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"Nothing quite like a little honesty after the event to expose your supporters as racists and bigots whose racism and bigotry you played upon. But it is better exposed than festering while hidden under a facade of tolerance." Are you on that list of racists and bigots as you voted for brexit or are you a special case!!?  | |||
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"Nothing quite like a little honesty after the event to expose your supporters as racists and bigots whose racism and bigotry you played upon. But it is better exposed than festering while hidden under a facade of tolerance. Are you on that list of racists and bigots as you voted for brexit or are you a special case!!? "Leave.EU wasn't affiliated with the official Leave campaign. It was the brainchild of Arron Banks, then the main backer of UKIP. | |||
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"Brexiters keep sailing up that river in Egypt. ". Badum tish
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"Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true as the Nazi propaganda minister stated. A guy in my work voted leave because 70 million Turkish people would becoming to the UK if we did not leave the EU !!!!!" . They will eventually | |||
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"Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true as the Nazi propaganda minister stated. A guy in my work voted leave because 70 million Turkish people would becoming to the UK if we did not leave the EU !!!!!. They will eventually "How many Turkish are there in the UK at the moment? They not in the EU so based on that we could have stopped them all! Finally the UK has more migrants each year from the rest of the world than from the EU - we have control of those so why are we letting so many in? | |||
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"Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true as the Nazi propaganda minister stated. A guy in my work voted leave because 70 million Turkish people would becoming to the UK if we did not leave the EU !!!!!. They will eventually
How many Turkish are there in the UK at the moment? They not in the EU so based on that we could have stopped them all! Finally the UK has more migrants each year from the rest of the world than from the EU - we have control of those so why are we letting so many in?". To perpetuate the debt circle! | |||
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"I don't think Turkey will join the EU anytime remotely soon." Even if they did join tomorrow. It is nonsensical to suggest that the entire population of a country hate their country so much, that they want to move to an entirely different country with a different language, climate, culture and religion that is 2-3,000 miles away! | |||
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"I don't think Turkey will join the EU anytime remotely soon. Even if they did join tomorrow. It is nonsensical to suggest that the entire population of a country hate their country so much, that they want to move to an entirely different country with a different language, climate, culture and religion that is 2-3,000 miles away! " . I don't think anybody thinks the entire population of Turkey will up sticks, just a decent percentage like many Eastern Europeans did | |||
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" Are you on that list of racists and bigots as you voted for brexit or are you a special case!!? "HaHaHa... I know it is hard for many to comprehend, but I keep saying that I voted out because we have a cancer in our political heart and are/were also a cancer in the heart of the EU, and we need to be made face up to it and cure it before we can become a fully integrated part of the EU which is where our future prosperity and security lies (in my opinion). The problem with brexit and this slow slide into fascism is that just like Germany in the 1930's the vast majority refuse to acknowledge what is happening in front of them. Our country is broken, it has been broken by 40 years of monetarist policy, greed and a gradual move to the right. For 40 years the rich and powerful have blamed the EU and the poor and powerless for their mismanagement in the name of avarice and enough of the British people believed them to keep them in power, I voted out to remove one of the 2 excuses for our broken society. Soon the only people to blame for the growing disconnect between the rich and powerful and the rest of us will be ourselves, if at that point we still choose corruption, avarice and division over unity of purpose then we are lost and deserve to go the way of Ancient Rome. | |||
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"I don't think Turkey will join the EU anytime remotely soon. Even if they did join tomorrow. It is nonsensical to suggest that the entire population of a country hate their country so much, that they want to move to an entirely different country with a different language, climate, culture and religion that is 2-3,000 miles away! . I don't think anybody thinks the entire population of Turkey will up sticks, just a decent percentage like many Eastern Europeans did" So what percentage of Eastern Europe do you believe have relocated to the UK? 10%? 20%? 30%? | |||
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"And of course the stay campaign was all champagne and roses!! In fact the stay campaign was project fear! So in my opinion it could be said that they were as bad as each other. I voted on what I believe and not on what was said during the campaign. " One thought the Nazis were clever, the other didn't. Which did you vote for? | |||
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"All this nazi talk is really childish come on get a grip ffs " . Ja vol herr komendant  | |||
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"I don't think Turkey will join the EU anytime remotely soon. Even if they did join tomorrow. It is nonsensical to suggest that the entire population of a country hate their country so much, that they want to move to an entirely different country with a different language, climate, culture and religion that is 2-3,000 miles away! . I don't think anybody thinks the entire population of Turkey will up sticks, just a decent percentage like many Eastern Europeans did So what percentage of Eastern Europe do you believe have relocated to the UK? 10%? 20%? 30%? " . What just the united kingdom?. Erm probably somewhere in the region of about 0.5%-1% depending on how you define "Eastern Europe" | |||
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"All this nazi talk is really childish come on get a grip ffs " It was the Leave.EU campaign who compared their campaign tactics to the Nazis.  | |||
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"I don't think Turkey will join the EU anytime remotely soon. Even if they did join tomorrow. It is nonsensical to suggest that the entire population of a country hate their country so much, that they want to move to an entirely different country with a different language, climate, culture and religion that is 2-3,000 miles away! . I don't think anybody thinks the entire population of Turkey will up sticks, just a decent percentage like many Eastern Europeans did So what percentage of Eastern Europe do you believe have relocated to the UK? 10%? 20%? 30%? . What just the united kingdom?. Erm probably somewhere in the region of about 0.5%-1% depending on how you define "Eastern Europe"" And that's a decent percentage is it? | |||
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"All this nazi talk is really childish come on get a grip ffs It was the Leave.EU campaign who compared their campaign tactics to the Nazis. "no it was one man from the leave campaign it was a stupid remark but gives the kids something to shout about even nice bobs saying some brexitiers should be on a terrorist wach list we rREALY need to get a grip on here it’s turning into a kids playground | |||
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"All this nazi talk is really childish come on get a grip ffs It was the Leave.EU campaign who compared their campaign tactics to the Nazis. no it was one man from the leave campaign it was a stupid remark but gives the kids something to shout about even nice bobs saying some brexitiers should be on a terrorist wach list we rREALY need to get a grip on here it’s turning into a kids playground "Sounds like you are a bit bitter about being convinced by Nazi tactics | |||
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"All this nazi talk is really childish come on get a grip ffs It was the Leave.EU campaign who compared their campaign tactics to the Nazis. no it was one man from the leave campaign it was a stupid remark but gives the kids something to shout about even nice bobs saying some brexitiers should be on a terrorist wach list we rREALY need to get a grip on here it’s turning into a kids playground
Sounds like you are a bit bitter about being convinced by Nazi tactics "No it just sounds like you are still bitter about more people voting to leave the Eu! | |||
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"I never understood how a democracy like Germany could elect someone like Hitler. That was, until I saw Donald Trump at work. The parallels with Brexit were obvious - the populism, the demonising of minorities, the appeal to nationalism etc. Not for a minute am I suggesting those behind either campaign are fascists in waiting. But neither do I forget that Nazism did not start with the gas chambers. " Read coming of the third reich. It’s inciteful. Iirc they managed to get a small foot holding, which they they then used to create innocuous sounding laws which leveraged control. Rather than mind washing the masses they just needed a foot in the door through a small minority. Without going too Godwin there are read across to brexit and the Henry viii laws. | |||
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"All this nazi talk is really childish come on get a grip ffs It was the Leave.EU campaign who compared their campaign tactics to the Nazis. no it was one man from the leave campaign it was a stupid remark but gives the kids something to shout about even nice bobs saying some brexitiers should be on a terrorist wach list we rREALY need to get a grip on here it’s turning into a kids playground
Sounds like you are a bit bitter about being convinced by Nazi tactics
No it just sounds like you are still bitter about more people voting to leave the Eu! "No, but I had hoped that my fellow countrymen wouldn't be so easily duped. | |||
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"All this nazi talk is really childish come on get a grip ffs It was the Leave.EU campaign who compared their campaign tactics to the Nazis. no it was one man from the leave campaign it was a stupid remark but gives the kids something to shout about even nice bobs saying some brexitiers should be on a terrorist wach list we rREALY need to get a grip on here it’s turning into a kids playground
Sounds like you are a bit bitter about being convinced by Nazi tactics
No it just sounds like you are still bitter about more people voting to leave the Eu!
No, but I had hoped that my fellow countrymen wouldn't be so easily duped. "Duped who was duped!? Just off to get a copy of Mein Kampf and some new jack boots! Get real and stop clutching at straws for any excuse to stop the will of the people! | |||
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"Nothing quite like a little honesty after the event to expose your supporters as racists and bigots whose racism and bigotry you played upon. But it is better exposed than festering while hidden under a facade of tolerance. Are you on that list of racists and bigots as you voted for brexit or are you a special case!!? "Your remark is offensive and discusting and shows you are of very very low intelligence you must be a nazi | |||
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"Nothing quite like a little honesty after the event to expose your supporters as racists and bigots whose racism and bigotry you played upon. But it is better exposed than festering while hidden under a facade of tolerance. Are you on that list of racists and bigots as you voted for brexit or are you a special case!!? Your remark is offensive and discusting and shows you are of very very low intelligence you must be a nazi"I was simply pointing out that Will was implying that everyone who voted leave ( I voted leave) was a racist and bigot so by his own logic he was one too, as he voted leave!So the only person being offensive and disgusting and of very very low intelligence must be you as you didn't realise that! | |||
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"All this nazi talk is really childish come on get a grip ffs It was the Leave.EU campaign who compared their campaign tactics to the Nazis. no it was one man from the leave campaign it was a stupid remark but gives the kids something to shout about even nice bobs saying some brexitiers should be on a terrorist wach list we rREALY need to get a grip on here it’s turning into a kids playground
Sounds like you are a bit bitter about being convinced by Nazi tactics
No it just sounds like you are still bitter about more people voting to leave the Eu!
No, but I had hoped that my fellow countrymen wouldn't be so easily duped. "aw I thought you were better than that lol just accept ppl on both sides were told bullshit but we arnt bloody stupid we just have different opinions doesn’t make us all traitors racists or any other pathetic name | |||
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"It's interesting that the forum regular who worked on the campaign is suspiciously absent from this thread! " How childish are you? If you're referring to me, I actually joined the official 'Vote Leave' campaign as a volunteer. As Mercury already pointed out earlier in the thread Leave.EU was not part of the official Vote Leave campaign. There were other splinter Leave campaigns like the 'Grassroots Out (GO)' campaign but only one was awarded official status by the electoral commission. The 'Vote Leave' campaign was the only group awarded official status by the electoral commission and was the one I joined as a volunteer. Grassroots out and Leave.EU were separate campaigns and were never awarded official status. | |||
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"It's interesting that the forum regular who worked on the campaign is suspiciously absent from this thread! How childish are you? If you're referring to me, I actually joined the official 'Vote Leave' campaign as a volunteer. As Mercury already pointed out earlier in the thread Leave.EU was not part of the official Vote Leave campaign. There were other splinter Leave campaigns like the 'Grassroots Out (GO)' campaign but only one was awarded official status by the electoral commission. The 'Vote Leave' campaign was the only group awarded official status by the electoral commission and was the one I joined as a volunteer. Grassroots out and Leave.EU were separate campaigns and were never awarded official status. " No one on this thread has claimed Leave.EU was the official campaign. If you read the article (I doubt that you have), Cambridge Analytica were asked to do a joint strategy for Leave.EU, UKIP and Eldon insurance, illegally using UKIP membership data. | |||
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"It's interesting that the forum regular who worked on the campaign is suspiciously absent from this thread! How childish are you? If you're referring to me, I actually joined the official 'Vote Leave' campaign as a volunteer. As Mercury already pointed out earlier in the thread Leave.EU was not part of the official Vote Leave campaign. There were other splinter Leave campaigns like the 'Grassroots Out (GO)' campaign but only one was awarded official status by the electoral commission. The 'Vote Leave' campaign was the only group awarded official status by the electoral commission and was the one I joined as a volunteer. Grassroots out and Leave.EU were separate campaigns and were never awarded official status. No one on this thread has claimed Leave.EU was the official campaign. If you read the article (I doubt that you have), Cambridge Analytica were asked to do a joint strategy for Leave.EU, UKIP and Eldon insurance, illegally using UKIP membership data. " So you admit Leave.EU was not the official leave campaign then why do you think it's significant? Who exactly were you accusing on here of working for the Leave.EU campaign then? | |||
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"It's interesting that the forum regular who worked on the campaign is suspiciously absent from this thread! How childish are you? If you're referring to me, I actually joined the official 'Vote Leave' campaign as a volunteer. As Mercury already pointed out earlier in the thread Leave.EU was not part of the official Vote Leave campaign. There were other splinter Leave campaigns like the 'Grassroots Out (GO)' campaign but only one was awarded official status by the electoral commission. The 'Vote Leave' campaign was the only group awarded official status by the electoral commission and was the one I joined as a volunteer. Grassroots out and Leave.EU were separate campaigns and were never awarded official status. No one on this thread has claimed Leave.EU was the official campaign. If you read the article (I doubt that you have), Cambridge Analytica were asked to do a joint strategy for Leave.EU, UKIP and Eldon insurance, illegally using UKIP membership data. So you admit Leave.EU was not the official leave campaign then why do you think it's significant? Who exactly were you accusing on here of working for the Leave.EU campaign then? " There is nothing to admit, there was no claim that it was the official campaign. I had thought that you had worked on this campaign, rather than Vote Leave, if I am mistaken, then I apologise. | |||
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"It's interesting that the forum regular who worked on the campaign is suspiciously absent from this thread! How childish are you? If you're referring to me, I actually joined the official 'Vote Leave' campaign as a volunteer. As Mercury already pointed out earlier in the thread Leave.EU was not part of the official Vote Leave campaign. There were other splinter Leave campaigns like the 'Grassroots Out (GO)' campaign but only one was awarded official status by the electoral commission. The 'Vote Leave' campaign was the only group awarded official status by the electoral commission and was the one I joined as a volunteer. Grassroots out and Leave.EU were separate campaigns and were never awarded official status. No one on this thread has claimed Leave.EU was the official campaign. If you read the article (I doubt that you have), Cambridge Analytica were asked to do a joint strategy for Leave.EU, UKIP and Eldon insurance, illegally using UKIP membership data. So you admit Leave.EU was not the official leave campaign then why do you think it's significant? Who exactly were you accusing on here of working for the Leave.EU campaign then? There is nothing to admit, there was no claim that it was the official campaign. I had thought that you had worked on this campaign, rather than Vote Leave, if I am mistaken, then I apologise. " I've said time and again on here on various threads I joined Vote Leave as a volunteer. I also donated money to Vote Leave as it was the official Leave campaign. I've never ever claimed to have joined, worked for or donated to Leave.EU | |||
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" Erm probably somewhere in the region of about 0.5%-1% depending on how you define "Eastern Europe"" So you think there are somewhere between 1 and 10 MILLION Eastern Europeans (depending on how you define "Eastern Europe") in the UK? | |||
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" Are you on that list of racists and bigots as you voted for brexit or are you a special case!!?
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I know it is hard for many to comprehend, but I keep saying that I voted out because we have a cancer in our political heart and are/were also a cancer in the heart of the EU, and we need to be made face up to it and cure it before we can become a fully integrated part of the EU which is where our future prosperity and security lies (in my opinion). The problem with brexit and this slow slide into fascism is that just like Germany in the 1930's the vast majority refuse to acknowledge what is happening in front of them.
Our country is broken, it has been broken by 40 years of monetarist policy, greed and a gradual move to the right. For 40 years the rich and powerful have blamed the EU and the poor and powerless for their mismanagement in the name of avarice and enough of the British people believed them to keep them in power, I voted out to remove one of the 2 excuses for our broken society. Soon the only people to blame for the growing disconnect between the rich and powerful and the rest of us will be ourselves, if at that point we still choose corruption, avarice and division over unity of purpose then we are lost and deserve to go the way of Ancient Rome. "So basically you are saying you are a special case. Were the other 17,410,741 who voted Leave not as enlightened as you and therefore racists and bigots? Believing, as you do, that a Leave vote is going to plunge the UK into fascist chaos surely it would've been better to vote Remain and fight the cancer from within the EU? | |||
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" Are you on that list of racists and bigots as you voted for brexit or are you a special case!!?
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I know it is hard for many to comprehend, but I keep saying that I voted out because we have a cancer in our political heart and are/were also a cancer in the heart of the EU, and we need to be made face up to it and cure it before we can become a fully integrated part of the EU which is where our future prosperity and security lies (in my opinion). The problem with brexit and this slow slide into fascism is that just like Germany in the 1930's the vast majority refuse to acknowledge what is happening in front of them.
Our country is broken, it has been broken by 40 years of monetarist policy, greed and a gradual move to the right. For 40 years the rich and powerful have blamed the EU and the poor and powerless for their mismanagement in the name of avarice and enough of the British people believed them to keep them in power, I voted out to remove one of the 2 excuses for our broken society. Soon the only people to blame for the growing disconnect between the rich and powerful and the rest of us will be ourselves, if at that point we still choose corruption, avarice and division over unity of purpose then we are lost and deserve to go the way of Ancient Rome.
So basically you are saying you are a special case.
Were the other 17,410,741 who voted Leave not as enlightened as you and therefore racists and bigots?
Believing, as you do, that a Leave vote is going to plunge the UK into fascist chaos surely it would've been better to vote Remain and fight the cancer from within the EU?"My thoughts exactly and yes he is definitely a special case!! | |||
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"So basically you are saying you are a special case. Were the other 17,410,741 who voted Leave not as enlightened as you and therefore racists and bigots? Believing, as you do, that a Leave vote is going to plunge the UK into fascist chaos surely it would've been better to vote Remain and fight the cancer from within the EU?" Again no. I do not think I am a special case, I expect there are many who reluctantly reached the same conclusion as I did and voted the same way for the same reason. And no again, I do not think this vote will result in the UK being plunged into chaos and a fascist state, I think we are already there, just this vote is going to eventually force those in total denial to face the reality of what present day Britain has become before it is irreversible without a bloody war. Of course this is only my opinion and I have little to back it up only the last 8 years of autocratic government by a minority party first with the support of weak and ineffectual LibDems and now with the support of the birther/intelligent design anti abortion political mouthpiece of loyalist terrorists who have overseen the more than doubling of the national debt while cutting taxes for the rich an services to the many in the name of austerity. | |||
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" Erm probably somewhere in the region of about 0.5%-1% depending on how you define "Eastern Europe" So you think there are somewhere between 1 and 10 MILLION Eastern Europeans (depending on how you define "Eastern Europe") in the UK?" how many people do you think live in the Uk ? | |||
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" Erm probably somewhere in the region of about 0.5%-1% depending on how you define "Eastern Europe" So you think there are somewhere between 1 and 10 MILLION Eastern Europeans (depending on how you define "Eastern Europe") in the UK?how many people do you think live in the Uk ?" I know how many people live in the UK (as at last census). The point is do you know how many people live in Eastern Europe? Because the question was not what % of the population of the UK is made up of Eastern Europeans, but what % of Eastern Europeans now live in the UK, and therefore my answer was based on how many Eastern Europeans are there and I would say that figure will be in the 100's of millions. Clearly that is not the case or like it so I put ridiculous numbers (but based on what you consider Eastern Europe as that may include the former German Democratic Republic and all populations up to the Urals and the border with Asia (and that's a lot people!)). | |||
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" Erm probably somewhere in the region of about 0.5%-1% depending on how you define "Eastern Europe" So you think there are somewhere between 1 and 10 MILLION Eastern Europeans (depending on how you define "Eastern Europe") in the UK?" . Somewhere in the middle wouldn't be far off I reckon | |||
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"What short memories we have. How much money did this country spend, how many lives were lost, standing up to tyranny and giving the people of eastern Europe their freedom? Their freedom to choose democracy and membership of the democratic EU. Their freedom is the prize for "winning" the Cold War." The freedom to enjoy a further push into globalism through the medium of European federalism, eh? | |||
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"What short memories we have. How much money did this country spend, how many lives were lost, standing up to tyranny and giving the people of eastern Europe their freedom? Their freedom to choose democracy and membership of the democratic EU. Their freedom is the prize for "winning" the Cold War. The freedom to enjoy a further push into globalism through the medium of European federalism, eh? " Are you suggesting that they were forced to join the EU? | |||
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"What short memories we have. How much money did this country spend, how many lives were lost, standing up to tyranny and giving the people of eastern Europe their freedom? Their freedom to choose democracy and membership of the democratic EU. Their freedom is the prize for "winning" the Cold War. The freedom to enjoy a further push into globalism through the medium of European federalism, eh? Are you suggesting that they were forced to join the EU? " No. I'm suggesting that the "prize" (the continued progression of globalism, and the tightening grip on world populations that corporations gain from it)may be beneficial in the short term, but could ultimately prove to to be a rather hollow victory for the proletariat of the former soviet states. | |||
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"What short memories we have. How much money did this country spend, how many lives were lost, standing up to tyranny and giving the people of eastern Europe their freedom? Their freedom to choose democracy and membership of the democratic EU. Their freedom is the prize for "winning" the Cold War. The freedom to enjoy a further push into globalism through the medium of European federalism, eh? Are you suggesting that they were forced to join the EU? No. I'm suggesting that the "prize" (the continued progression of globalism, and the tightening grip on world populations that corporations gain from it)may be beneficial in the short term, but could ultimately prove to to be a rather hollow victory for the proletariat of the former soviet states. " But they voted for governments who said they would join the EU. That's democracy for you. | |||
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"What short memories we have. How much money did this country spend, how many lives were lost, standing up to tyranny and giving the people of eastern Europe their freedom? Their freedom to choose democracy and membership of the democratic EU. Their freedom is the prize for "winning" the Cold War. The freedom to enjoy a further push into globalism through the medium of European federalism, eh? Are you suggesting that they were forced to join the EU? No. I'm suggesting that the "prize" (the continued progression of globalism, and the tightening grip on world populations that corporations gain from it)may be beneficial in the short term, but could ultimately prove to to be a rather hollow victory for the proletariat of the former soviet states. But they voted for governments who said they would join the EU. That's democracy for you. "What has that got to do with anything? | |||
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" The freedom to enjoy a further push into globalism through the medium of European federalism, eh? " The freedom to choose. They chose to integrate with European democracies. | |||
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"What short memories we have. How much money did this country spend, how many lives were lost, standing up to tyranny and giving the people of eastern Europe their freedom? Their freedom to choose democracy and membership of the democratic EU. Their freedom is the prize for "winning" the Cold War. The freedom to enjoy a further push into globalism through the medium of European federalism, eh? Are you suggesting that they were forced to join the EU? No. I'm suggesting that the "prize" (the continued progression of globalism, and the tightening grip on world populations that corporations gain from it)may be beneficial in the short term, but could ultimately prove to to be a rather hollow victory for the proletariat of the former soviet states. But they voted for governments who said they would join the EU. That's democracy for you.
What has that got to do with anything?
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"What short memories we have. How much money did this country spend, how many lives were lost, standing up to tyranny and giving the people of eastern Europe their freedom? Their freedom to choose democracy and membership of the democratic EU. Their freedom is the prize for "winning" the Cold War. The freedom to enjoy a further push into globalism through the medium of European federalism, eh? Are you suggesting that they were forced to join the EU? No. I'm suggesting that the "prize" (the continued progression of globalism, and the tightening grip on world populations that corporations gain from it)may be beneficial in the short term, but could ultimately prove to to be a rather hollow victory for the proletariat of the former soviet states. But they voted for governments who said they would join the EU. That's democracy for you.
What has that got to do with anything?
That They got what they wanted. "People voted for the current Tory government too. Doesn't mean it's beyond criticism. | |||
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" The freedom to enjoy a further push into globalism through the medium of European federalism, eh? The freedom to choose. They chose to integrate with European democracies. " . Nobody choose that except politicians. It's the equivalent of saying people choose to fuck over West Indian immigrants. There's democracy and there's the illusion of democracy! | |||
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