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"Well she seemed awful at the time but compared to the recent elected bunch of cut throats killers elected in south Africa she seems like mother Theresa now" She was heard backing the practice of "necklacing" - putting burning tyres around suspected informants' necks - and was accused of conducting a virtual reign of terror in parts of Soweto by other members of the ANC in the late 1980s, must be some "Mother Theresa" | |||
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"I life lived well and she played her part in bringing apartheid to an end. "It's always funny how the jump from freedom fighter to thief and murderer is always very quick in these newly liberated countries!!!! | |||
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"God will Judge." I hope that Stompie Seipei judges her, using the same justice that was used on him. | |||
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"Well she seemed awful at the time but compared to the recent elected bunch of cut throats killers elected in south Africa she seems like mother Theresa now She was heard backing the practice of "necklacing" - putting burning tyres around suspected informants' necks - and was accused of conducting a virtual reign of terror in parts of Soweto by other members of the ANC in the late 1980s, must be some "Mother Theresa"" . Hidden racism is far better than out and out kill the fucking whites don't you know?. Of course white people have been asking for it for decades so it's all fine!. Donald trump wants a ban on some Muslim countries and the world comes to an end but the president of south Africa literally does a dance singing kill the white person and it doesn't even make the BBC website. I'm not condoning either action but wtf. It's like we've lost all sense of what's right and wrong | |||
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"But Dave, come on now. Look at South Africa since the ANC have been in charge. It's stable, there is no corruption. It is wealthy and there are no plans to forcibly take land from white people...... " . It's Zimbabwe in five years!. Thank fuck they gave up the nuclear weapons is all I've got to say | |||
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"It's a shame, because it could be a great country, has great resources, but as you say, it's just Zambia/Zimbabwe, and the rest of most of Africa. " . It's what happens when good people stop calling out bad things for fear of being racist | |||
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"I life lived well and she played her part in bringing apartheid to an end.
It's always funny how the jump from freedom fighter to thief and murderer is always very quick in these newly liberated countries!!!! "Africans had a great example to follow.Some copied the brutality of their previous masters others rose above it.I am surprised any white people were allowed to stay after apartheid ended.I guess Mandela persuaded the abused to forgive the cruelty and murderous inhumanity of the white south Africans. | |||
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"I life lived well and she played her part in bringing apartheid to an end.
It's always funny how the jump from freedom fighter to thief and murderer is always very quick in these newly liberated countries!!!! Africans had a great example to follow.Some copied the brutality of their previous masters others rose above it.I am surprised any white people were allowed to stay after apartheid ended.I guess Mandela persuaded the abused to forgive the cruelty and murderous inhumanity of the white south Africans. "yes; forgive or we necklace you, or some other torture | |||
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"I life lived well and she played her part in bringing apartheid to an end.
It's always funny how the jump from freedom fighter to thief and murderer is always very quick in these newly liberated countries!!!! Africans had a great example to follow.Some copied the brutality of their previous masters others rose above it.I am surprised any white people were allowed to stay after apartheid ended.I guess Mandela persuaded the abused to forgive the cruelty and murderous inhumanity of the white south Africans. "It doesn't seem to matter if you are black or white, they rob and murder indiscriminately!  | |||
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"Nelson ...terrorist ..winnie a killer ...how we love them ...i will never know " They both had massive contributions towards good ends. They both suffered and gave a lot, for the benefit of others and not just their race. I don't think I can trust all of the bad things said of Winnie and I mourn her loss. | |||
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"Yep that's what political leaders do of all colours, tell you how better off you'll be when free of apartheid and the oppressors then keep you dangling on the it's all their fault while they plunder everything..... Meanwhile the average black person is now WORSE off than under APARTHEID. I mean it takes a special kind of political genius to make a country worse than when it was under a worldwide embargo. Tanzania made the mistake then Zimbabwe followed it and south Africa now follows the well trodden path of suicidal crazyness" The future is bright for Black South Africans.They just need good leadership .The country is resource rich.That needs to come under state control. | |||
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"Yep that's what political leaders do of all colours, tell you how better off you'll be when free of apartheid and the oppressors then keep you dangling on the it's all their fault while they plunder everything..... Meanwhile the average black person is now WORSE off than under APARTHEID. I mean it takes a special kind of political genius to make a country worse than when it was under a worldwide embargo. Tanzania made the mistake then Zimbabwe followed it and south Africa now follows the well trodden path of suicidal crazyness The future is bright for Black South Africans.They just need good leadership .The country is resource rich.That needs to come under state control. ". Alas I'm not as hopeful as you. In twenty years they seen there life expectancy nose dive, healthcare nosedive, wages, currency... The only thing that hasn't nosedived is crime, there now living in the most crime ridden country in the entire world. I mean that's all pretty bad stuff but I just want you to think about this the average life expectancy for a black person in south Africa has fallen from 71 to 59 and that's the system of apartheid, fucking apartheid Bob, a system designed to keep Black's down ACTUALLY was better than the shit they've got now, they had better healthcare under a fucking system designed to keep them down than they do now!. Johannesburg is 3 months away from running out of water, the first city in the world to literally have no water to drink, never mind bathe or use for work or growing food. Once all the white folks are dead or gone I'm sure everything will be fine obviously!... Coz it's got nothing to do with corruption and everything to do with racist white land owners | |||
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"The water is a problem but it can be solved.The issue of poverty and who owns the capital is a greater problem.Very little has changed since apartheid with regard to land ownership and capital wealth.Of the 90% white land less than 10% is now black farm land. Addressing inequality will change the fortunes of black south Africa and unfortunately Mandela and his view of a rainbow coalition needs to be put to one side as it never bore fruit for the black south African.It made the white south Africans wealthier than under apartheid. "think you should contact them immediately Bob, with your answer to the water problem, because the lack of water is killing thousands, just think, you could be known as "Bob the saviour" with your great water idea . care to share it | |||
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" The south African government is quite capable of paying the land owners for the land and then renting it out to whoever they like, the argument of wether the land will be more productive or not is another question all together" you mean like the 'Radical' Scottish land reform bill | |||
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"I don't think it matters who owns the capital, I really really don't, I think what matters is just and fair laws, corruption is tackled and crime is fought and government is transparent. Black billionaires are no more likely to share out there wealth as white billionaires, the black and white myth remains only to cover up the failures of those who have power. I don't like taking things without compensation, it undermines law and order. The south African government is quite capable of paying the land owners for the land and then renting it out to whoever they like, the argument of wether the land will be more productive or not is another question all together" Of course it matters who owns the capital.If all the wealth is held by the minority white population the majority black population has a legitimate grievance.Its been almost 25 years since apartheid and little has been done to address this issue.The solution to just about every problem i have ever seen is always money. | |||
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"I don't think it matters who owns the capital, I really really don't, I think what matters is just and fair laws, corruption is tackled and crime is fought and government is transparent. Black billionaires are no more likely to share out there wealth as white billionaires, the black and white myth remains only to cover up the failures of those who have power. I don't like taking things without compensation, it undermines law and order. The south African government is quite capable of paying the land owners for the land and then renting it out to whoever they like, the argument of wether the land will be more productive or not is another question all together Of course it matters who owns the capital.If all the wealth is held by the minority white population the majority black population has a legitimate grievance.Its been almost 25 years since apartheid and little has been done to address this issue.The solution to just about every problem i have ever seen is always money. "come on Bob, we are waiting for the water solution, care to share | |||
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"I don't think it matters who owns the capital, I really really don't, I think what matters is just and fair laws, corruption is tackled and crime is fought and government is transparent. Black billionaires are no more likely to share out there wealth as white billionaires, the black and white myth remains only to cover up the failures of those who have power. I don't like taking things without compensation, it undermines law and order. The south African government is quite capable of paying the land owners for the land and then renting it out to whoever they like, the argument of wether the land will be more productive or not is another question all together Of course it matters who owns the capital.If all the wealth is held by the minority white population the majority black population has a legitimate grievance.Its been almost 25 years since apartheid and little has been done to address this issue.The solution to just about every problem i have ever seen is always money. ". Can I just point out that there not intending to give land away to black people, the south African state (corrupt as fuck) is going to seize land from owners (white or black but mainly white) and rent it out to whoever pays the rent. Now bearing in mind that there's not many great black farmers who know anything about farming can you guess what's going to happen?. No you don't need to guess just look North to Zimbabwe, yes everybody is going to get poorer and the state gets less income because as yields fall rent will have to fall. This is exactly what happens with identity politics and why so many states push that narrative | |||
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"I don't think it matters who owns the capital, I really really don't, I think what matters is just and fair laws, corruption is tackled and crime is fought and government is transparent. Black billionaires are no more likely to share out there wealth as white billionaires, the black and white myth remains only to cover up the failures of those who have power. I don't like taking things without compensation, it undermines law and order. The south African government is quite capable of paying the land owners for the land and then renting it out to whoever they like, the argument of wether the land will be more productive or not is another question all together Of course it matters who owns the capital.If all the wealth is held by the minority white population the majority black population has a legitimate grievance.Its been almost 25 years since apartheid and little has been done to address this issue.The solution to just about every problem i have ever seen is always money. .
Can I just point out that there not intending to give land away to black people, the south African state (corrupt as fuck) is going to seize land from owners (white or black but mainly white) and rent it out to whoever pays the rent.
Now bearing in mind that there's not many great black farmers who know anything about farming can you guess what's going to happen?.
No you don't need to guess just look North to Zimbabwe, yes everybody is going to get poorer and the state gets less income because as yields fall rent will have to fall.
This is exactly what happens with identity politics and why so many states push that narrative"Well that's all supposition .We can't say what the new president and the ANC will do .Land reform is high on the agenda driven m not sure anyone can say what that looks like .Although i could see China buying some of the best land and offer some investments infrastructure. | |||
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"I don't think it matters who owns the capital, I really really don't, I think what matters is just and fair laws, corruption is tackled and crime is fought and government is transparent. Black billionaires are no more likely to share out there wealth as white billionaires, the black and white myth remains only to cover up the failures of those who have power. I don't like taking things without compensation, it undermines law and order. The south African government is quite capable of paying the land owners for the land and then renting it out to whoever they like, the argument of wether the land will be more productive or not is another question all together Of course it matters who owns the capital.If all the wealth is held by the minority white population the majority black population has a legitimate grievance.Its been almost 25 years since apartheid and little has been done to address this issue.The solution to just about every problem i have ever seen is always money. .
Can I just point out that there not intending to give land away to black people, the south African state (corrupt as fuck) is going to seize land from owners (white or black but mainly white) and rent it out to whoever pays the rent.
Now bearing in mind that there's not many great black farmers who know anything about farming can you guess what's going to happen?.
No you don't need to guess just look North to Zimbabwe, yes everybody is going to get poorer and the state gets less income because as yields fall rent will have to fall.
This is exactly what happens with identity politics and why so many states push that narrative
Well that's all supposition .We can't say what the new president and the ANC will do .Land reform is high on the agenda driven m not sure anyone can say what that looks like .Although i could see China buying some of the best land and offer some investments infrastructure."so; whats the water solution, care to share, or do you wish you never said it now | |||
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"Well she seemed awful at the time but compared to the recent elected bunch of cut throats killers elected in south Africa she seems like mother Theresa now She was heard backing the practice of "necklacing" - putting burning tyres around suspected informants' necks - and was accused of conducting a virtual reign of terror in parts of Soweto by other members of the ANC in the late 1980s, must be some "Mother Theresa"" good people do bad things she and her husband did what needed to be done ....Churchill carpet bombed civilian cities but i dont hear anyone calling him a monster | |||
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"Well she seemed awful at the time but compared to the recent elected bunch of cut throats killers elected in south Africa she seems like mother Theresa now She was heard backing the practice of "necklacing" - putting burning tyres around suspected informants' necks - and was accused of conducting a virtual reign of terror in parts of Soweto by other members of the ANC in the late 1980s, must be some "Mother Theresa" good people do bad things she and her husband did what needed to be done ....Churchill carpet bombed civilian cities but i dont hear anyone calling him a monster " so putting burning tyres over the heads of innocents "needed to be done" please explain why | |||
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"Well she seemed awful at the time but compared to the recent elected bunch of cut throats killers elected in south Africa she seems like mother Theresa now She was heard backing the practice of "necklacing" - putting burning tyres around suspected informants' necks - and was accused of conducting a virtual reign of terror in parts of Soweto by other members of the ANC in the late 1980s, must be some "Mother Theresa" good people do bad things she and her husband did what needed to be done ....Churchill carpet bombed civilian cities but i dont hear anyone calling him a monster " I totally agree with you they both played their part in ending apartheid.There are insidious reasons why some want her to be seen as a monster. | |||
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"Well she seemed awful at the time but compared to the recent elected bunch of cut throats killers elected in south Africa she seems like mother Theresa now She was heard backing the practice of "necklacing" - putting burning tyres around suspected informants' necks - and was accused of conducting a virtual reign of terror in parts of Soweto by other members of the ANC in the late 1980s, must be some "Mother Theresa" good people do bad things she and her husband did what needed to be done ....Churchill carpet bombed civilian cities but i dont hear anyone calling him a monster I totally agree with you they both played their part in ending apartheid.There are insidious reasons why some want her to be seen as a monster." she is a monster and of course a murderer
guess that's okay in your eyes
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"Well she seemed awful at the time but compared to the recent elected bunch of cut throats killers elected in south Africa she seems like mother Theresa now She was heard backing the practice of "necklacing" - putting burning tyres around suspected informants' necks - and was accused of conducting a virtual reign of terror in parts of Soweto by other members of the ANC in the late 1980s, must be some "Mother Theresa" good people do bad things she and her husband did what needed to be done ....Churchill carpet bombed civilian cities but i dont hear anyone calling him a monster so putting burning tyres over the heads of innocents "needed to be done" please explain why" did carpet bombing of innocent civilians needed to be done? | |||
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"Well she seemed awful at the time but compared to the recent elected bunch of cut throats killers elected in south Africa she seems like mother Theresa now She was heard backing the practice of "necklacing" - putting burning tyres around suspected informants' necks - and was accused of conducting a virtual reign of terror in parts of Soweto by other members of the ANC in the late 1980s, must be some "Mother Theresa" good people do bad things she and her husband did what needed to be done ....Churchill carpet bombed civilian cities but i dont hear anyone calling him a monster so putting burning tyres over the heads of innocents "needed to be done" please explain why did carpet bombing of innocent civilians needed to be done?" She did what she felt she had to do and so did Churchill.She was a great women in the anti apartheid movement. | |||
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"Well she seemed awful at the time but compared to the recent elected bunch of cut throats killers elected in south Africa she seems like mother Theresa now She was heard backing the practice of "necklacing" - putting burning tyres around suspected informants' necks - and was accused of conducting a virtual reign of terror in parts of Soweto by other members of the ANC in the late 1980s, must be some "Mother Theresa" good people do bad things she and her husband did what needed to be done ....Churchill carpet bombed civilian cities but i dont hear anyone calling him a monster so putting burning tyres over the heads of innocents "needed to be done" please explain why did carpet bombing of innocent civilians needed to be done?" . Unfortunately, it was a tactical decision in an all out war, in this case it worked well. Although I take it you mean the fire bombing strategy not "carpet bombing". The initial bombing of Berlin was a direct enticement to Hitler who had refused to bomb British cities, of course what he was bombing was British infrastructure and in particular radar stations which were vital to the defence of the UK, the decision was made to enrage the high command and in particular Hitler so much that he would take aircraft away from the vital bombing and bomb London instead which had no real infrastructure needed. The tactic worked extremely well Hitler ordered the reversal despite being told by Hermann goring that the Luftwaffe were only weeks away from crippling the UK's ability to defend itself by air. | |||
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"Hang on a minute... Most of the people she disappeared were black people and it was after apartheid had finished!. The only "war" she was involved in was getting as much power in her own hands as possible" Not so, she was the glue that kept the ANC united in the years between her marriage to Nelson and the end of apartheid. The fact that that part of her legacy is overshadowed by the internecine war she was central to later on is why I say we are all too close to those events to be objective. Think of the Roman Empire and Caesar, I think we can all agree that on balance both were forces of good and progress, however I doubt you would have found anyone who would have agreed with this at the time of the fall of Rome. | |||
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"A million good deeds don't undo murders, two wrongs don't make a right according to me ma "A single death is a tragedy a million deaths are a statistic according to me ma..  | |||
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"This attitude is the way Jacob Zuma gets away with being a corrupt racist murderer" It works here also. | |||
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"A million good deeds don't undo murders, two wrongs don't make a right according to me ma "You do realise that murder is an artificial construct, and by implication you are saying that state sponsored or sanctioned killings are fine and only those that are not state sanctioned are wrong. Just saying... | |||
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"I shouldn't really have used the mother Theresa line either. She was a horrible nasty bitch as well cg " I would imagine for a woman getting to the top of African politics might require you being a bitch sometimes. millions loved others not do much. | |||
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"A million good deeds don't undo murders, two wrongs don't make a right according to me ma
You do realise that murder is an artificial construct, and by implication you are saying that state sponsored or sanctioned killings are fine and only those that are not state sanctioned are wrong.
Just saying...". Ooh sorry I forgot, were all morally free to murder anybody for our own ends providing somebody once did something bad against us or even our parents or our grandparents. Yep seems fair enough | |||
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"Ooh sorry I forgot, were all morally free to murder anybody for our own ends providing somebody once did something bad against us or even our parents or our grandparents. Yep seems fair enough "Your the one who used the word murder, I only pointed out it is an artificial construct. Now if you meant that no killing is justified then say so and we can start another thread where you can justify your position. In the meantime I think you need to take a chill-pill.
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"Ooh sorry I forgot, were all morally free to murder anybody for our own ends providing somebody once did something bad against us or even our parents or our grandparents. Yep seems fair enough
Your the one who used the word murder, I only pointed out it is an artificial construct. Now if you meant that no killing is justified then say so and we can start another thread where you can justify your position.
In the meantime I think you need to take a chill-pill.
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"I ain't got no chill pills but... it's a lovely afternoon for a drink in a beer garden "that will do the trick! Have a glass of real ale for me. | |||
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"I ain't got no chill pills but... it's a lovely afternoon for a drink in a beer garden
that will do the trick!
Have a glass of real ale for me.
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"I ain't got no chill pills but... it's a lovely afternoon for a drink in a beer garden
that will do the trick!
Have a glass of real ale for me.
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Robbies iron maiden. "Enjoy | |||
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"I ain't got no chill pills but... it's a lovely afternoon for a drink in a beer garden
that will do the trick!
Have a glass of real ale for me.
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Robbies iron maiden.
Enjoy". I saw it and thought of you .
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"God will Judge." Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing? | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?" Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! | |||
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"I life lived well and she played her part in bringing apartheid to an end. "
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?" . Tribalism and politics go hand in hand.... In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king and so downwards they go into an eye poking contest. Anyway the good news. Jacob Zuma is finally arrested huzzah | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately!" What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America? | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America?" Will have to check some data and get back to you! | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America? Will have to check some data and get back to you! "So nothing to say but you still feel compelled to say something? Empty vessels... | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America? Will have to check some data and get back to you!
So nothing to say but you still feel compelled to say something?
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America? Will have to check some data and get back to you!
So nothing to say but you still feel compelled to say something?
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America?" . The USA. Transitioned to the closest form of freedom and democracy we've seen almost immediately. Yes we have corruption like everywhere but this is just a typical neo liberal reply when discussing a topic they don't like... Like I was saying originally, it takes a special kind of stupid like the ANC to lower black people's life's in south Africa than apartheid, a system literally designed to keep black people down! | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America?. The USA. Transitioned to the closest form of freedom and democracy we've seen almost immediately. Yes we have corruption like everywhere but this is just a typical neo liberal reply when discussing a topic they don't like... Like I was saying originally, it takes a special kind of stupid like the ANC to lower black people's life's in south Africa than apartheid, a system literally designed to keep black people down!" Dave, the truth hurts unfortunately for some! | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America?. The USA. Transitioned to the closest form of freedom and democracy we've seen almost immediately. Yes we have corruption like everywhere but this is just a typical neo liberal reply when discussing a topic they don't like... Like I was saying originally, it takes a special kind of stupid like the ANC to lower black people's life's in south Africa than apartheid, a system literally designed to keep black people down!" The USA transitioned directly from British parliamentary democracy to a modified version of it. They considered monarchy. There was slavery for a long time. Again, how long did British democracy take to evolve? How long did it take to get to universal suffrage? How long to create a relatively incorruptible bureaucracy? How much money? Yes the ANC are stupid. The electorate is also uneducated. So, again, are you saying that black or coloured people inherently cannot create a functioning democracy? | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America? Will have to check some data and get back to you!
So nothing to say but you still feel compelled to say something?
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It's a free country or are only certain people allowed to speak?
You evidently know the answer to everything, oh no you just think you do! Carry on pontificating!! "Day something constructive then. You essentially just wasted another post adding nothing except an attempt to insult me because you cannot answer splendid questions and have got frustrated at being shown up  | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America?. The USA. Transitioned to the closest form of freedom and democracy we've seen almost immediately. Yes we have corruption like everywhere but this is just a typical neo liberal reply when discussing a topic they don't like... Like I was saying originally, it takes a special kind of stupid like the ANC to lower black people's life's in south Africa than apartheid, a system literally designed to keep black people down!" Come now dave we can't compare the ANC which the rest of the world considered a terrorist organisation right up to the 1980s.To the American war for independence.Thats fucking absurd fella and you know it.The ANC has been in power less than 25 years.How long after he war for independence did the USA become civilised and a bastion fir and fairness.A century or more. | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America?. The USA. Transitioned to the closest form of freedom and democracy we've seen almost immediately. Yes we have corruption like everywhere but this is just a typical neo liberal reply when discussing a topic they don't like... Like I was saying originally, it takes a special kind of stupid like the ANC to lower black people's life's in south Africa than apartheid, a system literally designed to keep black people down! Come now dave we can't compare the ANC which the rest of the world considered a terrorist organisation right up to the 1980s.To the American war for independence.Thats fucking absurd fella and you know it.The ANC has been in power less than 25 years.How long after he war for independence did the USA become civilised and a bastion fir and fairness.A century or more." So the people of South Africa have only got another 75years to wait, that will cheer them up no end! Do you think it acceptable they should have to wait that long while the elite live it up? | |||
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"God will Judge. Some good. Some bad. Do I know enough to hold an opinion? No. I doubt many people commenting do. Fair comment by the OP then, assuming there is a God of course. The rest of the thread has got a bit weird though. Is anyone stating that the country should have remained as an apartheid state? Is anyone stating that black South Africans are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption due to some inherent failing?Winnie Mandela was a convicted thief and involved in murder, enough evidence to hold an opinion on someone I would have thought!!!! They are stating that at present they are completely incapable of creating a functioning state generally free of corruption! This also appears to be the case in most of the other African countries too despite being free from white rule for many years.The facts unfortunately! What revolutionary movements have successfully transitioned into stable government? Are you saying that on-site people cannot create a functioning state free of corruption? If not, what are you saying? How much time have they had to practise democracy? How long did it take for it to become established in the west? Is politics at all corrupt in Europe or America?. The USA. Transitioned to the closest form of freedom and democracy we've seen almost immediately. Yes we have corruption like everywhere but this is just a typical neo liberal reply when discussing a topic they don't like... Like I was saying originally, it takes a special kind of stupid like the ANC to lower black people's life's in south Africa than apartheid, a system literally designed to keep black people down! Come now dave we can't compare the ANC which the rest of the world considered a terrorist organisation right up to the 1980s.To the American war for independence.Thats fucking absurd fella and you know it.The ANC has been in power less than 25 years.How long after he war for independence did the USA become civilised and a bastion fir and fairness.A century or more. So the people of South Africa have only got another 75years to wait, that will cheer them up no end! Do you think it acceptable they should have to wait that long while the elite live it up? "If you want to go fast go alone,if you want to go far go together. African proverb. | |||
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"I'm still waiting for the solution to the water shaortage, you know, the one that all the engineers and other clever people don't have?" Do you even Google...? I guess you need to lead the horses and the ignorant to water and the solution. The only viable, long-term solution to the water crisis is large-scale desalination. . Unless someone has an alternative solution. | |||
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"The country is resource rich.That needs to come under state control. "That sounds like the Mugabe model of economics. | |||
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"The country is resource rich.That needs to come under state control.
That sounds like the Mugabe model of economics. "More like the Norwegian state oil fund that was set up in 96 and is now worth a trillion dollars. | |||
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"I'm still waiting for the solution to the water shaortage, you know, the one that all the engineers and other clever people don't have? Do you even Google...? I guess you need to lead the horses and the ignorant to water and the solution. The only viable, long-term solution to the water crisis is large-scale desalination. . Unless someone has an alternative solution."Simple ! Spread a believable lie that water cab used instead of petrol and also has property's to build a bomb more powerful than an Atomic one ! Hey Presto lots of Water ! ?? | |||
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