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"I am saying that of the two options, independence, outside both the EU and the UK single markets would be more damaging to the Scottish economy than Brexit and staying within the UK. I will repeat it again if you ask me that again. " Though i am actually not asking about independence right now I am asking you if a hard brexit happens are you willing to see damage to Scotland ? Just to see where your mindset is | |||
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"I am talking about independence in comparison to Brexit. I know your mindset. " Again i am not talking about independence I am simply ask you if a hard brexit happens are you willing to see Scotland damaged ? | |||
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"I am talking about independence in comparison to Brexit. I know your mindset. Again i am not talking about independence I am simply ask you if a hard brexit happens are you willing to see Scotland damaged ? " What's the point of saying "willingly see damage to Scotland" though if there is no alternative kinky? If the UK is leaving the EU & all it's mechanisms then there will be damage to all 4 nations. | |||
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"Right so Ticklybit you are saying you will actually accept damage to Scotland with a hard brexit " Right so Kinky are you willing to see damage done to Scotland with an independence vote to leave the UK? | |||
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"Kinky. You've had over 500 posts on the last couple of weeks to state your case. You've been asked perfectly reasonable questions on how an independent Scotland would function. Your responses have varied from no answers to absolute gibberish that a 5 year old would be ashamed of. No evidence, no facts and figures, nothing. I believe that you have absolutely no idea, not an iota on an independent Scotland. Your modus operandi is to just blame everyone else, and do it in that thinly veiled xenophobic style that you have perfected. You are on a path of "independence transcends all". You harp on about a "hard Brexit" but refuse to even acknowledge the alternative, an even "harder Scotexit"." Whats is the solution then to make Scotland doesnt face damage at the result of a hard brexit ? I know you dont agree with me on independence abd you think leave Scotland worse of leaving the UK thats fair enough thats your opinion sooo lets here you on how Scotland can avoid being damaged in a UK hard brexit ? You value Scotland in the UK right ok prove it | |||
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"Kinky. You've had over 500 posts on the last couple of weeks to state your case. You've been asked perfectly reasonable questions on how an independent Scotland would function. Your responses have varied from no answers to absolute gibberish that a 5 year old would be ashamed of. No evidence, no facts and figures, nothing. I believe that you have absolutely no idea, not an iota on an independent Scotland. Your modus operandi is to just blame everyone else, and do it in that thinly veiled xenophobic style that you have perfected. You are on a path of "independence transcends all". You harp on about a "hard Brexit" but refuse to even acknowledge the alternative, an even "harder Scotexit". Whats is the solution then to make Scotland doesnt face damage at the result of a hard brexit ? I know you dont agree with me on independence abd you think leave Scotland worse of leaving the UK thats fair enough thats your opinion sooo lets here you on how Scotland can avoid being damaged in a UK hard brexit ? You value Scotland in the UK right ok prove it " You will have to do what the rest of the UK will have to do. Set your stall out on trade, embrace new opportunities and open yourself upto the world. You will get new devolved powers and it will be up to Scotland how it uses them. No one has ever said that it will be easy, but the decision has been democratically made. I can't change it, you can't change it, and just standing around moaning about it isn't going to change it either. | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? " Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. " Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? | |||
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"Kinky. You've had over 500 posts on the last couple of weeks to state your case. You've been asked perfectly reasonable questions on how an independent Scotland would function. Your responses have varied from no answers to absolute gibberish that a 5 year old would be ashamed of. No evidence, no facts and figures, nothing. I believe that you have absolutely no idea, not an iota on an independent Scotland. Your modus operandi is to just blame everyone else, and do it in that thinly veiled xenophobic style that you have perfected. You are on a path of "independence transcends all". You harp on about a "hard Brexit" but refuse to even acknowledge the alternative, an even "harder Scotexit". Whats is the solution then to make Scotland doesnt face damage at the result of a hard brexit ? I know you dont agree with me on independence abd you think leave Scotland worse of leaving the UK thats fair enough thats your opinion sooo lets here you on how Scotland can avoid being damaged in a UK hard brexit ? You value Scotland in the UK right ok prove it You will have to do what the rest of the UK will have to do. Set your stall out on trade, embrace new opportunities and open yourself upto the world. You will get new devolved powers and it will be up to Scotland how it uses them. No one has ever said that it will be easy, but the decision has been democratically made. I can't change it, you can't change it, and just standing around moaning about it isn't going to change it either." So you dont value Scotland what person honestly says just make the best of being serious damaged and the hands of something you didnt even vote for No no Scotland will get to decide its own future Nbody outside of Scotland has a right to try and dictate terms to to decide our future | |||
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"Kinky. You've had over 500 posts on the last couple of weeks to state your case. You've been asked perfectly reasonable questions on how an independent Scotland would function. Your responses have varied from no answers to absolute gibberish that a 5 year old would be ashamed of. No evidence, no facts and figures, nothing. I believe that you have absolutely no idea, not an iota on an independent Scotland. Your modus operandi is to just blame everyone else, and do it in that thinly veiled xenophobic style that you have perfected. You are on a path of "independence transcends all". You harp on about a "hard Brexit" but refuse to even acknowledge the alternative, an even "harder Scotexit". Whats is the solution then to make Scotland doesnt face damage at the result of a hard brexit ? I know you dont agree with me on independence abd you think leave Scotland worse of leaving the UK thats fair enough thats your opinion sooo lets here you on how Scotland can avoid being damaged in a UK hard brexit ? You value Scotland in the UK right ok prove it You will have to do what the rest of the UK will have to do. Set your stall out on trade, embrace new opportunities and open yourself upto the world. You will get new devolved powers and it will be up to Scotland how it uses them. No one has ever said that it will be easy, but the decision has been democratically made. I can't change it, you can't change it, and just standing around moaning about it isn't going to change it either. So you dont value Scotland what person honestly says just make the best of being serious damaged and the hands of something you didnt even vote for No no Scotland will get to decide its own future Nbody outside of Scotland has a right to try and dictate terms to to decide our future " Kinky there is no right answer for you. I am convinced you have no idea yourself to be honest. Again I believe you will get your referendum and I believe you will get your hearst desire and leave the UK. You will go down the route of the Norway deal which will keep you in the single market. However you will have to pay to be in that club and not just with cash, There will be an open door policy on people movement. And you will not have a vote also you will have to comply with all their rules and regulations. I am pretty sure there is a lot I have missed out. I am also sure this is what you want. I would like to know though how long will it take for all this to happen, and will you be able to survive that time in limbo. | |||
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"Kinky. You've had over 500 posts on the last couple of weeks to state your case. You've been asked perfectly reasonable questions on how an independent Scotland would function. Your responses have varied from no answers to absolute gibberish that a 5 year old would be ashamed of. No evidence, no facts and figures, nothing. I believe that you have absolutely no idea, not an iota on an independent Scotland. Your modus operandi is to just blame everyone else, and do it in that thinly veiled xenophobic style that you have perfected. You are on a path of "independence transcends all". You harp on about a "hard Brexit" but refuse to even acknowledge the alternative, an even "harder Scotexit". Whats is the solution then to make Scotland doesnt face damage at the result of a hard brexit ? I know you dont agree with me on independence abd you think leave Scotland worse of leaving the UK thats fair enough thats your opinion sooo lets here you on how Scotland can avoid being damaged in a UK hard brexit ? You value Scotland in the UK right ok prove it " I have replied to this and that is to invest in the Scottish economy. As the snp has not managed this successfully up to now I won't hold my breath. Please kinky don't drone on about the Scots don't have the power. | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? " Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. " Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ? | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ?" No idea, what difference does it make? Ever heard of cabinet responsibly? | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ? No idea, what difference does it make? Ever heard of cabinet responsibly? " What difference does it make ? Hello!!!! He is the Scottish secretary of state So CLCC what is the job of the Scottish secrectary of state again ? | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ? No idea, what difference does it make? Ever heard of cabinet responsibly? What difference does it make ? Hello!!!! He is the Scottish secretary of state So CLCC what is the job of the Scottish secrectary of state again ?" There were many members of the cabinet there, we're any of the issues discussed specific to Scotland? What was the outcome of the meeting, and how would it have been different if he had been in the room? Did he send his apologies and thoughts on a specific aspect before hand? You have no idea on any of these. | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ?" David Mundell is not part of the inner cabinet team tasked with Brexit. That's why he wasn't there, nor were any SoS's of devolved regions. | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ? David Mundell is not part of the inner cabinet team tasked with Brexit. That's why he wasn't there, nor were any SoS's of devolved regions." Lmao So nothing wrong with that then ? Remember Scotland is part of the this Uk di you forget that ? | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ? David Mundell is not part of the inner cabinet team tasked with Brexit. That's why he wasn't there, nor were any SoS's of devolved regions. Lmao So nothing wrong with that then ? Remember Scotland is part of the this Uk di you forget that ?" Why not have every Tom, Dick and Harry there? I'm sure you are aware of how Information Chains work, both upwards and downwards. | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ? David Mundell is not part of the inner cabinet team tasked with Brexit. That's why he wasn't there, nor were any SoS's of devolved regions. Lmao So nothing wrong with that then ? Remember Scotland is part of the this Uk di you forget that ? Why not have every Tom, Dick and Harry there? I'm sure you are aware of how Information Chains work, both upwards and downwards." Wow just wow what do you have against Scotland ,Wales and NI secrectary of states being in the brexit meeting ? Are we not to be represented now ? Mundell should have been there and then we the people can hold him to account What is the job of the secrectary of state for Scotland ? | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ? David Mundell is not part of the inner cabinet team tasked with Brexit. That's why he wasn't there, nor were any SoS's of devolved regions. Lmao So nothing wrong with that then ? Remember Scotland is part of the this Uk di you forget that ? Why not have every Tom, Dick and Harry there? I'm sure you are aware of how Information Chains work, both upwards and downwards. Wow just wow what do you have against Scotland ,Wales and NI secrectary of states being in the brexit meeting ? Are we not to be represented now ? Mundell should have been there and then we the people can hold him to account What is the job of the secrectary of state for Scotland ?" Again, if you don't like the answers, then don't ask the questions. Decisions being made at that meeting concern the whole UK. It was a UK wide referendum, remember? I'm sure that the devolved regions will be involved as the process evolves. | |||
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"Corbyn as leader of the Labour party, represents Labour voters, a much bigger demographic than the population of Scotland. He wasn't at the meeting either. " He is not in government duh!!!!!! | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ?" Where was every single snp Mp when the budget went through ?? Representing Scotland? ? One thought !! All missing !!! | |||
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"Anyone genuinely tell me who is suppose to be representing Scotland in these brexit talks ? Oh how I know you will hate this answer! The UK Government. Lmao You wanna go with that ? Ok fine CLCC then where was the Scottish secretary of state David Mundell last night ? Yes, the UK Government is representing me, you, Scotland, the farmers, the fishermen, the car industry, the intelligence community, men, women, children, all of us. There is only one UK government, they took us into the EU (and predecessor organisations), and they are taking us out. You might not think they are the RIGHT people to be doing it, that's fine, you can argue who you think SHOULD be representing you and me and everyone else, but you can't say that the UK government isn't the ones who are currently holding the negotiations, as they are. Where was the Scottish secretary of state in that meeting last night ? No idea, what difference does it make? Ever heard of cabinet responsibly? What difference does it make ? Hello!!!! He is the Scottish secretary of state So CLCC what is the job of the Scottish secrectary of state again ?" Was he not meeting the snp as they have almost come to an agreement on brexit !! | |||
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"Lets try and make this fun eh The secretary of state Scotland his job is to represent Scotland correct ? Scotland is part of the UK correct ? So why are people on here from outside of Scotland not wanting Scotland represented in the brext meeting last night ? Again sure as hell sounds like some on here do NOT value Scotland and woukd rather we shut the hell up " Sounds like you don’t value the UK, or the fact that they represent the entire country, like it or not. | |||
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"Lets try and make this fun eh The secretary of state Scotland his job is to represent Scotland correct ? Scotland is part of the UK correct ? So why are people on here from outside of Scotland not wanting Scotland represented in the brext meeting last night ? Again sure as hell sounds like some on here do NOT value Scotland and woukd rather we shut the hell up Sounds like you don’t value the UK, or the fact that they represent the entire country, like it or not." Correct now that i have answered yours Try answering mine I notice a trend going on people on here demand i answer them but wont answer ny questions | |||
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"Lets try and make this fun eh The secretary of state Scotland his job is to represent Scotland correct ? Scotland is part of the UK correct ? So why are people on here from outside of Scotland not wanting Scotland represented in the brext meeting last night ? Again sure as hell sounds like some on here do NOT value Scotland and woukd rather we shut the hell up Sounds like you don’t value the UK, or the fact that they represent the entire country, like it or not. Correct now that i have answered yours Try answering mine I notice a trend going on people on here demand i answer them but wont answer ny questions " Are you serious! I've left a few serious questions for you on your last three threads, most ignored. | |||
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"The secertary of state for Scotland his job is to respresent Scotland correct ?" And he has been busy negotiating with the snp. He was on the radio this morning talking about the progress that has been made !!! | |||
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"The secertary of state for Scotland his job is to respresent Scotland correct ?" His job is to provide that link between the UK Government and Scotland. That link takes many forms. | |||
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"The secertary of state for Scotland his job is to respresent Scotland correct ? His job is to provide that link between the UK Government and Scotland. That link takes many forms. " His job is to represent Scotland correct ? | |||
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"The secertary of state for Scotland his job is to respresent Scotland correct ? His job is to provide that link between the UK Government and Scotland. That link takes many forms. His job is to represent Scotland correct ?" No, not entirely. He represents Scotland in reserved matters only. The Scottish Government represents Scotland in devolved matters. | |||
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"The secertary of state for Scotland his job is to respresent Scotland correct ? His job is to provide that link between the UK Government and Scotland. That link takes many forms. His job is to represent Scotland correct ? No, not entirely. He represents Scotland in reserved matters only. The Scottish Government represents Scotland in devolved matters." Yes duh Ok you wanna play that game So you kinda admited he represents Scotland at UK level So now move on is Scotland in the UK ? Nice and easy question for you | |||
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"The secertary of state for Scotland his job is to respresent Scotland correct ? His job is to provide that link between the UK Government and Scotland. That link takes many forms. His job is to represent Scotland correct ? No, not entirely. He represents Scotland in reserved matters only. The Scottish Government represents Scotland in devolved matters. Yes duh Ok you wanna play that game So you kinda admited he represents Scotland at UK level So now move on is Scotland in the UK ? Nice and easy question for you " If you want to play with crayons, then go ahead. If you want serious political debate, then wise up. You've been given the reasons why David Mundell wasn't at the Brexit summit yesterday. They aren't matters of opinion but facts. Whether you like those facts or not, I couldn't care less. | |||
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"Corbyn as leader of the Labour party, represents Labour voters, a much bigger demographic than the population of Scotland. He wasn't at the meeting either. He is not in government duh!!!!!!" It wasn't a whole government meeting. Duh!!!!!!!! | |||
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"I am saying that of the two options, independence, outside both the EU and the UK single markets would be more damaging to the Scottish economy than Brexit and staying within the UK. I will repeat it again if you ask me that again. Though i am actually not asking about independence right now I am asking you if a hard brexit happens are you willing to see damage to Scotland ? Just to see where your mindset is " I have got to stabd up for _icklybit here as you are asking an unanswerable question as quite simply there is no scenario without damage to scotland | |||
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"The main role of the Scottish Secretary is to promote and protect the devolution settlement. Other responsibilities include promoting partnership between the UK government and the Scottish government, and relations between the two Parliaments. It would seem you are making things up again! Some would accuse you of lying for doing that, but I won't. " Ok then what powers that are already devolved will come back to Holyrood post brexit ? And when will they come back time period please ? What non devolved powers in this great powers bonaza that Mundell said will Scotland be getting ? Remember back in 2014 when all the no voters were demanding you know everything about an independent Scotland shoes on the other foot now ? Dont like it do you | |||
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"Corbyn as leader of the Labour party, represents Labour voters, a much bigger demographic than the population of Scotland. He wasn't at the meeting either. He is not in government duh!!!!!! It wasn't a whole government meeting. Duh!!!!!!!!" Brexit effects the while UK correct ? So you telling me you dont want Scotland represented in the brexit meeting ? | |||
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"I am saying that of the two options, independence, outside both the EU and the UK single markets would be more damaging to the Scottish economy than Brexit and staying within the UK. I will repeat it again if you ask me that again. Though i am actually not asking about independence right now I am asking you if a hard brexit happens are you willing to see damage to Scotland ? Just to see where your mindset is I have got to stabd up for _icklybit here as you are asking an unanswerable question as quite simply there is no scenario without damage to scotland" So sit back and watch Scotland damaged thats what you all saying So dont dare say you care about Scotland then as its not true I keep hearing we dont wanna see Scotland damaged but you all ready admitting you will accept it | |||
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"Kinky. You've had over 500 posts on the last couple of weeks to state your case. You've been asked perfectly reasonable questions on how an independent Scotland would function. Your responses have varied from no answers to absolute gibberish that a 5 year old would be ashamed of. No evidence, no facts and figures, nothing. I believe that you have absolutely no idea, not an iota on an independent Scotland. Your modus operandi is to just blame everyone else, and do it in that thinly veiled xenophobic style that you have perfected. You are on a path of "independence transcends all". You harp on about a "hard Brexit" but refuse to even acknowledge the alternative, an even "harder Scotexit"." A well reasoned and thoughtful post. He ignored it. I'm a mental health first aider at work, if Kinks behaved as he does here, at work, I'm pretty sure I'd be asked if we should be worried about his behaviour. If I wasn't a mental health first aider I'd simply say he's an ignorant ill informed knob. | |||
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"The main role of the Scottish Secretary is to promote and protect the devolution settlement. Other responsibilities include promoting partnership between the UK government and the Scottish government, and relations between the two Parliaments. It would seem you are making things up again! Some would accuse you of lying for doing that, but I won't. Ok then what powers that are already devolved will come back to Holyrood post brexit ? And when will they come back time period please ? What non devolved powers in this great powers bonaza that Mundell said will Scotland be getting ? Remember back in 2014 when all the no voters were demanding you know everything about an independent Scotland shoes on the other foot now ? Dont like it do you " As mundell was on the radio that have agreed over 80 powers out of a hundred and something. The rest of the powers are more uk wide or will be devoled later as the affect the whole of the UK. The example he have was good labeling. | |||
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"Its as though your trying to trap Scotland into staying in a UK hard brexit Ohhh please please Scotland dont leave us on our own we need your money What has Scotland no right to decide its own future ?" No one is trying to do that. You're a part of the UK. It was a UK vote, not a regional one. As I believe has been stated many times on your various threads. And you act like we actually all get a monthly direct debit into our bank accounts with Scotland's money. How many times will you go on about this? | |||
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Leaving the EU via Brexit will have consequences, job losses for instance.
Scotland goes independent,the consequences of that is that it too leaves the EU in the hardest terms.
No deal,therefore the same if not worse job losses than Brexit.
By going independent and leaving the UK, there will be further job losses.
As Scotlands trade with the rest of the UK is four time higher than with the EU, it would be safe to assume that it would be even more damaging than that caused by leaving the EU itself.
The question which you have not attempted to answer is, which of those two options is the least damaging to Scotland?
Brexit in UK or independence out of both the UK and EU?
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"Its as though your trying to trap Scotland into staying in a UK hard brexit Ohhh please please Scotland dont leave us on our own we need your money What has Scotland no right to decide its own future ? No one is trying to do that. You're a part of the UK. It was a UK vote, not a regional one. As I believe has been stated many times on your various threads. And you act like we actually all get a monthly direct debit into our bank accounts with Scotland's money. How many times will you go on about this? So Scotland didnt vote by 62% majority to remain in the EU now ? " (Beats head against wall) It. Was. A. UK. Wide. Vote. Not. A. Regional. One. Am I not saying it right? Anyone? | |||
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"And i am asking you did Scotland vote by 62% majority to renain part of the EU ? How hard is that Did Scottish people not vot in the EU referendum now ? Lol Scotland voted - remain England voted - leave Wales voted - leave N Ireland voted - remain Which part have i got wrong ? " And the UK as a whole, in an UK referendum, voted Leave. Correct Kinky? | |||
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"And i am asking you did Scotland vote by 62% majority to renain part of the EU ? How hard is that Did Scottish people not vot in the EU referendum now ? Lol Scotland voted - remain England voted - leave Wales voted - leave N Ireland voted - remain Which part have i got wrong ? And the UK as a whole, in an UK referendum, voted Leave. Correct Kinky?" Answer mine first What fuck is this you demanded a grown up debate fine Then answer my questions stop damn well deflecting | |||
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"And i am asking you did Scotland vote by 62% majority to renain part of the EU ? How hard is that Did Scottish people not vot in the EU referendum now ? Lol Scotland voted - remain England voted - leave Wales voted - leave N Ireland voted - remain Which part have i got wrong ? And the UK as a whole, in an UK referendum, voted Leave. Correct Kinky?" It's a simple concept that he's just not getting. | |||
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"And i am asking you did Scotland vote by 62% majority to renain part of the EU ? How hard is that Did Scottish people not vot in the EU referendum now ? Lol Scotland voted - remain England voted - leave Wales voted - leave N Ireland voted - remain Which part have i got wrong ? And the UK as a whole, in an UK referendum, voted Leave. Correct Kinky? Answer mine first What fuck is this you demanded a grown up debate fine Then answer my questions stop damn well deflecting " Grow up you child! Stop using words you don't understand. I think people on here are gettig sick and tired of you and your aimless ad pointless ramblings. Stop holding the rest of us in contempt. | |||
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Scotland never had an EU vote, it could not have a vote as it is not a member.
How can it vote to remain a member of an organisation that it is not a member of?
It was a UK vote, UK citizens decided the future status of the UK and the EU.
I'll try again.
Leaving the EU via Brexit will have consequences, job losses for instance.
Scotland goes independent,the consequences of that is that it too leaves the EU in the hardest terms.
No deal,therefore the same if not worse job losses than Brexit.
By going independent and leaving the UK, there will be further job losses.
As Scotlands trade with the rest of the UK is four time higher than with the EU, it would be safe to assume that it would be even more damaging than that caused by leaving the EU itself.
The question which you have not attempted to answer is, which of those two options is the least damaging to Scotland?
Brexit in UK or independence out of both the UK and EU?
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"Corbyn as leader of the Labour party, represents Labour voters, a much bigger demographic than the population of Scotland. He wasn't at the meeting either. He is not in government duh!!!!!! It wasn't a whole government meeting. Duh!!!!!!!! Brexit effects the while UK correct ? So you telling me you dont want Scotland represented in the brexit meeting ?" They are represented, by the UNITED KINGDOM government! | |||
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"Corbyn as leader of the Labour party, represents Labour voters, a much bigger demographic than the population of Scotland. He wasn't at the meeting either. He is not in government duh!!!!!! It wasn't a whole government meeting. Duh!!!!!!!! Brexit effects the while UK correct ? So you telling me you dont want Scotland represented in the brexit meeting ? They are represented, by the UNITED KINGDOM government! " And the secretray of state for Scotland represents Scotland correct ? And brexit effects the whole of the UK Lot you sound very anti Scottish | |||
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"Scotland voted - remain England voted - leave Wales voted - leave N Ireland voted - remain Which part have i got wrong? Point it where i am wrong " So what you are saying is England and Wales should leave And Scotland and Northern Ireland remain yes But as you know it was a UK wide vote and as a whole the UK voted leave It wasnt regional mate it was the whole of the UK I truly do not understand the way you think And based on all your other threads, and replies you have had neither does anyone else Have you not noticed you are a lone voice and practically no one agrees with anything you say So based on the way people react to your posts on here and lack of support you get. I have to assume you get the same response in the vanilla world | |||
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"Scotland voted - remain England voted - leave Wales voted - leave N Ireland voted - remain Which part have i got wrong? Point it where i am wrong " Ok. The bit you got wrong is breaking it down by region, as it was a UK wide referendum and only the total vote counted, not the regional one. Am I getting through at all? | |||
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"Scotland voted - remain England voted - leave Wales voted - leave N Ireland voted - remain Which part have i got wrong? Point it where i am wrong So what you are saying is England and Wales should leave And Scotland and Northern Ireland remain yes But as you know it was a UK wide vote and as a whole the UK voted leave It wasnt regional mate it was the whole of the UK I truly do not understand the way you think And based on all your other threads, and replies you have had neither does anyone else Have you not noticed you are a lone voice and practically no one agrees with anything you say So based on the way people react to your posts on here and lack of support you get. I have to assume you get the same response in the vanilla world " Well i keep getting told respect the vote i am respecting England an Wales vote to leave the EU I can only but hope they chamge their minds though but i respect their wishes to leave the EU Listen i aint here to get a wee gang to come and help back me up i couldnt give a damn | |||
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"Scotland voted - remain England voted - leave Wales voted - leave N Ireland voted - remain Which part have i got wrong? Point it where i am wrong Ok. The bit you got wrong is breaking it down by region, as it was a UK wide referendum and only the total vote counted, not the regional one. Am I getting through at all? " Again Scotland voted remain England voted leave Wales voted leave N Ireland voted remain Which of them have i got wrong ? You may try and say it was a UK vote and thats how each country vioted correct ? So why the fuck are people saying is ok for Scotland to have no one representing Scotland in this brexit meeting after all Scotland voted remain Again you are all now starting to sound very anti Scottish | |||
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"Scotland voted - remain England voted - leave Wales voted - leave N Ireland voted - remain Which part have i got wrong? Point it where i am wrong So what you are saying is England and Wales should leave And Scotland and Northern Ireland remain yes But as you know it was a UK wide vote and as a whole the UK voted leave It wasnt regional mate it was the whole of the UK I truly do not understand the way you think And based on all your other threads, and replies you have had neither does anyone else Have you not noticed you are a lone voice and practically no one agrees with anything you say So based on the way people react to your posts on here and lack of support you get. I have to assume you get the same response in the vanilla world Well i keep getting told respect the vote i am respecting England an Wales vote to leave the EU I can only but hope they chamge their minds though but i respect their wishes to leave the EU Listen i aint here to get a wee gang to come and help back me up i couldnt give a damn " Ok you win your right and everyone else is wrong | |||
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"Why is it people on here have a problem with Scotland being represented in this brexit meeting ? Its undemocratic that we have no one from the UK government speaking up for 62% majority of Scotland who voted to remain" There was no-one. Just as there was no one representing the rest of the 16 million remain voters. Because the vote was to leave, and (unfortunately) that shower of shit represents us all as a nation. Again, it was a UK wide referendum, not a regional one. But please, feel free to post the same bullshit again.  | |||
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"So why is it people on here have a problem with Scotland being represented in this brexit meeting ? Its undemocratic that we have no one from the UK government speaking up for 62% majority of Scotland who voted to remain " You mean the 42% of scots who actually voted remain | |||
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"So why is it people on here have a problem with Scotland being represented in this brexit meeting ? Its undemocratic that we have no one from the UK government speaking up for 62% majority of Scotland who voted to remain You mean the 42% of scots who actually voted remain" Are you really trying to count people tgat didnt vote ? Please tell you aint trying to honestly do that lmao 62% majority of voters in Scotland voted remain correct ? I do wonder why none of you want to admit this lol | |||
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"So why is it people on here have a problem with Scotland being represented in this brexit meeting ? Its undemocratic that we have no one from the UK government speaking up for 62% majority of Scotland who voted to remain You mean the 42% of scots who actually voted remain Are you really trying to count people tgat didnt vote ? Please tell you aint trying to honestly do that lmao 62% majority of voters in Scotland voted remain correct ? I do wonder why none of you want to admit this lol" No you are not corrct the turnout was 68% so, 42% voted remain 26% voted leave and 32% could not give a damn so stop sayimg the majority of scots voted remain | |||
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"Fucking hell You dont count people that didnt vote duh!!!!!!!!!!!! So again Scotland has voted in favour of staying in the EU by 62% to 38% Stop lying imagine sinking that fucking low to try and count people that didnt vote lol " MY PROBLEM IS THAT YOUR ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUT THAT OVER HALF OF ALL SCOTTISH PEOPLE WANTED TO REMAIN AND YOU CANNOT SAY THAT BY ALL MEANS SAY A MAJORITY OF THOSE WHO VOTED JUST STOP SAYING THE MAJORITY OF SCOTLAND | |||
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"Fucking hell You dont count people that didnt vote duh!!!!!!!!!!!! So again Scotland has voted in favour of staying in the EU by 62% to 38% Stop lying imagine sinking that fucking low to try and count people that didnt vote lol MY PROBLEM IS THAT YOUR ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUT THAT OVER HALF OF ALL SCOTTISH PEOPLE WANTED TO REMAIN AND YOU CANNOT SAY THAT BY ALL MEANS SAY A MAJORITY OF THOSE WHO VOTED JUST STOP SAYING THE MAJORITY OF SCOTLAND " Ok first off caps off 2nd answer this in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum did all of Scotland voters actually vote ? I think you will find 15% didnt vote *Drops mic* now what you gonna say ? | |||
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"Corbyn as leader of the Labour party, represents Labour voters, a much bigger demographic than the population of Scotland. He wasn't at the meeting either. He is not in government duh!!!!!! It wasn't a whole government meeting. Duh!!!!!!!! Brexit effects the while UK correct ? So you telling me you dont want Scotland represented in the brexit meeting ? They are represented, by the UNITED KINGDOM government! And the secretray of state for Scotland represents Scotland correct ? And brexit effects the whole of the UK Lot you sound very anti Scottish " No one in here agrees with you, and your conclusion is that Everyone is anti Scottish apart from you! Do you even recognise how ridiculous that sounds? | |||
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"Just so everyone is up with the correct figures:- 1,661,191 people in Scotland voted Remain. The total UK electorate was 46,500,001. So Scotland's share of the Remain vote was 3.57%" How many voted leave in Scotland again ? Lol You were ok about posting remain figures in Scotland lets see you balance it out eh | |||
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"Just so everyone is up with the correct figures:- 1,661,191 people in Scotland voted Remain. The total UK electorate was 46,500,001. So Scotland's share of the Remain vote was 3.57% How many voted leave in Scotland again ? Lol You were ok about posting remain figures in Scotland lets see you balance it out eh " 1,018,322 voted leave, thats 2.1% Save your breath, and don't come back with "Scotland voted Remain". We all know that, its not in doubt. I've highlighted the figures to show that Scotland was only a very small part of the UK Referendum....a democratic process that the whole UK embraced. I know it must be difficult to be on the losing side so often and so much, but thats democracy for you. It works! | |||
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"Just so everyone is up with the correct figures:- 1,661,191 people in Scotland voted Remain. The total UK electorate was 46,500,001. So Scotland's share of the Remain vote was 3.57% How many voted leave in Scotland again ? Lol You were ok about posting remain figures in Scotland lets see you balance it out eh 1,018,322 voted leave, thats 2.1% Save your breath, and don't come back with "Scotland voted Remain". We all know that, its not in doubt. I've highlighted the figures to show that Scotland was only a very small part of the UK Referendum....a democratic process that the whole UK embraced. I know it must be difficult to be on the losing side so often and so much, but thats democracy for you. It works!" No no i think you will find no everyone on here thinks Scotland voted remain One thinks you can add in people that didnt even vote lmao So Scotland voted by a majority to remain the EU 2 years before that EU referendum Scotland was told that the ONLY way to keep your EU citizen is to vote no to independence. Well turns out voting no to independence was the way to lose your EU citizenship So people in Scotland do have a right to be heard and decide their own future Are you that afraid to let Scotland decide if they want independence or want the fucked up brexit ? Must have no faith in the Scottish people eh | |||
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Leaving the EU via Brexit will have consequences, job losses for instance.
Scotland goes independent,the consequences of that is that it too leaves the EU in the hardest terms.
No deal,therefore the same if not worse job losses than Brexit.
By going independent and leaving the UK, there will be further job losses.
As Scotlands trade with the rest of the UK is four time higher than with the EU, it would be safe to assume that it would be even more damaging than that caused by leaving the EU itself.
The question which you have not attempted to answer is, which of those two options is the least damaging to Scotland?
Brexit in UK or independence out of both the UK and EU?
What would you chose kinky?
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"Wow alot of peope dont get democracy and think you have to be told when you can have a referendum lol The people decide when they want another referendum So why haven't you held one then? What's stopping you? " See this kinda shit proves you aint listening dig the wax oot the ears Nicola is fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union The mandate is there for when the "final brexit deal is known" and if its a hard brexit then Scotland has every right to have a binding referendum or dont you believe in mandates? Just claim doon must be annoying that knowing you have to wait and wait to see if the UK breaks apart and you wave bye bye to Scotland and our tax and revenue eh lol | |||
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"Wow alot of peope dont get democracy and think you have to be told when you can have a referendum lol The people decide when they want another referendum So why haven't you held one then? What's stopping you? See this kinda shit proves you aint listening dig the wax oot the ears Nicola is fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union The mandate is there for when the "final brexit deal is known" and if its a hard brexit then Scotland has every right to have a binding referendum or dont you believe in mandates? Just claim doon must be annoying that knowing you have to wait and wait to see if the UK breaks apart and you wave bye bye to Scotland and our tax and revenue eh lol " Get help | |||
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"Wow alot of peope dont get democracy and think you have to be told when you can have a referendum lol The people decide when they want another referendum So why haven't you held one then? What's stopping you? Common sense is my guess.. But some like kinky seem to not be factoring that element in.. "Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above Lack of answer only shows i am right Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol | |||
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"Its as though your trying to trap Scotland into staying in a UK hard brexit Ohhh please please Scotland dont leave us on our own we need your money What has Scotland no right to decide its own future ? No one is trying to do that. You're a part of the UK. It was a UK vote, not a regional one. As I believe has been stated many times on your various threads. And you act like we actually all get a monthly direct debit into our bank accounts with Scotland's money. How many times will you go on about this? So Scotland didnt vote by 62% majority to remain in the EU now ? You are forgetting a third of Scots did not go to the polls so could not give a fuck one way or another !!!" Fuck sake you too So by that fucked up logic not everyone in Scotland voted in the 2014 independence referendum lmao So are you saying the majority of Scotland didnt vote to stay in the UK in 2014? Lmao You stay classy *drops mic* | |||
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"Wow alot of peope dont get democracy and think you have to be told when you can have a referendum lol The people decide when they want another referendum So why haven't you held one then? What's stopping you? Common sense is my guess.. But some like kinky seem to not be factoring that element in..
Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal
You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above
Lack of answer only shows i am right
Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol "Everyone including you knows your incapable of shutting up..
Which if you were also able to listen to others opinions and facts would be fine..
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Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal
You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above
Lack of answer only shows i am right
Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol
Everyone including you knows your incapable of shutting up..
Which if you were also able to listen to others opinions and facts would be fine..
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Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal
You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above
Lack of answer only shows i am right
Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol
Everyone including you knows your incapable of shutting up..
Which if you were also able to listen to others opinions and facts would be fine..
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"Its as though your trying to trap Scotland into staying in a UK hard brexit Ohhh please please Scotland dont leave us on our own we need your money What has Scotland no right to decide its own future ? No one is trying to do that. You're a part of the UK. It was a UK vote, not a regional one. As I believe has been stated many times on your various threads. And you act like we actually all get a monthly direct debit into our bank accounts with Scotland's money. How many times will you go on about this? So Scotland didnt vote by 62% majority to remain in the EU now ? You are forgetting a third of Scots did not go to the polls so could not give a fuck one way or another !!! Fuck sake you too So by that fucked up logic not everyone in Scotland voted in the 2014 independence referendum lmao So are you saying the majority of Scotland didnt vote to stay in the UK in 2014? Lmao You stay classy *drops mic* Ahhh your uneqe spin !!! No pointing out if it was so important to Scotland's future more ppl would have voted " So you keeping with that insane logic of trying to count people thst didnt vote ? I told you if you wanna go with that crap of including people that didnt vote and saying Scotland didnt vote in a majority to remain in the EU Then by default you claiming Scotland as a majority didnt vote to stay in the UK lmao You didnt think it through lmao | |||
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Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal
You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above
Lack of answer only shows i am right
Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol
Everyone including you knows your incapable of shutting up..
Which if you were also able to listen to others opinions and facts would be fine..
Oh so sorry for being allowed to post on a public forum lol
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Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal
You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above
Lack of answer only shows i am right
Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol
Everyone including you knows your incapable of shutting up..
Which if you were also able to listen to others opinions and facts would be fine..
Oh so sorry for being allowed to post on a public forum lol
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Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal
You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above
Lack of answer only shows i am right
Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol
Everyone including you knows your incapable of shutting up..
Which if you were also able to listen to others opinions and facts would be fine..
Oh so sorry for being allowed to post on a public forum lol
You need professional help
Offt raging that someone dare have a different option and exposes lies you want covered up
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Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal
You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above
Lack of answer only shows i am right
Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol
Everyone including you knows your incapable of shutting up..
Which if you were also able to listen to others opinions and facts would be fine..
Oh so sorry for being allowed to post on a public forum lol
You need professional help
Offt raging that someone dare have a different option and exposes lies you want covered up
Talking Therapists will help.
Still raging lol
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Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal
You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above
Lack of answer only shows i am right
Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol
Everyone including you knows your incapable of shutting up..
Which if you were also able to listen to others opinions and facts would be fine..
Oh so sorry for being allowed to post on a public forum lol
You need professional help
Offt raging that someone dare have a different option and exposes lies you want covered up
Talking Therapists will help.
Still raging lol
What not happy that this Scottish person has a voice i have to shut the fuck up ?
I'm genuinely concerned for your mental health.
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Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal
You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above
Lack of answer only shows i am right
Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol
Everyone including you knows your incapable of shutting up..
Which if you were also able to listen to others opinions and facts would be fine..
Oh so sorry for being allowed to post on a public forum lol
You need professional help
Offt raging that someone dare have a different option and exposes lies you want covered up
Talking Therapists will help.
Still raging lol
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Lol you lot dont get democracy eh and what Nicola actually said about waiting to see the final brexit deal
You all think your right prove it then try and devunk what i said above
Lack of answer only shows i am right
Cant have a Scottish person have a voice got to shut him up lol
Everyone including you knows your incapable of shutting up..
Which if you were also able to listen to others opinions and facts would be fine..
Oh so sorry for being allowed to post on a public forum lol
You need professional help
Offt raging that someone dare have a different option and exposes lies you want covered up
Talking Therapists will help.
Still raging lol
What not happy that this Scottish person has a voice i have to shut the fuck up ?
I am Scottish but no one has tried to silence me !!!"Do wonder why lol Got it be that they know you voted no and that you dont like the SNP Show they know your a good wee Scot that knows your place that box and get your cereal ate | |||
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"Just so everyone is up with the correct figures:- 1,661,191 people in Scotland voted Remain. The total UK electorate was 46,500,001. So Scotland's share of the Remain vote was 3.57% How many voted leave in Scotland again ? Lol You were ok about posting remain figures in Scotland lets see you balance it out eh 1,018,322 voted leave, thats 2.1% Save your breath, and don't come back with "Scotland voted Remain". We all know that, its not in doubt. I've highlighted the figures to show that Scotland was only a very small part of the UK Referendum....a democratic process that the whole UK embraced. I know it must be difficult to be on the losing side so often and so much, but thats democracy for you. It works! No no i think you will find no everyone on here thinks Scotland voted remain One thinks you can add in people that didnt even vote lmao So Scotland voted by a majority to remain the EU 2 years before that EU referendum Scotland was told that the ONLY way to keep your EU citizen is to vote no to independence. Well turns out voting no to independence was the way to lose your EU citizenship So people in Scotland do have a right to be heard and decide their own future Are you that afraid to let Scotland decide if they want independence or want the fucked up brexit ? Must have no faith in the Scottish people eh Stop twisting , i never said scotland didnt vote remain , i pointed out that you were and are wrong to claim you speak for most of scotland So did Scotland vote to stay in the UK?" Yes they did but again not by an overall majority as only 85% voted and 55%of that is still less than 50 % of those eligible to vote , so unless voting is made mandatory you will never get a definitive answer as to what the majority want | |||
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Leaving the EU via Brexit will have consequences, job losses for instance.
Scotland goes independent,the consequences of that is that it too leaves the EU in the hardest terms.
No deal,therefore the same if not worse job losses than Brexit.
By going independent and leaving the UK, there will be further job losses.
As Scotlands trade with the rest of the UK is four time higher than with the EU, it would be safe to assume that it would be even more damaging than that caused by leaving the EU itself.
The question which you have not attempted to answer is, which of those two options is the least damaging to Scotland?
Brexit in UK or independence out of both the UK and EU?
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"So lets get this fucked up logic right lol Yoons say.... Scotland didnt vote to remain in the EU by a majority Yet the say claim Scotland voted to stay in the UK by the majority Me thinks yoons trying to play games to suit their own agenda cause they are shit feart to allow another independence referendum " Well i actually said neither vote was won by a majority, and by the way im not a yoon, the sooner you get independance the better getting rid of barnett formula gives us 15bn extra for nhs, i just dont get why financially anyscot would see it as a good idea | |||
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"So lets get this fucked up logic right lol Yoons say.... Scotland didnt vote to remain in the EU by a majority Yet the say claim Scotland voted to stay in the UK by the majority Me thinks yoons trying to play games to suit their own agenda cause they are shit feart to allow another independence referendum Well i actually said neither vote was won by a majority, and by the way im not a yoon, the sooner you get independance the better getting rid of barnett formula gives us 15bn extra for nhs, i just dont get why financially anyscot would see it as a good idea So you saying Scotland didnt vote to stay i the UK ? Lmao Ah right so is that the shite of England subidies Scotland shite again ?" But it does though. The figures are undisputable proof of that. | |||
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"So lets get this fucked up logic right lol Yoons say.... Scotland didnt vote to remain in the EU by a majority Yet the say claim Scotland voted to stay in the UK by the majority Me thinks yoons trying to play games to suit their own agenda cause they are shit feart to allow another independence referendum Well i actually said neither vote was won by a majority, and by the way im not a yoon, the sooner you get independance the better getting rid of barnett formula gives us 15bn extra for nhs, i just dont get why financially anyscot would see it as a good idea So you saying Scotland didnt vote to stay i the UK ? Lmao Ah right so is that the shite of England subidies Scotland shite again ? But it does though. The figures are undisputable proof of that." Then why fucking keep Scotland if we are such a fucking drain on England ? If it were true why not save a ton of money and let Scotland go Oh wait you need Scotland and our money thats the truth | |||
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"So lets get this fucked up logic right lol Yoons say.... Scotland didnt vote to remain in the EU by a majority Yet the say claim Scotland voted to stay in the UK by the majority Me thinks yoons trying to play games to suit their own agenda cause they are shit feart to allow another independence referendum Well i actually said neither vote was won by a majority, and by the way im not a yoon, the sooner you get independance the better getting rid of barnett formula gives us 15bn extra for nhs, i just dont get why financially anyscot would see it as a good idea So you saying Scotland didnt vote to stay i the UK ? Lmao Ah right so is that the shite of England subidies Scotland shite again ? But it does though. The figures are undisputable proof of that. Then why fucking keep Scotland if we are such a fucking drain on England ? If it were true why not save a ton of money and let Scotland go Oh wait you need Scotland and our money thats the truth" You really don't understand anything do you? You have a deficit. How would an independent Scotland post Brexit get rid of that deficit? | |||
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"So lets get this fucked up logic right lol Yoons say.... Scotland didnt vote to remain in the EU by a majority Yet the say claim Scotland voted to stay in the UK by the majority Me thinks yoons trying to play games to suit their own agenda cause they are shit feart to allow another independence referendum Well i actually said neither vote was won by a majority, and by the way im not a yoon, the sooner you get independance the better getting rid of barnett formula gives us 15bn extra for nhs, i just dont get why financially anyscot would see it as a good idea So you saying Scotland didnt vote to stay i the UK ? Lmao Ah right so is that the shite of England subidies Scotland shite again ? But it does though. The figures are undisputable proof of that. Then why fucking keep Scotland if we are such a fucking drain on England ? If it were true why not save a ton of money and let Scotland go Oh wait you need Scotland and our money thats the truth You really don't understand anything do you? You have a deficit. How would an independent Scotland post Brexit get rid of that deficit?" No no answer it if Scotlandare such a fucking drain on England why keep us in the UK ? | |||
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"So lets get this fucked up logic right lol Yoons say.... Scotland didnt vote to remain in the EU by a majority Yet the say claim Scotland voted to stay in the UK by the majority Me thinks yoons trying to play games to suit their own agenda cause they are shit feart to allow another independence referendum Well i actually said neither vote was won by a majority, and by the way im not a yoon, the sooner you get independance the better getting rid of barnett formula gives us 15bn extra for nhs, i just dont get why financially anyscot would see it as a good idea So you saying Scotland didnt vote to stay i the UK ? Lmao Ah right so is that the shite of England subidies Scotland shite again ? But it does though. The figures are undisputable proof of that. Then why fucking keep Scotland if we are such a fucking drain on England ? If it were true why not save a ton of money and let Scotland go Oh wait you need Scotland and our money thats the truth You really don't understand anything do you? You have a deficit. How would an independent Scotland post Brexit get rid of that deficit? No no answer it if Scotlandare such a fucking drain on England why keep us in the UK ?" The clue is there. United Kingdom. Scotland's contribution with oil revenues was invaluable in the. 70s and 80s. Now a vibrant financial service industry in the South is helping us all. So, how would an independent Scotland post Brexit get rid of its deficit? | |||
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"So lets get this fucked up logic right lol Yoons say.... Scotland didnt vote to remain in the EU by a majority Yet the say claim Scotland voted to stay in the UK by the majority Me thinks yoons trying to play games to suit their own agenda cause they are shit feart to allow another independence referendum Well i actually said neither vote was won by a majority, and by the way im not a yoon, the sooner you get independance the better getting rid of barnett formula gives us 15bn extra for nhs, i just dont get why financially anyscot would see it as a good idea So you saying Scotland didnt vote to stay i the UK ? Lmao Ah right so is that the shite of England subidies Scotland shite again ? But it does though. The figures are undisputable proof of that. Then why fucking keep Scotland if we are such a fucking drain on England ? If it were true why not save a ton of money and let Scotland go Oh wait you need Scotland and our money thats the truth You really don't understand anything do you? You have a deficit. How would an independent Scotland post Brexit get rid of that deficit? No no answer it if Scotlandare such a fucking drain on England why keep us in the UK ? The clue is there. United Kingdom. Scotland's contribution with oil revenues was invaluable in the. 70s and 80s. Now a vibrant financial service industry in the South is helping us all. So, how would an independent Scotland post Brexit get rid of its deficit? " Nope again if Scotland is a fucking drain on England why keep us in the UK? You seriously trying to tell me its for Scotlands benefit like wee are far too fucking poor to look after ourselfs ? Yet England local services and NHS is in fucking meltdown but you claim we want to help Scotland but not people in England yeah fucking right pull the other one! You didnt see the red cross in the Scottish NHS | |||
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"Kinky all you do is demand answers but never fucking answer any questions yourself. Answer _icklybits questions he has asked you at least 8 times Try answering Mercury's questions If you dont answer the questions put to you it proves you are a fake a chancer and a charlatan. And until you do answer I will not post on any of your threads again Yes I know you aint bothered, but eventually most people will do the same, and then you will be more of a lone voice than you are already." He knows why I am waiting on him answering my question Its not on you all fail to answer my questions but demand i answer yous nah naw thanks i will wait You do what you wish yes i didnt care if yiu do post in my threads or not its upto you i aint forcing you | |||
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"Kinky all you do is demand answers but never fucking answer any questions yourself. Answer _icklybits questions he has asked you at least 8 times Try answering Mercury's questions If you dont answer the questions put to you it proves you are a fake a chancer and a charlatan. And until you do answer I will not post on any of your threads again Yes I know you aint bothered, but eventually most people will do the same, and then you will be more of a lone voice than you are already." Talking to Kinky is like herding cats! He doesn't realise that these questions will be asked over and over again, by better and cleverer people than me, should indy 2 ever happen. He has no answer, because he either doesn't know or doesn't understand. He parrots SNP and independence rhetoric as gospel. But answers are out there. Just takes some balls to go and find them and try to use them to your advantage. | |||
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