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"No, not the sort I need to be allowed out on the streets and VWE black guys. The other sort. I'll start the thread that our Scottish friend has been dying to start, but he prefers to beat around this particular bush. I think the BBC and it's entire TV/radio output in general is worth the license fee and should be kept. I think the cultural impact it has had on our country alone warrants that. Anyone over 20 has probably had their upbringing influenced by it somehow. I see television (as a whole) as an essential service. You may argue about that, but how many people could live without one these days? True it is being fast replaced by internet streaming, but with a large aging population still tied to it, it has some legs yet. I rate the funding of our national broadcaster alongside the funding of our NHS. The argument people use is (just like our Scottish friend) "I don't watch it, why should I pay?" Well if everyone said "I'm not using it, why should I pay?" about the NHS, then we'd be in an American healthcare system tomorrow. Which is obviously a bad thing if you're poor. Same with TV, if the BBC folded tomorrow then those unable to pay Sky would find their options becoming limited very fast. And I would to defy anyone from the UK to honestly say that they have never watched/listened to BBC output. It's so diverse and has been around for so long that it would be nigh on impossible. Even the ones that hate it watch it to get enraged at how much they hate it. The other argument (again as our Scottish friend blathers on about) is impartiality. As a national broadcaster it should be truly impartial. And as a whole they tend to have pissed off both right and left in their time, which I take to mean they are trying to stay in the middle. But since the Tories won in 2010 they have tended to lean right to keep them sweet. Because the BBC charter has been under attack by elements of the party that want it split up and sold off, as per Tory ideology on all public services. It shouldn't effect it's impartiality, but it does because I believe there are people working there who do view it the same way as I do, and are trying to keep it together. I think that for £13 a month its output across the platforms is brilliant. Particularly when you consider that a basic Sky package is £20. And absolutely none of that £13 goes to the Murdoch empire. That's reason enough in itself. I do believe it is a good service, with its faults yes, but as a whole should be kept through a change in funding. Possibly through an increase on income tax rather than the fee. I'd hate to see it get like PBS in America where it has to have funding drives. So, let the beeb bashing commence. " BBC4 is the best channel on tv. It's great. The person you refer to doesn't pay for anything, they take tax payers money to fund their life so it's no surprise they don't pay for their tv licence. | |||
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"The BBC is biased and corrupt, this was obvious when the Scottish referendum vote was going on, all BBC media was focused on remaining within UK . Report CONFIRMS BBC was also ‘strongly biased AGAINST Brexit’ in run-up to referendum " Hmmm, I do question that. While living in Scotland during that time I was an audience member for a BBC politics debate in Inverness, part of a series they did. And nearly all questions posed to the panel came from the Yes camp. Anecdotal I know, but still. And as I pointed out, when your boss is itching for an excuse to sell off your job, you try to keep him sweet. That is wrong, yes. But there perhaps needs to be an independent panel reviewing and in control of the BBC, not the DMCS. And to change your post slightly to see if it looks different "The citizens of the UK should be given the option as to whether they want to support the NHS or not At this moment there is NO choice, if you work you must pay . this is wrong." I see it as one of the great triumphs of socialism left over from the post war period, just like the NHS. And I love how people who dislike it call its output "propaganda" as it's a very emotive term and evokes an Orwellian view of things. But output from platforms they do like is just "programming". And is you objection to the propaganda limited to just the news? Or is Mr Tumble also guilty of influencing the No vote and Remain narrative among toddlers? | |||
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"Its bloody great to see the BBC lose money you honestly have to question paying for biased crap and corruption and covering up some real nasty sick shit from a guy i hope is burning in hell they all knew about it and didnt do a thing about it No doubt you will have the people that pay the tv licence fee say see its cause of you that dont pay it the price keeps going up and up £150 now oh well tough shit i and many others wont pay ever live tv is utter shite and i wont fund a corporation thats corrupt Wont even pay women equal pay nasty fuckers!! " Interesting that your moral compass will navigate you around not paying the license fee which is for the good of all, but sends you straight through to companies that avoid paying vast amounts of tax in this country. Tax that could help fund so much. Very interesting. Keep up that good work.  | |||
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"I think if it does, it should be free. I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for the privilege of state propaganda to be beamed into my home. I don't have a TV, nor do I pay the license fee for this very reason." If it gives out state propaganda howcome it is so pro remain over the EY and Laura Guinsberg is totally anti the government!! | |||
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"Who is Laura Guinsberg?" Think she means Laura Keunssberg. | |||
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"Its bloody great to see the BBC lose money you honestly have to question paying for biased crap and corruption and covering up some real nasty sick shit from a guy i hope is burning in hell they all knew about it and didnt do a thing about it No doubt you will have the people that pay the tv licence fee say see its cause of you that dont pay it the price keeps going up and up £150 now oh well tough shit i and many others wont pay ever live tv is utter shite and i wont fund a corporation thats corrupt Wont even pay women equal pay nasty fuckers!! Interesting that your moral compass will navigate you around not paying the license fee which is for the good of all, but sends you straight through to companies that avoid paying vast amounts of tax in this country. Tax that could help fund so much. Very interesting. Keep up that good work. "I dont care i dont need to pay a tv licence thats fact i dont watch live tv and wint be guilt tripped by people that piss and moan about having to pay more for their that crap licence oh well boohoo | |||
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"Maybe if you watched some live tv, then you might educate yourself and not spout the utter nonsense that you do on here. " Nae thanks is aload of shite Being told what you will watch where with Netflix YouTube Amazon Hulu etc you get to pick what you watch and alot cheaper | |||
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"Its bloody great to see the BBC lose money you honestly have to question paying for biased crap and corruption and covering up some real nasty sick shit from a guy i hope is burning in hell they all knew about it and didnt do a thing about it No doubt you will have the people that pay the tv licence fee say see its cause of you that dont pay it the price keeps going up and up £150 now oh well tough shit i and many others wont pay ever live tv is utter shite and i wont fund a corporation thats corrupt Wont even pay women equal pay nasty fuckers!! Interesting that your moral compass will navigate you around not paying the license fee which is for the good of all, but sends you straight through to companies that avoid paying vast amounts of tax in this country. Tax that could help fund so much. Very interesting. Keep up that good work.
I dont care i dont need to pay a tv licence thats fact i dont watch live tv and wint be guilt tripped by people that piss and moan about having to pay more for their that crap licence oh well boohoo
"I've not moaned about having to pay more. That's either in your head or someone else. But I don't mind paying a bit more if need be to keep it. If is starts approaching Sky rates then I may object. And as I said before, if you don't pay and don't watch then you've really no right to criticise. | |||
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"Its bloody great to see the BBC lose money you honestly have to question paying for biased crap and corruption and covering up some real nasty sick shit from a guy i hope is burning in hell they all knew about it and didnt do a thing about it No doubt you will have the people that pay the tv licence fee say see its cause of you that dont pay it the price keeps going up and up £150 now oh well tough shit i and many others wont pay ever live tv is utter shite and i wont fund a corporation thats corrupt Wont even pay women equal pay nasty fuckers!! Interesting that your moral compass will navigate you around not paying the license fee which is for the good of all, but sends you straight through to companies that avoid paying vast amounts of tax in this country. Tax that could help fund so much. Very interesting. Keep up that good work.
I dont care i dont need to pay a tv licence thats fact i dont watch live tv and wint be guilt tripped by people that piss and moan about having to pay more for their that crap licence oh well boohoo
I've not moaned about having to pay more. That's either in your head or someone else. But I don't mind paying a bit more if need be to keep it. If is starts approaching Sky rates then I may object.
And as I said before, if you don't pay and don't watch then you've really no right to criticise. "Yes i do Are you honestly saying i have fuck all right to call out the lies and corruption from the BBC ? | |||
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"Its bloody great to see the BBC lose money you honestly have to question paying for biased crap and corruption and covering up some real nasty sick shit from a guy i hope is burning in hell they all knew about it and didnt do a thing about it No doubt you will have the people that pay the tv licence fee say see its cause of you that dont pay it the price keeps going up and up £150 now oh well tough shit i and many others wont pay ever live tv is utter shite and i wont fund a corporation thats corrupt Wont even pay women equal pay nasty fuckers!! Interesting that your moral compass will navigate you around not paying the license fee which is for the good of all, but sends you straight through to companies that avoid paying vast amounts of tax in this country. Tax that could help fund so much. Very interesting. Keep up that good work.
I dont care i dont need to pay a tv licence thats fact i dont watch live tv and wint be guilt tripped by people that piss and moan about having to pay more for their that crap licence oh well boohoo
I've not moaned about having to pay more. That's either in your head or someone else. But I don't mind paying a bit more if need be to keep it. If is starts approaching Sky rates then I may object.
And as I said before, if you don't pay and don't watch then you've really no right to criticise. "We've no right to criticise state sponsored propaganda organs? | |||
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"Not really. Not if you don't pay. And if you don't watch its output either how do you know to complain? " Wow just honestly wow So you believe cause we dont want to pay the tv licence we dont have a right to call out BBC propaganda? Yup the UK is fucked with that kinda utter madness!!!! | |||
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"Not really. Not if you don't pay. And if you don't watch its output either how do you know to complain? " The output of the BBC does get reported in other news organs, you know. Am I allowed to criticise the output of other news organs I don't buy like the Daily Mail and The Sun, for example? Propaganda has implications that reverberate within society, whoever owns the means of producing it. Scratch a liberal and all that.... | |||
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"Not really. Not if you don't pay. And if you don't watch its output either how do you know to complain? The output of the BBC does get reported in other news organs, you know. Am I allowed to criticise the output of other news organs I don't buy like the Daily Mail and The Sun, for example? Propaganda has implications that reverberate within society, whoever owns the means of producing it. Scratch a liberal and all that...." So you do watch/listen to it's output? Even if it is on another platform? Even if it is only to get enraged? Do you not think you should pay then? No I don't think you can criticise the BBC like you can the Mail or Sun. Those particular organs routinely try to influence government policy and the thinking of mass swathes of the population through its editorial policy, guided by the billionaires that own them and the advertisers that pay them. They feed an already partisan readership. The BBC does not, it has a far wider spectrum. As private companies they don't give a damn what you think while they are still taking your coin, unless you get litigious. Whereas the BBC as a public entity has complaint procedures which regularly appear in the news. So no, I don't think you have the right to complain about a public service paid for through taxation while you are not paying that particular tax. Why not continue to pay, form a pressure group and try to make changes that way. Instead of throwing your teddies out and throwing shit from the sidelines. And as I said somewhere else, is it only propaganda when an outlet you dislike does it? When it's an outlet you do like, is it just news? | |||
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"Not really. Not if you don't pay. And if you don't watch its output either how do you know to complain? The output of the BBC does get reported in other news organs, you know. Am I allowed to criticise the output of other news organs I don't buy like the Daily Mail and The Sun, for example? Propaganda has implications that reverberate within society, whoever owns the means of producing it. Scratch a liberal and all that.... So you do watch/listen to it's output? Even if it is on another platform? Even if it is only to get enraged? Do you not think you should pay then? No I don't think you can criticise the BBC like you can the Mail or Sun. Those particular organs routinely try to influence government policy and the thinking of mass swathes of the population through its editorial policy, guided by the billionaires that own them and the advertisers that pay them. They feed an already partisan readership. The BBC does not, it has a far wider spectrum. As private companies they don't give a damn what you think while they are still taking your coin, unless you get litigious. Whereas the BBC as a public entity has complaint procedures which regularly appear in the news. So no, I don't think you have the right to complain about a public service paid for through taxation while you are not paying that particular tax. Why not continue to pay, form a pressure group and try to make changes that way. Instead of throwing your teddies out and throwing shit from the sidelines. And as I said somewhere else, is it only propaganda when an outlet you dislike does it? When it's an outlet you do like, is it just news? " Why pay for them to lie to you ? The BBC are greedy scumbags and they cover up some very nasty vile shit of a certain someone that is died and hopefully burning in hell people within the BBC knew about it and did fuck all about it why pay for that ? Then they sent tv goons from Captia threating you to buy a licence or face a fine and jail time whistle for it i say | |||
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"Not really. Not if you don't pay. And if you don't watch its output either how do you know to complain? The output of the BBC does get reported in other news organs, you know. Am I allowed to criticise the output of other news organs I don't buy like the Daily Mail and The Sun, for example? Propaganda has implications that reverberate within society, whoever owns the means of producing it. Scratch a liberal and all that.... So you do watch/listen to it's output? Even if it is on another platform? Even if it is only to get enraged? Do you not think you should pay then? No I don't think you can criticise the BBC like you can the Mail or Sun. Those particular organs routinely try to influence government policy and the thinking of mass swathes of the population through its editorial policy, guided by the billionaires that own them and the advertisers that pay them. They feed an already partisan readership. The BBC does not, it has a far wider spectrum. As private companies they don't give a damn what you think while they are still taking your coin, unless you get litigious. Whereas the BBC as a public entity has complaint procedures which regularly appear in the news. So no, I don't think you have the right to complain about a public service paid for through taxation while you are not paying that particular tax. Why not continue to pay, form a pressure group and try to make changes that way. Instead of throwing your teddies out and throwing shit from the sidelines. And as I said somewhere else, is it only propaganda when an outlet you dislike does it? When it's an outlet you do like, is it just news? " You are right, the BBC doesn't try and influence policy as long as it's source if capital is protected. What it does is to protect the status quo that grants it's license fee. BBC bias is mostly pro government and the worldview of the products of the public school system who run it. A good example of this is it's refusal to cover dissent. "Stop The War" and anti austerity marches have been very well attended, yet if you watched the BBC at the time, you wouldn't have been aware that they were happening. It's interesting how authoritarian liberal centrist types get when their worldview is challenged. Suddenly they seem very pro-censorship. Because I don't pay any money towards something that has a far reaching influence in manipulating the thoughts of a national, my criticisms of it "shouldn't be allowed".... I would call The Mail, The Sun and the BBC propaganda. | |||
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"Not really. Not if you don't pay. And if you don't watch its output either how do you know to complain? The output of the BBC does get reported in other news organs, you know. Am I allowed to criticise the output of other news organs I don't buy like the Daily Mail and The Sun, for example? Propaganda has implications that reverberate within society, whoever owns the means of producing it. Scratch a liberal and all that.... So you do watch/listen to it's output? Even if it is on another platform? Even if it is only to get enraged? Do you not think you should pay then? No I don't think you can criticise the BBC like you can the Mail or Sun. Those particular organs routinely try to influence government policy and the thinking of mass swathes of the population through its editorial policy, guided by the billionaires that own them and the advertisers that pay them. They feed an already partisan readership. The BBC does not, it has a far wider spectrum. As private companies they don't give a damn what you think while they are still taking your coin, unless you get litigious. Whereas the BBC as a public entity has complaint procedures which regularly appear in the news. So no, I don't think you have the right to complain about a public service paid for through taxation while you are not paying that particular tax. Why not continue to pay, form a pressure group and try to make changes that way. Instead of throwing your teddies out and throwing shit from the sidelines. And as I said somewhere else, is it only propaganda when an outlet you dislike does it? When it's an outlet you do like, is it just news? You are right, the BBC doesn't try and influence policy as long as it's source if capital is protected. What it does is to protect the status quo that grants it's license fee. BBC bias is mostly pro government and the worldview of the products of the public school system who run it. A good example of this is it's refusal to cover dissent. "Stop The War" and anti austerity marches have been very well attended, yet if you watched the BBC at the time, you wouldn't have been aware that they were happening. It's interesting how authoritarian liberal centrist types get when their worldview is challenged. Suddenly they seem very pro-censorship. Because I don't pay any money towards something that has a far reaching influence in manipulating the thoughts of a national, my criticisms of it "shouldn't be allowed".... I would call The Mail, The Sun and the BBC propaganda. "  very same with the Scottish independence referendum hardly any marches and rallys getting covered on the BBC anything that threats the UK union wont get reported on
They allowed unionists air time but see as soon as a YES supporter tried to get on camera they would pan away so the viewer would see it
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"Maybe if you watched some live tv, then you might educate yourself and not spout the utter nonsense that you do on here. Nae thanks is aload of shite Being told what you will watch where with Netflix YouTube Amazon Hulu etc you get to pick what you watch and alot cheaper " A recent Ofcom report showed that under 18's and the 18-24 years old younger generation are shunning the television and the likes of BBC in favour of pay per view online services like Netflix and Amazon. The Ofcom report concluded that this age demographic watches 1 third less television on sets than they did in 2010. If this trend continues then the BBC's days are numbered. The BBC is an old relic of the past which has failed to move with the times. The BBC licence fee is no longer sustainable and unless the BBC changes and modernises with changing viewer habits then the BBC will fade into insignificance as time goes by. | |||
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"Not really. Not if you don't pay. And if you don't watch its output either how do you know to complain? The output of the BBC does get reported in other news organs, you know. Am I allowed to criticise the output of other news organs I don't buy like the Daily Mail and The Sun, for example? Propaganda has implications that reverberate within society, whoever owns the means of producing it. Scratch a liberal and all that.... So you do watch/listen to it's output? Even if it is on another platform? Even if it is only to get enraged? Do you not think you should pay then? No I don't think you can criticise the BBC like you can the Mail or Sun. Those particular organs routinely try to influence government policy and the thinking of mass swathes of the population through its editorial policy, guided by the billionaires that own them and the advertisers that pay them. They feed an already partisan readership. The BBC does not, it has a far wider spectrum. As private companies they don't give a damn what you think while they are still taking your coin, unless you get litigious. Whereas the BBC as a public entity has complaint procedures which regularly appear in the news. So no, I don't think you have the right to complain about a public service paid for through taxation while you are not paying that particular tax. Why not continue to pay, form a pressure group and try to make changes that way. Instead of throwing your teddies out and throwing shit from the sidelines. And as I said somewhere else, is it only propaganda when an outlet you dislike does it? When it's an outlet you do like, is it just news? Why pay for them to lie to you ? The BBC are greedy scumbags and they cover up some very nasty vile shit of a certain someone that is died and hopefully burning in hell people within the BBC knew about it and did fuck all about it why pay for that ? Then they sent tv goons from Captia threating you to buy a licence or face a fine and jail time whistle for it i say " I'm not paying for them to lie to me am I. I'm paying because I enjoy it. And as far as news goes I can make informed choice to look elsewhere for confirmation on a story. You seem to think it only makes news programmes, is all it's output biased? And I never said it was perfect, obviously the Saville thing was appalling. I hate to use the analogy again, but did you stop paying NI contributions because of the HIV contaminated blood scandal. Or the Bristol heart surgery scandal? And I'd like you to elaborate why the BBC as an entity is greedy? An individual can be greedy, but not a diverse public body. Do you mean the management or the talent perhaps? | |||
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"Maybe if you watched some live tv, then you might educate yourself and not spout the utter nonsense that you do on here. Nae thanks is aload of shite Being told what you will watch where with Netflix YouTube Amazon Hulu etc you get to pick what you watch and alot cheaper A recent Ofcom report showed that under 18's and the 18-24 years old younger generation are shunning the television and the likes of BBC in favour of pay per view online services like Netflix and Amazon. The Ofcom report concluded that this age demographic watches 1 third less television on sets than they did in 2010. If this trend continues then the BBC's days are numbered. The BBC is an old relic of the past which has failed to move with the times. The BBC licence fee is no longer sustainable and unless the BBC changes and modernises with changing viewer habits then the BBC will fade into insignificance as time goes by. " Oh god i actually for once agree with you | |||
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"JustJodie Watch this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQX3TGCawc And here is the full thing then try and tell me they arent greedy bastards trying to threat you to getting a tv licence scumbags https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5FfIugddscQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kyI7Y4J0a8U " No, I shan't. That doesn't show me who is a greedy bastard does it? Is everyone in the NHS a greedy bastard? | |||
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"Maybe if you watched some live tv, then you might educate yourself and not spout the utter nonsense that you do on here. Nae thanks is aload of shite Being told what you will watch where with Netflix YouTube Amazon Hulu etc you get to pick what you watch and alot cheaper A recent Ofcom report showed that under 18's and the 18-24 years old younger generation are shunning the television and the likes of BBC in favour of pay per view online services like Netflix and Amazon. The Ofcom report concluded that this age demographic watches 1 third less television on sets than they did in 2010. If this trend continues then the BBC's days are numbered. The BBC is an old relic of the past which has failed to move with the times. The BBC licence fee is no longer sustainable and unless the BBC changes and modernises with changing viewer habits then the BBC will fade into insignificance as time goes by. Oh god i actually for once agree with you " I have pointed out on other threads before that the BBC was biased against Scottish independence during the Scottish referendum. So we agree on that too. I've also pointed out on other threads that the BBC was biased against Brexit during the EU referendum and several independent reports back that up. Do you agree the BBC coverage of the EU referendum was biased against Brexit? | |||
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"JustJodie Watch this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQX3TGCawc And here is the full thing then try and tell me they arent greedy bastards trying to threat you to getting a tv licence scumbags https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5FfIugddscQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kyI7Y4J0a8U No, I shan't. That doesn't show me who is a greedy bastard does it? Is everyone in the NHS a greedy bastard? " Lol well you go on paying £150 and i hope the BBC keep losing money fucking great hehehe | |||
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"Maybe if you watched some live tv, then you might educate yourself and not spout the utter nonsense that you do on here. Nae thanks is aload of shite Being told what you will watch where with Netflix YouTube Amazon Hulu etc you get to pick what you watch and alot cheaper A recent Ofcom report showed that under 18's and the 18-24 years old younger generation are shunning the television and the likes of BBC in favour of pay per view online services like Netflix and Amazon. The Ofcom report concluded that this age demographic watches 1 third less television on sets than they did in 2010. If this trend continues then the BBC's days are numbered. The BBC is an old relic of the past which has failed to move with the times. The BBC licence fee is no longer sustainable and unless the BBC changes and modernises with changing viewer habits then the BBC will fade into insignificance as time goes by. Oh god i actually for once agree with you I have pointed out on other threads before that the BBC was biased against Scottish independence during the Scottish referendum. So we agree on that too. I've also pointed out on other threads that the BBC was biased against Brexit during the EU referendum and several independent reports back that up. Do you agree the BBC coverage of the EU referendum was biased against Brexit? " Dont know to be honest never watched the EU referendum coverage on the BBC as i didnt have a licence in 2016 | |||
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"Maybe if you watched some live tv, then you might educate yourself and not spout the utter nonsense that you do on here. Nae thanks is aload of shite Being told what you will watch where with Netflix YouTube Amazon Hulu etc you get to pick what you watch and alot cheaper A recent Ofcom report showed that under 18's and the 18-24 years old younger generation are shunning the television and the likes of BBC in favour of pay per view online services like Netflix and Amazon. The Ofcom report concluded that this age demographic watches 1 third less television on sets than they did in 2010. If this trend continues then the BBC's days are numbered. The BBC is an old relic of the past which has failed to move with the times. The BBC licence fee is no longer sustainable and unless the BBC changes and modernises with changing viewer habits then the BBC will fade into insignificance as time goes by. Oh god i actually for once agree with you I have pointed out on other threads before that the BBC was biased against Scottish independence during the Scottish referendum. So we agree on that too. I've also pointed out on other threads that the BBC was biased against Brexit during the EU referendum and several independent reports back that up. Do you agree the BBC coverage of the EU referendum was biased against Brexit? " Care to link to those reports and the veracity of their independence? As there were a few post referendum and they were hardly independent. | |||
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"JustJodie Watch this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQX3TGCawc And here is the full thing then try and tell me they arent greedy bastards trying to threat you to getting a tv licence scumbags https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5FfIugddscQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kyI7Y4J0a8U No, I shan't. That doesn't show me who is a greedy bastard does it? Is everyone in the NHS a greedy bastard? Lol well you go on paying £150 and i hope the BBC keep losing money fucking great hehehe " Nice deflection. Is everyone at the NHS a greedy bastard as well then? As I say, I'm happy to pay it. I enjoy it's output. You're not scoring points with that one. | |||
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""Bread and Circuses"" It's possible to watch entertaining TV and still question stuff. It's going entirely one way or the other that makes you either a conspiracy theorist nutbag or a superficial, celeb obsessed nutbag. | |||
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""Bread and Circuses" It's possible to watch entertaining TV and still question stuff. It's going entirely one way or the other that makes you either a conspiracy theorist nutbag or a superficial, celeb obsessed nutbag. " Keep telling yourself that. Keep consuming the material that they intend you to consume. "The environment, The environment exceeding on our level of unconsciousness, For example: What does the billboard say? "Come and play, come and play - forget about the movement..." | |||
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"I think if it does, it should be free. I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for the privilege of state propaganda to be beamed into my home. I don't have a TV, nor do I pay the license fee for this very reason." Have you ever had a TV? I’m wondering how it feels to get rid of mine as a way of freeing up my time to be productive in other areas. | |||
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""Bread and Circuses" It's possible to watch entertaining TV and still question stuff. It's going entirely one way or the other that makes you either a conspiracy theorist nutbag or a superficial, celeb obsessed nutbag. Keep telling yourself that. Keep consuming the material that they intend you to consume. "The environment, The environment exceeding on our level of unconsciousness, For example: What does the billboard say? "Come and play, come and play - forget about the movement..." " This belongs in a thread entitled "does TV make you dumb" not on here. | |||
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""Bread and Circuses" It's possible to watch entertaining TV and still question stuff. It's going entirely one way or the other that makes you either a conspiracy theorist nutbag or a superficial, celeb obsessed nutbag. Keep telling yourself that. Keep consuming the material that they intend you to consume. "The environment, The environment exceeding on our level of unconsciousness, For example: What does the billboard say? "Come and play, come and play - forget about the movement..." This belongs in a thread entitled "does TV make you dumb" not on here. " You are the one that greedily laps up your portion of political distraction from the establishment, and is willing to pay for it, not me. | |||
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""Bread and Circuses" It's possible to watch entertaining TV and still question stuff. It's going entirely one way or the other that makes you either a conspiracy theorist nutbag or a superficial, celeb obsessed nutbag. Keep telling yourself that. Keep consuming the material that they intend you to consume. "The environment, The environment exceeding on our level of unconsciousness, For example: What does the billboard say? "Come and play, come and play - forget about the movement..." This belongs in a thread entitled "does TV make you dumb" not on here. You are the one that greedily laps up your portion of political distraction from the establishment, and is willing to pay for it, not me. " Greedily laps up? I said I enjoy some of it's output. That's hardly greedily lapping up. But you go ahead and use your tabloid phraseology that attempts to make things seem worse than they are. I've got Only Connect to catch up on, I'll be sure to watch out for propaganda hidden in the subtext of the missing vowels round. | |||
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"I'd be happy to pay the fee just for Radio 4 and BBC 4 TV channels. " Absolutely agree | |||
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"I'd be happy to pay the fee just for Radio 4 and BBC 4 TV channels. Absolutely agree" I would be happy if we all had the option to pay or not to pay | |||
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"I'd be happy to pay the fee just for Radio 4 and BBC 4 TV channels. Absolutely agree I would be happy if we all had the option to pay or not to pay" The problem is in this world we have so many freeloaders who don't want to pay for anything and are quite happy for others to pay but still expect to get the services. | |||
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