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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So the vision after brexit is free to make our own deals anywhere in the world - global Britain the sky is the limit?

But here we have De La Rue appealing against a decision that's gone against them! It's o.k. for them to win business in the world but not lose any in their patch.

Then U.S. slaps tariffs on China - who respond with the same on the U.S. - that's not fair either? The WTO fear the complete trading system could collapse as a result - so where does that leave Britain's global challenge?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Fucked.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The UK may have renegotiated re-entry to the EU, before they've even negotiated a trade deal anywhere else. The UK has limited resources to go out into the world and do anything.

Look at how long it's taken for the few bits of agreement with the EU on brexit, how little has been achieved!

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Except that the world will want to do trade deals with us, because that is how business is done. Australia are talking to us about selling their meat right now. We are in the driving seat over that one, and David Davis is not negotiating on our behalf, luckily!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think it's more "cake and eat it - as long as we are eating it".

If we don't allow foreign companies to bid for UK business then how can we expect to get business around the world? Not going to work - as Trump is finding in his tariff was.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Trump's tariff will work. Stop the Chinese dumping artificially cheap steel on the world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Except that the world will want to do trade deals with us, because that is how business is done. Australia are talking to us about selling their meat right now. We are in the driving seat over that one, and David Davis is not negotiating on our behalf, luckily!"

So the UK awarding the passport to a foreign manufacturer - saving over £100m and on a like for like basis - isn't that good business?

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"The UK may have renegotiated re-entry to the EU, before they've even negotiated a trade deal anywhere else. The UK has limited resources to go out into the world and do anything.

Look at how long it's taken for the few bits of agreement with the EU on brexit, how little has been achieved!"

Few bits of agreement?????

A table was shown on a large screen at a recent press conference with David Davis and Michel Barnier, all agreed areas were shown in green and bits yet to be agreed left in White. The slide on the screen showed (and this was widely reported in the news media) that 75% of what needs to be agreed between the UK and the EU has already been agreed. On that basis I'd say a hell of a lot has been agreed since article 50 was triggered!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Australian officials recently said they hope to be signing a trade deal with the UK on Brexit day number 1. Now David Davis and the UK have negotiated the concession from the EU that we can negotiate our own trade deals during the Brexit transition period both the UK and Australia want to be able to sign on the dotted line for a trade deal the day after the transition period ends. While David Davis is dealing with the EU it will be international trade secretary Liam Fox dealing with Australia. Many other countries are also queueing up to do trade deals with the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering."

Why a poor example? If your wanting to be a global player, you can't have protectionism in your home market otherwise you get what you give. Foreign markets close.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering.

Why a poor example? If your wanting to be a global player, you can't have protectionism in your home market otherwise you get what you give. Foreign markets close."

It's a poor example because the new blue passports are symbolic of our independence after leaving the EU and therefore there is an emotional aspect attached to the new blue passports. If it was a contract over nuts and bolts then no one would give a shit but the blue passports are highly symbolic of our leaving the EU and on that basis should be made in the UK by a British company. A Daily Mail petition about this has already got over 250,000 signatures and the government are now putting it under review.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

But how can the Daily Mail get round EU competition rules?

And are we really going to be ripped off to the tune of £100 million?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Except we cannot import the bulk of Aussie meat because of excessive antibiotic and steroid use in their animal husbandry.

We can import their limited organic produce, but most of that goes internally.

I don't think the British people voted for import standards to be lowered in order to make a brexit ideology work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trump's tariff will work. Stop the Chinese dumping artificially cheap steel on the world."

Hey remember when the EU tried to do the same thing yet the bulk of Tory MEP's vetoed it...

Funny that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trump's tariff will work. Stop the Chinese dumping artificially cheap steel on the world."

Hey remember when the EU tried to do the same thing yet the bulk of Tory MEP's vetoed it...

Funny that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering.

Why a poor example? If your wanting to be a global player, you can't have protectionism in your home market otherwise you get what you give. Foreign markets close.

Pal, it doesn't matter, the free market is the free market.

If you're in it and not in a 'club', then you have to be prepared to fuck your emotion and sentiment and be ruthless. It's about money and numbers in spreadsheets and data bases. If you cannot see the world of trade through that lense with a filter or legal logistics, then you should not be wanting to go shark diving without a cage.

Care to find an 'emotive symbolic' issue which intertwines with finance, and business where a non-trade club member could be protectionist for me?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Except we cannot import the bulk of Aussie meat because of excessive antibiotic and steroid use in their animal husbandry.

We can import their limited organic produce, but most of that goes internally.

I don't think the British people voted for import standards to be lowered in order to make a brexit ideology work."

I have limited knowledge of Aussie agriculture but isn't beeef, sheep etc mostly ranched?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trump's tariff will work. Stop the Chinese dumping artificially cheap steel on the world."

Last US initiated trade war was a big contributing factor for The Great Depression.

Trade tariffs may save a few jobs in the short run "votes" but end up costing the economy as a whole big time.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering.

Why a poor example? If your wanting to be a global player, you can't have protectionism in your home market otherwise you get what you give. Foreign markets close.

Pal, it doesn't matter, the free market is the free market.

Care to find an 'emotive symbolic' issue which intertwines with finance, and business where a non-trade club member could be protectionist for me?"

It's usually the tories who are ruthlessly free market and it's this Tory government who have given the contract to a foreign company.

The Labour party on the other hand have said they want the British firm to get the contract for the new blue passports.

You usually support Labour's point of view on here but nice to see you agree with the Tories for a change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering.

Why a poor example? If your wanting to be a global player, you can't have protectionism in your home market otherwise you get what you give. Foreign markets close.

Pal, it doesn't matter, the free market is the free market.

Care to find an 'emotive symbolic' issue which intertwines with finance, and business where a non-trade club member could be protectionist for me?

It's usually the tories who are ruthlessly free market and it's this Tory government who have given the contract to a foreign company.

The Labour party on the other hand have said they want the British firm to get the contract for the new blue passports.

You usually support Labour's point of view on here but nice to see you agree with the Tories for a change. "

I'm not actually agreeing with them.

You simply state that WTO regulations would be the only true brexit trade arrangement.

I'm simply pointing out that if we are playing by absolutes you should be honest abi=out what it entails. That means that there is no room for emotive reasoning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Except we cannot import the bulk of Aussie meat because of excessive antibiotic and steroid use in their animal husbandry.

We can import their limited organic produce, but most of that goes internally.

I don't think the British people voted for import standards to be lowered in order to make a brexit ideology work.

I have limited knowledge of Aussie agriculture but isn't beeef, sheep etc mostly ranched?"

I believe it still is, however studies on Aussie livestock meat show markers of steroid use and antibiotic resistance in most samples provided under non-organic labels.

Somehow, they are being administered, and ranched does not mean organic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Except we cannot import the bulk of Aussie meat because of excessive antibiotic and steroid use in their animal husbandry.

We can import their limited organic produce, but most of that goes internally.

I don't think the British people voted for import standards to be lowered in order to make a brexit ideology work.

I have limited knowledge of Aussie agriculture but isn't beeef, sheep etc mostly ranched?"

I believe it still is, however studies on Aussie livestock meat show markers of steroid use and antibiotic resistance in most samples provided under non-organic labels.

Somehow, they are being administered, and ranched does not mean organic.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Trump's tariff will work. Stop the Chinese dumping artificially cheap steel on the world.

Last US initiated trade war was a big contributing factor for The Great Depression.

Trade tariffs may save a few jobs in the short run "votes" but end up costing the economy as a whole big time."

This little spat with tariffs between China and USA over steel is nothing compared to what is brewing up over China's new alternative to the petro-dollar,...The petro-Yuan.

Google the Petro Yuan and see what's been happening over the last few days. China has started trading in crude oil with the Petro yuan and this poses a serious risk to the Petro dollar.

Colonel Gaddafi was the last guy who tried to start up a rival to the Petro dollar and look what happened to him.

Looks like China may already have Russia, North Korea and Iran on board to dump the Petro dollar and start trading in Petro yuan instead. From what I've looked at online other countries like Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Turkey could also follow suit and start trading Petro yuan instead of Petro dollars. Real question is are the banking cartel families who control the world's wealth like the Rockerfellers and the Rothschilds going to stand for it? Much of the American deep state is controlled by them and people like Clinton, Bush and Obama were their puppets, I'm not sure if Trump is in their pocket but we may soon find out.

The whole thing is a powder keg and with the USA and North Korea already at each others throats and now a trade war over steel between USA and China it doesn't look good.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Of course the vultures are circling Brexit Britain. Its telling that people are talking about the Aussies selling meat to the UK and not what the UK will get out of it.

Getting Aussie meat would mean lowering food standards for the UK and a massive new competitor for British farmers, not exactly something to be celebrating unless youre an Aussie farmer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course the vultures are circling Brexit Britain. Its telling that people are talking about the Aussies selling meat to the UK and not what the UK will get out of it.

Getting Aussie meat would mean lowering food standards for the UK and a massive new competitor for British farmers, not exactly something to be celebrating unless youre an Aussie farmer."

Gonna paraphrase Peter Hitchens again:

"Trade is easy, everyone wants to do it. What's hard and worrying is whether we have the capacity to make it work for us."

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"Real question is are the banking cartel families who control the world's wealth like the Rockerfellers and the Rothschilds going to stand for it? Much of the American deep state is controlled by them "

I think you'd benefit from getting out of that basement and getting some sunshine

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If the UK back track on the passport contract you can kiss goodbye to any deals as we will see protectionism from other countries to our companies - slippery slope - but if 250,000 mail readers want it that's ok. Business is a completely different animal and we will soon see what sort of deals Fox strikes. It doesn't look well when the UK US deal has got to be done in secret!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering."

No it does not. Many EU countries like France, only allow their passports to be made within their own borders by companies that are registered nationally. Yet another BREXIT lie/myth.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering.

No it does not. Many EU countries like France, only allow their passports to be made within their own borders by companies that are registered nationally. Yet another BREXIT lie/myth."

They get away with it by invoking their National Security clause.

Like they did when Pepsi tried to take over Danone years ago!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't trust Liam Fox. His past misdemeanors and his links with the dark money network (Atlantic Bridge & Alec) make him an ideal candidate to deliver what is best for his corporate paymasters but not best for Britain.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering.

No it does not. Many EU countries like France, only allow their passports to be made within their own borders by companies that are registered nationally. Yet another BREXIT lie/myth.

They get away with it by invoking their National Security clause.

Like they did when Pepsi tried to take over Danone years ago! "

So based on that fact (if it's true), then why didn't the UK do it? It's all about money rather than national interest - just like 2004 freedom of movement - most countries enforced the legislation stopping eastern Europeans flooding in - we didn't! Stupid or what?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering.

No it does not. Many EU countries like France, only allow their passports to be made within their own borders by companies that are registered nationally. Yet another BREXIT lie/myth.

They get away with it by invoking their National Security clause.

Like they did when Pepsi tried to take over Danone years ago!

To be fair, only the documentation is to be printed abroad. All the personal details etc will be encrypted onto the passports in the UK.

I believe that this will lead to some jobs being created in Heywood near Bury.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Google the Petro Yuan and see what's been happening over the last few days. China has started trading in crude oil with the Petro yuan and this poses a serious risk to the Petro dollar. "

BRICS is an acronym for Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.

It is a bloc of countries, plus some others, that have together to create a new economic relationship. One of their objectives is to isolate the $ as the international reserve currency and replace with the Chinese currency.

A lot of what you and I might call geopolitics is a war of currency and global hegemony.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Poor example. We had to. We are still in the EU at the moment, and the EU requires competitive tendering.

No it does not. Many EU countries like France, only allow their passports to be made within their own borders by companies that are registered nationally. Yet another BREXIT lie/myth.

They get away with it by invoking their National Security clause.

Like they did when Pepsi tried to take over Danone years ago!

To be fair, only the documentation is to be printed abroad. All the personal details etc will be encrypted onto the passports in the UK.

I believe that this will lead to some jobs being created in Heywood near Bury."

Yes the winning company has a presence in the UK and therefore UK job's in their establishment win. All in all it's just sour grapes. DLR got greedy plain and simple and lost.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I wouldn't trust Liam Fox. His past misdemeanors and his links with the dark money network (Atlantic Bridge & Alec) make him an ideal candidate to deliver what is best for his corporate paymasters but not best for Britain."

Like many conservatives, he's self-interested and seemingly low on any scruples. This government is little different from those who would raid and seek to gain from a lame-arse post brexit country.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

When it comes to politicians you can't trust any of them. They line their own pockets, look after their family and chums, and then maybe the country. Some rare exceptions may exist.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Of course the vultures are circling Brexit Britain. Its telling that people are talking about the Aussies selling meat to the UK and not what the UK will get out of it.

Getting Aussie meat would mean lowering food standards for the UK and a massive new competitor for British farmers, not exactly something to be celebrating unless youre an Aussie farmer."

And to be frank, on an ecological basis, why would I want meat that has been flown halfway across the globe when there is much closer sources?

-Matt

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

See trade deals are not looking good with other countries. Read today what India are looking for in a trade deal more from india to come here not got a problem with and just been reading about what the US want. Want to scrap Animal welfare, and a list as long as your Arm. We should stick with the EU as it is. What I voted for.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

After brexit will only eat vegetarian when I go back to UK!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course the vultures are circling Brexit Britain. Its telling that people are talking about the Aussies selling meat to the UK and not what the UK will get out of it.

Getting Aussie meat would mean lowering food standards for the UK and a massive new competitor for British farmers, not exactly something to be celebrating unless youre an Aussie farmer.

And to be frank, on an ecological basis, why would I want meat that has been flown halfway across the globe when there is much closer sources?

-Matt"

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the food 'apocalypse' has started already...in the supermarket this morning they had lamb from New Zealand, grapes from Peru and green beans from Kenya.

Time to get on the list for an allotment ASAP!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

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