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How a fervent minority lead the majority

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

From Nassim Taleb's new book we see how any intolerent minority end up leading a laissez faire minority.

We can see this in action with the virulent spread of divisive and wrong feminist ideologies, better out than in for Britain and so on.

Worth nothing when you think to yourself...."what's the harm?"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Worth noting*

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Good book? It seems a plausible proposition

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Often the big societal changes come from minorities and long may it last.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

From Nassim Taleb's new book we see how any intolerent minority end up leading a laissez faire minority.

We can see this in action with the virulent spread of divisive and wrong feminist ideologies, better out than in for Britain and so on.

Worth nothing when you think to yourself...."what's the harm?"

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What do you mean by "wrong feminist ideologies"?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Ignorance of biochemistry when it comes to discussions involving socialisation, convincing relatively very well off women in the world that they never had it worse, bastardisation of statistics in the form of the "pay gap", promoting a culture of oversensitivity instead of self reliance and many more.

Directly relevant to the main point would be new rules on pronouns to cater to a tiny minority of genderfluid people. Seems harmless unless you know about the persuasive effect of small concessions.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Often the big societal changes come from minorities and long may it last. "

I didn't realise you were pro brexit

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Ignorance of biochemistry when it comes to discussions involving socialisation, convincing relatively very well off women in the world that they never had it worse, bastardisation of statistics in the form of the "pay gap", promoting a culture of oversensitivity instead of self reliance and many more.

Directly relevant to the main point would be new rules on pronouns to cater to a tiny minority of genderfluid people. Seems harmless unless you know about the persuasive effect of small concessions. "

Concessions to your male privilege, it sounds more like.

No-one ever gave up privilege willingly, and your post just illuminates that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Often the big societal changes come from minorities and long may it last.

I didn't realise you were pro brexit "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Often the big societal changes come from minorities and long may it last.

I didn't realise you were pro brexit "
I thought brexiters won the referendum are you suggesting it's a minority view...

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Often the big societal changes come from minorities and long may it last. "
No they start with a small group and become the majority that is how they happen unless you have war bloodshed famine etc and the minority take control through violence and cruelty.

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton

Yeah not sure I'm on board with the divisive and wrong Feminist bit.

Feminism on the whole is a good thing, as with anything it has it's bad parts and extreme fringes.

And the whole genderfluid pronoun thing is just people not indulging their own prejudices and being willing to adjust a minor learned behaviour so as not to be a dick to others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Often the big societal changes come from minorities and long may it last. No they start with a small group and become the majority that is how they happen unless you have war bloodshed famine etc and the minority take control through violence and cruelty."

The minority have had to always convert the majority to their way of thinking.The majority have always had to make the minority conform to their way of thinking.

The difference being conformity or conversion.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Clearly the original point wasn't understood (or even read?).

Not even entertaining the privilege nonsense.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Clearly the original point wasn't understood (or even read?).

Not even entertaining the privilege nonsense. "

I think it was...

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton


"Clearly the original point wasn't understood (or even read?).

Not even entertaining the privilege nonsense. "

It was. But think you missed the point yourself with your feminist comment.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Did I?

There is the fervent minority for sure

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Did I?

There is the fervent minority for sure"

There is, although amusingly they don't always see themselves that way....

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton


"Did I?

There is the fervent minority for sure"

Yes you did. I think what confused you is the term "intolerant", which is seen today more often as a negative trait and term of abuse with regard to people's views.

But the writer of that piece meant it in the sense of rigid beliefs. That in complex social systems a small number of people with rigid beliefs can change the whole thing.

He illustrated it in the paragraph where he talks about science. If it weren't for intolerant scientists who weren't willing to accept the status quo, then we'd still be living in the dark ages believing the world was flat and the sun orbits the earth.

But you've obviously jumped on the word in the headline and associated it with an agenda you clearly don't like, then entirely misunderstood the point of the piece.

Go read it again but leave any agenda behind when you do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

No I've read the entire book and understood the point well. .it's an effect that can be positive or negative case dependent.

A rigid belief in patriarcial theory perhaps

I think it's very apt because on the face it people think...feminism...yeah I support that...who doesn't want equality? A sensible position if you are unaware of the rabid extremeists operating at the core of modern feminism.

Why can't we just have egalitarianism?

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton

Well we can debate whether there is still a patriarchy if you like! But that's a different thread. And as a trans person I have my own issues with the TERF side of the arguments.

I'd be all for an egalitarian society, but unfortunately human selfishness and tribalism will always get in the way.

But I think on the whole the drives by intolerant minorities have made things better in society rather than worse.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

From Nassim Taleb's new book we see how any intolerent minority end up leading a laissez faire minority.

We can see this in action with the virulent spread of divisive and wrong feminist ideologies, better out than in for Britain and so on.

Worth nothing when you think to yourself...."what's the harm?"

"

The basis of this comment is fine.

By definition a minority must start any process of change.

The test is if this minority effect change but remain a minority imposing their will on everybody else. In general this might not be considered a good outcome. If they change everyone's mind such that this becomes the majority view then, in general, this might be considered positive.

That assumes a neutral view on what this change is.

I think that what is proving to be controversial is your assertion that feminism is "bad". Following this up by implying that middle class western women are being made to,feel dissatisfied with a blissful existence was not helpful either.

How are you defining feminism? Do you think that men and women are equally treated in any society? Do you think that trying to change society both in the west and the rest of the world is a bad thing?

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