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"Is it just me or do British people live in denial of there past ? The British empire was great , unless you happen to be from the country's Britain invaded and destroyed , They are fully convinced it's right to try maintain there superiority at all cost , It looks people still would do anything for queen and country all that bollocks , I’m from “ 1 of the countries Britain invaded”. I’m not worried about the empire, I’m worried about the country I live in now. I’ve lived in Britain 19yrs and I count myself lucky. People can find fault no matter where you live, nowhere is perfect. " | |||
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"Is it just me or do British people live in denial of there past ? The British empire was great , unless you happen to be from the country's Britain invaded and destroyed , They are fully convinced it's right to try maintain there superiority at all cost , It looks people still would do anything for queen and country all that bollocks , " . I dunno wasn't all bad, the empire did some great stuff as well as some awful stuff. It's all water under the bridge though, it's been over for a hundred years in reality, they probably held onto it for a bit longer than they should have but historically that's the nature of empires. The next Chinese dynasty is upon us anyhow, we'll see how they fair this time round | |||
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"The next Chinese dynasty is upon us anyhow, we'll see how they fair this time round" It will be like all the previous ones. It will allow some to trade and interact with the 'devils' and gain surface wealth but they will never be allowed real power, and now that the new dynasty is fully established the bureaucrats will again get down to the business of running the country as an efficient business. | |||
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"The next Chinese dynasty is upon us anyhow, we'll see how they fair this time round It will be like all the previous ones. It will allow some to trade and interact with the 'devils' and gain surface wealth but they will never be allowed real power, and now that the new dynasty is fully established the bureaucrats will again get down to the business of running the country as an efficient business." . Ooh they've been around the block a few times that's for sure | |||
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"Ooh they've been around the block a few times that's for sure" Funnily enough it was a Chinese guy named 'Wind and Rain' (english name John) who pointed out this reality to me. He was studying English and Business in London before moving to the USA to study electronics. His take on China was very interesting, his family had been high up in the Nationalist hierarchy but had been captured in civil war. The had then been reeducated by the Red Army and been purged a second time in the 'cultural revolution'. They still lived in Nan Ping and would never be allowed leave there except to travel abroad in service of China. He was here with his girlfriend (who he was eventually going to marry) who had same background and 2 or 3 others. But they also had their minder who was from a party family sent to make sure they did not misbehave. It was funny because he explained that although this other guy was there to spy on them and report back to the party by his being in the UK regardless of what he did he also was infected and would never get to a position of power nor would any of his family, and John and his friends did everything they could to get as many party family members to the UK as possible. They seemed to think it was a great game. Screw their old enemies lives by making them rich. Strange people the Chinese. | |||
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"I have to be honest and say I think the British Empire did more good than harm. The problem the UK still has (in my opinion) seems to be when it comes to leaving go. Most of the time it is a Tory government that is forced to hand over power and Tories seem unable to let anything go free without first doing as much damage as they can before reliquenching control. Unfortunately it is the last acts of empire in any area that are remembered by those who gain their independence, and it takes many generations for those memories to fade and become part of the sum total of the history of wherever. Again just my opinion, nothing more." I'd have to disagree. Millions of people died in India alone in famine driven by the economics of the Raj. We probably killed just as many ensuring that China continued to buy opium. The development of huge parts of the world were retarded by making them nothing but resource centres for the UK and markets to sell goods back to. An alien culture and social norms were imposed all over the world. Compliant workforces were transplanted all over the world and then abandoned. Even worse, on leaving, artificial borders were created leading directly to future conflicts that have lasted a generation. Have there been some benefits? Sure, but they weren't deliberate. That said, anybody thinks the best of themselves and nobody should have to answer for the actions of their ancestors. I do agree with the OP that Empire and victories in the two world wars (neither of which were won alone) have left many people in the UK with a belief in their greatness. The reality is that every country believes in how special they are. However, this generation of Britons and the previous one have very little evidence to back this up. We really are no better, or worse, than anyone else. The distinction that we have are that we are economically and technologically more advanced due to having acquired wealth from everywhere else a long, long time ago. | |||
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"I'd have to disagree. Millions of people died in India alone in famine driven by the economics of the Raj. We probably killed just as many ensuring that China continued to buy opium. The development of huge parts of the world were retarded by making them nothing but resource centres for the UK and markets to sell goods back to. An alien culture and social norms were imposed all over the world. Compliant workforces were transplanted all over the world and then abandoned. Even worse, on leaving, artificial borders were created leading directly to future conflicts that have lasted a generation. Have there been some benefits? Sure, but they weren't deliberate. That said, anybody thinks the best of themselves and nobody should have to answer for the actions of their ancestors. I do agree with the OP that Empire and victories in the two world wars (neither of which were won alone) have left many people in the UK with a belief in their greatness. The reality is that every country believes in how special they are. However, this generation of Britons and the previous one have very little evidence to back this up. We really are no better, or worse, than anyone else. The distinction that we have are that we are economically and technologically more advanced due to having acquired wealth from everywhere else a long, long time ago." I would counter that you blame the Crown for the acts of the East India Company. Further I believe that if you check the history you will find that the Crown became involved in India to stop the excesses of the East India Company. I know that many do not differentiate between the historical unregulated British capitalism and the British State because over the last 40 years the two have become so intertwined. I think you may also find that it was unregulated 'private enterprise' that also caused the Opium Wars and that the British State only became involved because it was backed into a corner where it had to defend 'British Interests'. | |||
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"I'd have to disagree. Millions of people died in India alone in famine driven by the economics of the Raj. We probably killed just as many ensuring that China continued to buy opium. The development of huge parts of the world were retarded by making them nothing but resource centres for the UK and markets to sell goods back to. An alien culture and social norms were imposed all over the world. Compliant workforces were transplanted all over the world and then abandoned. Even worse, on leaving, artificial borders were created leading directly to future conflicts that have lasted a generation. Have there been some benefits? Sure, but they weren't deliberate. That said, anybody thinks the best of themselves and nobody should have to answer for the actions of their ancestors. I do agree with the OP that Empire and victories in the two world wars (neither of which were won alone) have left many people in the UK with a belief in their greatness. The reality is that every country believes in how special they are. However, this generation of Britons and the previous one have very little evidence to back this up. We really are no better, or worse, than anyone else. The distinction that we have are that we are economically and technologically more advanced due to having acquired wealth from everywhere else a long, long time ago. I would counter that you blame the Crown for the acts of the East India Company. Further I believe that if you check the history you will find that the Crown became involved in India to stop the excesses of the East India Company. I know that many do not differentiate between the historical unregulated British capitalism and the British State because over the last 40 years the two have become so intertwined. I think you may also find that it was unregulated 'private enterprise' that also caused the Opium Wars and that the British State only became involved because it was backed into a corner where it had to defend 'British Interests'." Not really concerned about the Crown. Empire. The fact that ours was an unregulated capitalist one makes no odds. | |||
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"When you talk about Indian , In 1943 over 12 million natives starved as Briton exports millions of tonnes of grain , diverting foot to feed the army , Winston Churchill who most British people think was a great leader , Said "the famine was there (Indians) own fault cause they breed like rabbits" , So while Britain caused the starvation of 12 million plus Indians and it's basically forgot about , The Germans killed 6 million and it will never be forgotten !! " I thought it was 2 million. Still a huge number. Not deliberate, but certainly incompetent. That rather feeds into the winning wars narrative. Plucky Britain did not do it alone and it's not like the rest of the empire had a choice or didn't also make huge sacrifices. Counter-factual discussions are always difficult because the reality is that it's impossible to know where we'd be if things had worked out differently. However, let's not try to polish the turd too highly. | |||
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"Is it just me or do British people live in denial of there past ? The British empire was great , unless you happen to be from the country's Britain invaded and destroyed , They are fully convinced it's right to try maintain there superiority at all cost , It looks people still would do anything for queen and country all that bollocks , " I prefer to live in the future, not the past. Every country has pride in their achievements , not just the UK. By joining a UK based site such as this, you appear to have concluded that this site is superior to the Irish equivalent one. Every country has their strengths and weaknesses. Many countries were extremely greatfull to the help which they received from the UK. | |||
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"Is it just me or do British people live in denial of there past ? The British empire was great , unless you happen to be from the country's Britain invaded and destroyed , They are fully convinced it's right to try maintain there superiority at all cost , It looks people still would do anything for queen and country all that bollocks , I prefer to live in the future, not the past. Every country has pride in their achievements , not just the UK. By joining a UK based site such as this, you appear to have concluded that this site is superior to the Irish equivalent one. Every country has their strengths and weaknesses. Many countries were extremely greatfull to the help which they received from the UK." Go on. I'll bite. Which ones are extremely grateful? | |||
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"Is it just me or do British people live in denial of there past ? The British empire was great , unless you happen to be from the country's Britain invaded and destroyed , They are fully convinced it's right to try maintain there superiority at all cost , It looks people still would do anything for queen and country all that bollocks , I prefer to live in the future, not the past. Every country has pride in their achievements , not just the UK. By joining a UK based site such as this, you appear to have concluded that this site is superior to the Irish equivalent one. Every country has their strengths and weaknesses. Many countries were extremely greatfull to the help which they received from the UK." And bringing this thread upto date, the UK now has a permanent presence in the Gulf. It's newest Royal Navy base, HMS Juffair, has opened at Mina in Bahrain. Funded entirely by the Bahrainis, this facility enables the UK to help police this turbulent region, and negate the threat from Iran. | |||
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"Is it just me or do British people live in denial of there past ? The British empire was great , unless you happen to be from the country's Britain invaded and destroyed , They are fully convinced it's right to try maintain there superiority at all cost , It looks people still would do anything for queen and country all that bollocks , I prefer to live in the future, not the past. Every country has pride in their achievements , not just the UK. By joining a UK based site such as this, you appear to have concluded that this site is superior to the Irish equivalent one. Every country has their strengths and weaknesses. Many countries were extremely greatfull to the help which they received from the UK. And bringing this thread upto date, the UK now has a permanent presence in the Gulf. It's newest Royal Navy base, HMS Juffair, has opened at Mina in Bahrain. Funded entirely by the Bahrainis, this facility enables the UK to help police this turbulent region, and negate the threat from Iran." Bahrain has been under the rule of the same country for years. Not under direct rule from the British. They're happy. The people not so much. Remember the protests? | |||
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"Is it just me or do British people live in denial of there past ? The British empire was great , unless you happen to be from the country's Britain invaded and destroyed , They are fully convinced it's right to try maintain there superiority at all cost , It looks people still would do anything for queen and country all that bollocks , I prefer to live in the future, not the past. Every country has pride in their achievements , not just the UK. By joining a UK based site such as this, you appear to have concluded that this site is superior to the Irish equivalent one. Every country has their strengths and weaknesses. Many countries were extremely greatfull to the help which they received from the UK. And bringing this thread upto date, the UK now has a permanent presence in the Gulf. It's newest Royal Navy base, HMS Juffair, has opened at Mina in Bahrain. Funded entirely by the Bahrainis, this facility enables the UK to help police this turbulent region, and negate the threat from Iran. Bahrain has been under the rule of the same country for years. Not under direct rule from the British. They're happy. The people not so much. Remember the protests?" there are a lot of countries living in denial my friend even the Republic of Ireland | |||
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"When you talk about Indian , In 1943 over 12 million natives starved as Briton exports millions of tonnes of grain , diverting foot to feed the army , Winston Churchill who most British people think was a great leader , Said "the famine was there (Indians) own fault cause they breed like rabbits" , So while Britain caused the starvation of 12 million plus Indians and it's basically forgot about , The Germans killed 6 million and it will never be forgotten !! " never heard if this before ? Hope it isn't true ? | |||
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"When you talk about Indian , In 1943 over 12 million natives starved as Briton exports millions of tonnes of grain , diverting foot to feed the army , Winston Churchill who most British people think was a great leader , Said "the famine was there (Indians) own fault cause they breed like rabbits" , So while Britain caused the starvation of 12 million plus Indians and it's basically forgot about , The Germans killed 6 million and it will never be forgotten !! never heard if this before ? Hope it isn't true ?" Google this Not his finest hour: The dark side of Winston Churchill | |||
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"When you talk about Indian , In 1943 over 12 million natives starved as Briton exports millions of tonnes of grain , diverting foot to feed the army , Winston Churchill who most British people think was a great leader , Said "the famine was there (Indians) own fault cause they breed like rabbits" , So while Britain caused the starvation of 12 million plus Indians and it's basically forgot about , The Germans killed 6 million and it will never be forgotten !! never heard if this before ? Hope it isn't true ? Google this Not his finest hour: The dark side of Winston Churchill" It's interesting, the most blindly pro-Churchill groups seem to be the baby boomers, who didn't fight. However, there was a "cold war" going on at the time, which presumably meant that they were more influenced by jingoistic pro-war films and so on. Both sets of my grandparents (who were the WW2 generation) despised Churchill, and that wasn't an uncommon view in the industrial areas of the UK. | |||
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"When you talk about Indian , In 1943 over 12 million natives starved as Briton exports millions of tonnes of grain , diverting foot to feed the army , Winston Churchill who most British people think was a great leader , Said "the famine was there (Indians) own fault cause they breed like rabbits" , So while Britain caused the starvation of 12 million plus Indians and it's basically forgot about , The Germans killed 6 million and it will never be forgotten !! never heard if this before ? Hope it isn't true ? Google this Not his finest hour: The dark side of Winston Churchill It's interesting, the most blindly pro-Churchill groups seem to be the baby boomers, who didn't fight. However, there was a "cold war" going on at the time, which presumably meant that they were more influenced by jingoistic pro-war films and so on. Both sets of my grandparents (who were the WW2 generation) despised Churchill, and that wasn't an uncommon view in the industrial areas of the UK. " He was a product of his time so I don't attempt to judge him otherwise. He made some pretty ruthless and extremely difficult decisions which worked out to the benefit of humanity at large. I guess that still makes him a hero even to this child of former imperial immigrants. Flawed as all heroes are. However, as with all things, you have to acknowledge and learn from both aspects. Denial of either is wilful ignorance. | |||
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"When you talk about Indian , In 1943 over 12 million natives starved as Briton exports millions of tonnes of grain , diverting foot to feed the army , Winston Churchill who most British people think was a great leader , Said "the famine was there (Indians) own fault cause they breed like rabbits" , So while Britain caused the starvation of 12 million plus Indians and it's basically forgot about , The Germans killed 6 million and it will never be forgotten !! never heard if this before ? Hope it isn't true ? Google this Not his finest hour: The dark side of Winston Churchill It's interesting, the most blindly pro-Churchill groups seem to be the baby boomers, who didn't fight. However, there was a "cold war" going on at the time, which presumably meant that they were more influenced by jingoistic pro-war films and so on. Both sets of my grandparents (who were the WW2 generation) despised Churchill, and that wasn't an uncommon view in the industrial areas of the UK. He was a product of his time so I don't attempt to judge him otherwise. He made some pretty ruthless and extremely difficult decisions which worked out to the benefit of humanity at large. I guess that still makes him a hero even to this child of former imperial immigrants. Flawed as all heroes are. However, as with all things, you have to acknowledge and learn from both aspects. Denial of either is wilful ignorance." I think, for them, it was his willingness to turn the machine guns on his own citizens during the general strike. It wasn't just foreigners he held in contempt. | |||
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"It looks people still would do anything for queen and country all that bollocks , " To be honest, Queen and Country is the best thing there is about this country. We have a apolitical head of state to which Her Majesty's Regular Armed Forces swear allegiance to. And if for no other reason than that means we have an ultimate defence against any political party sizing power and turning the country into a dictatorship. And that is worth so much! | |||
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"OP why you concerning yourself about the British??" Because we still occupy 6 counties of his country? | |||
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"OP why you concerning yourself about the British??" Why not? I'm concerned about the USA, China, Russia, Turkey, the rest of the EU and anywhere else that make decisions that effect global economic and military stability. We don't actually have that much influence on global events any more and are surrendering much of what we do have. The UK has a big influence on Ireland's future in the same way. | |||
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"Excitement.I do wonder why you need to worry about how the British feel about there country....Oh and your victim mentality is not attractive and your bile distasteful "''How the British feel about there country'' Milli when was Britain a country ? Thats piss poor that unionists clearly dont know the difference that Britain is an island not a country lmao | |||
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"Excitement.I do wonder why you need to worry about how the British feel about there country....Oh and your victim mentality is not attractive and your bile distasteful "What's distasteful ? Have I said something that's not true ??? Or am I right by saying that Britain has a tendency of sweeping There darker days under the mat, and if any one lifts that mat the first reaction is to stamp it back down , cover it over and pretend it didn't happen , Britain is leaving the eu and talking about trade deals with former colonies , the very ones that have history of being oppressed by rule , they won't be in a rush to do any favors now every trade deal will be more beneficial to who ever England deals with than it will be to England , | |||
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"Excitement.I do wonder why you need to worry about how the British feel about there country....Oh and your victim mentality is not attractive and your bile distasteful
''How the British feel about there country''
Milli when was Britain a country ? Thats piss poor that unionists clearly dont know the difference that Britain is an island not a country lmao"If you actually read & understood what they actually typed you'd realise they didn't actually say Britain was a country. | |||
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"Excitement.I do wonder why you need to worry about how the British feel about there country....Oh and your victim mentality is not attractive and your bile distasteful
What's distasteful ? Have I said something that's not true ???
Or am I right by saying that Britain has a tendency of sweeping
There darker days under the mat, and if any one lifts that mat the first reaction is to stamp it back down , cover it over and pretend it didn't happen ,
Britain is leaving the eu and talking about trade deals with former colonies , the very ones that have history of being oppressed by rule , they won't be in a rush to do any favors now every trade deal will be more beneficial to who ever England deals with than it will be to England , "The Commonwealth doesn't particularly wish the UK ill, but it also Will do it no favours. The Indians call the "Indian Mutiny" the " First War of Independence". There are Kenyans alive today castrated by the British. Both World Wars were fought by the British Empire. There was no "plucky little Britain". The Commonwealth knows it although we seem to have forgotten. We could just as easily have used for peace or even better joined Hitler. The USA is very aware that they bailed us out the second time. Regan also surreptitiously continued to supply us armaments against the will of Congress so that we could prosecute the Falklands campaign. Do we seriously deserve a permanent seat on the security council? Let's step back a bit further. Waterloo involved no small number of Prussians. We have the British throne to the Dutch once. They actually invaded but we didn't put up a fight because it was a "Glorious Revolution". The Armada was sunk by the weather not the British navy. Did Britain and it's people and it's armed forces suffer greatly and do great things? Of course it did. Did it also do a lot of things for the wrong reasons and cause great suffering? Of course it did. Every single country paints itself as the hero. Only Germany (the less racist half) and Japan have ever had to come to terms with really, really being the bad guy. That's only because there are photographs. Some people still try to deny that. If you don't learn from history then today and tomorrow are always going to be a disappointment. | |||
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