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Former Tory leader Michael Howard also said on Newsnight that John Major used to complain about backseat driving from his predecessor Margaret Thatcher, and yet now John Major is guilty of backseat driving himself. Former Tory leader Ian Duncan Smith and leadership contender Jacob Rees Mogg also made some pretty disparaging remarks about John Major after his speech, seems John Major is losing friends fast in the Conservative party and has few and far between friends left on the government benches in Westminster. | |||
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"Recent days have seen High profile interventions? If you're making reference to John Major then Conservative MP Bill Cash said on BBC Newsnight that watching John Major's speech reminded him of watching an episode of Spitting image.
Former Tory leader Michael Howard also said on Newsnight that John Major used to complain about backseat driving from his predecessor Margaret Thatcher, and yet now John Major is guilty of backseat driving himself. Former Tory leader Ian Duncan Smith and leadership contender Jacob Rees Mogg also made some pretty disparaging remarks about John Major after his speech, seems John Major is losing friends fast in the Conservative party and has few and far between friends left on the government benches in Westminster. "Im no fan of Major, but if he's upset that list of utter fuckwits, he must be doing something right. It's like a who's who of parliamentary idiots. | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? " Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch " What has Jacob Rees Mogg ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class? 
He managed to get £7m from the government to repair his family's home, do you think you or I would get the same? | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch What has Jacob Rees Mogg ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class?
He managed to get £7m from the government to repair his family's home, do you think you or I would get the same?"He and Farage would not be any pushovers during the negotiations unlike the current incumbents who are supposedly taking charge | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch What has Jacob Rees Mogg ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class?
He managed to get £7m from the government to repair his family's home, do you think you or I would get the same?
He and Farage would not be any pushovers during the negotiations unlike the current incumbents who are supposedly taking charge "But what has he ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class? | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch What has Jacob Rees Mogg ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class?
He managed to get £7m from the government to repair his family's home, do you think you or I would get the same?"Naughty! You've been told about this before! The Rees-Mogg family have had no legal connection with Wentworth Woodhouse since 1946. Continuing this lie does down the excellent efforts of the Preservation Trust and local MP John Healy, in trying to save this architectural gem for the nation. | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch What has Jacob Rees Mogg ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class?
He managed to get £7m from the government to repair his family's home, do you think you or I would get the same?
Naughty! You've been told about this before!
The Rees-Mogg family have had no legal connection with Wentworth Woodhouse since 1946. Continuing this lie does down the excellent efforts of the Preservation Trust and local MP John Healy, in trying to save this architectural gem for the nation."It's not for the nation, it's not publically owned. | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? " Theresa May: 'strong and Stable' David Cameron: brought you the hated referendum, unable to negotiate anything with the EU. Gordon Brown: sold our gold fucked up pensions. Promised 'whatever' we were hit with, 'No more boom and bust' Tony Blair: took us into Iraq, opened up immigration promising 'no more than 13,000'. Responsible, with Gordon Brown, for the explosion of PFI. John Major: adamant that we should stay in the ERM and join the Euro. | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? " . . Yes indeed They were out of touch with the mass population of Brits . It required a referendum for the people of UK to vote in the masses with the overwhelming result to Leave the EU . No UK PM or serious political party can ignore this, apart from Lib Dems, but then again they are not considered serious by anyone | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch What has Jacob Rees Mogg ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class?
He managed to get £7m from the government to repair his family's home, do you think you or I would get the same?
Naughty! You've been told about this before!
The Rees-Mogg family have had no legal connection with Wentworth Woodhouse since 1946. Continuing this lie does down the excellent efforts of the Preservation Trust and local MP John Healy, in trying to save this architectural gem for the nation.
It's not for the nation, it's not publically owned. "It's owned by the Preservation Trust, whose sole aim is to restore it. Any member of the public can get involved. It has now got a tie in with the National Trust, and visits have commenced. JRM lives in West Harptree,near Bath. | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch " I agree they don't really understand the working class. Nor does farage though given that he never got to be an MP. Out of interest please explain how leaving the EU, precisely is going to help you and presumably the working class community you come from? Short and long term please. | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? . . Yes indeed They were out of touch with the mass population of Brits . It required a referendum for the people of UK to vote in the masses with the overwhelming result to Leave the EU . No UK PM or serious political party can ignore this, apart from Lib Dems, but then again they are not considered serious by anyone" Where have the Lib Dems ignored it? I quite like the idea of the public ratifying the deal. If you can trust the public to direct us to leave or stay, you can trust the public to ratify the negotiated offer. So long as after, we go back to negotiating. | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch " Hahahahahahahaha! Oh some of you brexiteers really are funny. None of those previous PMs have the first clue about the working classs..... but Farage or Rees-Mogg do? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Next you will be trying to tell us with a straight face that Johnson is a 'man of the people'. -Matt | |||
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"Recent days have seen High profile interventions? If you're making reference to John Major then Conservative MP Bill Cash said on BBC Newsnight that watching John Major's speech reminded him of watching an episode of Spitting image.
Former Tory leader Michael Howard also said on Newsnight that John Major used to complain about backseat driving from his predecessor Margaret Thatcher, and yet now John Major is guilty of backseat driving himself. Former Tory leader Ian Duncan Smith and leadership contender Jacob Rees Mogg also made some pretty disparaging remarks about John Major after his speech, seems John Major is losing friends fast in the Conservative party and has few and far between friends left on the government benches in Westminster. "They're just doing what some on here do, attacking the messenger to appease their supporters.. Often when they have no counter argument of any substance.. Surely you of all people recognise that practise given your own manner of posting on here..? | |||
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"It amazes me any working class person can consider moggy would be looking out for them.He wouldn't piss on a pleb. "i. I agree bob but that goes for most MPs tho I think u shudnt be allowed a top job in the government unless you have had 5 yrs atleast working in a proper job alongside ppl who know the struggles of real life that way they may get a handle on real life | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch " Don't have a clue about the working class? And you put forward Rees Muggle? | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch " Bring on Brexit and watch your country go down the shitter? Brilliant strategy | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch " ...Spot on. | |||
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"Bring on Brexit and watch your country go down the shitter? Brilliant strategy" to be fair and completely factual, the country went down the shitter on the 6th may 2010 | |||
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"Bring on Brexit and watch your country go down the shitter? Brilliant strategy to be fair and completely factual, the country went down the shitter on the 6th may 2010" And since then, it's transformed into a huge congealed mess, the London sewer Fatberg, of boris, reesmogg, may and the the rest of self-serving Conservatives, incompetence par excellence, unable to make brexit progress, whilst the fatberg decomposes. | |||
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"Bring on Brexit and watch your country go down the shitter? Brilliant strategy to be fair and completely factual, the country went down the shitter on the 6th may 2010 And since then, it's transformed into a huge congealed mess, the London sewer Fatberg, of boris, reesmogg, may and the the rest of self-serving Conservatives, incompetence par excellence, unable to make brexit progress, whilst the fatberg decomposes." it's just turned into a far right brextremist pool of brown fetid bum gravy | |||
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"Bring on Brexit and watch your country go down the shitter? Brilliant strategy to be fair and completely factual, the country went down the shitter on the 6th may 2010 And since then, it's transformed into a huge congealed mess, the London sewer Fatberg, of boris, reesmogg, may and the the rest of self-serving Conservatives, incompetence par excellence, unable to make brexit progress, whilst the fatberg decomposes. it's just turned into a far right brextremist pool of brown fetid bum gravy" The fatberg is now exhibited in the Museum of London - roll on the time when that fetid bunch are consigned to history. | |||
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"Bring on Brexit and watch your country go down the shitter? Brilliant strategy to be fair and completely factual, the country went down the shitter on the 6th may 2010 And since then, it's transformed into a huge congealed mess, the London sewer Fatberg, of boris, reesmogg, may and the the rest of self-serving Conservatives, incompetence par excellence, unable to make brexit progress, whilst the fatberg decomposes. it's just turned into a far right brextremist pool of brown fetid bum gravy The fatberg is now exhibited in the Museum of London - roll on the time when that fetid bunch are consigned to history. " the idiots who voted for them already are ... time has run out and the far right loons have no place to hide after exposing themselves like the perverted flashers that they are ... all that's left to do is scrape away the tidemark that this kind of dross has left behind  | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? . . Yes indeed They were out of touch with the mass population of Brits . It required a referendum for the people of UK to vote in the masses with the overwhelming result to Leave the EU . No UK PM or serious political party can ignore this, apart from Lib Dems, but then again they are not considered serious by anyone" They (with the exception of Brown, and arguably May) they were elected by the mass population of Brits, so that blows your argument out of the water. Also, the result wasn't overwhelming at all, it was won by a tiny majority, and far less that 50% of the electorate, let alone the country. | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch What has Jacob Rees Mogg ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class?
He managed to get £7m from the government to repair his family's home, do you think you or I would get the same?
Naughty! You've been told about this before!
The Rees-Mogg family have had no legal connection with Wentworth Woodhouse since 1946. Continuing this lie does down the excellent efforts of the Preservation Trust and local MP John Healy, in trying to save this architectural gem for the nation.
It's not for the nation, it's not publically owned.
It's owned by the Preservation Trust, whose sole aim is to restore it. Any member of the public can get involved. It has now got a tie in with the National Trust, and visits have commenced.
JRM lives in West Harptree,near Bath."Not owned by the nation, for the nation, yet still got £7m of tax payer money. It's disgraceful. Also, if you think that payment had nothing to do with the government trying to keep quiet a troublesome influential backbencher, then you are naive in the extreme. | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch What has Jacob Rees Mogg ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class?
He managed to get £7m from the government to repair his family's home, do you think you or I would get the same?
Naughty! You've been told about this before!
The Rees-Mogg family have had no legal connection with Wentworth Woodhouse since 1946. Continuing this lie does down the excellent efforts of the Preservation Trust and local MP John Healy, in trying to save this architectural gem for the nation.
It's not for the nation, it's not publically owned.
It's owned by the Preservation Trust, whose sole aim is to restore it. Any member of the public can get involved. It has now got a tie in with the National Trust, and visits have commenced.
JRM lives in West Harptree,near Bath.
Not owned by the nation, for the nation, yet still got £7m of tax payer money. It's disgraceful. Also, if you think that payment had nothing to do with the government trying to keep quiet a troublesome influential backbencher, then you are naive in the extreme. "And I had you down as someone on this forum who prided themselves in factual accuracy, and not to be taken in by lazy and inaccurate journalism. But if want to hold that opinion to suit your agenda, then knock yourself out. | |||
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"Recent days have seen High profile interventions? If you're making reference to John Major then Conservative MP Bill Cash said on BBC Newsnight that watching John Major's speech reminded him of watching an episode of Spitting image.
Former Tory leader Michael Howard also said on Newsnight that John Major used to complain about backseat driving from his predecessor Margaret Thatcher, and yet now John Major is guilty of backseat driving himself. Former Tory leader Ian Duncan Smith and leadership contender Jacob Rees Mogg also made some pretty disparaging remarks about John Major after his speech, seems John Major is losing friends fast in the Conservative party and has few and far between friends left on the government benches in Westminster. "And what have these great Tory statesmen achieved in their long political careers? Michael Howard and IDS both leaders of the party who achieved absolutely nothing! Neither lead their party to be first past the post - so failed - fact! Mogg is a relatively unknown in politics and has had such a privileged life has absolutely no comprehension of the "average man". Failed to get elected in Scotland as he canvassed in a poor area in his Bentley and nanny in tow! Bill Cash what has he done in politics other than look after his own interests? At least Major became PM, and fought and won an election as PM. Your backing losers!!! | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch What has Jacob Rees Mogg ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class?
He managed to get £7m from the government to repair his family's home, do you think you or I would get the same?
Naughty! You've been told about this before!
The Rees-Mogg family have had no legal connection with Wentworth Woodhouse since 1946. Continuing this lie does down the excellent efforts of the Preservation Trust and local MP John Healy, in trying to save this architectural gem for the nation.
It's not for the nation, it's not publically owned.
It's owned by the Preservation Trust, whose sole aim is to restore it. Any member of the public can get involved. It has now got a tie in with the National Trust, and visits have commenced.
JRM lives in West Harptree,near Bath.
Not owned by the nation, for the nation, yet still got £7m of tax payer money. It's disgraceful. Also, if you think that payment had nothing to do with the government trying to keep quiet a troublesome influential backbencher, then you are naive in the extreme.
And I had you down as someone on this forum who prided themselves in factual accuracy, and not to be taken in by lazy and inaccurate journalism.
But if want to hold that opinion to suit your agenda, then knock yourself out."In what respect am I factually incorrect? I state that the property is not in public hands, it's not owned by the state. You have agreed that is the case. | |||
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"‘There is little appetite to renegotiate the rules of the single market to satisfy a compromise crafted to placate a divided Conservative Party.’ - Guy Verhofstadt "he could see through the tories gossamer thin vaneer then | |||
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"I actually dont think the substance of Mays speech was terrible. Its moving the UK into a firmer stance on what it wants but still keeping the extremists on board. My expectations were quite low but this is a decent step forward. Acceptance that leaving key agencies is cutting off their nose to spite their faces is a solid step forward. Agreeing to pay a membership fee will smooth things in that area. I still feel that the Ukraine style deal is far and away Mays best hopes of getting a good deal and keeping herself in a job. The closer the Ukraine stays to the EUs regulations the more access they get and its regularly benchmarked. Its the fudge Britain needs to move forward, technically independent but obviously staying close to the EUs legal framework by choice in order to get market access." Being in Ireland, what do you believe will realistically happen with the borders you share with the UK? | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? Yes it does, it confirms and compounds that they don't have the first clue about the working classes. You only need to look at all of their records while in office and the devastating effects they overseen If anyone should be leading the negotiations then it should have been Nigel Farage or Jacob Rees-Mogg, they would have the bollocks to negotiate hard with the EU and not keep getting twisted into paying them more and more of our money to leave Bring on Brexit and let's kick these EU dictators into touch What has Jacob Rees Mogg ever said or done to make you think that he cares about the working class?
He managed to get £7m from the government to repair his family's home, do you think you or I would get the same?
Naughty! You've been told about this before!
The Rees-Mogg family have had no legal connection with Wentworth Woodhouse since 1946. Continuing this lie does down the excellent efforts of the Preservation Trust and local MP John Healy, in trying to save this architectural gem for the nation.
It's not for the nation, it's not publically owned.
It's owned by the Preservation Trust, whose sole aim is to restore it. Any member of the public can get involved. It has now got a tie in with the National Trust, and visits have commenced.
JRM lives in West Harptree,near Bath.
Not owned by the nation, for the nation, yet still got £7m of tax payer money. It's disgraceful. Also, if you think that payment had nothing to do with the government trying to keep quiet a troublesome influential backbencher, then you are naive in the extreme.
And I had you down as someone on this forum who prided themselves in factual accuracy, and not to be taken in by lazy and inaccurate journalism.
But if want to hold that opinion to suit your agenda, then knock yourself out.
In what respect am I factually incorrect? I state that the property is not in public hands, it's not owned by the state. You have agreed that is the case. "Since the house was sold over 30 years before JRM was even born, how can it be considered his "family home"? As in saved for the nation, I mean in the sense of "enjoyed by the nation" as are many privately stately homes owned by such bodies as the National Trust and English Heritage. | |||
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"I actually dont think the substance of Mays speech was terrible. Its moving the UK into a firmer stance on what it wants but still keeping the extremists on board. My expectations were quite low but this is a decent step forward. Acceptance that leaving key agencies is cutting off their nose to spite their faces is a solid step forward. Agreeing to pay a membership fee will smooth things in that area. I still feel that the Ukraine style deal is far and away Mays best hopes of getting a good deal and keeping herself in a job. The closer the Ukraine stays to the EUs regulations the more access they get and its regularly benchmarked. Its the fudge Britain needs to move forward, technically independent but obviously staying close to the EUs legal framework by choice in order to get market access. Being in Ireland, what do you believe will realistically happen with the borders you share with the UK?" Realistically Northern Ireland and Ireland are going to have regulatory alignment or whatever you want to call it. The end result will be that no border will be there and that people will be able to continue travelling and working and trading across the border without any real changes. Theres no real appetite anywhere for any upset to the balancing act thats in effect. The DUP were against the GFA but really werent that opposed to it. Every time Stormont falls they get it back up again because no one wants to take a step back to direct rule. Too many remember the violence and issues there and anyone whos spent time up there knows that many areas are fine and some areas just arent. And if the areas that arent are given an excuse they'll start trouble. | |||
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"Recent days have seen High profile interventions? If you're making reference to John Major then Conservative MP Bill Cash said on BBC Newsnight that watching John Major's speech reminded him of watching an episode of Spitting image.
Former Tory leader Michael Howard also said on Newsnight that John Major used to complain about backseat driving from his predecessor Margaret Thatcher, and yet now John Major is guilty of backseat driving himself. Former Tory leader Ian Duncan Smith and leadership contender Jacob Rees Mogg also made some pretty disparaging remarks about John Major after his speech, seems John Major is losing friends fast in the Conservative party and has few and far between friends left on the government benches in Westminster.
And what have these great Tory statesmen achieved in their long political careers?
Michael Howard and IDS both leaders of the party who achieved absolutely nothing! Neither lead their party to be first past the post - so failed - fact!
Mogg is a relatively unknown in politics and has had such a privileged life has absolutely no comprehension of the "average man". Failed to get elected in Scotland as he canvassed in a poor area in his Bentley and nanny in tow!
Bill Cash what has he done in politics other than look after his own interests?
At least Major became PM, and fought and won an election as PM. Your backing losers!!!"John Major backed and campaigned for Remain so it's John Major who is the loser in the context of what we're talking about here (Membership of the EU). All the politicians i referred to backed Leave and are winners in regard to the referendum. Major's speech was truly awful, full of nothing but bitterness, negativity, pessimism and scaremongering. Just like Blair he still hasn't come to terms with the decision the British people have made. | |||
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"I actually dont think the substance of Mays speech was terrible. Its moving the UK into a firmer stance on what it wants but still keeping the extremists on board. My expectations were quite low but this is a decent step forward. Acceptance that leaving key agencies is cutting off their nose to spite their faces is a solid step forward. Agreeing to pay a membership fee will smooth things in that area. I still feel that the Ukraine style deal is far and away Mays best hopes of getting a good deal and keeping herself in a job. The closer the Ukraine stays to the EUs regulations the more access they get and its regularly benchmarked. Its the fudge Britain needs to move forward, technically independent but obviously staying close to the EUs legal framework by choice in order to get market access. Being in Ireland, what do you believe will realistically happen with the borders you share with the UK? Realistically Northern Ireland and Ireland are going to have regulatory alignment or whatever you want to call it. The end result will be that no border will be there and that people will be able to continue travelling and working and trading across the border without any real changes. Theres no real appetite anywhere for any upset to the balancing act thats in effect. The DUP were against the GFA but really werent that opposed to it. Every time Stormont falls they get it back up again because no one wants to take a step back to direct rule. Too many remember the violence and issues there and anyone whos spent time up there knows that many areas are fine and some areas just arent. And if the areas that arent are given an excuse they'll start trouble." Hopefully a solution will be found! But as the UK want to take control of their borders surely the EU have the same right? The Norway Sweden border is rife for smugglers as will be the Irish border! Not as easy to solve as suggested. Technology exists but crooks will exploit every weakness. | |||
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"Recent days have seen High profile interventions? If you're making reference to John Major then Conservative MP Bill Cash said on BBC Newsnight that watching John Major's speech reminded him of watching an episode of Spitting image.
Former Tory leader Michael Howard also said on Newsnight that John Major used to complain about backseat driving from his predecessor Margaret Thatcher, and yet now John Major is guilty of backseat driving himself. Former Tory leader Ian Duncan Smith and leadership contender Jacob Rees Mogg also made some pretty disparaging remarks about John Major after his speech, seems John Major is losing friends fast in the Conservative party and has few and far between friends left on the government benches in Westminster.
And what have these great Tory statesmen achieved in their long political careers?
Michael Howard and IDS both leaders of the party who achieved absolutely nothing! Neither lead their party to be first past the post - so failed - fact!
Mogg is a relatively unknown in politics and has had such a privileged life has absolutely no comprehension of the "average man". Failed to get elected in Scotland as he canvassed in a poor area in his Bentley and nanny in tow!
Bill Cash what has he done in politics other than look after his own interests?
At least Major became PM, and fought and won an election as PM. Your backing losers!!!
John Major backed and campaigned for Remain so it's John Major who is the loser in the context of what we're talking about here (Membership of the EU). All the politicians i referred to backed Leave and are winners in regard to the referendum. Major's speech was truly awful, full of nothing but bitterness, negativity, pessimism and scaremongering. Just like Blair he still hasn't come to terms with the decision the British people have made. "I'm assuming you thought that May's speech today was inspiring then. Full of detailed ideas and clarity? | |||
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"What a load of waffle. I nearly spat my coffee out when she got to Point 4 of her plan. A modern, outward looking, inclusive country. Good luck with that now. So she wants us to have associate membership of all the agencies we’d lose access to and pay a fee to be part of. She wants us to have similar regulatory regime as the EU. And she wants a customs partnership that mimics what we already have. So, in short, she wants what we already have. What a pointless waste of time. -Matt" She doesn't want what we have now. We have free movement of people now, that will end with Brexit. We can't make our own trade deals now, and she said we must have the power to do our own trade deals with Brexit. The jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK will end with Brexit, and the UK Supreme court will take over as the final court in the UK with Brexit. Paying for access to some EU agencies will be significantly cheaper than the £9 billion plus we currently pay as a full member. So completely different to what we have now. | |||
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"What a load of waffle. I nearly spat my coffee out when she got to Point 4 of her plan. A modern, outward looking, inclusive country. Good luck with that now. So she wants us to have associate membership of all the agencies we’d lose access to and pay a fee to be part of. She wants us to have similar regulatory regime as the EU. And she wants a customs partnership that mimics what we already have. So, in short, she wants what we already have. What a pointless waste of time. -Matt She doesn't want what we have now. We have free movement of people now, that will end with Brexit. We can't make our own trade deals now, and she said we must have the power to do our own trade deals with Brexit. The jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK will end with Brexit, and the UK Supreme court will take over as the final court in the UK with Brexit. Paying for access to some EU agencies will be significantly cheaper than the £9 billion plus we currently pay as a full member. So completely different to what we have now. " Centaur, can you just explain a couple of your thoughts? Do you think that a trade deal with one country has any effect on trade deals with other countries? Do you know what other trade deals include full access to services? What do you think that the ECJ is for? What matters does it make decisions on? How much do you think that "access to EU agencies" will cost? Do you think that we will get to decide? | |||
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"I actually dont think the substance of Mays speech was terrible. Its moving the UK into a firmer stance on what it wants but still keeping the extremists on board. My expectations were quite low but this is a decent step forward. Acceptance that leaving key agencies is cutting off their nose to spite their faces is a solid step forward. Agreeing to pay a membership fee will smooth things in that area. I still feel that the Ukraine style deal is far and away Mays best hopes of getting a good deal and keeping herself in a job. The closer the Ukraine stays to the EUs regulations the more access they get and its regularly benchmarked. Its the fudge Britain needs to move forward, technically independent but obviously staying close to the EUs legal framework by choice in order to get market access. Being in Ireland, what do you believe will realistically happen with the borders you share with the UK? Realistically Northern Ireland and Ireland are going to have regulatory alignment or whatever you want to call it. The end result will be that no border will be there and that people will be able to continue travelling and working and trading across the border without any real changes. Theres no real appetite anywhere for any upset to the balancing act thats in effect. The DUP were against the GFA but really werent that opposed to it. Every time Stormont falls they get it back up again because no one wants to take a step back to direct rule. Too many remember the violence and issues there and anyone whos spent time up there knows that many areas are fine and some areas just arent. And if the areas that arent are given an excuse they'll start trouble. Hopefully a solution will be found! But as the UK want to take control of their borders surely the EU have the same right? The Norway Sweden border is rife for smugglers as will be the Irish border! Not as easy to solve as suggested. Technology exists but crooks will exploit every weakness. " If you allow me: In the Sweden-Norway border smuggling happens mostly because of the borders Norway shares with Russia. Ireland and Northern Ireland are part of the same island; it would be difficult to have the same level of smuggling. Anyway, a "no border" end result will benefit both countries and surely the rest of the UK. | |||
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"What a load of waffle. I nearly spat my coffee out when she got to Point 4 of her plan. A modern, outward looking, inclusive country. Good luck with that now. So she wants us to have associate membership of all the agencies we’d lose access to and pay a fee to be part of. She wants us to have similar regulatory regime as the EU. And she wants a customs partnership that mimics what we already have. So, in short, she wants what we already have. What a pointless waste of time. -Matt She doesn't want what we have now. We have free movement of people now, that will end with Brexit. We can't make our own trade deals now, and she said we must have the power to do our own trade deals with Brexit. The jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK will end with Brexit, and the UK Supreme court will take over as the final court in the UK with Brexit. Paying for access to some EU agencies will be significantly cheaper than the £9 billion plus we currently pay as a full member. So completely different to what we have now. " But will we have better terms - there is no guarantee our deals will be better? We have some control over freedom of movement and always have had since 2004 as a nation we haven't enforced the EU rules on freedom of movement. You have always said we pay nothing - not a penny. Now you have admitted we will pay for access - your going to have to change your name to "flip flop". | |||
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"close scrutiny of mrs maygabe's speech shows that she is actually underpinning all the prophecies made by the remain campaign that the brextremists labeled as project fear " No, you mustn't read it closely or apply any thought to it. Just praise and repeat. Praise and repeat | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? . . Yes indeed They were out of touch with the mass population of Brits . It required a referendum for the people of UK to vote in the masses with the overwhelming result to Leave the EU . No UK PM or serious political party can ignore this, apart from Lib Dems, but then again they are not considered serious by anyone They (with the exception of Brown, and arguably May) they were elected by the mass population of Brits, so that blows your argument out of the water. Also, the result wasn't overwhelming at all, it was won by a tiny majority, and far less that 50% of the electorate, let alone the country. " Which party has polled more than 50% of the electorate at a general election? | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? . . Yes indeed They were out of touch with the mass population of Brits . It required a referendum for the people of UK to vote in the masses with the overwhelming result to Leave the EU . No UK PM or serious political party can ignore this, apart from Lib Dems, but then again they are not considered serious by anyone They (with the exception of Brown, and arguably May) they were elected by the mass population of Brits, so that blows your argument out of the water. Also, the result wasn't overwhelming at all, it was won by a tiny majority, and far less that 50% of the electorate, let alone the country. Which party has polled more than 50% of the electorate at a general election?" False premise. There are more than two political parties to choose from. The referendum was binary. 50:50 was the minimum guaranteed outcome. | |||
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"I actually dont think the substance of Mays speech was terrible. Its moving the UK into a firmer stance on what it wants but still keeping the extremists on board. My expectations were quite low but this is a decent step forward. Acceptance that leaving key agencies is cutting off their nose to spite their faces is a solid step forward. Agreeing to pay a membership fee will smooth things in that area. I still feel that the Ukraine style deal is far and away Mays best hopes of getting a good deal and keeping herself in a job. The closer the Ukraine stays to the EUs regulations the more access they get and its regularly benchmarked. Its the fudge Britain needs to move forward, technically independent but obviously staying close to the EUs legal framework by choice in order to get market access. Being in Ireland, what do you believe will realistically happen with the borders you share with the UK?" Men with guns... Lots of guns | |||
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"What a load of waffle. I nearly spat my coffee out when she got to Point 4 of her plan. A modern, outward looking, inclusive country. Good luck with that now. So she wants us to have associate membership of all the agencies we’d lose access to and pay a fee to be part of. She wants us to have similar regulatory regime as the EU. And she wants a customs partnership that mimics what we already have. So, in short, she wants what we already have. What a pointless waste of time. -Matt She doesn't want what we have now. We have free movement of people now, that will end with Brexit. We can't make our own trade deals now, and she said we must have the power to do our own trade deals with Brexit. The jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK will end with Brexit, and the UK Supreme court will take over as the final court in the UK with Brexit. Paying for access to some EU agencies will be significantly cheaper than the £9 billion plus we currently pay as a full member. So completely different to what we have now. " Your post is factually wrong in a number of ways. If we can't make our own trade deals what has May just signed in China? The supreme court, or lords as was, delegated it's authority to the ECJ . And under WTO it loses its role completely in trade matters. Summary of May's speech: We want no FOM except for business, no SM but SM benefits, no CU but frictionless borders and trade autonomy, no ECJ but use of EU authorities, no hard border between NI and anywhere, an FTA in 6 months. Summary of the EU's answer: No. | |||
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"She wants the UK and the EU to remain close. She wants them to retain free and unhindered trade in goods and services. She wants no border on the island of Ireland. She wants the UK and the EU to have regulations that work in harmony. We already have all of this duh!!!!!!!!!!!" | |||
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"She wants the UK and the EU to remain close. She wants them to retain free and unhindered trade in goods and services. She wants no border on the island of Ireland. She wants the UK and the EU to have regulations that work in harmony. We already have all of this duh!!!!!!!!!!!" Are you cherry picking information there kinky? Heaven forbid anyone would do that eh.
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"She wants the UK and the EU to remain close. She wants them to retain free and unhindered trade in goods and services. She wants no border on the island of Ireland. She wants the UK and the EU to have regulations that work in harmony. We already have all of this duh!!!!!!!!!!! Are you cherry picking information there kinky? Heaven forbid anyone would do that eh.
What about all of the other strings attached that come with EU membership that the British people have rejected which you failed to mention? "So Centaur you will be wanting no deal eh and a hard brexit ? So how do you solve the Irish border eh ? | |||
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"She wants the UK and the EU to remain close. She wants them to retain free and unhindered trade in goods and services. She wants no border on the island of Ireland. She wants the UK and the EU to have regulations that work in harmony. We already have all of this duh!!!!!!!!!!! Are you cherry picking information there kinky? Heaven forbid anyone would do that eh.
What about all of the other strings attached that come with EU membership that the British people have rejected which you failed to mention?
So Centaur you will be wanting no deal eh and a hard brexit ?
So how do you solve the Irish border eh ?"I'd like to see a Brexit that works and lasts, which would be a free trade deal between the UK and the EU. A free trade deal which sees us out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union, which Theresa May outlined in her speech yesterday. If you want to call that a hard Brexit then yes that's what I'd like to see. The Irish border can be solved with the proposals Theresa May set out in her speech yesterday. | |||
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"She wants the UK and the EU to remain close. She wants them to retain free and unhindered trade in goods and services. She wants no border on the island of Ireland. She wants the UK and the EU to have regulations that work in harmony. We already have all of this duh!!!!!!!!!!! Are you cherry picking information there kinky? Heaven forbid anyone would do that eh.
What about all of the other strings attached that come with EU membership that the British people have rejected which you failed to mention?
So Centaur you will be wanting no deal eh and a hard brexit ?
So how do you solve the Irish border eh ?
I'd like to see a Brexit that works and lasts, which would be a free trade deal between the UK and the EU. A free trade deal which sees us out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union, which Theresa May outlined in her speech yesterday. If you want to call that a hard Brexit then yes that's what I'd like to see.
The Irish border can be solved with the proposals Theresa May set out in her speech yesterday. "She didnt offer a solution just yet more pointless rambling. Anyone who thinks that yesterday's speech went anywhere near solving the Irish border issue is being disingenuous at best | |||
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"She wants the UK and the EU to remain close. She wants them to retain free and unhindered trade in goods and services. She wants no border on the island of Ireland. She wants the UK and the EU to have regulations that work in harmony. We already have all of this duh!!!!!!!!!!! Are you cherry picking information there kinky? Heaven forbid anyone would do that eh.
What about all of the other strings attached that come with EU membership that the British people have rejected which you failed to mention?
So Centaur you will be wanting no deal eh and a hard brexit ?
So how do you solve the Irish border eh ?
I'd like to see a Brexit that works and lasts, which would be a free trade deal between the UK and the EU. A free trade deal which sees us out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union, which Theresa May outlined in her speech yesterday. If you want to call that a hard Brexit then yes that's what I'd like to see.
The Irish border can be solved with the proposals Theresa May set out in her speech yesterday.
She didnt offer a solution just yet more pointless rambling. Anyone who thinks that yesterday's speech went anywhere near solving the Irish border issue is being disingenuous at best"
She clearly has no clue claims she doesnt want a hard border on Ireland but claims she is all for leaving the single market and customs union
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"She wants the UK and the EU to remain close. She wants them to retain free and unhindered trade in goods and services. She wants no border on the island of Ireland. She wants the UK and the EU to have regulations that work in harmony. We already have all of this duh!!!!!!!!!!! Are you cherry picking information there kinky? Heaven forbid anyone would do that eh.
What about all of the other strings attached that come with EU membership that the British people have rejected which you failed to mention?
So Centaur you will be wanting no deal eh and a hard brexit ?
So how do you solve the Irish border eh ?
I'd like to see a Brexit that works and lasts, which would be a free trade deal between the UK and the EU. A free trade deal which sees us out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union, which Theresa May outlined in her speech yesterday. If you want to call that a hard Brexit then yes that's what I'd like to see.
The Irish border can be solved with the proposals Theresa May set out in her speech yesterday.
She didnt offer a solution just yet more pointless rambling. Anyone who thinks that yesterday's speech went anywhere near solving the Irish border issue is being disingenuous at best"Again, sounds like you (and kinky) didn't listen to the speech properly. It was quite a technical speech in some areas so maybe it was too complicated for you (and kinky) to understand. There were many proposals and possible solutions put forward in the speech that would address and solve many of the issues around the irish border. | |||
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"She wants the UK and the EU to remain close. She wants them to retain free and unhindered trade in goods and services. She wants no border on the island of Ireland. She wants the UK and the EU to have regulations that work in harmony. We already have all of this duh!!!!!!!!!!! Are you cherry picking information there kinky? Heaven forbid anyone would do that eh.
What about all of the other strings attached that come with EU membership that the British people have rejected which you failed to mention?
So Centaur you will be wanting no deal eh and a hard brexit ?
So how do you solve the Irish border eh ?
I'd like to see a Brexit that works and lasts, which would be a free trade deal between the UK and the EU. A free trade deal which sees us out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union, which Theresa May outlined in her speech yesterday. If you want to call that a hard Brexit then yes that's what I'd like to see.
The Irish border can be solved with the proposals Theresa May set out in her speech yesterday.
She didnt offer a solution just yet more pointless rambling. Anyone who thinks that yesterday's speech went anywhere near solving the Irish border issue is being disingenuous at best
Again, sounds like you (and kinky) didn't listen to the speech properly. It was quite a technical speech in some areas so maybe it was too complicated for you (and kinky) to understand. There were many proposals and possible solutions put forward in the speech that would address and solve many of the issues around the irish border."Remind us of these technical proposals and possible solutions..? | |||
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I'll try.
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Leaving the EU via Brexit will have consequences, job losses for instance.
Scotland goes independent,the consequences of that is that it too leaves the EU in the hardest terms.
No deal,therefore the same if not worse job losses than Brexit.
By going independent and leaving the UK, there will be further job losses.
As Scotlands trade with the rest of the UK is four times higher than with the EU, it would be safe to assume that it would be even more damaging than that caused by leaving the EU itself.
The question which you have not attempted to answer is, which of those two options is the least damaging to Scotland?
Brexit in UK or independence out of both the UK and EU?
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"She wants the UK and the EU to remain close. She wants them to retain free and unhindered trade in goods and services. She wants no border on the island of Ireland. She wants the UK and the EU to have regulations that work in harmony. We already have all of this duh!!!!!!!!!!! Are you cherry picking information there kinky? Heaven forbid anyone would do that eh.
What about all of the other strings attached that come with EU membership that the British people have rejected which you failed to mention?
So Centaur you will be wanting no deal eh and a hard brexit ?
So how do you solve the Irish border eh ?
I'd like to see a Brexit that works and lasts, which would be a free trade deal between the UK and the EU. A free trade deal which sees us out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union, which Theresa May outlined in her speech yesterday. If you want to call that a hard Brexit then yes that's what I'd like to see.
The Irish border can be solved with the proposals Theresa May set out in her speech yesterday.
She didnt offer a solution just yet more pointless rambling. Anyone who thinks that yesterday's speech went anywhere near solving the Irish border issue is being disingenuous at best"
As painful as it is to listen to her, especially when she pretty much says nothing at all - she's just spouted a lot of platitudes, repeated sound bites and seems to have overlooked the fact that with mere weeks to go, she needs to have provided explicit statements of her requirements to the EU, so that this phase of negotiations can be completed, in time for the autumn, when the EU 27 need to get agreement upon the offer and the UK sovereignty of parliament at least, with ideally their population too plus UK citizens living abroad - in particular, within the EU, can reject or accept the deal. | |||
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"the question is, what benefit is it to scotland being chained to the lead weight that england is after jumping into septic-tank of brexit? the two countries might well end up going down the shitter but then the fat carcass that is england will sink quicker and deeper. maybe it is time to let the scots fuck things up their own way rather than have others fuck things up for them." Lol, you seem to have forgotten that your own country Wales voted by majority to Leave the EU. | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? . . Yes indeed They were out of touch with the mass population of Brits . It required a referendum for the people of UK to vote in the masses with the overwhelming result to Leave the EU . No UK PM or serious political party can ignore this, apart from Lib Dems, but then again they are not considered serious by anyone They (with the exception of Brown, and arguably May) they were elected by the mass population of Brits, so that blows your argument out of the water. Also, the result wasn't overwhelming at all, it was won by a tiny majority, and far less that 50% of the electorate, let alone the country. Which party has polled more than 50% of the electorate at a general election? False premise. There are more than two political parties to choose from. The referendum was binary. 50:50 was the minimum guaranteed outcome." I could have sworn that what was said was that every PM "with the exception of Brown, and arguably May) they were elected by the mass population of Brits," | |||
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"Living Prime Minister's of the UK. Theresa May: campaigned against Brexit David Cameron: campaigned against Brexit Gordon Brown: campaigned against Brexit Tony Blair: campaigned against Brexit John Major: campaigned against Brexit Does that not tell you something? . . Yes indeed They were out of touch with the mass population of Brits . It required a referendum for the people of UK to vote in the masses with the overwhelming result to Leave the EU . No UK PM or serious political party can ignore this, apart from Lib Dems, but then again they are not considered serious by anyone They (with the exception of Brown, and arguably May) they were elected by the mass population of Brits, so that blows your argument out of the water. Also, the result wasn't overwhelming at all, it was won by a tiny majority, and far less that 50% of the electorate, let alone the country. Which party has polled more than 50% of the electorate at a general election? False premise. There are more than two political parties to choose from. The referendum was binary. 50:50 was the minimum guaranteed outcome. I could have sworn that what was said was that every PM "with the exception of Brown, and arguably May) they were elected by the mass population of Brits,"" The population voted en mass didn't they? They were elected by the democratic process that we have in place with a clear majority, unlike the current government. I may not have liked many of their policies, but nor did they make generational decisions based on party management. None of them were idiots and two of them produced the Northern Ireland peace agreement. Ended a decades long terrorist conflict. That impresses me at least. Your standards must be higher. 4% is a slim majority in the referendum and regardless of the semantics the greater than 50% polling is irrelevant in the context of a general election. | |||
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"Centaur, can you just explain a couple of your thoughts as you've failed to before? Do you think that a trade deal with one country has any effect on trade deals with other countries? Do you know what other trade deals include full access to services? What do you think that the ECJ is for? What matters does it make decisions on? How much do you think that "access to EU agencies" will cost? Do you think that we will get to decide?" Trade deals do have effects on trade deals with other countries. For instance our current trading arrangements with the EU prohibit us from doing bilateral trade deals with other countries. Just because a trade deal hasn't been done on services at present it doesn't mean one can't be done in future, there is a first time for everything. As Theresa May said in her speech if the EU think she is cherry picking, then all previous trade deals the EU has done are also guilty of cherry picking. The ECJ rules and passes judgement on EU law, as we're now leaving the EU we're no longer subject to EU law and no longer need to be subject to the jurisdiction of the ECJ. As for access to EU agencies brexit backing MP John Redwood talked about this on BBC Newsnight on Friday. He said that the UK government will look at the costs involved for various agencies and if its cheaper to create our own equivalent agency then that's what we'll do, so if the EU think they can charge us silly money for access to these agencies they can think again. Where it's cheaper to pay for access to an EU agency rather than create our own equivalent agency then that's what we'll do, and I think John Redwood and the government's approach to this is a sensible one. Also staying involved with some EU agencies/schemes was always going to be part of Brexit as the official vote Leave campaign said they may like to Continue to pay small fees to continue to be part of EU schemes like Erasmus and Horizon 20. | |||
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"Centaur, can you just explain a couple of your thoughts as you've failed to before? Do you think that a trade deal with one country has any effect on trade deals with other countries? Do you know what other trade deals include full access to services? What do you think that the ECJ is for? What matters does it make decisions on? How much do you think that "access to EU agencies" will cost? Do you think that we will get to decide? Trade deals do have effects on trade deals with other countries. For instance our current trading arrangements with the EU prohibit us from doing bilateral trade deals with other countries. Just because a trade deal hasn't been done on services at present it doesn't mean one can't be done in future, there is a first time for everything. As Theresa May said in her speech if the EU think she is cherry picking, then all previous trade deals the EU has done are also guilty of cherry picking. The ECJ rules and passes judgement on EU law, as we're now leaving the EU we're no longer subject to EU law and no longer need to be subject to the jurisdiction of the ECJ. As for access to EU agencies brexit backing MP John Redwood talked about this on BBC Newsnight on Friday. He said that the UK government will look at the costs involved for various agencies and if its cheaper to create our own equivalent agency then that's what we'll do, so if the EU think they can charge us silly money for access to these agencies they can think again. Where it's cheaper to pay for access to an EU agency rather than create our own equivalent agency then that's what we'll do, and I think John Redwood and the government's approach to this is a sensible one. Also staying involved with some EU agencies/schemes was always going to be part of Brexit as the official vote Leave campaign said they may like to Continue to pay small fees to continue to be part of EU schemes like Erasmus and Horizon 20. " You missed the point about trade deals. If we make any deal with any country, that has consequences for future deals. So, for example, if we accept GM crops from one country we surrender the ability to trade these crops with countries that don't want GM. Consequently we stop being "free" to do any deals that we want. There are always consequences. How many deals do we have to negotiate to replicate what we currently have via the EU? How long will it take and how much trade will be lost or restricted in the meantime? Why should we get as good a deal on our own? Why do you think that services are not included in trade deals? What happens if we don't manage to get one with anyone? What are the consequences? When we set up a treaty with other countries how will they be arbitrate? How much will it cost? Why is that any different to the ECJ? How much will it cost to set up our own agencies? Why should the EU allow us too join any of theirs? I don't care what John Redwood or any other Leave campaigner says that they want. They are all politicians. Why are they more reliable than any other politician? It's meaningless to offer them as any sort of evidence for any future outcome. Please stop unless you can quote an actual solution to any problem other than a demand, a hope or a promise. | |||
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"As Michael Heseltine has said, Theresa May said nothing, as many of us pointed out and that a handful of conservatives are holding a gun to her head, forcing the mess that we have. When conservatives are stating this for what it is, it's probably a fair assessment to conclude that those here who deny the cluster-fuck of Brexit are like the extremists in the party who have this incompetence to progress, lacking flexibility and the interests of the common good. " As far as Heseltine goes, to coin a phrase 'well he would say that wouldn't he'
He was fired by Theresa May as a government advisor a few months ago so he now has a personal vendetta against her.
He's a bitter old man who can't accept he lost the referendum, just like John Major and Tony Blair, yesterday's men. | |||
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"The EU is drafting concrete legal documents the UK government seems to be making speech after speech with little substance ie meaningless pish!!!" A draft is not a concrete document. Do you even understand what a draft document means? | |||
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"As Michael Heseltine has said, Theresa May said nothing, as many of us pointed out and that a handful of conservatives are holding a gun to her head, forcing the mess that we have. When conservatives are stating this for what it is, it's probably a fair assessment to conclude that those here who deny the cluster-fuck of Brexit are like the extremists in the party who have this incompetence to progress, lacking flexibility and the interests of the common good. " the fascists,the brextremists, the wets, the dumb nationers and all the other little gangs of idiots in the torys are just busy squabbling amongst themselves rather than doing their f**king job and getting the country out of the shitty mess they've left us in since the start of their banal social experiment of the thatcher years. these right wing cretins need to sort their f**king shit out pronto instead dragging the whole country into their sordid little shit pool of a 'tory party civil war', f**king morons | |||
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"As Michael Heseltine has said, Theresa May said nothing, as many of us pointed out and that a handful of conservatives are holding a gun to her head, forcing the mess that we have. When conservatives are stating this for what it is, it's probably a fair assessment to conclude that those here who deny the cluster-fuck of Brexit are like the extremists in the party who have this incompetence to progress, lacking flexibility and the interests of the common good. As far as Heseltine goes, to coin a phrase 'well he would say that wouldn't he'
He was fired by Theresa May as a government advisor a few months ago so he now has a personal vendetta against her.
He's a bitter old man who can't accept he lost the referendum, just like John Major and Tony Blair, yesterday's men. "Whatever vendetta he may have, he also has considerable government and political experience - but his comments reflect the massive internal conflict his conservative party is undergoing, whilst they drag the UK further into the mess that they started. The real conflict is within active MPs and ministers against the May, hence her almost complete lack of any substantial progress on brexit negotiations. | |||
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"As Michael Heseltine has said, Theresa May said nothing, as many of us pointed out and that a handful of conservatives are holding a gun to her head, forcing the mess that we have. When conservatives are stating this for what it is, it's probably a fair assessment to conclude that those here who deny the cluster-fuck of Brexit are like the extremists in the party who have this incompetence to progress, lacking flexibility and the interests of the common good. As far as Heseltine goes, to coin a phrase 'well he would say that wouldn't he'
He was fired by Theresa May as a government advisor a few months ago so he now has a personal vendetta against her.
He's a bitter old man who can't accept he lost the referendum, just like John Major and Tony Blair, yesterday's men.
Whatever vendetta he may have, he also has considerable government and political experience - but his comments reflect the massive internal conflict his conservative party is undergoing, whilst they drag the UK further into the mess that they started. The real conflict is within active MPs and ministers against the May, hence her almost complete lack of any substantial progress on brexit negotiations."It seems like you're not keeping up on current events very well. Theresa May's speech on Friday has been widely reported to have United the Remainers and Leavers in the Conservative party but more importantly the cabinet. All of the cabinet read the speech prior to release and gave it the seal of approval. So Remainers in cabinet like the Chancellor Philip Hammond and Home secretary Amber Rudd gave it the seal of approval before Friday. Sure there are a couple of disgruntled swivel eyed Euroloons on the conservative benches like Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke, they are a tiny minority amongst the Conservative MP's in Westminster who will never be placated and are best ignored. If you want to harp on about yesterday's men in the conservative party then former party leader Michael Howard and former cabinet minister Michael Portillo have been broadly supportive of Theresa May's speech as have former Tory chancellor's Norman Lamont and Nigel Lawson. Funny how these former Tory heavyweights who supported May's speech are not getting the headlines though. | |||
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"As Michael Heseltine has said, Theresa May said nothing, as many of us pointed out and that a handful of conservatives are holding a gun to her head, forcing the mess that we have. When conservatives are stating this for what it is, it's probably a fair assessment to conclude that those here who deny the cluster-fuck of Brexit are like the extremists in the party who have this incompetence to progress, lacking flexibility and the interests of the common good. As far as Heseltine goes, to coin a phrase 'well he would say that wouldn't he'
He was fired by Theresa May as a government advisor a few months ago so he now has a personal vendetta against her.
He's a bitter old man who can't accept he lost the referendum, just like John Major and Tony Blair, yesterday's men.
Whatever vendetta he may have, he also has considerable government and political experience - but his comments reflect the massive internal conflict his conservative party is undergoing, whilst they drag the UK further into the mess that they started. The real conflict is within active MPs and ministers against the May, hence her almost complete lack of any substantial progress on brexit negotiations.
It seems like you're not keeping up on current events very well. Theresa May's speech on Friday has been widely reported to have United the Remainers and Leavers in the Conservative party but more importantly the cabinet. All of the cabinet read the speech prior to release and gave it the seal of approval. So Remainers in cabinet like the Chancellor Philip Hammond and Home secretary Amber Rudd gave it the seal of approval before Friday. Sure there are a couple of disgruntled swivel eyed Euroloons on the conservative benches like Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke, they are a tiny minority amongst the Conservative MP's in Westminster who will never be placated and are best ignored.
If you want to harp on about yesterday's men in the conservative party then former party leader Michael Howard and former cabinet minister Michael Portillo have been broadly supportive of Theresa May's speech as have former Tory chancellor's Norman Lamont and Nigel Lawson. Funny how these former Tory heavyweights who supported May's speech are not getting the headlines though. "Erm sorry for this but it has united no one with anyone. Heseltine has led the charge. Lawson has already had his plans to race to the bottom rejected. Try again. | |||
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"As Michael Heseltine has said, Theresa May said nothing, as many of us pointed out and that a handful of conservatives are holding a gun to her head, forcing the mess that we have. When conservatives are stating this for what it is, it's probably a fair assessment to conclude that those here who deny the cluster-fuck of Brexit are like the extremists in the party who have this incompetence to progress, lacking flexibility and the interests of the common good. As far as Heseltine goes, to coin a phrase 'well he would say that wouldn't he'
He was fired by Theresa May as a government advisor a few months ago so he now has a personal vendetta against her.
He's a bitter old man who can't accept he lost the referendum, just like John Major and Tony Blair, yesterday's men.
Whatever vendetta he may have, he also has considerable government and political experience - but his comments reflect the massive internal conflict his conservative party is undergoing, whilst they drag the UK further into the mess that they started. The real conflict is within active MPs and ministers against the May, hence her almost complete lack of any substantial progress on brexit negotiations.
It seems like you're not keeping up on current events very well. Theresa May's speech on Friday has been widely reported to have United the Remainers and Leavers in the Conservative party but more importantly the cabinet. All of the cabinet read the speech prior to release and gave it the seal of approval. So Remainers in cabinet like the Chancellor Philip Hammond and Home secretary Amber Rudd gave it the seal of approval before Friday. Sure there are a couple of disgruntled swivel eyed Euroloons on the conservative benches like Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke, they are a tiny minority amongst the Conservative MP's in Westminster who will never be placated and are best ignored.
If you want to harp on about yesterday's men in the conservative party then former party leader Michael Howard and former cabinet minister Michael Portillo have been broadly supportive of Theresa May's speech as have former Tory chancellor's Norman Lamont and Nigel Lawson. Funny how these former Tory heavyweights who supported May's speech are not getting the headlines though. "Because these former "heavyweights " we're all failures: Michael Howard a poor choice for leader who was rejected by the people for pm. Michael Portillo lost his seat and found out he could make more money as a tv presenter. Norman Lamont took us into the ERM at a ridiculously high rate and broke the bank of England resulting in millions lost. Nigel Lawson currently residing in his chateau in France was the man who sold off all the "family silver" at bargain basement prices. You were probably just a kid when your heroes were doing "their best", but before you start putting forward heroes do some research! | |||
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"the right wing factions are completely at odds with each other at the moment ... across the the whole of the right wing spectrum there is division as none of them can agree on anything at all. It's just like a huge day-trip of nursery school children on crack who are stuck in groundhog day .... it's almost hilarious apart from the fact that they've managed to turn the country to shit in no time at all and are too fixated on trying to knife each other in the back to care." Lol, and I suppose you think the Labour party are the perfect model of unity over Brexit. The Labour party are hopelessly divided over Brexit. | |||
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"As Michael Heseltine has said, Theresa May said nothing, as many of us pointed out and that a handful of conservatives are holding a gun to her head, forcing the mess that we have. When conservatives are stating this for what it is, it's probably a fair assessment to conclude that those here who deny the cluster-fuck of Brexit are like the extremists in the party who have this incompetence to progress, lacking flexibility and the interests of the common good. As far as Heseltine goes, to coin a phrase 'well he would say that wouldn't he'
He was fired by Theresa May as a government advisor a few months ago so he now has a personal vendetta against her.
He's a bitter old man who can't accept he lost the referendum, just like John Major and Tony Blair, yesterday's men.
Whatever vendetta he may have, he also has considerable government and political experience - but his comments reflect the massive internal conflict his conservative party is undergoing, whilst they drag the UK further into the mess that they started. The real conflict is within active MPs and ministers against the May, hence her almost complete lack of any substantial progress on brexit negotiations.
It seems like you're not keeping up on current events very well. Theresa May's speech on Friday has been widely reported to have United the Remainers and Leavers in the Conservative party but more importantly the cabinet. All of the cabinet read the speech prior to release and gave it the seal of approval. So Remainers in cabinet like the Chancellor Philip Hammond and Home secretary Amber Rudd gave it the seal of approval before Friday. Sure there are a couple of disgruntled swivel eyed Euroloons on the conservative benches like Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke, they are a tiny minority amongst the Conservative MP's in Westminster who will never be placated and are best ignored.
If you want to harp on about yesterday's men in the conservative party then former party leader Michael Howard and former cabinet minister Michael Portillo have been broadly supportive of Theresa May's speech as have former Tory chancellor's Norman Lamont and Nigel Lawson. Funny how these former Tory heavyweights who supported May's speech are not getting the headlines though.
Because these former "heavyweights " we're all failures:
Michael Howard a poor choice for leader who was rejected by the people for pm.
Michael Portillo lost his seat and found out he could make more money as a tv presenter.
Norman Lamont took us into the ERM at a ridiculously high rate and broke the bank of England resulting in millions lost.
Nigel Lawson currently residing in his chateau in France was the man who sold off all the "family silver" at bargain basement prices. You were probably just a kid when your heroes were doing "their best", but before you start putting forward heroes do some research!"It's you who needs to do some research, try reading a history book. It was George Soros who broke the bank of England when he bet billions against the £ pound in the stock markets during the time Norman Lamont was chancellor. Also one of the business organisations that Remainers constantly praise, the CBI, we're very vocal supporters of going into the ERM, I don't see any criticism of the CBI from you though? If you're looking for chancellor's who sold things off at rock bottom prices, then look no further than Remainer and former Labour chancellor (and Prime minister) Gordon Brown who sold all of the 'family Gold' at rock bottom prices. | |||
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"No deal is the best deal" Yes it is the best deal to reduce our economy and quality of life. Just to keep a few 'bloody foreigners' out. Especially as those 'bloody foreigners' who work so hard and contribute so much tax revenue do so many of the low paid jobs here | |||
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"No deal is the best deal" The financial and other outcomes of which would be what? There would be no transition period for businesses or citizens in the case of offer rejection and leaving the EU, as the proposed transition period is based upon conclusion of the negotiations and agreed settlement of the terms. How quickly would businesses and jobs move overseas in the event of such a no deal? Or are you proposing rejection of the offer and continued membership of the EU? | |||
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"No deal is the best deal Yes it is the best deal to reduce our economy and quality of life. Just to keep a few 'bloody foreigners' out. Especially as those 'bloody foreigners' who work so hard and contribute so much tax revenue do so many of the low paid jobs here "and the irony is..... they will still blame those nasty EU folks for being so hard nosed if that happened.... the "blame the EU for all their woes" narrative will never end | |||
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"At least if we did just crash out of the EU on a no deal basis, it would be quick. That would mean we would be in a position to sign back up as Full Members quicker and actually get to have a say in matters
"It would also mean there would be no divorce bill payment from the uk, leaving a huge hole in the EU budget. | |||
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"At least if we did just crash out of the EU on a no deal basis, it would be quick. That would mean we would be in a position to sign back up as Full Members quicker and actually get to have a say in matters
It would also mean there would be no divorce bill payment from the uk, leaving a huge hole in the EU budget. "Well it would be a small hole. 40bn in world economics is tiny. That's why the Brexiters going on about saving us 6bn a year as members is laughable. Even for the UK it is a teeny tiny amount. Especially as the EU quite rightly put that forward to infrastructure projects in eastern Europe which had allowed alot more pan European trade. That's why we see so many Bulgarian, Romanian and Slovakian lorries here now. | |||
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"lol ... and now mrs maygabe is on the phone pleading with the orange faced turd like the snivelling shit she is, about the trade war he's moronically started this week .... the right wing is in utter disarray at a global level pmsl" At a global level? Are you really sure about that? The exit polls in today's Italian election suggest centre right and far right parties in Italy have done rather well. The anti establishment and eurosceptic 5 Star movement gaining the highest percentage of the poll, a clear rejection of the EU and the establishment from the people of Italy. The centre right Forza party lead by Silvio Berlusconi and the far right league party also doing quite well could form a coalition of the right, and so is also a rejection of the centre left in Italy. | |||
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"At least if we did just crash out of the EU on a no deal basis, it would be quick. That would mean we would be in a position to sign back up as Full Members quicker and actually get to have a say in matters
It would also mean there would be no divorce bill payment from the uk, leaving a huge hole in the EU budget.
Well it would be a small hole. 40bn in world economics is tiny. That's why the Brexiters going on about saving us 6bn a year as members is laughable. Even for the UK it is a teeny tiny amount. Especially as the EU quite rightly put that forward to infrastructure projects in eastern Europe which had allowed alot more pan European trade. That's why we see so many Bulgarian, Romanian and Slovakian lorries here now. "Our annual budget contribution is £9 billion a year not £6 billion according to figures from the official full fact website. | |||
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"At least if we did just crash out of the EU on a no deal basis, it would be quick. That would mean we would be in a position to sign back up as Full Members quicker and actually get to have a say in matters
It would also mean there would be no divorce bill payment from the uk, leaving a huge hole in the EU budget.
Well it would be a small hole. 40bn in world economics is tiny. That's why the Brexiters going on about saving us 6bn a year as members is laughable. Even for the UK it is a teeny tiny amount. Especially as the EU quite rightly put that forward to infrastructure projects in eastern Europe which had allowed alot more pan European trade. That's why we see so many Bulgarian, Romanian and Slovakian lorries here now.
Our annual budget contribution is £9 billion a year not £6 billion according to figures from the official full fact website. "Well if it is 9bn that is irrelevant. About 0.08% if our budget Woop De Do. But I thought it was 6bn after the rebate was applied. I apologise if I'm wrong on that. | |||
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"At least if we did just crash out of the EU on a no deal basis, it would be quick. That would mean we would be in a position to sign back up as Full Members quicker and actually get to have a say in matters
It would also mean there would be no divorce bill payment from the uk, leaving a huge hole in the EU budget.
Well it would be a small hole. 40bn in world economics is tiny. That's why the Brexiters going on about saving us 6bn a year as members is laughable. Even for the UK it is a teeny tiny amount. Especially as the EU quite rightly put that forward to infrastructure projects in eastern Europe which had allowed alot more pan European trade. That's why we see so many Bulgarian, Romanian and Slovakian lorries here now. "A small hole in the EU budget? Yet countries like Finland and Austria are already kicking up a fuss saying if their EU contributions go up to compensate for Britain's contributions after Brexit then it would be in their words "unbearable". | |||
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"At least if we did just crash out of the EU on a no deal basis, it would be quick. That would mean we would be in a position to sign back up as Full Members quicker and actually get to have a say in matters
It would also mean there would be no divorce bill payment from the uk, leaving a huge hole in the EU budget.
Well it would be a small hole. 40bn in world economics is tiny. That's why the Brexiters going on about saving us 6bn a year as members is laughable. Even for the UK it is a teeny tiny amount. Especially as the EU quite rightly put that forward to infrastructure projects in eastern Europe which had allowed alot more pan European trade. That's why we see so many Bulgarian, Romanian and Slovakian lorries here now.
A small hole in the EU budget? Yet countries like Finland and Austria are already kicking up a fuss saying if their EU contributions go up to compensate for Britain's contributions after Brexit then it would be in their words "unbearable". "If there was to be a small increase it would still be better for them than leaping lemming like off a cliff like we seem intent on doing. Having learnt a big lesson from us, they obviously aren't going to let a bunch of sick nazis who are frightened by a bunch of foreigners fuck up their countries. | |||
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" Our annual budget contribution is £9 billion a year not £6 billion according to figures from the official full fact website. " Actually centy... they are right and you are wrong... The budget contribution for next year would actually be much closer to £6bn than £9bn because of the slowdown of GDP and the devaluation of the £ caused by “you know what” and it would mean that our farmers and fishermen would be entitled to higher subsidies... So where 2017 price after rebates and comebacks would be about 7.5bn... the price for 18-19 is going to be about 6 to 6.5bn | |||
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"At least if we did just crash out of the EU on a no deal basis, it would be quick. That would mean we would be in a position to sign back up as Full Members quicker and actually get to have a say in matters
It would also mean there would be no divorce bill payment from the uk, leaving a huge hole in the EU budget.
Well it would be a small hole. 40bn in world economics is tiny. That's why the Brexiters going on about saving us 6bn a year as members is laughable. Even for the UK it is a teeny tiny amount. Especially as the EU quite rightly put that forward to infrastructure projects in eastern Europe which had allowed alot more pan European trade. That's why we see so many Bulgarian, Romanian and Slovakian lorries here now.
Our annual budget contribution is £9 billion a year not £6 billion according to figures from the official full fact website.
Well if it is 9bn that is irrelevant. About 0.08% if our budget Woop De Do. But I thought it was 6bn after the rebate was applied. I apologise if I'm wrong on that."Not to worry, you're only 50% out. Just think if the forecasting experts were even a couple of % out each year over their 15 year forecast, it would throw a completely different perspective on their predictions, one way or another. | |||
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"Centautr you missed the point about trade deals and try to offer simple answers to complex questioned your heroes. If we make any deal with any country, that has consequences for future deals. So, for example, if we accept GM crops from one country we surrender the ability to trade these crops with countries that don't want GM. Consequently we stop being "free" to do any deals that we want. There are always consequences. How many deals do we have to negotiate to replicate what we currently have via the EU? How long will it take and how much trade will be lost or restricted in the meantime? Why should we get as good a deal on our own? Why do you think that services are not included in trade deals? What happens if we don't manage to get one with anyone? What are the consequences? When we set up a treaty with other countries how will they be arbitrated? How much will it cost? Why is that any different to the ECJ? How much will it cost to set up our own agencies? Why should the EU allow us to join any of theirs? I don't care when John Redwood or any other Leave campaigner declares ehat they want. Saying something won't make it happen. They are all politicians. Why are they more reliable than any other politician? It's meaningless to offer them as any sort of evidence for any future outcome. Please stop unless you can quote an actual solution to any problem other than a demand, a hope or a promise." Century, these questions too hard? 
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"To be fair Easyuk I think the vast majority of leave voters most probably had no clue about the issues & consequences of voting leave to start with. I've not once seen a single good solution from a leaver that rectifies a problem brought about by Brexit. All they spout is about "Project fear" not happening while ignoring that growth has had the brakes applied to a spectacular degree, though while still growing slowly they ignore the large loss of growth. Bit like crashing your car into a barrier at 70mph only to end up free wheeling broken but still moving rolling forward at a crawl.... We're still moving forward is their view. We can trade with the rest of the world they also spout.... we trade with the world already while in the EU. That's yet another load of crap they say. Good luck getting anything bordering on a decent answer Easy." You have predicted correctly | |||
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