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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Electric carmaker Tesla says a vehicle involved in a fatal crash in California was in Autopilot mode, raising further questions about the safety of self-driving technology.

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One of the company's Model X cars crashed into a roadside barrier and caught fire on 23 March.

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Tesla says Autopilot was engaged at the time of the accident involving the driver, 38, who died soon afterwards.

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But they did not say whether the system had detected the concrete barrier

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Tesla's Autopilot system does some of the things a fully autonomous machine can do. It can brake, accelerate and steer by itself under certain conditions, but it is classified as a driver assistance system, is not intended to operate independently and as such the driver is meant to have their hands on the wheel at all times.

In 2016, a Tesla driver was killed in Florida when his car failed to spot a lorry crossing its path.

It led the company to introduce new safety measures, including turning off Autopilot and bringing the car to a halt if the driver lets go of the wheel for too long.

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Federal investigators said last year that Tesla "lacked understanding" of the semi-autonomous Autopilot's limitations

.The accident in California comes at a difficult time for self-driving technology.

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Earlier this month, Uber was forbidden from resuming self-driving tests in the US state of Arizona.

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It followed a fatal crash in the state in which an autonomous vehicle hit a woman who was walking her bike across the road.

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It was thought to be the first time an autonomous car had been involved in a fatal collision with a pedestrian.

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The company suspended all self-driving tests in North America after the accident

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

STOP.

COPYING.

AND.

PASTING.

ARTICLES.

READ THE REPORT.

DIGEST IT.

THEN PUT IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS.

FFS.

To actually reply though, who gives a crap, fatalities are a tragic result of innovation.

How many times did the first versions of combustion engines in cars and trains fuck up massively? Answer. Lots.

Nuclear energy, yep lots of long term casualties.

Oil rigs and associated drilling in dangerous environments. Yep lots of casualties there.

For human beings, a stagnation of technological advancement seems to be either impossible or a death sentence.

People are lost due to advancement, but with each one the casualties are lower.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yup just take a look at the lpg rollout there were a few accounts with that too!!

Also flight! How many died before they finally got that right

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the concept, rather than the actuality, safe though?

I do a lot of long distance driving weekly and often use a cruise control and there's no doubt there's an element of conscious divorce from the reality of the road. How much more with an auto pilot to take all thought abd concentration away?

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

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But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"Is the concept, rather than the actuality, safe though?

I do a lot of long distance driving weekly and often use a cruise control and there's no doubt there's an element of conscious divorce from the reality of the road. How much more with an auto pilot to take all thought abd concentration away?"

It depends if it works.

I have driven cars with the radar cruise control that can even bring the car to a stop and you trust it to a point. It is a good feature, slowing and speeding up as cars move in and out of your lane. You are always checking to make sure it reacts though. Generally it is over-cautious.

Most of the lane keeping/self-steering are quite poor. They don't steer naturally and they are nothing like as good as you are. They all moan about no hands on the wheel, although they still steer for you. The are useful from stopping you inadvertently wandering lanes, providing the road markings are good, but no substitute for you.

Automatic wipers and lights have been out for a long time, and neither are perfect even now, so the autonomous driving needs far more work.

The self-parking - entry and exit from a space is now very good. You can trust that feature.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think the manufacturers have pushed them onto public roads too quickly, as have some state Governers. Such as in Arizona. They all want to be first to market, taking a steal from the competitors. But it's at public cost and I don't see the public applying pressure to get them out quickly. It's just about money and should be slowed down, whilst they build their own roads and test and develop them far more.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic."

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving."

not looking good for them is it;

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving.

not looking good for them is it; "

One problem Tesla doesn't have is a lack of demand for their products.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving.

not looking good for them is it;

One problem Tesla doesn't have is a lack of demand for their products. "

in the U.K. ?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving.

not looking good for them is it;

One problem Tesla doesn't have is a lack of demand for their products.

in the U.K. ? "

I haven't heard of any lack of interest from the UK market, I saw a Model X in my local supermarket the other day, that thing is one enormous beast. Also the Tesla store in Cambridge is always jam packed full. But obviously this is just anecdotal evidence.

Have you got any links to news articles saying that demand is less than expected in the UK?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving.

not looking good for them is it;

One problem Tesla doesn't have is a lack of demand for their products.

in the U.K. ?

I haven't heard of any lack of interest from the UK market, I saw a Model X in my local supermarket the other day, that thing is one enormous beast. Also the Tesla store in Cambridge is always jam packed full. But obviously this is just anecdotal evidence.

Have you got any links to news articles saying that demand is less than expected in the UK? "

go check out yourself the Telsa UK supercharger network, especially in Scotland, then open the map up for England, I think they need to do a vast lot more in their network before they consider selling cars lol

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving.

not looking good for them is it;

One problem Tesla doesn't have is a lack of demand for their products.

in the U.K. ?

I haven't heard of any lack of interest from the UK market, I saw a Model X in my local supermarket the other day, that thing is one enormous beast. Also the Tesla store in Cambridge is always jam packed full. But obviously this is just anecdotal evidence.

Have you got any links to news articles saying that demand is less than expected in the UK?

go check out yourself the Telsa UK supercharger network, especially in Scotland, then open the map up for England, I think they need to do a vast lot more in their network before they consider selling cars lol"

They are already selling cars.

Also, most people charge at home, but there are also chargers in supermarkets and car parks. As I said before, a lack of interest in their products doesn't seem to be a problem for them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving.

not looking good for them is it;

One problem Tesla doesn't have is a lack of demand for their products.

in the U.K. ?

I haven't heard of any lack of interest from the UK market, I saw a Model X in my local supermarket the other day, that thing is one enormous beast. Also the Tesla store in Cambridge is always jam packed full. But obviously this is just anecdotal evidence.

Have you got any links to news articles saying that demand is less than expected in the UK?

go check out yourself the Telsa UK supercharger network, especially in Scotland, then open the map up for England, I think they need to do a vast lot more in their network before they consider selling cars lol

They are already selling cars.

Also, most people charge at home, but there are also chargers in supermarkets and car parks. As I said before, a lack of interest in their products doesn't seem to be a problem for them. "

Which model do you drive?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving.

not looking good for them is it;

One problem Tesla doesn't have is a lack of demand for their products.

in the U.K. ?

I haven't heard of any lack of interest from the UK market, I saw a Model X in my local supermarket the other day, that thing is one enormous beast. Also the Tesla store in Cambridge is always jam packed full. But obviously this is just anecdotal evidence.

Have you got any links to news articles saying that demand is less than expected in the UK?

go check out yourself the Telsa UK supercharger network, especially in Scotland, then open the map up for England, I think they need to do a vast lot more in their network before they consider selling cars lol

They are already selling cars.

Also, most people charge at home, but there are also chargers in supermarkets and car parks. As I said before, a lack of interest in their products doesn't seem to be a problem for them.

Which model do you drive? "

Unfortunately I don't have one. They are all quite cool though.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving.

not looking good for them is it;

One problem Tesla doesn't have is a lack of demand for their products.

in the U.K. ?

I haven't heard of any lack of interest from the UK market, I saw a Model X in my local supermarket the other day, that thing is one enormous beast. Also the Tesla store in Cambridge is always jam packed full. But obviously this is just anecdotal evidence.

Have you got any links to news articles saying that demand is less than expected in the UK?

go check out yourself the Telsa UK supercharger network, especially in Scotland, then open the map up for England, I think they need to do a vast lot more in their network before they consider selling cars lol

They are already selling cars.

Also, most people charge at home, but there are also chargers in supermarkets and car parks. As I said before, a lack of interest in their products doesn't seem to be a problem for them.

Which model do you drive?

Unfortunately I don't have one. They are all quite cool though. "

oh; you don't have one; why not if they are so good?

and go on, tell us what you drive

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


""The company said the driver, Wei Huang, 38, a software engineer for Apple, had received several visual and audible warnings to put his hands back on the steering wheel but had failed to do so, even though his Model X S.U.V. had the modified version of the software. His hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds before his Model X slammed into a concrete divider"

But the point is - warning or not, these cars are supposed to drive themselves to an extent, and clearly that cannot. The technology does not work. They are no better than much lesser models with less advanced technology. They are misleading the pubic.

No, Tesla's autopilot is not autonomous driving.

not looking good for them is it;

One problem Tesla doesn't have is a lack of demand for their products.

in the U.K. ?

I haven't heard of any lack of interest from the UK market, I saw a Model X in my local supermarket the other day, that thing is one enormous beast. Also the Tesla store in Cambridge is always jam packed full. But obviously this is just anecdotal evidence.

Have you got any links to news articles saying that demand is less than expected in the UK?

go check out yourself the Telsa UK supercharger network, especially in Scotland, then open the map up for England, I think they need to do a vast lot more in their network before they consider selling cars lol

They are already selling cars.

Also, most people charge at home, but there are also chargers in supermarkets and car parks. As I said before, a lack of interest in their products doesn't seem to be a problem for them.

Which model do you drive?

Unfortunately I don't have one. They are all quite cool though.

oh; you don't have one; why not if they are so good?

and go on, tell us what you drive"

I'm too poor! I'm more interested to know what kind of car you think I drive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a tax loophole whereby the cost of the vehicle is set aside tax and however it works, the extremely expensive car ends up costing the new owner nothing.

How it works, I have no idea but there were several people I worked with who were party to it.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"There's a tax loophole whereby the cost of the vehicle is set aside tax and however it works, the extremely expensive car ends up costing the new owner nothing.

How it works, I have no idea but there were several people I worked with who were party to it.

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And you believe that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lease back, I think. So yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You get up to £4500 off a Tesla from the government for buying an electric vehicle.The waiting list is a few years long.They can't make them quickly enough such is the demand.Its a thing of beauty.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You get up to £4500 off a Tesla from the government for buying an electric vehicle.The waiting list is a few years long.They can't make them quickly enough such is the demand.Its a thing of beauty. "

yep a thing of beauty to store in your garage as no place to charge them up lol.

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Headlines today;

.Tesla shares fall on worries about Model 3 production

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.Tesla shares drop after its big Model S recall and more questions about Autopilot

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The Model 3 woes are a greater risk to Tesla than the fatal crash involving a Model X driver using Autopilot, a related US regulator's investigation and a separate Model S recall.

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Tesla announced a voluntary recall of 123,000 Model S vehicles because of an issue with a power steering component

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Remember when your gran used to tell about only having a toilet outside in the yard?, or that the house lights ran on gas?, or that you had to pre-book a phone call to Canada? that her dad died of a cut finger because there were no antibiotics? and you'd think to yourself "how did people live like that". That's what kids will be thinking in 50yrs time, "you mean you had to press pedels and fiddle with levers and turn a wheel?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Electric carmaker Tesla says a vehicle involved in a fatal crash in California was in Autopilot mode, raising further questions about the safety of self-driving technology.

.

One of the company's Model X cars crashed into a roadside barrier and caught fire on 23 March.

.

Tesla says Autopilot was engaged at the time of the accident involving the driver, 38, who died soon afterwards.

.

But they did not say whether the system had detected the concrete barrier

.

Tesla's Autopilot system does some of the things a fully autonomous machine can do. It can brake, accelerate and steer by itself under certain conditions, but it is classified as a driver assistance system, is not intended to operate independently and as such the driver is meant to have their hands on the wheel at all times.

In 2016, a Tesla driver was killed in Florida when his car failed to spot a lorry crossing its path.

It led the company to introduce new safety measures, including turning off Autopilot and bringing the car to a halt if the driver lets go of the wheel for too long.

.

Federal investigators said last year that Tesla "lacked understanding" of the semi-autonomous Autopilot's limitations

.The accident in California comes at a difficult time for self-driving technology.

.

Earlier this month, Uber was forbidden from resuming self-driving tests in the US state of Arizona.

.

It followed a fatal crash in the state in which an autonomous vehicle hit a woman who was walking her bike across the road.

.

It was thought to be the first time an autonomous car had been involved in a fatal collision with a pedestrian.

.

The company suspended all self-driving tests in North America after the accident

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Why copy & paste then add nothing from yourself ? unless you have nothing constructive to add ?

Many advanced innovations unfortunately cost people their lives during development, unfortunate but fact.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Remember when your gran used to tell about only having a toilet outside in the yard?, or that the house lights ran on gas?, or that you had to pre-book a phone call to Canada? that her dad died of a cut finger because there were no antibiotics? and you'd think to yourself "how did people live like that". That's what kids will be thinking in 50yrs time, "you mean you had to press pedels and fiddle with levers and turn a wheel?""

50 years time, kids will ask where their freedom went

as they all do directly as they are told, wonder if they will still be allowed to reproduce

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

There's a bunch of lads off to smash up a cotton gin and printing presses if you're at a loose end this weekend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a bunch of lads off to smash up a cotton gin and printing presses if you're at a loose end this weekend"

Too revolutionary for him.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"You get up to £4500 off a Tesla from the government for buying an electric vehicle.The waiting list is a few years long.They can't make them quickly enough such is the demand.Its a thing of beauty. "

As long as a Tesla is less than £4500, then it's free!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, you have to claim the 100% FYA first to make it free. And it be a company car. Then reap all the rest of the benefits, like a 0% loan on up to £100,00 to buy it in the first place and reduce NI for company cars.

Like you, a new owner needs to do their homework

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