state aid), well you can afford the mortgage repayment on a property like the one live in and in the same area (and more!). How do I know this? Well it really is simple your paying your landlord's mortgage (and his bit on the top) on the property you living in. Of course because of this you can't save fast enough to keep up with deposit requirement. Then when you need maternity care you get to play a postcode lottery for pre and postnatal care. Then there are the problems with schools and again you really need to be wealthy to be able to move into the catchment areas of the better schools. Then there are the problems with teachers flooding out of the profession and the lamentable state of the school supplies and consumables. So again the poorer you are the poorer quality of the school your children will attend and the less you will be able to help buy the things that the school budget cant cover, so the poorer you are the less chance you have of getting a decent education which of course means your children are unlikely to attend uni and will enter the workforce already a failure. Of course at this point it turns out that the person running their own business suddenly finds they have to spend money educating their new employee at great expense or more than likely they will look for a more educated foreigner to fill the post turn down the contract that would have seen them buy that news machine that would to grow their business at the same speed as their international competitors. Instead they get to crow about how they vote Tory out of self interest when it is patently obvious I one looks beyond the surface that the only people to benefit from this tory race to the bottom are those right on the top! But 'hey ho' what do I know.
So you think people who don't go to uni are a 'failure'?
That attitude is elitist and is hugely insulting to the working classes, many of who have left school and done apprenticeships, learning their skill, or trade on the job. There was a young guy on bbc Question Time on Thursday night who was an electrician, had never been to uni, but already had his foot on the property ladder and earned a decent wage as an electrician and wasn't saddled with student debt. Going to uni is not the be all and end all and many of these mickey mouse uni courses are not much good to anyone anyway after they graduate. Stories in the press about uni graduates working in McDonald's. For too long there has been far too much emphasis on going to uni in this country, apprenticeships are the way forward for school leavers and the sooner the country makes this switch en masse the better. "It seems that you have missed an important fact (again). Some people have no choice - it's not elitist - it's just that they have chosen a career which requires them to go to university - doctor for example. | |||
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"So you think people who don't go to uni are a 'failure'? That attitude is elitist and is hugely insulting to the working classes, many of who have left school and done apprenticeships, learning their skill, or trade on the job. There was a young guy on bbc Question Time on Thursday night who was an electrician, had never been to uni, but already had his foot on the property ladder and earned a decent wage as an electrician and wasn't saddled with student debt. Going to uni is not the be all and end all and many of these mickey mouse uni courses are not much good to anyone anyway after they graduate. Stories in the press about uni graduates working in McDonald's. For too long there has been far too much emphasis on going to uni in this country, apprenticeships are the way forward for school leavers and the sooner the country makes this switch en masse the better. " Your view of the world seems somewhat divorced from reality... I will give you 2 simple examples of how wrong you are... When I was 15 I could have left school (last year before the minimum leaving age was increased to 16). At that time it was possible to get a craft apprenticeship with no academic qualifications, now the minimum requirement is 5 GCSE's at grade C or above. When I was 16 to become a student SEN (State Enrolled Nurse) was 5 CSE's including Maths and English at Gr 2 or above, the requirement now is a degree to become an SEN, and rather than getting free accommodation in a nurses home and being paid while training as was the case. now the students have to work 30 hours a week for free in the NHS while paying their £9000 a year tuition + take out student loans to cover living for the 4 years it takes them to qualify! I could keep going but i am sure in your usual way you will look to twist facts to fit your warped right wing political world. I used to like living in a high tax, high spending country. The taxes were for the most part were progressive and based on income so you had to earn it to pay the taxes on it and everyone had a reasonable crack at the whip. Now we live in a country where there is a constant move towards being a lower tax, lower spending country with more and more of the tax burden being moved from income to spending. That only benefits one group in society the high earning RICH! If you want elitism there it is! A system where the poorest pay the greatest proportion of their income in tax, so that the wealthy can accumulate even more wealth! | |||
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"So you think people who don't go to uni are a 'failure'? That attitude is elitist and is hugely insulting to the working classes, many of who have left school and done apprenticeships, learning their skill, or trade on the job. There was a young guy on bbc Question Time on Thursday night who was an electrician, had never been to uni, but already had his foot on the property ladder and earned a decent wage as an electrician and wasn't saddled with student debt. Going to uni is not the be all and end all and many of these mickey mouse uni courses are not much good to anyone anyway after they graduate. Stories in the press about uni graduates working in McDonald's. For too long there has been far too much emphasis on going to uni in this country, apprenticeships are the way forward for school leavers and the sooner the country makes this switch en masse the better. Your view of the world seems somewhat divorced from reality... I will give you 2 simple examples of how wrong you are... When I was 15 I could have left school (last year before the minimum leaving age was increased to 16). At that time it was possible to get a craft apprenticeship with no academic qualifications, now the minimum requirement is 5 GCSE's at grade C or above. When I was 16 to become a student SEN (State Enrolled Nurse) was 5 CSE's including Maths and English at Gr 2 or above, the requirement now is a degree to become an SEN, and rather than getting free accommodation in a nurses home and being paid while training as was the case. now the students have to work 30 hours a week for free in the NHS while paying their £9000 a year tuition + take out student loans to cover living for the 4 years it takes them to qualify! I could keep going but i am sure in your usual way you will look to twist facts to fit your warped right wing political world. I used to like living in a high tax, high spending country. The taxes were for the most part were progressive and based on income so you had to earn it to pay the taxes on it and everyone had a reasonable crack at the whip. Now we live in a country where there is a constant move towards being a lower tax, lower spending country with more and more of the tax burden being moved from income to spending. That only benefits one group in society the high earning RICH! If you want elitism there it is! A system where the poorest pay the greatest proportion of their income in tax, so that the wealthy can accumulate even more wealth! " I don't understand your reasoning. How is giving an example of a person who didn't go to uni but learnt a trade, saved up for a deposit and bought a house being divorced from reality? Far from being that, this is what actually happens in real life! | |||
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"I don't understand your reasoning. How is giving an example of a person who didn't go to uni but learnt a trade, saved up for a deposit and bought a house being divorced from reality? Far from being that, this is what actually happens in real life! " Because what you could do 40 years ago can't be done now! I would reset the political clock to the mid 70's when there was opportunity for all paid for by a tax system based on progressive income and corporation tax that all had to pay. The alternative was to leave the country and pay tax on all money transferred out of the UK and all sales in the UK. Now we have a system where the richer you are the less tax you have to pay and the less likely you are to be prosecuted for your malfeasance, and that is patently wrong! | |||
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"I don't understand your reasoning. How is giving an example of a person who didn't go to uni but learnt a trade, saved up for a deposit and bought a house being divorced from reality? Far from being that, this is what actually happens in real life! Because what you could do 40 years ago can't be done now! I would reset the political clock to the mid 70's when there was opportunity for all paid for by a tax system based on progressive income and corporation tax that all had to pay. The alternative was to leave the country and pay tax on all money transferred out of the UK and all sales in the UK. Now we have a system where the richer you are the less tax you have to pay and the less likely you are to be prosecuted for your malfeasance, and that is patently wrong! " As always, you introduce the tax system into the conversation. The point Centaur was making was that people can still get a job, save up and buy a house without having to go to university. How is that divorced from reality? | |||
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"I don't understand your reasoning. How is giving an example of a person who didn't go to uni but learnt a trade, saved up for a deposit and bought a house being divorced from reality? Far from being that, this is what actually happens in real life! Because what you could do 40 years ago can't be done now! I would reset the political clock to the mid 70's when there was opportunity for all paid for by a tax system based on progressive income and corporation tax that all had to pay. The alternative was to leave the country and pay tax on all money transferred out of the UK and all sales in the UK. Now we have a system where the richer you are the less tax you have to pay and the less likely you are to be prosecuted for your malfeasance, and that is patently wrong! As always, you introduce the tax system into the conversation. The point Centaur was making was that people can still get a job, save up and buy a house without having to go to university. How is that divorced from reality?" Actually he implied that uni was for the elites. He did say there were some Mickey Mouse degrees but those are in the minority and the people doing them are paying for them! There are an awful lot of careers which require a degree to persue them! | |||
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"As always, you introduce the tax system into the conversation." Absolutely I do. The fact is that before any government can decide its spending priorities it first has to decide how it will raise finance and that requires a taxation policy. If that policy is to reduce the tax burden on the wealthy then there are 3 options. 1 More taxes have to be raised from the 'lower orders'. 2 Funding for government provided services has to be cut. 3 Do both 1 and 2 above. It really is just that simple and until we all wake up to the fact trickle down is the largest and longest lasting financial swindle since the fall of Rome things will continue to get worse. | |||
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"As always, you introduce the tax system into the conversation. Absolutely I do. The fact is that before any government can decide its spending priorities it first has to decide how it will raise finance and that requires a taxation policy. If that policy is to reduce the tax burden on the wealthy then there are 3 options. 1 More taxes have to be raised from the 'lower orders'. 2 Funding for government provided services has to be cut. 3 Do both 1 and 2 above. It really is just that simple and until we all wake up to the fact trickle down is the largest and longest lasting financial swindle since the fall of Rome things will continue to get worse." And, as per usual, you've conveniently forgotten to answer the question... | |||
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"And, as per usual, you've conveniently forgotten to answer the question..." I'll let Which answer for me... https://www.which.co.uk/news/2017/10/first-time-buyers-over-40-years-millennials-have-to-work-twice-as-hard-to-buy-a-home/ The important graph is the one that shows the growth of average income and house prices, notice how the gap is widening. When we live in a country where qualified doctors are struggling to get on the housing ladder in the capital, home ownership as a % of the population in general is falling and the age at which first time buyers are entering the market it is plain to see to all but the wilfully blind that an assertion that everything is honky dory is patently wrong. | |||
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"As always, you introduce the tax system into the conversation. Absolutely I do. The fact is that before any government can decide its spending priorities it first has to decide how it will raise finance and that requires a taxation policy. If that policy is to reduce the tax burden on the wealthy then there are 3 options. 1 More taxes have to be raised from the 'lower orders'. 2 Funding for government provided services has to be cut. 3 Do both 1 and 2 above. It really is just that simple and until we all wake up to the fact trickle down is the largest and longest lasting financial swindle since the fall of Rome things will continue to get worse." How much tax do you pay at the moment? How much more would you be prepared to pay? How much do you think everybody should be left with after tax? Should people all be left with the same? | |||
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"As always, you introduce the tax system into the conversation. Absolutely I do. The fact is that before any government can decide its spending priorities it first has to decide how it will raise finance and that requires a taxation policy. If that policy is to reduce the tax burden on the wealthy then there are 3 options. 1 More taxes have to be raised from the 'lower orders'. 2 Funding for government provided services has to be cut. 3 Do both 1 and 2 above. It really is just that simple and until we all wake up to the fact trickle down is the largest and longest lasting financial swindle since the fall of Rome things will continue to get worse. How much tax do you pay at the moment? How much more would you be prepared to pay? How much do you think everybody should be left with after tax? Should people all be left with the same?" Would that be absolute or a a % of my income? | |||
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"someone like trump entrapaneur businessman and strong , what he says goes if he was dealing with our brexit we wouldnt have weakened and agreed to all the clauses and expense hes not just a guy that went to private school to become a member of parliament hes a streetwise kinda guy whos worn the t shirt" A fair-minded guy  leaving behind him a trail of disaster... for others.
As the New York Times put it upon his casinos, he 'shifted personal debts to the casinos and collected millions of dollars in salary, bonuses and other payments' 'The burden of his failures, fell on investors and others who had bet on his business acumen'. CNN covers here how a multitude of businesses were each individually not paid $hundreds of thousands - https://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/trump-small-business-owners/index.html
Your thinking that a strong UK leader could just dictate the Brexit terms to 27 other countries is the fantasy-land dreaming and mis-direction that the pro-Brexit liars peddled before the referendum. There are plenty of shysters in the UK government and the addition of Trump would likely have meant that the UK's position declined, rather than improved.
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"As always, you introduce the tax system into the conversation. Absolutely I do. The fact is that before any government can decide its spending priorities it first has to decide how it will raise finance and that requires a taxation policy. If that policy is to reduce the tax burden on the wealthy then there are 3 options. 1 More taxes have to be raised from the 'lower orders'. 2 Funding for government provided services has to be cut. 3 Do both 1 and 2 above. It really is just that simple and until we all wake up to the fact trickle down is the largest and longest lasting financial swindle since the fall of Rome things will continue to get worse. How much tax do you pay at the moment? How much more would you be prepared to pay? How much do you think everybody should be left with after tax? Should people all be left with the same? Would that be absolute or a a % of my income? " Hard to answer when it affects what's left in your pocket and not other people's, is it? | |||
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"So you think people who don't go to uni are a 'failure'? That attitude is elitist and is hugely insulting to the working classes, many of who have left school and done apprenticeships, learning their skill, or trade on the job. There was a young guy on bbc Question Time on Thursday night who was an electrician, had never been to uni, but already had his foot on the property ladder and earned a decent wage as an electrician and wasn't saddled with student debt. Going to uni is not the be all and end all and many of these mickey mouse uni courses are not much good to anyone anyway after they graduate. Stories in the press about uni graduates working in McDonald's. For too long there has been far too much emphasis on going to uni in this country, apprenticeships are the way forward for school leavers and the sooner the country makes this switch en masse the better. Your view of the world seems somewhat divorced from reality... I will give you 2 simple examples of how wrong you are... When I was 15 I could have left school (last year before the minimum leaving age was increased to 16). At that time it was possible to get a craft apprenticeship with no academic qualifications, now the minimum requirement is 5 GCSE's at grade C or above. When I was 16 to become a student SEN (State Enrolled Nurse) was 5 CSE's including Maths and English at Gr 2 or above, the requirement now is a degree to become an SEN, and rather than getting free accommodation in a nurses home and being paid while training as was the case. now the students have to work 30 hours a week for free in the NHS while paying their £9000 a year tuition + take out student loans to cover living for the 4 years it takes them to qualify! I could keep going but i am sure in your usual way you will look to twist facts to fit your warped right wing political world. I used to like living in a high tax, high spending country. The taxes were for the most part were progressive and based on income so you had to earn it to pay the taxes on it and everyone had a reasonable crack at the whip. Now we live in a country where there is a constant move towards being a lower tax, lower spending country with more and more of the tax burden being moved from income to spending. That only benefits one group in society the high earning RICH! If you want elitism there it is! A system where the poorest pay the greatest proportion of their income in tax, so that the wealthy can accumulate even more wealth! " You're a Labour man aren't you Will? Seems Labour MP Chukka Ummuna doesn't agree with your thinking. He said last night on BBC Question Time "There is too much snobbery in this country about going to university, what we need in this country is more technical, vocational skills and more apprenticeships". If you think anyone who doesn't go to uni is a failure then you are guilty of snobbery, which Chukka Ummuna rightly called out last night. | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day. "From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead! | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead! "It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then! | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then! "No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for! | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for! "But that's not what Davis agreed to. He said that NI will stay in if they can't find agreement. | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for! "The country was surprisingly indifferent to that manifesto, and by default that particular pledge. As they failed to win a majority, lost a fuck load of seats and had to spend some of that magic bus money to buy some support and form a government. So you could say it was actually rejected. As if it wasn't for the aforementioned bus money then who knows? | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for!
The country was surprisingly indifferent to that manifesto, and by default that particular pledge. As they failed to win a majority, lost a fuck load of seats and had to spend some of that magic bus money to buy some support and form a government.
So you could say it was actually rejected. As if it wasn't for the aforementioned bus money then who knows? "Lolololol, it was also in the Labour party manifesto.
A whopping 84% of the vote went to parties who had Brexit manifestos at the general election. Parties with Remain manifestos could only manage a pathetic 15% of the overall vote. | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for!
The country was surprisingly indifferent to that manifesto, and by default that particular pledge. As they failed to win a majority, lost a fuck load of seats and had to spend some of that magic bus money to buy some support and form a government.
So you could say it was actually rejected. As if it wasn't for the aforementioned bus money then who knows?
Lolololol, it was also in the Labour party manifesto.
A whopping 84% of the vote went to parties who had Brexit manifestos at the general election. Parties with Remain manifestos could only manage a pathetic 15% of the overall vote. "Love it when gammon think they've won, they get all vitriolic
When what you're saying is that at that general election, everyone reverted to type and voted for who they usually voted for anyway. Manifesto content notwithstanding?
The only differences being kippers going back to the mother ship and destroying the party. And more young people voting labour thanks to clever marketing.
It wasn't an endorsement of anyone's manifesto, it was the usual two party bullshit. | |||
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"sajid javid .... the hypocritical rightwing bellend, who on the same day where he was posing for journalists with a sniffer dog telling eveybody he is tough on drugs, the third stash of class A's in six months was found in his offices, yet he has prevented the police from investigating .... that sajid javid"
Not to mention his whole "not gonna be calling it hostile environment anymore" act. Based on his record, the Home Office will get from bad to worse. | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for!
The country was surprisingly indifferent to that manifesto, and by default that particular pledge. As they failed to win a majority, lost a fuck load of seats and had to spend some of that magic bus money to buy some support and form a government.
So you could say it was actually rejected. As if it wasn't for the aforementioned bus money then who knows?
Lolololol, it was also in the Labour party manifesto.
A whopping 84% of the vote went to parties who had Brexit manifestos at the general election. Parties with Remain manifestos could only manage a pathetic 15% of the overall vote.
Love it when gammon think they've won, they get all vitriolic
When what you're saying is that at that general election, everyone reverted to type and voted for who they usually voted for anyway. Manifesto content notwithstanding?
The only differences being kippers going back to the mother ship and destroying the party. And more young people voting labour thanks to clever marketing.
It wasn't an endorsement of anyone's manifesto, it was the usual two party bullshit. "There's two people here who voted for a party we'd never voted for before. Dare say there's plenty more who voted on a particular manifesto. | |||
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"sajid javid .... the hypocritical rightwing bellend, who on the same day where he was posing for journalists with a sniffer dog telling eveybody he is tough on drugs, the third stash of class A's in six months was found in his offices, yet he has prevented the police from investigating .... that sajid javid
Not to mention his whole "not gonna be calling it hostile environment anymore" act. Based on his record, the Home Office will get from bad to worse."Yes, that one - he'll rebrand the policy of forcing punitive racist extremism, as long as it's even more hostile but isn't called that. | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for!
The country was surprisingly indifferent to that manifesto, and by default that particular pledge. As they failed to win a majority, lost a fuck load of seats and had to spend some of that magic bus money to buy some support and form a government.
So you could say it was actually rejected. As if it wasn't for the aforementioned bus money then who knows?
Lolololol, it was also in the Labour party manifesto.
A whopping 84% of the vote went to parties who had Brexit manifestos at the general election. Parties with Remain manifestos could only manage a pathetic 15% of the overall vote.
Love it when gammon think they've won, they get all vitriolic
When what you're saying is that at that general election, everyone reverted to type and voted for who they usually voted for anyway. Manifesto content notwithstanding?
The only differences being kippers going back to the mother ship and destroying the party. And more young people voting labour thanks to clever marketing.
It wasn't an endorsement of anyone's manifesto, it was the usual two party bullshit.
There's two people here who voted for a party we'd never voted for before. Dare say there's plenty more who voted on a particular manifesto."Was it one of the two main ones or a minority one? | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for!
The country was surprisingly indifferent to that manifesto, and by default that particular pledge. As they failed to win a majority, lost a fuck load of seats and had to spend some of that magic bus money to buy some support and form a government.
So you could say it was actually rejected. As if it wasn't for the aforementioned bus money then who knows?
Lolololol, it was also in the Labour party manifesto.
A whopping 84% of the vote went to parties who had Brexit manifestos at the general election. Parties with Remain manifestos could only manage a pathetic 15% of the overall vote.
Love it when gammon think they've won, they get all vitriolic
When what you're saying is that at that general election, everyone reverted to type and voted for who they usually voted for anyway. Manifesto content notwithstanding?
The only differences being kippers going back to the mother ship and destroying the party. And more young people voting labour thanks to clever marketing.
It wasn't an endorsement of anyone's manifesto, it was the usual two party bullshit.
There's two people here who voted for a party we'd never voted for before. Dare say there's plenty more who voted on a particular manifesto.
Was it one of the two main ones or a minority one? "Well I've been voting ukip for around the last 20 years. I voted Conservative at the last general election for 1 reason and that is their position on Brexit, as stated in the Conservative party manifesto to Leave the single market and the customs union. | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for!
The country was surprisingly indifferent to that manifesto, and by default that particular pledge. As they failed to win a majority, lost a fuck load of seats and had to spend some of that magic bus money to buy some support and form a government.
So you could say it was actually rejected. As if it wasn't for the aforementioned bus money then who knows?
Lolololol, it was also in the Labour party manifesto.
A whopping 84% of the vote went to parties who had Brexit manifestos at the general election. Parties with Remain manifestos could only manage a pathetic 15% of the overall vote.
Love it when gammon think they've won, they get all vitriolic
When what you're saying is that at that general election, everyone reverted to type and voted for who they usually voted for anyway. Manifesto content notwithstanding?
The only differences being kippers going back to the mother ship and destroying the party. And more young people voting labour thanks to clever marketing.
It wasn't an endorsement of anyone's manifesto, it was the usual two party bullshit.
There's two people here who voted for a party we'd never voted for before. Dare say there's plenty more who voted on a particular manifesto.
Was it one of the two main ones or a minority one?
Well I've been voting ukip for around the last 20 years. I voted Conservative at the last general election for 1 reason and that is their position on Brexit, as stated in the Conservative party manifesto to Leave the single market and the customs union. "How many conservatives stood for seats in NI behind that manifesto? | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for!
The country was surprisingly indifferent to that manifesto, and by default that particular pledge. As they failed to win a majority, lost a fuck load of seats and had to spend some of that magic bus money to buy some support and form a government.
So you could say it was actually rejected. As if it wasn't for the aforementioned bus money then who knows?
Lolololol, it was also in the Labour party manifesto.
A whopping 84% of the vote went to parties who had Brexit manifestos at the general election. Parties with Remain manifestos could only manage a pathetic 15% of the overall vote.
Love it when gammon think they've won, they get all vitriolic
When what you're saying is that at that general election, everyone reverted to type and voted for who they usually voted for anyway. Manifesto content notwithstanding?
The only differences being kippers going back to the mother ship and destroying the party. And more young people voting labour thanks to clever marketing.
It wasn't an endorsement of anyone's manifesto, it was the usual two party bullshit.
There's two people here who voted for a party we'd never voted for before. Dare say there's plenty more who voted on a particular manifesto.
Was it one of the two main ones or a minority one?
Well I've been voting ukip for around the last 20 years. I voted Conservative at the last general election for 1 reason and that is their position on Brexit, as stated in the Conservative party manifesto to Leave the single market and the customs union.
How many conservatives stood for seats in NI behind that manifesto? "Not sure maybe you can tell us all though? I voted for a conservative MP in Cannock chase and got one as she won her seat here. People voted for the DUP in Northern Ireland at the general election and Brexit was in the DUP manifesto. The DUP also campaigned for Brexit during the referendum. As you know the DUP got 10 seats in Northern Ireland at the general election, the largest party voted in Northern Ireland at the general election was the DUP. | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for!
The country was surprisingly indifferent to that manifesto, and by default that particular pledge. As they failed to win a majority, lost a fuck load of seats and had to spend some of that magic bus money to buy some support and form a government.
So you could say it was actually rejected. As if it wasn't for the aforementioned bus money then who knows?
Lolololol, it was also in the Labour party manifesto.
A whopping 84% of the vote went to parties who had Brexit manifestos at the general election. Parties with Remain manifestos could only manage a pathetic 15% of the overall vote.
Love it when gammon think they've won, they get all vitriolic
When what you're saying is that at that general election, everyone reverted to type and voted for who they usually voted for anyway. Manifesto content notwithstanding?
The only differences being kippers going back to the mother ship and destroying the party. And more young people voting labour thanks to clever marketing.
It wasn't an endorsement of anyone's manifesto, it was the usual two party bullshit.
There's two people here who voted for a party we'd never voted for before. Dare say there's plenty more who voted on a particular manifesto.
Was it one of the two main ones or a minority one?
Well I've been voting ukip for around the last 20 years. I voted Conservative at the last general election for 1 reason and that is their position on Brexit, as stated in the Conservative party manifesto to Leave the single market and the customs union.
How many conservatives stood for seats in NI behind that manifesto?
Not sure maybe you can tell us all though? I voted for a conservative MP in Cannock chase and got one as she won her seat here. People voted for the DUP in Northern Ireland at the general election and Brexit was in the DUP manifesto. The DUP also campaigned for Brexit during the referendum. As you know the DUP got 10 seats in Northern Ireland at the general election, the largest party voted in Northern Ireland at the general election was the DUP. "Zero. | |||
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"I'm liking Sajid Javid more and more as time goes by. A self made man which is what Conservatism is really all about. Started from humble beginnings, to steal Sadiq Khan's line 'he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver'.
While his school friends were reading comics at the age of 14 Javid started reading the financial times. As soon as he was old enough opened his own bank account borrowed £500 and invested it in stocks and shares. Graduated from uni and got a multi million pound job as an investment banker. Then went on to become a Conservative MP.
Now this week his appointment as Home secretary couldn't have been timed better. After Amber Rudd got the boot he stepped into the job on Monday and on Wednesdays crucial Brexit cabinet meeting to decide the UK customs union position sided with the Brexiters in cabinet to reject May and Hammond's plan for a 'customs partnership'. The balance of power in cabinet has now shifted in favour of the Brexiters plan for a 'customs arrangement' thanks to the new Home secretary Sajid Javid. Well done that man and if he does well as Home secretary who knows he could well be Prime Minister one day.
From various reports it seems like Defence secretary Gavin Williamson has also now joined with Sajid Javid and the other Brexiters in cabinet. Theresa May's customs partnership plan is dead!
It sounds like you are happy that Northern Ireland will be staying in the customs union then!
No the whole of the UK is leaving the customs union. This is the majority view in cabinet now. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election. It was also part of the official vote leave campaign during the referendum to leave the single market and the customs union. This is what the country voted for!
The country was surprisingly indifferent to that manifesto, and by default that particular pledge. As they failed to win a majority, lost a fuck load of seats and had to spend some of that magic bus money to buy some support and form a government.
So you could say it was actually rejected. As if it wasn't for the aforementioned bus money then who knows?
Lolololol, it was also in the Labour party manifesto.
A whopping 84% of the vote went to parties who had Brexit manifestos at the general election. Parties with Remain manifestos could only manage a pathetic 15% of the overall vote.
Love it when gammon think they've won, they get all vitriolic
When what you're saying is that at that general election, everyone reverted to type and voted for who they usually voted for anyway. Manifesto content notwithstanding?
The only differences being kippers going back to the mother ship and destroying the party. And more young people voting labour thanks to clever marketing.
It wasn't an endorsement of anyone's manifesto, it was the usual two party bullshit.
There's two people here who voted for a party we'd never voted for before. Dare say there's plenty more who voted on a particular manifesto.
Was it one of the two main ones or a minority one?
Well I've been voting ukip for around the last 20 years. I voted Conservative at the last general election for 1 reason and that is their position on Brexit, as stated in the Conservative party manifesto to Leave the single market and the customs union. "So basically you're a 1 issue person, saw that UKIP had fulfilled it's brief and went to where you would have been voting had they not existed? How unlike gammon to not care about anyone or anything else. | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? " No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. " I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word " Are you one of those snowflakes? | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word " Well don't use it then snowflake. 
I suppose it is like the N word, if used as like the old Chris Rock sketch:
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word " It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. " It was coined in 2013 | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. It was coined in 2013 "And is now being resurrected by remainers to describe Brexiters. | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. " No darling, it just reflects the puffy demeanor your face takes on when you bash away with diatribes like that. On the Jeremy Vine show eh? Well that is gammon central, the daily mail on radio. | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. It was coined in 2013
And is now being resurrected by remainers to describe Brexiters. "So it's not an insult dreamt up by Remainers then is it? | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. No darling, it just reflects the puffy demeanor your face takes on when you bash away with diatribes like that. On the Jeremy Vine show eh? Well that is gammon central, the daily mail on radio. "The BBC is hardly Daily Mail Central. An independent assessment showed that the BBC actually has a remain bias in its reporting, with Remain guests and speakers being given a substantial percentage more airtime than Leave guests and speakers. Sorry to let those pesky things called facts get in the way of your racist rants though. | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. No darling, it just reflects the puffy demeanor your face takes on when you bash away with diatribes like that. On the Jeremy Vine show eh? Well that is gammon central, the daily mail on radio.
The BBC is hardly Daily Mail Central. An independent assessment showed that the BBC actually has a remain bias in its reporting, with Remain guests and speakers being given a substantial percentage more airtime than Leave guests and speakers. Sorry to let those pesky things called facts get in the way of your racist rants though. "The Daily Mail doesn't just cover Brexit though, but if that's all you buy it for then that's probably all you see. No Jeremy Vine's entire show is subjects, not just Brexit, which get gammon like yourself phoning in droves. It's basically the comments page at the bottom of Daily Mail stories online. | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. No darling, it just reflects the puffy demeanor your face takes on when you bash away with diatribes like that. On the Jeremy Vine show eh? Well that is gammon central, the daily mail on radio. "I knew what it meant It is meant as an insult to white skin colour , redness in face due to age and back ground usually working class It’s another insult not needed as far as I am concerned but your choice to use or not as you see fit | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. No darling, it just reflects the puffy demeanor your face takes on when you bash away with diatribes like that. On the Jeremy Vine show eh? Well that is gammon central, the daily mail on radio.
I knew what it meant
It is meant as an insult to white skin colour , redness in face due to age and back ground usually working class
It’s another insult not needed as far as I am concerned but your choice to use or not as you see fit
"Nah, in this context it's the permanently enraged and brexiters. Nothing to do with age or education. | |||
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. No darling, it just reflects the puffy demeanor your face takes on when you bash away with diatribes like that. On the Jeremy Vine show eh? Well that is gammon central, the daily mail on radio.
I knew what it meant
It is meant as an insult to white skin colour , redness in face due to age and back ground usually working class
It’s another insult not needed as far as I am concerned but your choice to use or not as you see fit
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"Gammon , is that an insult based on skin colour and age ? No I don't think it's got anything to do with age. I think usually it does It’s an insult to a persons skin colour look and maybe education and status I find it strange and uncomfortable to use such an insult , more than a little like using the N word It was discussed on the BBC radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today. It's an insult dreamt up by racist remainers on the basis of skin colour. If a word had been used in this way against a black or Asian person then it would be all over the headlines in the news by now. They think that because it's aimed at white people they can get away with it. The Brexit result has brought out the ugly racist side of Remainers and this is the latest expression of their racism. Racism is racism no matter what the colour of someone's skin is. No darling, it just reflects the puffy demeanor your face takes on when you bash away with diatribes like that. On the Jeremy Vine show eh? Well that is gammon central, the daily mail on radio.
I knew what it meant
It is meant as an insult to white skin colour , redness in face due to age and back ground usually working class
It’s another insult not needed as far as I am concerned but your choice to use or not as you see fit
You think working class people have red faces? "Of course, when they've been down t'mill all day | |||
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"Anyone Comparing the word gammon to a word connected with centuries of slavery needs to take his ideas outside and give them a good fucking kicking and have a word with himself/ herself. Just like people who counter black lives matter with all lives matter. Learn some fucking context people and know thy self. "I’ll have you know I have friends whose great great great great great grandparents were slaves | |||
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"Anyone Comparing the word gammon to a word connected with centuries of slavery needs to take his ideas outside and give them a good fucking kicking and have a word with himself/ herself. Just like people who counter black lives matter with all lives matter. Learn some fucking context people and know thy self.
I’ll have you know I have friends whose great great great great great grandparents were slaves "That old chestnut of i have black friends I couldn't possibly say something racist... Please..It's embarrassing | |||
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"Anyone Comparing the word gammon to a word connected with centuries of slavery needs to take his ideas outside and give them a good fucking kicking and have a word with himself/ herself. Just like people who counter black lives matter with all lives matter. Learn some fucking context people and know thy self.
I’ll have you know I have friends whose great great great great great grandparents were slaves
That old chestnut of i have black friends I couldn't possibly say something racist... Please..It's embarrassing "I used to have a black cat, so I can't be racist, right? | |||
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"Anyone Comparing the word gammon to a word connected with centuries of slavery needs to take his ideas outside and give them a good fucking kicking and have a word with himself/ herself. Just like people who counter black lives matter with all lives matter. Learn some fucking context people and know thy self.
I’ll have you know I have friends whose great great great great great grandparents were slaves
That old chestnut of i have black friends I couldn't possibly say something racist... Please..It's embarrassing
I used to have a black cat, so I can't be racist, right? "And some of my best friends are working class, sonic can't be working class racist. Well I say friends, I mean the people who groom the ornamental swans and polish my throne. | |||
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"Anyone Comparing the word gammon to a word connected with centuries of slavery needs to take his ideas outside and give them a good fucking kicking and have a word with himself/ herself. Just like people who counter black lives matter with all lives matter. Learn some fucking context people and know thy self.
I’ll have you know I have friends whose great great great great great grandparents were slaves
That old chestnut of i have black friends I couldn't possibly say something racist... Please..It's embarrassing
I used to have a black cat, so I can't be racist, right?
And some of my best friends are working class, sonic can't be working class racist.
Well I say friends, I mean the people who groom the ornamental swans and polish my throne. "Well I once had a scotch egg. | |||
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"Anyone Comparing the word gammon to a word connected with centuries of slavery needs to take his ideas outside and give them a good fucking kicking and have a word with himself/ herself. Just like people who counter black lives matter with all lives matter. Learn some fucking context people and know thy self.
I’ll have you know I have friends whose great great great great great grandparents were slaves
That old chestnut of i have black friends I couldn't possibly say something racist... Please..It's embarrassing "Is that a hook in your top lip | |||
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"Anyone Comparing the word gammon to a word connected with centuries of slavery needs to take his ideas outside and give them a good fucking kicking and have a word with himself/ herself. Just like people who counter black lives matter with all lives matter. Learn some fucking context people and know thy self.
I’ll have you know I have friends whose great great great great great grandparents were slaves
That old chestnut of i have black friends I couldn't possibly say something racist... Please..It's embarrassing
I used to have a black cat, so I can't be racist, right?
And some of my best friends are working class, sonic can't be working class racist.
Well I say friends, I mean the people who groom the ornamental swans and polish my throne.
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"A Javid / Patel partnership would be very hard for Labour to attack !" Um...have you read my last 2 posts?! If you have and you still say this.....wtf?! | |||
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"A Javid / Patel partnership would be very hard for Labour to attack ! Um...have you read my last 2 posts?! If you have and you still say this.....wtf?!" ž Not saying I support him , don't know enough about him , but one if the lefts things is that the story's are Racist , intolerant to other religions ect , so they would be a bit snookered on that . Ps I just Fancy Pritti | |||
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"A Javid / Patel partnership would be very hard for Labour to attack ! Um...have you read my last 2 posts?! If you have and you still say this.....wtf?! ž Not saying I support him , don't know enough about him , but one if the lefts things is that the story's are Racist , intolerant to other religions ect , so they would be a bit snookered on that . Ps I just Fancy Pritti "She shouldn't be allowed in government after her historical actions | |||
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She shouldn't be allowed in government after her historical actions "Still think she could be P M . | |||
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"A Javid / Patel partnership would be very hard for Labour to attack ! Um...have you read my last 2 posts?! If you have and you still say this.....wtf?! ž Not saying I support him , don't know enough about him , but one if the lefts things is that the story's are Racist , intolerant to other religions ect , so they would be a bit snookered on that . Ps I just Fancy Pritti "If anything, they'd have more to attack him with, hypocricy at the very least. His latest response to the Windrush scandal and his rejection to calls for inquiry into islamophobia (as per my two earlier posts detail) are only 2 of the examples of how a self-described "with a name as Sajid Javid, muslim, son of immigrants" in reality behaves more like an white, tory dinosaur than what *he* describes *himself* as. In my view, he uses his religion and background as a smokescreen. He is insanely ambitious and he knows that he won't get far if he doesn't get into bed with the Tory elite and their views. Which, again in my view, is an example of a dangerously ruthless person, -someone who will stop at nothing to advance his career- and that's all "fine" (for some) if it only damages muslims and immigrants but there will be a time when it will affect other groups of people too and *then* it'll be showtime! | |||
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"He's a politician he threw away his moral compass long ago. However his response to the windrush scandal is absolutely disgusting.Hes a first class cunt who i wouldn't piss on if he was on fire.No doubt our alt Reich fucktard window lickers in the forum see a few black British getting sent back as a positive thing . Purification of this island is their cuntish goal." Chill out...you're on holiday! You'll be turning a shade of red cured meat if you're not careful. Do you include everyone who voted Leave in the above statement? | |||
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