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NHS medication errors contribute to as many as 22,000 deaths a year

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

NHS medication errors contribute to as many as 22,000 deaths a year,

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The research, conducted by university academics in Manchester, Sheffield and York and published today, identified more than 230 million medication errors a year that took place in the NHS.

The report said: “We estimate that 61.4 million and 4.8 million errors occur in England per annum that have potential to cause moderate or severe harm, respectively.”

On average, 712 deaths a year were definitively linked to adverse drug reactions being the main cause of death.

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The number of deaths where medication errors played a part ranged from anything between 1,700 to 22,303.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Goes to show that medication in general is a bad idea/last resort in sorting your health out.

Pharma companies play down the litany of potential side effects and play up the benefits.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Goes to show that medication in general is a bad idea/last resort in sorting your health out.

Pharma companies play down the litany of potential side effects and play up the benefits.

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correct medication has proven to save life's

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester


"

Pharma companies play down the litany of potential side effects and play up the benefits.

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Although they cover their arses very carefully in the paperwork that comes with pills etc. I have a friend who was on heart medication, the notes included risk of everything from headache to death!

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton-on-Trent

Be interesting to see how many of those cases had overwork and stress as contributory factors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Goes to show that medication in general is a bad idea/last resort in sorting your health out.

Pharma companies play down the litany of potential side effects and play up the benefits.

correct medication has proven to save life's "

Hence why i said last resort

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Goes to show that medication in general is a bad idea/last resort in sorting your health out.

Pharma companies play down the litany of potential side effects and play up the benefits.

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No, it doesn't show that at all.

It shows that medication errors contribute to as many as 22,000 deaths a year.

Anything else is just wild conjecture.

-Matt

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Relatively small number compared to the premature deaths caused by our obsession with driving around in oil-burning motor cars and compelling people to breathe in the toxic emissions.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"Goes to show that medication in general is a bad idea/last resort in sorting your health out.

Pharma companies play down the litany of potential side effects and play up the benefits.

No, it doesn't show that at all.

It shows that medication errors contribute to as many as 22,000 deaths a year.

Anything else is just wild conjecture.

-Matt"

Exactly. Human error is present in all fields. This doesn't show that medication is inherently a bad idea.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

What a surprise, another NHS bash from the OP. Would you rather see a US style system?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reading what I can find of the report, the levels are 'no different from other high income countries of the world. Three in four errors would never harm patients, some may be picked up before reaching the patient but more research is needed to understand just how many that is'.

ADRs are random happenings and can't be avoided in a population but mistakes from.patients on multiple drug treatments can be hard to monitor. A country-wide electronic system would help enormity, both the highlight dispensed drugs a patient may already be on, or to highlight incompatibilities.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What a surprise, another NHS bash from the OP. Would you rather see a US style system? "

CLCC, its not a NHS bash, its fact, did you miss the news coverage, or are you simply burying your head in the sand saying its untrue

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"What a surprise, another NHS bash from the OP. Would you rather see a US style system?

CLCC, its not a NHS bash, its fact, did you miss the news coverage, or are you simply burying your head in the sand saying its untrue"

I saw some of the coverage, but we know your agenda.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What a surprise, another NHS bash from the OP. Would you rather see a US style system?

CLCC, its not a NHS bash, its fact, did you miss the news coverage, or are you simply burying your head in the sand saying its untrue

I saw some of the coverage, but we know your agenda."

again, are you denying this, saying it is untrue

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"What a surprise, another NHS bash from the OP. Would you rather see a US style system?

CLCC, its not a NHS bash, its fact, did you miss the news coverage, or are you simply burying your head in the sand saying its untrue

I saw some of the coverage, but we know your agenda.

again, are you denying this, saying it is untrue"

I've not said that it's untrue, but you haven't put the statistic into any kind of context to compare if that's a good or bad. If you read the article below, you will see the US is a comparably advanced county, with a population 5 times larger, yet numbers of deaths from medical mistakes 10 to 20 times higher than the ones you posted about the NHS.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What a surprise, another NHS bash from the OP. Would you rather see a US style system?

CLCC, its not a NHS bash, its fact, did you miss the news coverage, or are you simply burying your head in the sand saying its untrue

I saw some of the coverage, but we know your agenda.

again, are you denying this, saying it is untrue

I've not said that it's untrue, but you haven't put the statistic into any kind of context to compare if that's a good or bad. If you read the article below, you will see the US is a comparably advanced county, with a population 5 times larger, yet numbers of deaths from medical mistakes 10 to 20 times higher than the ones you posted about the NHS.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html"

what has USA got to do with "NHS medication errors contribute to as many as 22,000 deaths a year"

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"What a surprise, another NHS bash from the OP. Would you rather see a US style system?

CLCC, its not a NHS bash, its fact, did you miss the news coverage, or are you simply burying your head in the sand saying its untrue

I saw some of the coverage, but we know your agenda.

again, are you denying this, saying it is untrue

I've not said that it's untrue, but you haven't put the statistic into any kind of context to compare if that's a good or bad. If you read the article below, you will see the US is a comparably advanced county, with a population 5 times larger, yet numbers of deaths from medical mistakes 10 to 20 times higher than the ones you posted about the NHS.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

what has USA got to do with "NHS medication errors contribute to as many as 22,000 deaths a year""

Read my post that you have just quoted, and you'll understand.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Why are people surprised?

We have an NHS where beds are being continually cut, as are directly employed NHS staff who are being replaced by private contractors (who are purely driven by profit) and temporary agency staff who by their very nature do not know their patients, in an organisation where administrators and managers are continually looking to find savings to justify their jobs while there are over 30000 unfilled nursing and midwifary posts ( https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/23/nhs-england-recruitment-crisis-nursing-vacancies ) and 11800 unfilled doctors posts ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40715955 ).

So of course mistakes happen!

But don't worry the cunt of a health secretary has been awarded the ‘Humanitarian Award’ at the World Patient Safety Summit for his global leadership on patient safety for spending the last 8 years fucking up the NHS.

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield

22,000 deaths in the NHS but sadly Hunt the cunt isn't one of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since the level of mistakes is no different than in other high income countries, as I've posted, surely the focus should be on "What do we do to make this better?". It's not Hunt's fault, whatever else his failings are.j

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Since the level of mistakes is no different than in other high income countries, as I've posted, surely the focus should be on "What do we do to make this better?". It's not Hunt's fault, whatever else his failings are.j"

Unfortunately people only get the negative side. How many successful operations will the NHS perform? How many people say a simple thank you? More likely you would get "that's what they are paid to do".

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

If medical staff followed the rules already in place, and people read the instructions, and followed them, the figures would be much smaller.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When patients have complex medical needs, sorting out different drugs and crossover reactions to other drugs given, is a nightmare and that's where a lot of the problems lay.

It is compounded by patient records being misplaced or not retrievable, making concurrent drug use information not accessible.

Most of the mistakes were picked up before the patient received the drugs, some were not. Some of those, killed. It happens. It will always happen.

We all think we are individuals in a hospital but the reality is, we are not. We are the reason they exist and they exist to treat thousands of patients a week. There's only so much time a medical person can spend checking and concentrating on one patient; that's why errors are, and will always be, made.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby


"When patients have complex medical needs, sorting out different drugs and crossover reactions to other drugs given, is a nightmare and that's where a lot of the problems lay.

It is compounded by patient records being misplaced or not retrievable, making concurrent drug use information not accessible.

Most of the mistakes were picked up before the patient received the drugs, some were not. Some of those, killed. It happens. It will always happen.

We all think we are individuals in a hospital but the reality is, we are not. We are the reason they exist and they exist to treat thousands of patients a week. There's only so much time a medical person can spend checking and concentrating on one patient; that's why errors are, and will always be, made."

That's where IT should kick in, if you request a b and c and there's a known interaction, a warning is brought up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's what I said in my original post. Takes human error out that part. However, the IT is only as good as the human programming it and isn't infallible to unreported consequences

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"When patients have complex medical needs, sorting out different drugs and crossover reactions to other drugs given, is a nightmare and that's where a lot of the problems lay.

It is compounded by patient records being misplaced or not retrievable, making concurrent drug use information not accessible.

Most of the mistakes were picked up before the patient received the drugs, some were not. Some of those, killed. It happens. It will always happen.

We all think we are individuals in a hospital but the reality is, we are not. We are the reason they exist and they exist to treat thousands of patients a week. There's only so much time a medical person can spend checking and concentrating on one patient; that's why errors are, and will always be, made.

That's where IT should kick in, if you request a b and c and there's a known interaction, a warning is brought up.

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perhaps it is also down to the individual patient to be aware of the illness, the treatment and medication, its not rocket science and most who have capability of understanding should look fully into and research the illness they have, as well as medication given.

then you have the patients who are unable of self help and totally reliant on medical practitioners, this is where most worry kicks in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Google might just be your best buddy.....maybe.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Google might just be your best buddy.....maybe."

I would say Hospital medical library's are a better bet

easy to join and lots of information

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I admire your optimism in an age of immediacy.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"When patients have complex medical needs, sorting out different drugs and crossover reactions to other drugs given, is a nightmare and that's where a lot of the problems lay.

It is compounded by patient records being misplaced or not retrievable, making concurrent drug use information not accessible.

Most of the mistakes were picked up before the patient received the drugs, some were not. Some of those, killed. It happens. It will always happen.

We all think we are individuals in a hospital but the reality is, we are not. We are the reason they exist and they exist to treat thousands of patients a week. There's only so much time a medical person can spend checking and concentrating on one patient; that's why errors are, and will always be, made.

That's where IT should kick in, if you request a b and c and there's a known interaction, a warning is brought up.

perhaps it is also down to the individual patient to be aware of the illness, the treatment and medication, its not rocket science and most who have capability of understanding should look fully into and research the illness they have, as well as medication given.

then you have the patients who are unable of self help and totally reliant on medical practitioners, this is where most worry kicks in "

You hardly cover yourself in glory when it comes to research!

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