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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Who thinks the UK will be able to secure unanimous support for agreement of the tariff schedule once we leave the EU?

Here is what the Institute for Government say:

"Once the UK has a draft of its schedules, and once it has left the EU, it can start trading off them. The WTO does have a formal process for approving schedules – known as ‘certification’ – which requires unanimous approval from every WTO member, i.e. 164 countries."

And here is a link to an article from the Independent from an interview they had with the Institute of Exporters.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-wto-schedule-argentina-spain-brexit-latest-a7468766.html

This is what they said:

"The challenge is that the UK wants to replicate the agreement, the schedule, that we had as a member of the EU, with other countries. That’s fine and makes absolute sense. The only problem is that it could get blocked because we are looking for a consensus with more than 160 countries. It could cause us problems and that depends on how we manage the smaller countries, those with whom historically we may have had problems before. Argentina is one example where we may face an issue.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely asking for unanimous approval from 164 countries for ANYTHING is crazy. Countries have axes to grind with each other all the time. Just look at the voting in the Eurovision song contest. Best song never wins

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Surely asking for unanimous approval from 164 countries for ANYTHING is crazy. Countries have axes to grind with each other all the time. Just look at the voting in the Eurovision song contest. Best song never wins "

Yet them is the rules.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

As I remember 7 countries have already said they wont accept a straight split of the EUs and UKs schedules. Theyre already pushing for both the EU and UK to accept increases in case they might lose out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How long is all that going to take ???

Argentina will want islas malvinas

Back ,the Spanish will want Gibraltar ,

That's going to be worse than getting out of Europe ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funny how this is only now being discussed - probably because we are only 11 months away from exiting. We thought negotiations with 27 were hard - 164 is going to be a nightmare! I suppose this is where Fox can show his skills and get a deal. Time will tell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Funny how this is only now being discussed - probably because we are only 11 months away from exiting. We thought negotiations with 27 were hard - 164 is going to be a nightmare! I suppose this is where Fox can show his skills and get a deal. Time will tell."

The thing is, it's not being discussed. It's being ignored.

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

So it doesn't look like any brexiters are willing to come on and say that they think we will be able to secure unanimous support for our schedules!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So it doesn't look like any brexiters are willing to come on and say that they think we will be able to secure unanimous support for our schedules!"

I looked up this on 'What you need to know about the WTO' page on Institute of Export website...

'Certifying the new UK schedules

The UK will most likely want to draft its own schedules following its exit from the EU – even though replicated EU schedules will continue initially. Technically, a published draft of schedules needs to be ‘certified’ by the WTO, which requires unanimous approval from every WTO member – one member equals one vote. In reality, WTO members often trade off schedules that have not been certified – for instance, EU schedules have not been certified since 2004 but have been altered since then.

Other countries can object to the UK’s schedules – and may do so in the event of reduced market access to the UK – and these challenges could be expensive and time-consuming to contest. However, the UK would be able to continue trading off its schedules while these challenges were being issued.'

I don't think we'll be able to secure unanimous support.

But will we need to if WTO members trade off schedules that have not been certified?

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

So we might end up with no deal with the EU, no deal with the 3rd countries that we currently have trade agreements with through the EU, and no WTO agreement either.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"So it doesn't look like any brexiters are willing to come on and say that they think we will be able to secure unanimous support for our schedules!

I looked up this on 'What you need to know about the WTO' page on Institute of Export website...

'Certifying the new UK schedules

The UK will most likely want to draft its own schedules following its exit from the EU – even though replicated EU schedules will continue initially. Technically, a published draft of schedules needs to be ‘certified’ by the WTO, which requires unanimous approval from every WTO member – one member equals one vote. In reality, WTO members often trade off schedules that have not been certified – for instance, EU schedules have not been certified since 2004 but have been altered since then.

Other countries can object to the UK’s schedules – and may do so in the event of reduced market access to the UK – and these challenges could be expensive and time-consuming to contest. However, the UK would be able to continue trading off its schedules while these challenges were being issued.'

I don't think we'll be able to secure unanimous support.

But will we need to if WTO members trade off schedules that have not been certified?"

And now it looks like remainers are not willing to come on here and answer the question you asked. Hey Ho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The question is only really valid to people who voted to put us in this situation to start with centy, remain voters have nothing to answer to.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The government were really clear about this as well as the Brexit talks - it's a piece of piss, or words to that effect.

It's still uncertain that there will be a transition period atm too.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"So it doesn't look like any brexiters are willing to come on and say that they think we will be able to secure unanimous support for our schedules!

I looked up this on 'What you need to know about the WTO' page on Institute of Export website...

'Certifying the new UK schedules

The UK will most likely want to draft its own schedules following its exit from the EU – even though replicated EU schedules will continue initially. Technically, a published draft of schedules needs to be ‘certified’ by the WTO, which requires unanimous approval from every WTO member – one member equals one vote. In reality, WTO members often trade off schedules that have not been certified – for instance, EU schedules have not been certified since 2004 but have been altered since then.

Other countries can object to the UK’s schedules – and may do so in the event of reduced market access to the UK – and these challenges could be expensive and time-consuming to contest. However, the UK would be able to continue trading off its schedules while these challenges were being issued.'

I don't think we'll be able to secure unanimous support.

But will we need to if WTO members trade off schedules that have not been certified?

And now it looks like remainers are not willing to come on here and answer the question you asked. Hey Ho. "

You can only trade off schedules if the other countries accept that. The US, Australia, Canada, Argentina, Brazil and New Zealand have all voiced their objections to a simple split of responsibilities.

Its no coincidence that these are some of the countries the Torys keep touting as markets they want to negotiate with as a priority once they're allowed to make their own trade deals.

If these countries dont agree then it will be a massive issue despite other countries willing to let informal arrangements exist because nothing can be enforced on the countries that matter for trade.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So it doesn't look like any brexiters are willing to come on and say that they think we will be able to secure unanimous support for our schedules!

I looked up this on 'What you need to know about the WTO' page on Institute of Export website...

'Certifying the new UK schedules

The UK will most likely want to draft its own schedules following its exit from the EU – even though replicated EU schedules will continue initially. Technically, a published draft of schedules needs to be ‘certified’ by the WTO, which requires unanimous approval from every WTO member – one member equals one vote. In reality, WTO members often trade off schedules that have not been certified – for instance, EU schedules have not been certified since 2004 but have been altered since then.

Other countries can object to the UK’s schedules – and may do so in the event of reduced market access to the UK – and these challenges could be expensive and time-consuming to contest. However, the UK would be able to continue trading off its schedules while these challenges were being issued.'

I don't think we'll be able to secure unanimous support.

But will we need to if WTO members trade off schedules that have not been certified?

And now it looks like remainers are not willing to come on here and answer the question you asked. Hey Ho.

You can only trade off schedules if the other countries accept that. The US, Australia, Canada, Argentina, Brazil and New Zealand have all voiced their objections to a simple split of responsibilities.

Its no coincidence that these are some of the countries the Torys keep touting as markets they want to negotiate with as a priority once they're allowed to make their own trade deals.

If these countries dont agree then it will be a massive issue despite other countries willing to let informal arrangements exist because nothing can be enforced on the countries that matter for trade."

So the objectors are:

1. US - whom we have a special relationship - whom we follow blindly into conflicts.

2. We have 3 Commonwealth countries sticking the boot in.

3. Argentina who we have been arguing with for 200 yrs and been to war with.

4. Brazil - they have a lot of coffee.

Liam Fox certainly got his work cut out! Friends like them who needs enemies?

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

We haven't upset Russia lately have we?

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By *aggie and DanCouple
over a year ago

Swansea


"Who thinks the UK will be able to secure unanimous support for agreement of the tariff schedule once we leave the EU?

Here is what the Institute for Government say:

"Once the UK has a draft of its schedules, and once it has left the EU, it can start trading off them. The WTO does have a formal process for approving schedules – known as ‘certification’ – which requires unanimous approval from every WTO member, i.e. 164 countries."

And here is a link to an article from the Independent from an interview they had with the Institute of Exporters.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-wto-schedule-argentina-spain-brexit-latest-a7468766.html

This is what they said:

"The challenge is that the UK wants to replicate the agreement, the schedule, that we had as a member of the EU, with other countries. That’s fine and makes absolute sense. The only problem is that it could get blocked because we are looking for a consensus with more than 160 countries. It could cause us problems and that depends on how we manage the smaller countries, those with whom historically we may have had problems before. Argentina is one example where we may face an issue.”

The further you trade the more it costs-leaving the EU is a national exercise is self-harm. I know reality is boring...

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

How is the UK getting on with persuading 160-odd countries to sign up to a WTO schedule?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

All due to the eu rules that we cannot do any deals until we have left.Now why would that be i wonder? it couldn't be they made that rule so no one would possibly leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All due to the eu rules that we cannot do any deals until we have left.Now why would that be i wonder? it couldn't be they made that rule so no one would possibly leave. "

You knew the rules before you voted to leave?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Thats not the point im making.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thats not the point im making."

And that isn’t answering my question? Did you know that the EU would prevent any deals until we left before you voted leave . In my opinion it is only fair that they enforce this rule

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"All due to the eu rules that we cannot do any deals until we have left.Now why would that be i wonder? it couldn't be they made that rule so no one would possibly leave. "

Oh dear, another conspiracy theory.

The EU priority is the single market.

The single market requires countries to adhere to a set of a common rules and a set of common external tariffs.

It would be destroyed if countries that had signed up to the single market had different regulatory controls governing their imports from the rest of the world.

The clue is in the title - single market.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All due to the eu rules that we cannot do any deals until we have left.Now why would that be i wonder? it couldn't be they made that rule so no one would possibly leave.

Oh dear, another conspiracy theory.

The EU priority is the single market.

The single market requires countries to adhere to a set of a common rules and a set of common external tariffs.

It would be destroyed if countries that had signed up to the single market had different regulatory controls governing their imports from the rest of the world.

The clue is in the title - single market.

"

It stops Countries saying they are leaving the EU then striking new trade deals all around the world while taking years and years without actually leaving the EU which then destroys the Single Market if a member state has all these new backdoor trade deals while still being a member.

Not really difficult to understand I would have thought but there again, who would say they are leaving then spend years and years not leaving

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

You all keep banging on about no deal but its not a deal at all its a withdrawal agreement,all it does is keep the status quo for another 2 years and the uk tied to the eu.The uk was mugged off by teresa may agreeing to a withdrawal without a trade deal they should have both been agreed together.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"You all keep banging on about no deal but its not a deal at all its a withdrawal agreement,all it does is keep the status quo for another 2 years and the uk tied to the eu.The uk was mugged off by teresa may agreeing to a withdrawal without a trade deal they should have both been agreed together."

Why do you think the EU were keen for the 2 to be separated and the trade part discussed only after withdrawal agreement agreed

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"All due to the eu rules that we cannot do any deals until we have left.Now why would that be i wonder? it couldn't be they made that rule so no one would possibly leave.

Oh dear, another conspiracy theory.

The EU priority is the single market.

The single market requires countries to adhere to a set of a common rules and a set of common external tariffs.

It would be destroyed if countries that had signed up to the single market had different regulatory controls governing their imports from the rest of the world.

The clue is in the title - single market.

It stops Countries saying they are leaving the EU then striking new trade deals all around the world while taking years and years without actually leaving the EU which then destroys the Single Market if a member state has all these new backdoor trade deals while still being a member.

Not really difficult to understand I would have thought but there again, who would say they are leaving then spend years and years not leaving "
Not if they have enacted A50 it wouldn't it would give them 2 years to sort their shit out but the eu doesn't want to make it easy otherwise others would.Its the hotel california.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More moaning about the EU from the brexiters ...

Be positive FFS...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing about Brexit should put off other countries. Provided they are happy introducing a hard border with custom checks.

This is bigger than an fta because of MFN rules. It affects every but of trade.

An fta doesn't solve. Unless we want common border tarrifs and common standards. Which we don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who thinks the UK will be able to secure unanimous support for agreement of the tariff schedule once we leave the EU?

Here is what the Institute for Government say:

"Once the UK has a draft of its schedules, and once it has left the EU, it can start trading off them. The WTO does have a formal process for approving schedules – known as ‘certification’ – which requires unanimous approval from every WTO member, i.e. 164 countries."

And here is a link to an article from the Independent from an interview they had with the Institute of Exporters.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-wto-schedule-argentina-spain-brexit-latest-a7468766.html

This is what they said:

"The challenge is that the UK wants to replicate the agreement, the schedule, that we had as a member of the EU, with other countries. That’s fine and makes absolute sense. The only problem is that it could get blocked because we are looking for a consensus with more than 160 countries. It could cause us problems and that depends on how we manage the smaller countries, those with whom historically we may have had problems before. Argentina is one example where we may face an issue.”

"

Maybe the UK / Britain / England / whatever should send Boris to forge trade markets and trade deals with the Sentinel Islands?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

England voted to compete rather than co-operarte.

Is anyone surprised Europe is competing rather than co-operating , too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"England voted to compete rather than co-operarte.

Is anyone surprised Europe is competing rather than co-operating , too?"

Well, I go to bottom of our stairs, that is a bloody good point.

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