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Clyde ship yard workers shafted like i have been saying all along

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So the Tories have shafted the Clyde ship yard workers by opening a £1billion for military ships to international tender

i dont expect anyone on here to give a shit about those Clyde workers and what they were told if they voted no its the UK union at any cost and that means willing to lie

Sooooooo the Better Together mob said in ....

2014 -the MOD just wont build ships in a “foreign” country. liars!!!!!!!

now its...

2018 - going out to international tender

wake the hell up and stop beleving every word of scumbags ie the Tories infact all unionist parties well known liars and we do anything and say anything to keep the fucked up UK together

I will be waiting on the usual suspects deflecting and not wanna talk about this betrayal of those Clyde workers

and you will probably use those pish line of but but but but erm in an independent Scotland no shipe will be build just so you dont have to talk about what is really happening in the UK union with the promises the Better Together mob said in 2014

You lot do not like when people challenge this shit because it looks bad on the UK union oh well they made their bed now lie in it and we will expose lies from the no side

Take a guess how those workers on the Clyde are feeling when they see they work they were promised in 2014 go out to international tender the very think the no side wouldnt happen oh well eh dont go promising what you cant deliver

but yeah i expect those on here to deflect and defend and use Scottish independence as an attack just so you dont have to deal with the lies from the no side

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But they have to put it out to international tender as we are still in the EU and theme the rules

Same happened with the passports because again theme the rules, but because it effects Scotland you have again gone all anti English

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

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"But they have to put it out to international tender as we are still in the EU and theme the rules

Same happened with the passports because again theme the rules, but because it effects Scotland you have again gone all anti English "

Ah so you are saying its ok to lie to Scotland thats all ok then ? Interesting

Anti English where above have i said this ?

I told you unionists make up shite to deflect away from their own shite lies

I believe this is what Better Together in 2014 were telling people.

''Simply put the future of Scottish ship building depends on Scotland remaining in the UK''

Horse shit those workers have been screwed by the very UK union you lot love to defend by putting it out to international tender they very think they said Britain didn't build ships anywhere else during the 2014 Scottish independence referendum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where did you read the ships are being put out to tender?

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Where did you read the ships are being put out to tender?"

Are not seriously not capable of doing it yourself ? Go look for yourself

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD


"Where did you read the ships are being put out to tender?

Are not seriously not capable of doing it yourself ? Go look for yourself "

Kinky is making this bull up.

He must have ran out of other things to moan about!

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Where did you read the ships are being put out to tender?

Are not seriously not capable of doing it yourself ? Go look for yourself

Kinky is making this bull up.

He must have ran out of other things to moan about!"

Whatever you say chief

its easy to go find it am not here to do the work for you dont be lazy now lol

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Kinky... you do know these are not the same contracts that are already going to the Clyde don’t you!

And that the Clyde shipbuilders have a full order book till 2024....

And just because they are going out to tender it doesn’t mean they have to take the lowest bid...and the can use the national security clause in eu law to give them to a British builder...

Because heaven forbid those contracts go to Merseyside or barrow or Falmouth or Portsmouth etc...

At this stage all the tendering process will tell people is potentially how much and what timescale

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

The tender is not for military ships it is for fleet auxiliary ships.

Talk about twisting the truth Kinky!!

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Says it all how much people actually give a fuck about Scotland in here

You are happy to make promises in 2014 so Scotland dont like this pish corrupt UK

Then when Scotland votes no to stay in the UK its back to shafting Scotland and guess what unionists dont give a damn what a shocker eh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where did you read the ships are being put out to tender?

Are not seriously not capable of doing it yourself ? Go look for yourself "

I can't find anything.

Is this from the same source as your Governor General of Scotland story?

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Where did you read the ships are being put out to tender?

Are not seriously not capable of doing it yourself ? Go look for yourself

I can't find anything.

Is this from the same source as your Governor General of Scotland story?"

Oh well not looking hard enough i cant help you its about time people on here do your own research expecting others to do it for you thats sad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the Tories have shafted the Clyde ship yard workers by opening a £1billion for military ships to international tender

i dont expect anyone on here to give a shit about those Clyde workers and what they were told if they voted no its the UK union at any cost and that means willing to lie

Sooooooo the Better Together mob said in ....

2014 -the MOD just wont build ships in a “foreign” country. liars!!!!!!!

now its...

2018 - going out to international tender

wake the hell up and stop beleving every word of scumbags ie the Tories infact all unionist parties well known liars and we do anything and say anything to keep the fucked up UK together

I will be waiting on the usual suspects deflecting and not wanna talk about this betrayal of those Clyde workers

and you will probably use those pish line of but but but but erm in an independent Scotland no shipe will be build just so you dont have to talk about what is really happening in the UK union with the promises the Better Together mob said in 2014

You lot do not like when people challenge this shit because it looks bad on the UK union oh well they made their bed now lie in it and we will expose lies from the no side

Take a guess how those workers on the Clyde are feeling when they see they work they were promised in 2014 go out to international tender the very think the no side wouldnt happen oh well eh dont go promising what you cant deliver

but yeah i expect those on here to deflect and defend and use Scottish independence as an attack just so you dont have to deal with the lies from the no side "

This is what global trading is all about. You can't cherry pick - just having all the good bits! It's up to the shipyard to put in the best tender. That's the way of business - nothing to do with politics or party - just about the best deal!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As usual no one has a scobby doo where in kinky world he gets his info.

Warships will be built in the UK but RFA tankers can be built abroad if it is a better bid.

UK yards are free to bid for this work.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Op would you be so annoyed if it was a English company and English worker's losing out to a European counterpart?

There are many many industries that have been decimated by the Tories and labour.

My own trade (carpenter) has changed so much since I became qualified in the 80's .

How many carrillion worker's did you give a shit about? And the many building companies that have gone tits up ten's of thousands of jobs (not hundreds) gone many never to return to the building trade.

You talk about people not giving a crap well there's few industries that have been obliterated as much as the building trade since the Tories decided everyman should be self employed.

You talk about it not being fair well I suggest that you walk around every large building site in the UK and I guarantee that most large projects will have around 70% of worker's who are non UK citizens.

Can't see many people complaining about that? And what about the fishing industry the percentage is probably higher.

My point is it's not just Scotland that have been lied to.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

Kinky just can't admit that order book for the clyfe shipyard is full until 2024.

The tender is for 3 fleet auxiliary ships for the new aircraft carriers that will be in service before 2024.

Do you expect the Royal Navy to wait Kinky?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Op would you be so annoyed if it was a English company and English worker's losing out to a European counterpart?

There are many many industries that have been decimated by the Tories and labour.

My own trade (carpenter) has changed so much since I became qualified in the 80's .

How many carrillion worker's did you give a shit about? And the many building companies that have gone tits up ten's of thousands of jobs (not hundreds) gone many never to return to the building trade.

You talk about people not giving a crap well there's few industries that have been obliterated as much as the building trade since the Tories decided everyman should be self employed.

You talk about it not being fair well I suggest that you walk around every large building site in the UK and I guarantee that most large projects will have around 70% of worker's who are non UK citizens.

Can't see many people complaining about that? And what about the fishing industry the percentage is probably higher.

My point is it's not just Scotland that have been lied to."

I agree with everything you have written but kinky is only gonna parrot about promises made to shipyard workers as he doe not give a toss about anyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now that someone has given a bit more detail (e.g. fleet auxillary) I've found the story.

Put them out to tender by all means but only to English shipyards.

By the time they've been built Scotland will be independent and only need a blow up dinghy for it's three-man navy.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"As usual no one has a scobby doo where in kinky world he gets his info.

Warships will be built in the UK but RFA tankers can be built abroad if it is a better bid.

UK yards are free to bid for this work."

Check your unionist rag loo roll you know the one that gave you the "vow"

There cant say at least giving you hints

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Op would you be so annoyed if it was a English company and English worker's losing out to a European counterpart?

There are many many industries that have been decimated by the Tories and labour.

My own trade (carpenter) has changed so much since I became qualified in the 80's .

How many carrillion worker's did you give a shit about? And the many building companies that have gone tits up ten's of thousands of jobs (not hundreds) gone many never to return to the building trade.

You talk about people not giving a crap well there's few industries that have been obliterated as much as the building trade since the Tories decided everyman should be self employed.

You talk about it not being fair well I suggest that you walk around every large building site in the UK and I guarantee that most large projects will have around 70% of worker's who are non UK citizens.

Can't see many people complaining about that? And what about the fishing industry the percentage is probably higher.

My point is it's not just Scotland that have been lied to.

I agree with everything you have written but kinky is only gonna parrot about promises made to shipyard workers as he doe not give a toss about anyone else."

Ah a Labour man that doesnt care about the lie Labour sold Scottish people in 2014 what a fucking shocker lol

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

So if they need these ships before 2024 and Clyde shipyard has a full order book until 2024 , just what do you propose they do?

Just interested in your solution since this is apparently a gripe you have!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if they need these ships before 2024 and Clyde shipyard has a full order book until 2024 , just what do you propose they do?

Just interested in your solution since this is apparently a gripe you have!"

Ah so everyone has to wait for 2025 before they can order any new ships

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if they need these ships before 2024 and Clyde shipyard has a full order book until 2024 , just what do you propose they do?

Just interested in your solution since this is apparently a gripe you have!

Ah so everyone has to wait for 2025 before they can order any new ships "

Take a ticket and wait your turn...you can have any ship you want as long as it's built on the Clyde.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Its clear you lot dont care about promises made in 2014 to those Clyde workers now that Scotland voted for to stay in the corrupt UK

Now its well why shouldnt other ship yards get the work erm maybe because the work was promised to the Clyde ship yards

So go promising what you cant deliver eh or people have right damn right to call bullshit lies out

All to save the UK from breaking apart fucking discusting this UK union is

Thank fuck some no voters have seen sense that they were sold a lie in 2014

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Its clear you lot dont care about promises made in 2014 to those Clyde workers now that Scotland voted for to stay in the corrupt UK

Now its well why shouldnt other ship yards get the work erm maybe because the work was promised to the Clyde ship yards

So go promising what you cant deliver eh or people have right damn right to call bullshit lies out

All to save the UK from breaking apart fucking discusting this UK union is

Thank fuck some no voters have seen sense that they were sold a lie in 2014

"

And will the company that runs the shipyard employ 100% Scottish workers ?

Don't you think if they can save money employing cheaper foreign labour they will??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its clear you lot dont care about promises made in 2014 to those Clyde workers now that Scotland voted for to stay in the corrupt UK

Now its well why shouldnt other ship yards get the work erm maybe because the work was promised to the Clyde ship yards

So go promising what you cant deliver eh or people have right damn right to call bullshit lies out

All to save the UK from breaking apart fucking discusting this UK union is

Thank fuck some no voters have seen sense that they were sold a lie in 2014

"

WRONG AGAIN !!!

RFA tankers are not warships so they have to go out to tender.

As they are not warships so were not due to be built on the Clyde.

The Clyde yard can render for the work if they want to.

The Clyde yard has a full order book so can't build them in the time frame so won't tender for them.

The last RFA tankers were built in South Korea but I hope a Tyne or Mersey yard gets the work.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Its clear you lot dont care about promises made in 2014 to those Clyde workers now that Scotland voted for to stay in the corrupt UK

Now its well why shouldnt other ship yards get the work erm maybe because the work was promised to the Clyde ship yards

So go promising what you cant deliver eh or people have right damn right to call bullshit lies out

All to save the UK from breaking apart fucking discusting this UK union is

Thank fuck some no voters have seen sense that they were sold a lie in 2014

WRONG AGAIN !!!

RFA tankers are not warships so they have to go out to tender.

As they are not warships so were not due to be built on the Clyde.

The Clyde yard can render for the work if they want to.

The Clyde yard has a full order book so can't build them in the time frame so won't tender for them.

The last RFA tankers were built in South Korea but I hope a Tyne or Mersey yard gets the work."

Another useless post where the Op once again forgets to research his facts!

BAE were never going to bid for the RFA work. The yards are full to capacity until the mid 2030s, and these ships are required mid 2020s.

But here's the clincher. These are big ships, 40000 plus tonnnes, and the slips at Govan are too small!

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Its clear you lot dont care about promises made in 2014 to those Clyde workers now that Scotland voted for to stay in the corrupt UK

Now its well why shouldnt other ship yards get the work erm maybe because the work was promised to the Clyde ship yards

So go promising what you cant deliver eh or people have right damn right to call bullshit lies out

All to save the UK from breaking apart fucking discusting this UK union is

Thank fuck some no voters have seen sense that they were sold a lie in 2014

And will the company that runs the shipyard employ 100% Scottish workers ?

Don't you think if they can save money employing cheaper foreign labour they will??"

Was the promise in 2014 that these jobs will go 100% to Scottish ship yards ?

Now its more looking like oh wait we got our no vote for Scotland to stay in the UK so now we can fuck about and put those jobs out to tender to countries outside of Scotland that was not what Better Together said

And whats shocking is people think that more than acceptable to promise those Clyde workers those jobs now it oh wait we will put them out to tender and you thinkpeople have no right to challenge that outright lie

Its starting to honestly sound like alot of people in here from outside Scotland dont care about Scotland its all about keeping our assests and natural resourses like wind turbins fish Scottish meat gin whisky spring water soft drinks you name it dont wanna go losing that eh

While England frack the shit out of beautiful country land we in Scotland have renewable energy that can give alot of houses leccy

No wonder why England copy Scotland great ways of living just sorry your stuck with the Tories lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its clear you lot dont care about promises made in 2014 to those Clyde workers now that Scotland voted for to stay in the corrupt UK

Now its well why shouldnt other ship yards get the work erm maybe because the work was promised to the Clyde ship yards

So go promising what you cant deliver eh or people have right damn right to call bullshit lies out

All to save the UK from breaking apart fucking discusting this UK union is

Thank fuck some no voters have seen sense that they were sold a lie in 2014

WRONG AGAIN !!!

RFA tankers are not warships so they have to go out to tender.

As they are not warships so were not due to be built on the Clyde.

The Clyde yard can render for the work if they want to.

The Clyde yard has a full order book so can't build them in the time frame so won't tender for them.

The last RFA tankers were built in South Korea but I hope a Tyne or Mersey yard gets the work."

It is pointless posting facts.

Kinky doesn't do facts.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Its clear you lot dont care about promises made in 2014 to those Clyde workers now that Scotland voted for to stay in the corrupt UK

Now its well why shouldnt other ship yards get the work erm maybe because the work was promised to the Clyde ship yards

So go promising what you cant deliver eh or people have right damn right to call bullshit lies out

All to save the UK from breaking apart fucking discusting this UK union is

Thank fuck some no voters have seen sense that they were sold a lie in 2014

WRONG AGAIN !!!

RFA tankers are not warships so they have to go out to tender.

As they are not warships so were not due to be built on the Clyde.

The Clyde yard can render for the work if they want to.

The Clyde yard has a full order book so can't build them in the time frame so won't tender for them.

The last RFA tankers were built in South Korea but I hope a Tyne or Mersey yard gets the work.

It is pointless posting facts.

Kinky doesn't do facts."

Whever you say chief lol

Shocked not one of you have used the tired old pish line oh but in an independent Scotland no ships would be build as thats the usual tactic to get away from lie from unionists

Couldnt have your wee UK union getting challenged its not allowed we cybernats arent allowed to ever question the bullshit from unionists in 2014

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

Explain to every one Kinky how the Clyde shipyard can build and deliver the required ships on time when they are needed please?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its clear you lot dont care about promises made in 2014 to those Clyde workers now that Scotland voted for to stay in the corrupt UK

Now its well why shouldnt other ship yards get the work erm maybe because the work was promised to the Clyde ship yards

So go promising what you cant deliver eh or people have right damn right to call bullshit lies out

All to save the UK from breaking apart fucking discusting this UK union is

Thank fuck some no voters have seen sense that they were sold a lie in 2014

And will the company that runs the shipyard employ 100% Scottish workers ?

Don't you think if they can save money employing cheaper foreign labour they will??

Was the promise in 2014 that these jobs will go 100% to Scottish ship yards ?

Now its more looking like oh wait we got our no vote for Scotland to stay in the UK so now we can fuck about and put those jobs out to tender to countries outside of Scotland that was not what Better Together said

And whats shocking is people think that more than acceptable to promise those Clyde workers those jobs now it oh wait we will put them out to tender and you thinkpeople have no right to challenge that outright lie

Its starting to honestly sound like alot of people in here from outside Scotland dont care about Scotland its all about keeping our assests and natural resourses like wind turbins fish Scottish meat gin whisky spring water soft drinks you name it dont wanna go losing that eh

While England frack the shit out of beautiful country land we in Scotland have renewable energy that can give alot of houses leccy

No wonder why England copy Scotland great ways of living just sorry your stuck with the Tories lol"

Do you know the difference between a RFA TANKER and a RN Warship ????

The RFA tankers are manned by civilians. They are built by the tender process.

They are two completely different things !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its clear you lot dont care about promises made in 2014 to those Clyde workers now that Scotland voted for to stay in the corrupt UK

Now its well why shouldnt other ship yards get the work erm maybe because the work was promised to the Clyde ship yards

So go promising what you cant deliver eh or people have right damn right to call bullshit lies out

All to save the UK from breaking apart fucking discusting this UK union is

Thank fuck some no voters have seen sense that they were sold a lie in 2014

WRONG AGAIN !!!

RFA tankers are not warships so they have to go out to tender.

As they are not warships so were not due to be built on the Clyde.

The Clyde yard can render for the work if they want to.

The Clyde yard has a full order book so can't build them in the time frame so won't tender for them.

The last RFA tankers were built in South Korea but I hope a Tyne or Mersey yard gets the work.

It is pointless posting facts.

Kinky doesn't do facts.

Whever you say chief lol

Shocked not one of you have used the tired old pish line oh but in an independent Scotland no ships would be build as thats the usual tactic to get away from lie from unionists

Couldnt have your wee UK union getting challenged its not allowed we cybernats arent allowed to ever question the bullshit from unionists in 2014"

They are not warships! !!

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Greenoakmale what was it Scottish Labour branch were telling people in 2014?

Oh wait you have memory loss correct ?

You a Labour man should know what Johann Lamont that mad Currie

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Explain to every one Kinky how the Clyde shipyard can build and deliver the required ships on time when they are needed please?"

It’s a simple question, but kinky will never answer it mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Greenoakmale what was it Scottish Labour branch were telling people in 2014?

Oh wait you have memory loss correct ?

You a Labour man should know what Johann Lamont that mad Currie "

That does not make sense !!!

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Any of you remember Labour members giving Alex Salamond a letter from workers in BAE this was pre indy ref 2014 and btw Labour were part of Better Together dont deny it

" we know that as part of the UK the future of shipbuilding in Scotland is secure. The UK will invest £4 billion to procure 13 vessels in the class"

Paul Sweeney signed that letter same Paul Sweeney that is now a Scottish Labour branch mp lol

But hey you keep up with the lies so many in here do not care about Scotland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any of you remember Labour members giving Alex Salamond a letter from workers in BAE this was pre indy ref 2014 and btw Labour were part of Better Together dont deny it

" we know that as part of the UK the future of shipbuilding in Scotland is secure. The UK will invest £4 billion to procure 13 vessels in the class"

Paul Sweeney signed that letter same Paul Sweeney that is now a Scottish Labour branch mp lol

But hey you keep up with the lies so many in here do not care about Scotland

"

If you are referring to the contract to build Type 26 frigates then it was reduced from 13 vessels to 8.

The Royal Navy decided it couldn't afford or didn't need 13 x Type 26 frigates.

Would you rather 13 Type 26 frigates be built just to keep the SNP happy?

5 x Offshore Patrol Vessels were ordered later so making it up to 13 vessels, albeit not in the same class.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

So, another day and another bout of lying from Kinky, and he has the gall to accuse others of lying.

His original post is so full of crap, it's unbelievable. Confusing new ship orders with old, mixing up the tendering process for RN and RFA vessels, forgetting ,to check whether BAE Systems were actually going to tender for this work (they aren't) and neglecting to check if the yards actually had the any capacity both in timescale and size (they haven't).

Deflected the arguement with a "promise" made by a Labour official, despite the fact that they weren't in power and hadnt any legal basis to make any such procurement promise, whereas the official Goverment line was that "no RN warship would be built in an Independent Scotland".

I'm staggered how someone, who incidentally has all this explained to him so many times before, can get so much so wrong!

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Any of you remember Labour members giving Alex Salamond a letter from workers in BAE this was pre indy ref 2014 and btw Labour were part of Better Together dont deny it

" we know that as part of the UK the future of shipbuilding in Scotland is secure. The UK will invest £4 billion to procure 13 vessels in the class"

Paul Sweeney signed that letter same Paul Sweeney that is now a Scottish Labour branch mp lol

But hey you keep up with the lies so many in here do not care about Scotland

If you are referring to the contract to build Type 26 frigates then it was reduced from 13 vessels to 8.

The Royal Navy decided it couldn't afford or didn't need 13 x Type 26 frigates.

Would you rather 13 Type 26 frigates be built just to keep the SNP happy?

5 x Offshore Patrol Vessels were ordered later so making it up to 13 vessels, albeit not in the same class.

"

So its ok to break promises is that what your saying ?

13 type 26 frigates were promised to the Clyde

Then comes the no voter and all of a sudden now uts ok to take back the promise of 13 to 8 then its 5 and still to this date only 3 type 26s have actually been signed to be build where is the missing 10?

You honestly believe people have no right to challenge that ?

Like i said there is some no voters that have seen sense that they were lied too in 2014 and joined the YES movement that why unionists are shitting a brick at the thought of democracy in action have having a new independence referendum as things change in a democracy and people are allowed to change their minds

If unionists bekieve in the UK then get the Tories told to keep the promises they made to Scotland as we the pro indy supporters aint going anywhere and there is nothing you can do to get rid of us lol

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Kinky, it's simply your opinion that these ships won't be built in Scotland.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

What Kinky also fails to mention is that all modern warships are built in batches.

This allows modifications and updates to be designed into the ships.

What good would a modern warship be if it was built to a 20-30 year old design with no new modern technology added to it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its clear you lot dont care about promises made in 2014 to those Clyde workers now that Scotland voted for to stay in the corrupt UK

Now its well why shouldnt other ship yards get the work erm maybe because the work was promised to the Clyde ship yards

So go promising what you cant deliver eh or people have right damn right to call bullshit lies out

All to save the UK from breaking apart fucking discusting this UK union is

Thank fuck some no voters have seen sense that they were sold a lie in 2014

"

So please educate us all in how they would be able to build anything else there seeing as they are full booked until 2024 ?

If someone wants a ship built before then it’s not going to happen is it

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Are you lot seriously not capable of doing your own research ? Go do it yourself dont be so lazy

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Are you lot seriously not capable of doing your own research ? Go do it yourself dont be so lazy "

I think we all have. It's you that needs to get your facts straight.

Little tip. Want to know about ships? Read respected trade journals like UK Defence Journal, instead of relying on what the Rev Stu tells you!

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Are you lot seriously not capable of doing your own research ? Go do it yourself dont be so lazy

I think we all have. It's you that needs to get your facts straight.

Little tip. Want to know about ships? Read respected trade journals like UK Defence Journal, instead of relying on what the Rev Stu tells you!"

Paranoid much ? Who the hell says i got it from Wings ? There is plenty of sites out there Mercury lol

Btw Mercury did you see them all say you are wrong that there is no governor general of Scotland ? You might wanna tell your wee pals on here the name of the guy again lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kinky is refering to an article in the Daily Record.

The jist is jobs could be created in the UK if these ships do not go out to tender.

I personally would prefer there ships to be built in the UK.

Kinky seems in his own world that RFA TANKERS are RN WARSHIPS.

This tendering process has nothing to do whatsoever with the RN WARSHIPS being built on the Clyde.

Once again he is totally wrong but too stupid to admit it.

Then again Peter Murrell....Mr Nicola sturgeon did direct his followers on twatter to a spoof UK gov site thinking it was real.

No wonder poor kinky is so confused.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you lot seriously not capable of doing your own research ? Go do it yourself dont be so lazy

I think we all have. It's you that needs to get your facts straight.

Little tip. Want to know about ships? Read respected trade journals like UK Defence Journal, instead of relying on what the Rev Stu tells you!

Paranoid much ? Who the hell says i got it from Wings ? There is plenty of sites out there Mercury lol

Btw Mercury did you see them all say you are wrong that there is no governor general of Scotland ? You might wanna tell your wee pals on here the name of the guy again lol "

So who is the governor General of Scotland? ??

Oh let me guess I have to do research that will not turn up a single thing

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Kinky is refering to an article in the Daily Record.

The jist is jobs could be created in the UK if these ships do not go out to tender.

I personally would prefer there ships to be built in the UK.

Kinky seems in his own world that RFA TANKERS are RN WARSHIPS.

This tendering process has nothing to do whatsoever with the RN WARSHIPS being built on the Clyde.

Once again he is totally wrong but too stupid to admit it.

Then again Peter Murrell....Mr Nicola sturgeon did direct his followers on twatter to a spoof UK gov site thinking it was real.

No wonder poor kinky is so confused. "

Yup there is that nasty side so anyone that challenges your unionists lies you call them names

Am now thick eh ? Well done eh

Unionism is a very nasty ugly side to it

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Are you lot seriously not capable of doing your own research ? Go do it yourself dont be so lazy

I think we all have. It's you that needs to get your facts straight.

Little tip. Want to know about ships? Read respected trade journals like UK Defence Journal, instead of relying on what the Rev Stu tells you!

Paranoid much ? Who the hell says i got it from Wings ? There is plenty of sites out there Mercury lol

Btw Mercury did you see them all say you are wrong that there is no governor general of Scotland ? You might wanna tell your wee pals on here the name of the guy again lol

So who is the governor General of Scotland? ??

Oh let me guess I have to do research that will not turn up a single thing "

Am i required to tell you ? Ask Mercury he told you yesterday maybe call him out as a liar eh ?

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple
over a year ago

london

I personally dont give a shite about Scotland,it couldn't stand on its own without England pouring money into it.

There you go kinky, chew on that

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Are you lot seriously not capable of doing your own research ? Go do it yourself dont be so lazy

I think we all have. It's you that needs to get your facts straight.

Little tip. Want to know about ships? Read respected trade journals like UK Defence Journal, instead of relying on what the Rev Stu tells you!

Paranoid much ? Who the hell says i got it from Wings ? There is plenty of sites out there Mercury lol

Btw Mercury did you see them all say you are wrong that there is no governor general of Scotland ? You might wanna tell your wee pals on here the name of the guy again lol "

I was humouring you in naming David Steel. It's who some fantasists in a Independent Scotland parallel universe named on a spoof website.

There is no position of Governor General of Scotland. Not now, not in the past and not in the future. Got it now, chief?

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"I personally dont give a shite about Scotland,it couldn't stand on its own without England pouring money into it.

There you go kinky, chew on that"

There it is the anti Scottish shit

So if thats the case that you believe we in Scottish a just wee subsidy junkies leeching off Englands money then why is England so hell bent on keeping Scotland in the UK ?

Remember you have Tory government that are love cutting shit to save money so they say but wont cut us Scottish leeches off and tell us to fuck off i wonder why that could be lol

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Are you lot seriously not capable of doing your own research ? Go do it yourself dont be so lazy

I think we all have. It's you that needs to get your facts straight.

Little tip. Want to know about ships? Read respected trade journals like UK Defence Journal, instead of relying on what the Rev Stu tells you!

Paranoid much ? Who the hell says i got it from Wings ? There is plenty of sites out there Mercury lol

Btw Mercury did you see them all say you are wrong that there is no governor general of Scotland ? You might wanna tell your wee pals on here the name of the guy again lol

I was humouring you in naming David Steel. It's who some fantasists in a Independent Scotland parallel universe named on a spoof website.

There is no position of Governor General of Scotland. Not now, not in the past and not in the future. Got it now, chief? "

Whatever you say chief i knew your wont wanna go against your pals in the gang forming in here you brown nose each other its sad really lol

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Why not tell us who it is then? Humour us for a change!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Kinky is refering to an article in the Daily Record.

The jist is jobs could be created in the UK if these ships do not go out to tender.

I personally would prefer there ships to be built in the UK.

Kinky seems in his own world that RFA TANKERS are RN WARSHIPS.

This tendering process has nothing to do whatsoever with the RN WARSHIPS being built on the Clyde.

Once again he is totally wrong but too stupid to admit it.

Then again Peter Murrell....Mr Nicola sturgeon did direct his followers on twatter to a spoof UK gov site thinking it was real.

No wonder poor kinky is so confused.

Yup there is that nasty side so anyone that challenges your unionists lies you call them names

Am now thick eh ? Well done eh

Unionism is a very nasty ugly side to it "

But do you concede that you have misread, misinterpreted, and misrepresented the information....

And as per usual tried to use it to push another narrative!

Again..... you seem to get fact and opinion confused

You can argue opinion... you can’t argue fact

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Kinky as you won’t talk to Fabio because he proves you wrong every time on here can you answer his question for me then ? Pretty plsssssss

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Are you lot seriously not capable of doing your own research ? Go do it yourself dont be so lazy

I think we all have. It's you that needs to get your facts straight.

Little tip. Want to know about ships? Read respected trade journals like UK Defence Journal, instead of relying on what the Rev Stu tells you!

Paranoid much ? Who the hell says i got it from Wings ? There is plenty of sites out there Mercury lol

Btw Mercury did you see them all say you are wrong that there is no governor general of Scotland ? You might wanna tell your wee pals on here the name of the guy again lol

I was humouring you in naming David Steel. It's who some fantasists in a Independent Scotland parallel universe named on a spoof website.

There is no position of Governor General of Scotland. Not now, not in the past and not in the future. Got it now, chief?

Whatever you say chief i knew your wont wanna go against your pals in the gang forming in here you brown nose each other its sad really lol "

Are you high?

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Are you lot seriously not capable of doing your own research ? Go do it yourself dont be so lazy

I think we all have. It's you that needs to get your facts straight.

Little tip. Want to know about ships? Read respected trade journals like UK Defence Journal, instead of relying on what the Rev Stu tells you!

Paranoid much ? Who the hell says i got it from Wings ? There is plenty of sites out there Mercury lol

Btw Mercury did you see them all say you are wrong that there is no governor general of Scotland ? You might wanna tell your wee pals on here the name of the guy again lol

I was humouring you in naming David Steel. It's who some fantasists in a Independent Scotland parallel universe named on a spoof website.

There is no position of Governor General of Scotland. Not now, not in the past and not in the future. Got it now, chief?

Whatever you say chief i knew your wont wanna go against your pals in the gang forming in here you brown nose each other its sad really lol

Are you high?"

Whatever you say chief

Is that cause i have different opinions to others oh fuck me i must be high eh lol

This wee gang growing and growing these fourms are becoming nastier and nastier

If you dont agree with the wee gang of beiwn nosers

Then your wrong lmao

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Kinky as you won’t talk to Fabio because he proves you wrong every time on here can you answer his question for me then ? Pretty plsssssss "

Nope happy with that ?

Its sad thats you have to go and do his dirty work

I told you i will never answer his question or talk to him

And the fact he as to ask someone to ask for him to try and get round talking to me is sad

So no i wont thanks

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Ahem..... point of correction

I am not challenging kinky as an individual

I am challenging the information kinky is providing

I think on a forum where facts matter... i absolutely think that is fair game

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Oh by the way.... I think the misinformation you provide is spamming at best and baiting at worst

All we as people are in effect doing is fact checking

If you got the facts correct... people wouldn’t be able to poke so many holes in the opinions

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

And that’s not a personal attack... in politics and policy facts matter and the truth matters

If you get that wrong... and your words are your currency, then I believe you have to get it right or it has no weight

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Oh by the way.... I think the misinformation you provide is spamming at best and baiting at worst

All we as people are in effect doing is fact checking

If you got the facts correct... people wouldn’t be able to poke so many holes in the opinions"

Yawn!!!

i dont know how many times you need to be told i aint interested in anything you have to say thanks

i have no interest in talking to you and know why it is but you keep going

i dont have a problem with you talking to others in the thread but i wonder why it will dawn on you i dont wish to talk to you again you know why this is

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Just pointing out Fabio never asked me to ask you I took it on myself to ask you kinky because I thought it was a fair question that’s fair tho isn’t it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kinky is refering to an article in the Daily Record.

The jist is jobs could be created in the UK if these ships do not go out to tender.

I personally would prefer there ships to be built in the UK.

Kinky seems in his own world that RFA TANKERS are RN WARSHIPS.

This tendering process has nothing to do whatsoever with the RN WARSHIPS being built on the Clyde.

Once again he is totally wrong but too stupid to admit it.

Then again Peter Murrell....Mr Nicola sturgeon did direct his followers on twatter to a spoof UK gov site thinking it was real.

No wonder poor kinky is so confused.

Yup there is that nasty side so anyone that challenges your unionists lies you call them names

Am now thick eh ? Well done eh

Unionism is a very nasty ugly side to it "

If pointing out once again you are completely WRONG is being nasty there is no hope for you.

THERE IS NO GG OF SCOTLAND !!!!

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Just pointing out Fabio never asked me to ask you I took it on myself to ask you kinky because I thought it was a fair question that’s fair tho isn’t it ? "

Well i say no thanks

as clearly Fabio was begging people to ask a question for him to me on the other thread

So sorry if i dont believe you lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still no GG of Scotland

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Still no GG of Scotland "

Yeah thinking i will take the bait eh lol

you lot really

go do it yourself gonna state the rule on here i have to do anything you say ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Still no GG of Scotland

Yeah thinking i will take the bait eh lol

you lot really

go do it yourself gonna state the rule on here i have to do anything you say ? "

If I write to Nicola sturgeon will she know who it is or is it a secret from her and everyone in Scotland ???

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Still no GG of Scotland

Yeah thinking i will take the bait eh lol

you lot really

go do it yourself gonna state the rule on here i have to do anything you say ?

If I write to Nicola sturgeon will she know who it is or is it a secret from her and everyone in Scotland ???"

Do what you want do you need my permission to write a letter now ? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Still no GG of Scotland

Yeah thinking i will take the bait eh lol

you lot really

go do it yourself gonna state the rule on here i have to do anything you say ?

If I write to Nicola sturgeon will she know who it is or is it a secret from her and everyone in Scotland ???

Do what you want do you need my permission to write a letter now ? lol"

No just wondering if anyone else in the world knows the answer apart from there is not one !!!

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Still no GG of Scotland

Yeah thinking i will take the bait eh lol

you lot really

go do it yourself gonna state the rule on here i have to do anything you say ?

If I write to Nicola sturgeon will she know who it is or is it a secret from her and everyone in Scotland ???

Do what you want do you need my permission to write a letter now ? lol

No just wondering if anyone else in the world knows the answer apart from there is not one !!! "

Ok well here is me giving you permission toy write your wee letter out eh

lol

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Still no GG of Scotland

Yeah thinking i will take the bait eh lol

you lot really

go do it yourself gonna state the rule on here i have to do anything you say ?

If I write to Nicola sturgeon will she know who it is or is it a secret from her and everyone in Scotland ???

Do what you want do you need my permission to write a letter now ? lol

No just wondering if anyone else in the world knows the answer apart from there is not one !!! "

And there was me hoping you would say rab c Nesbit... he would be superb

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Still no GG of Scotland

Yeah thinking i will take the bait eh lol

you lot really

go do it yourself gonna state the rule on here i have to do anything you say ?

If I write to Nicola sturgeon will she know who it is or is it a secret from her and everyone in Scotland ???

Do what you want do you need my permission to write a letter now ? lol

No just wondering if anyone else in the world knows the answer apart from there is not one !!!

Ok well here is me giving you permission toy write your wee letter out eh

lol "

As a GG of Scotland would be a public appointment it would be recorded and very easy to find.

Funny how no records exist as to who would have appointed this person ..... what there role would be e.g. is it ceremonial etc.

Not a dickie bird about it anywhere !!!

Funny that !!!!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

So are you saying it’s not rab c Nesbit.......

Can I nominate him for the role...

I can see it now... best vest on and carrying a tray of ferrier roche

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

My money is on Groundskeeper Willie from the Simpsons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it lulu ???

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton


"So are you saying it’s not rab c Nesbit.......

Can I nominate him for the role...

I can see it now... best vest on and carrying a tray of ferrier roche "

No, I've met The Kinkys. And to the untrained eye he looked entirely normal. Not a string vest in sight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But they have to put it out to international tender as we are still in the EU and theme the rules

Same happened with the passports because again theme the rules, but because it effects Scotland you have again gone all anti English "

In the case of navy ships I don't think it has to be open to tender

There would be an argument for keeping that in the UK on the grounds of national security ,

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

It seems to me that there are a few people who should be avoiding each others posts instead of attacking a poster, which is against forum rules if anyone wants to read them.

https://www.fabswingers.com/content/forum-rules

So to sum up, ignore the people who annoy you,ignore anyone who asks you to not converse on the forum, stop attacking people when posting

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