FabSwingers.com forum: Part 3 real threat to Scotland

By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Since someone tried to close the last one I will open this one

That's the Scottish government position right now correct respect leaving the EU but not the single market and customs union correct?

The Scottish government have said they will respect leaving the EU but the red line is staying in the single market and customs union correct?

Nicola is fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union correct?

If UK government try and take the whole UK out of the single market and customs union then Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum correct?

An independent Scotland can be outside the EU and be in the single market and customs union correct?

I doubt you will answer these though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since someone tried to close the last one I will open this one

That's the Scottish government position right now correct respect leaving the EU but not the single market and customs union correct?

The Scottish government have said they will respect leaving the EU but the red line is staying in the single market and customs union correct?

Nicola is fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union correct?

If UK government try and take the whole UK out of the single market and customs union then Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum correct?

An independent Scotland can be outside the EU and be in the single market and customs union correct?

I doubt you will answer these though"

I already answered you wee man go back and take a look

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Now tell us how a Goverment in an independent and post Brexit Scotland would approach things.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Since someone tried to close the last one I will open this one

That's the Scottish government position right now correct respect leaving the EU but not the single market and customs union correct?

The Scottish government have said they will respect leaving the EU but the red line is staying in the single market and customs union correct?

Nicola is fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union correct?

If UK government try and take the whole UK out of the single market and customs union then Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum correct?

An independent Scotland can be outside the EU and be in the single market and customs union correct?

I doubt you will answer these though

I already answered you wee man go back and take a look "

Yes I know but all those things I said above are correct ?

If not point out what I am not correct about

Nicola has been the only trying to come with a solution and if not she has a right to use the mandate she has

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Different day..

Same shit..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One rhetorical question leads to another rhetorical question in an infinite cycle with no end.Infinite regress i think the greek Philosophers called it.

Our Scottish friend has perfected the art .

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

No one is forcing any of you to reply

Why is it everyone is allowed to post stuff but me you have serious problem with if you dont like it then by pass my threads but this is a public forum

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Now lets try this

Now first off i have never denied SNP members / voters some of them did vote to leave the EU

So did anyone ever think that if Scotland did vote for independent the SNP could try to compromise with both side and adopt the Norway style of being out of the EU but have membership of the single market and customs union

That would screw the UK if the UK are hell bend on taking the whole of the UK out of the single market and customs and being a hard brexit

Put it this way Scotland has options not to suffer this hard brexit

The UK government are shitting themselves that they could lose Scotlands money of tax and revenue

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton-on-Trent

Can we close this one too?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Can we close this one too?

Fucking hell trying to gag me eh ?

How about this if you that fucking bored my post ignore them

What is this i am the only one now not allowed to post a thread and being singled out

I dont try stop anyone posting their own threads thats just fucking sad

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Now lets try this

Now first off i have never denied SNP members / voters some of them did vote to leave the EU

That would screw the UK if the UK are hell bend on taking the whole of the UK out of the single market and customs and being a hard brexit

Put it this way Scotland has options not to suffer this hard brexit

The UK government are shitting themselves that they could lose Scotlands money of tax and revenue

Slight problem with that theory, the flow of revenue is from the south to the north.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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Oh i forgot people on here think England subsidies Scotland and also think Scottish people pay no tax and make fuck all revenue eh

Wee are far too fucking poor in Scotland

Lmao

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

First Minister stopped by presiding officer from answering a question on Scottish Tory branch MPs support for a hard Brexit against the wishes of their constituents and Scottish Labour branch MSPs clap along with Tories in chamber

Shows Labour and Tory dont give a fuck about Scotland

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Oh i forgot people on here think England subsidies Scotland and also think Scottish people pay no tax and make fuck all revenue eh

Wee are far too fucking poor in Scotland

Lmao "

The Barnett formula. You had the figures for spend per head quotes to you on the other thread's.

Try again.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Oh i forgot people on here think England subsidies Scotland and also think Scottish people pay no tax and make fuck all revenue eh

Wee are far too fucking poor in Scotland

Lmao

The Barnett formula. You had the figures for spend per head quotes to you on the other thread's.

Try again."

Going on the answer that I got regarding Barnett, Kinky doesn't understand it's principle or operation.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So why is it people on here are soooo against all Scottish tax and revenue staying in Scotland ?

Why is it you all want to see Scottish tax and revenue go to the UK treasury ?

Lets see the answers to that lol

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"OK

So why is it people on here are soooo against all Scottish tax and revenue staying in Scotland ?

Why is it you all want to see Scottish tax and revenue go to the UK treasury ?

Lets see the answers to that lol "

You can keep it all, you effectively already do, then it's topped up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since someone tried to close the last one I will open this one

That's the Scottish government position right now correct respect leaving the EU but not the single market and customs union correct?

The Scottish government have said they will respect leaving the EU but the red line is staying in the single market and customs union correct?

Nicola is fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union correct?

If UK government try and take the whole UK out of the single market and customs union then Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum correct?

An independent Scotland can be outside the EU and be in the single market and customs union correct?

I doubt you will answer these though"

You only have the small problem of winning the refarendum !!!!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"OK

So why is it people on here are soooo against all Scottish tax and revenue staying in Scotland ?

Why is it you all want to see Scottish tax and revenue go to the UK treasury ?

Lets see the answers to that lol

You can keep it all, you effectively already do, then it's topped up."

Ah right so your saying it does all tax and revenue in Scotland goes to the UK treasury and Scotland only gets some of want earned though both ?

So its really giving us pocket money of the money raised in Scotland not all but some

So out of interest why is it you dont wanna see ALL money raised in England through tax and revenue staying in England ? Is services in England in meltdown ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Since someone tried to close the last one I will open this one

That's the Scottish government position right now correct respect leaving the EU but not the single market and customs union correct?

The Scottish government have said they will respect leaving the EU but the red line is staying in the single market and customs union correct?

Nicola is fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union correct?

If UK government try and take the whole UK out of the single market and customs union then Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum correct?

An independent Scotland can be outside the EU and be in the single market and customs union correct?

I doubt you will answer these though

You only have the small problem of winning the refarendum !!!!"

Lol and people and allow to change their minds correct ?

So was all the lies from Better Together will be exposed

Can you name a single thing delivered to Scotland that Better Together promised say in these

Steel works ?

NHS ?

Ship yards ?

EU ?

HMRC jobs ?

All of them were suppose to be safe in the UK correct ?

So tell this was steel workers jobs at Tata Steel safe ? Or did that big bad SNP have to go find a buyer ?

Was ship yards jobs safe in the UK ? Or did the big bad SNP have to go find a buyer ?

And you in Greenock so do not dare lie that SNP saved the ship yards fron closing that was all suppose to be safe in the UK that was the shite Better Together were telling people correct ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since someone tried to close the last one I will open this one

That's the Scottish government position right now correct respect leaving the EU but not the single market and customs union correct?

The Scottish government have said they will respect leaving the EU but the red line is staying in the single market and customs union correct?

Nicola is fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union correct?

If UK government try and take the whole UK out of the single market and customs union then Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum correct?

An independent Scotland can be outside the EU and be in the single market and customs union correct?

I doubt you will answer these though

You only have the small problem of winning the refarendum !!!!

Lol and people and allow to change their minds correct ?

So was all the lies from Better Together will be exposed

Can you name a single thing delivered to Scotland that Better Together promised say in these

Steel works ?

NHS ?

Ship yards ?

EU ?

HMRC jobs ?

All of them were suppose to be safe in the UK correct ?

So tell this was steel workers jobs at Tata Steel safe ? Or did that big bad SNP have to go find a buyer ?

Was ship yards jobs safe in the UK ? Or did the big bad SNP have to go find a buyer ?

And you in Greenock so do not dare lie that SNP saved the ship yards fron closing that was all suppose to be safe in the UK that was the shite Better Together were telling people correct ?

They did save the jobs at BAE systems building warships !!

Ferguson's yard at Port Glasgow was struggling finantialy like many businesses. Is it not a function of government to minimise unemployment? ?

So the snp did nothing unusual !!!

Anyway you are always wanting more immigration! !!

Ferguson's is full of immigrants! !!!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Since someone tried to close the last one I will open this one

That's the Scottish government position right now correct respect leaving the EU but not the single market and customs union correct?

The Scottish government have said they will respect leaving the EU but the red line is staying in the single market and customs union correct?

Nicola is fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union correct?

If UK government try and take the whole UK out of the single market and customs union then Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum correct?

An independent Scotland can be outside the EU and be in the single market and customs union correct?

I doubt you will answer these though

You only have the small problem of winning the refarendum !!!!

Lol and people and allow to change their minds correct ?

So was all the lies from Better Together will be exposed

Can you name a single thing delivered to Scotland that Better Together promised say in these

Steel works ?

NHS ?

Ship yards ?

EU ?

HMRC jobs ?

All of them were suppose to be safe in the UK correct ?

So tell this was steel workers jobs at Tata Steel safe ? Or did that big bad SNP have to go find a buyer ?

Was ship yards jobs safe in the UK ? Or did the big bad SNP have to go find a buyer ?

And you in Greenock so do not dare lie that SNP saved the ship yards fron closing that was all suppose to be safe in the UK that was the shite Better Together were telling people correct ?

They did save the jobs at BAE systems building warships !!

Ferguson's yard at Port Glasgow was struggling finantialy like many businesses. Is it not a function of government to minimise unemployment? ?

So the snp did nothing unusual !!!

Anyway you are always wanting more immigration! !!

Ferguson's is full of immigrants! !!!"

So Greenoakmale i thought with a no vote to independence meant that steel works and ship yards were giing to be safe in the UK ?

You blaming immigrants now ?

See i told you that this WILL be exposed in a referendum alk the Better Together lies

What next is Home Rule gonna be given out again or how about the promise of even more powers lmao might as well just give full independepence lol

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

So Kinky, you are quite confident that an Independent Scotland can pay its way?

No "handouts" from Westminster or Brussels. Just on the revenue you earn through taxation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So Kinky, you are quite confident that an Independent Scotland can pay its way?

No "handouts" from Westminster or Brussels. Just on the revenue you earn through taxation? "

Please add in if Scotland joins the EU they won't have T hatchers rebate so will be a net contributor! !!

If Scotland joins the Free Trade Area that will pay the EU and won't even have the 5 MEP as they don't get any representation at all.

Funny enough kinky thinks being in the UK and having mps in Westminster is not democratic

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Oh it gets better and better

The most resent future of England survey says that 81% of leave voters in England would be happy see the Good Friday Agreement scrapped as it would be a price worth paying to get their brexit

Also same survey big one for all you UK lovers lol

88% of leave voters would be more than happy to see the UK split wide apart just as a means to get brexit

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

There how much they care about the rest of the countries in the UK lmao

Its a belter eh lol

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Oh it gets better and better

The most resent future of England survey says that 81% of leave voters in England would be happy see the Good Friday Agreement scrapped as it would be a price worth paying to get their brexit

Also same survey big one for all you UK lovers lol

88% of leave voters would be more than happy to see the UK split wide apart just as a means to get brexit

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

There how much they care about the rest of the countries in the UK lmao

Its a belter eh lol "

You've been asked to explain that before. Unless they've asked ALL 14 plus million that voted Leave, then you can't make such an absurd remark.

But again, another deflection from the question asked above.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh it gets better and better

The most resent future of England survey says that 81% of leave voters in England would be happy see the Good Friday Agreement scrapped as it would be a price worth paying to get their brexit

Also same survey big one for all you UK lovers lol

88% of leave voters would be more than happy to see the UK split wide apart just as a means to get brexit

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

There how much they care about the rest of the countries in the UK lmao

Its a belter eh lol "

Aahhh I see we are back to putting our faith in polls again after they were slated as not telling the whole story !!!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Oh it gets better and better

The most resent future of England survey says that 81% of leave voters in England would be happy see the Good Friday Agreement scrapped as it would be a price worth paying to get their brexit

Also same survey big one for all you UK lovers lol

88% of leave voters would be more than happy to see the UK split wide apart just as a means to get brexit

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

There how much they care about the rest of the countries in the UK lmao

Its a belter eh lol

Aahhh I see we are back to putting our faith in polls again after they were slated as not telling the whole story !!!"

Its a sample of people yes and you know yoons and polls they love telling people that they are gospel

So are these polls not to be believed now ?

I told you and told polls dont tell the true figure

But fuck aye i will rub it right in to those that wana put all their polls saying support for the Uk and believe them as gospel lmao

So do any if you believe thing sample of people ? Hahahaha

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"OK

So why is it people on here are soooo against all Scottish tax and revenue staying in Scotland ?

Why is it you all want to see Scottish tax and revenue go to the UK treasury ?

Lets see the answers to that lol

You can keep it all, you effectively already do, then it's topped up.

Ah right so your saying it does all tax and revenue in Scotland goes to the UK treasury and Scotland only gets some of want earned though both ?

So its really giving us pocket money of the money raised in Scotland not all but some

So out of interest why is it you dont wanna see ALL money raised in England through tax and revenue staying in England ? Is services in England in meltdown ?"

No I'm not saying that all.

You are failing to actually read.

This is why I am utterly contemptuous of you.

All please try and type in English.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Let's try and make it easy for you Kinky.

GERS figures show your deficit at around £13.3 billion.

How would an independent Scotland get rid of such a deficit?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Fuck me your really hanging onto this GERS stuff lmao

Do you agree that GERS shows you the effect the UK is having on Scotland ?

Money is not devolved that your UK treasury fucking up the money

Now with an independent Scotland will all full control over all powers and levers and of course money so that damn well means no fucking money raised in Scotland through tax goes to the UK treasury

We get rid of trident to saving money there.

If Scotland is such a fucking drain on you why do you wanna keep Scotland in your UK ?

If you truely believe England help Scotland keep a float why is it you dont wanna see that money stay in England and help local services and the NHS ?

Seems in England 88% dont believe the UK is worth fighting for they want their country back lol ah little England

But hey you will be most welcome in an independent Scotland though

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Fuck me your really hanging onto this GERS stuff lmao

Do you agree that GERS shows you the effect the UK is having on Scotland ?

Money is not devolved that your UK treasury fucking up the money

Now with an independent Scotland will all full control over all powers and levers and of course money so that damn well means no fucking money raised in Scotland through tax goes to the UK treasury

We get rid of trident to saving money there.

If Scotland is such a fucking drain on you why do you wanna keep Scotland in your UK ?

If you truely believe England help Scotland keep a float why is it you dont wanna see that money stay in England and help local services and the NHS ?

Seems in England 88% dont believe the UK is worth fighting for they want their country back lol ah little England

But hey you will be most welcome in an independent Scotland though "

He's lost it, again, he can't answer the questions posed then makes stuff up.

Nurse???

Meds.

Stat.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Fuck me your really hanging onto this GERS stuff lmao

Do you agree that GERS shows you the effect the UK is having on Scotland ?

Money is not devolved that your UK treasury fucking up the money

Now with an independent Scotland will all full control over all powers and levers and of course money so that damn well means no fucking money raised in Scotland through tax goes to the UK treasury

We get rid of trident to saving money there.

If Scotland is such a fucking drain on you why do you wanna keep Scotland in your UK ?

If you truely believe England help Scotland keep a float why is it you dont wanna see that money stay in England and help local services and the NHS ?

Seems in England 88% dont believe the UK is worth fighting for they want their country back lol ah little England

But hey you will be most welcome in an independent Scotland though "

An independent Scotland is going to need taxation money to pay the higher dole bill once you make all those Scottish workers unemployed!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

And considering Norway a country that has 5 million people and has as much oil as we do and they are trillions i profit why is it you believe an independent Scotland of 5 million people cant do the very same ?

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By *lixerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

A normal Scottish nation (ie normal in the sense that we will be exactly the same as every other nation on Earth) will manage the myriad of issues that befall every normal nation. In the same way that every other nation manages to do.

It's simple. We'll be just the same as every other nation on Earth. This union we have is an abomination that has been copied by not one other nation, ever.

It won't be easy, running a nation never is. But we'll be just the same as everyone else. Unionists are happy for Scotland (and England) to be less than they can and should be.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Because Norway has oil that is economically extractable. Scotland doesn't.

Sorry, that's engineering for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh it gets better and better

The most resent future of England survey says that 81% of leave voters in England would be happy see the Good Friday Agreement scrapped as it would be a price worth paying to get their brexit

Also same survey big one for all you UK lovers lol

88% of leave voters would be more than happy to see the UK split wide apart just as a means to get brexit

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

There how much they care about the rest of the countries in the UK lmao

Its a belter eh lol

Aahhh I see we are back to putting our faith in polls again after they were slated as not telling the whole story !!!

Its a sample of people yes and you know yoons and polls they love telling people that they are gospel

So are these polls not to be believed now ?

I told you and told polls dont tell the true figure

But fuck aye i will rub it right in to those that wana put all their polls saying support for the Uk and believe them as gospel lmao

So do any if you believe thing sample of people ? Hahahaha "

Aaahh so we ARE back to living polls !!!

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

"Money is not devolved"

Now thats a cop out, it rarely if ever confronts a problem. Just moves away like a greasy snake.

More money is spent than is raised domestically whether devolved or not.

The fact remains that spending is higher than the revenue raised.

" Now with an independent Scotland will all full control over all powers and levers and of course money so that damn well means no fucking money raised in Scotland through tax goes to the UK treasury"

That still not addresses the problem of raising what we spend, that's just brushing it under the carpet.

Of course if we were to ask exactly what the new government would control and how it would operate these "levers", no answer would come.

Its been asked numerous times how and independent Scotland finances would actually look like.

Is there an indy GERS?

An equivalent document that explains the revenue and expenditure in an independent Scotland?

No there isn't!

The nats will tell you everything will be wonderful but will be unable to demonstrate how.

This is the tactic of conmen, snake oil salesmen and untrustworthy carpetbaggers.

" We get rid of trident to saving money there"

How much?

Not much!

Less than £400,000 per annum to the Scottish treasury.

That's less than a John Swinney underspend!

More money is raised in the surrounding economy of Faslane than would be saved.

"If Scotland is such a fucking drain on you why do you wanna keep Scotland in your UK ?"

Latest piece of nonsense, the people that kept Scotland in the UK were the Scottish people, the Scottish people that, in the greatest demonstration of democracy voted to stay in the UK and decisively rejected independence.

It was the people of Scotland that kept itself in the "fucking" Union.

" If you truely believe England help Scotland keep a float why is it you dont wanna see that money stay in England and help local services and the NHS ?"

It's the UK, we all contribute and we all benifited. For example would you expect one part of Scotland that raises more that it spends to assist another part which does not raise that which it spends.

Its called pooling and sharing, and we all put in what we can.

"But hey you will be most welcome in an independent Scotland though"

Judging by your posts on here, I doubt many will be taking that chance!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck me your really hanging onto this GERS stuff lmao

Do you agree that GERS shows you the effect the UK is having on Scotland ?

Money is not devolved that your UK treasury fucking up the money

Now with an independent Scotland will all full control over all powers and levers and of course money so that damn well means no fucking money raised in Scotland through tax goes to the UK treasury

We get rid of trident to saving money there.

If Scotland is such a fucking drain on you why do you wanna keep Scotland in your UK ?

If you truely believe England help Scotland keep a float why is it you dont wanna see that money stay in England and help local services and the NHS ?

Seems in England 88% dont believe the UK is worth fighting for they want their country back lol ah little England

But hey you will be most welcome in an independent Scotland though "

As it has been explained before trident is expensive over the long term the short term savings are not that much to fill the deficit.

And an independent Scotland would not have all the levers as we don't have our own currency or reserves to set one up therefore relying on someone else's currency !!!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Because Norway has oil that is economically extractable. Scotland doesn't.

Sorry, that's engineering for you."

Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Also you also kept asking what will an independent Scotland do if it leaves the UK and is out of the EU well an independent Scotland could be in the single market and customs union correct ?

That will blow a hole in that aww Scotland cant survive out if both the UK and EU lmao

You not mad it me your mad cause Scotland has options and well saly England dont as the majority want to leave the EU and couldnt give a stuff about the single market and customs union and i willing to see the end of the Good Friday Agreement and the UK if it means getting brexit done

Seems you lot are more interested in telling other countries in the UK what to do and say rather than fix England and the way its sadly going down a hard brexit road

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

That will have you all stumped on how tobsave your wee UK union

If Scotland decide to be out of the EU but be in the single market and customs union

As it bridges both remain and leave sides in Scotland and shows compromise

I would want to stay in the EU my first chiice but if that was no on the table i would go with being out of the EU and br in the single market and customs union

But then again none of you lot have a solution to see Scotland avoid seeing serious damage from a Uk hard brexit and therefore accepting damage to Scotland thats how much some of you care about Scotland that push come to shoce you would just tell Scotland to make the best of a hard brexit accept damage

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over a year ago

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Btw the other shite i have picked up on is the fact you lot that claim to be remain voters and you wanna see the UK remain in the EU

Then have a cheek to say Scotland would be leaving the largest single market in the UK and the EU is small so why do you wanna keep in the EU then if is soo small?

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over a year ago

"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Because Norway has oil that is economically extractable. Scotland doesn't.

Sorry, that's engineering for you.

Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Also you also kept asking what will an independent Scotland do if it leaves the UK and is out of the EU well an independent Scotland could be in the single market and customs union correct ?

That will blow a hole in that aww Scotland cant survive out if both the UK and EU lmao

Seems you lot are more interested in telling other countries in the UK what to do and say rather than fix England and the way its sadly going down a hard brexit road "

If you read the past posts the Scottish people CHOSE to remain part of the UK in 2014.

The RUK are not keeping us captive !!!!

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Once again your solution is independence, you have been told before, if Scotland was independent, it would be out if the EU.

If Brexit means job losses due to being out of the EU.

Independence also means job losses out of the EU.

Therefore independence has the same effect on jobs as Brexit.

Once out of the EU single market you wish to compound the situation by leaving the UK single market and that would cost Scotland even more jobs.

It would be safe to assume that the impact of leaving the UK would be significantly worse than it would leaving the EU, p as Scotland trades four times as much with the UK as it does the EU.

The question is, which of the two is the lesser of two evils for Scotland.

Stay in the UK and take a hit from leaving the EU, but retain the UK single market.

Or plump for independence when we would be hit by job losses by exiting the EU and then even more job losses by leaving the UK.

The cost of Brexit will be high, the cost of independence will be even higher.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

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"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Because Norway has oil that is economically extractable. Scotland doesn't.

Sorry, that's engineering for you.

Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Also you also kept asking what will an independent Scotland do if it leaves the UK and is out of the EU well an independent Scotland could be in the single market and customs union correct ?

That will blow a hole in that aww Scotland cant survive out if both the UK and EU lmao

Seems you lot are more interested in telling other countries in the UK what to do and say rather than fix England and the way its sadly going down a hard brexit road "

Very little of that made sense. Try typing it again. It will help your argument.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Because Norway has oil that is economically extractable. Scotland doesn't.

Sorry, that's engineering for you.

Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Also you also kept asking what will an independent Scotland do if it leaves the UK and is out of the EU well an independent Scotland could be in the single market and customs union correct ?

That will blow a hole in that aww Scotland cant survive out if both the UK and EU lmao

Seems you lot are more interested in telling other countries in the UK what to do and say rather than fix England and the way its sadly going down a hard brexit road

If you read the past posts the Scottish people CHOSE to remain part of the UK in 2014.

The RUK are not keeping us captive !!!!"

Yes they did but things change and you cannot deny people that right to change their minds

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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Ok lets try this

First off tell me how did you vote in the EU referendum dont be shy here i will start i voted remain

Then answer this is the UK single market bigger than the EU single market ?

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

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No evidence that they have changed their minds as far as independence is concerned.

If there is, I,d like to see it.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Ok lets try this

First off tell me how did you vote in the EU referendum dont be shy here i will start i voted remain

Then answer this is the UK single market bigger than the EU single market ?

For Scotland, yes, the UK market is bigger than Scots trade with the EU.

Next question?

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over a year ago

"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Because Norway has oil that is economically extractable. Scotland doesn't.

Sorry, that's engineering for you.

Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Also you also kept asking what will an independent Scotland do if it leaves the UK and is out of the EU well an independent Scotland could be in the single market and customs union correct ?

That will blow a hole in that aww Scotland cant survive out if both the UK and EU lmao

Seems you lot are more interested in telling other countries in the UK what to do and say rather than fix England and the way its sadly going down a hard brexit road

If you read the past posts the Scottish people CHOSE to remain part of the UK in 2014.

The RUK are not keeping us captive !!!!

Yes they did but things change and you cannot deny people that right to change their minds"

I am happy to have the vote tomorrow but saint Nicola has put it back as brexit is not the big vote winner she thought it was gonna be.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"No evidence that they have changed their minds as far as independence is concerned.

If there is, I,d like to see it. "

Lmao and how to you get the evidence ?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

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The economy of Scotland had an estimated nominal gross domestic product (GDP) of up to £152 billion in 2015. Since the Acts of Union 1707, Scotland's economy has been closely aligned with the economy of the rest of the United Kingdom (UK) and England has historically been its main trading partner. Scotland still conducts the majority of its trade within the UK: in 2014, Scotland's exports totalled £76 billion, of which £48.5 billion (64%) was with constituent nations of the UK, £11.6 billion with the rest of the European Union (EU), and £15.2 billion with other parts of the world.

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over a year ago

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"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Because Norway has oil that is economically extractable. Scotland doesn't.

Sorry, that's engineering for you.

Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Also you also kept asking what will an independent Scotland do if it leaves the UK and is out of the EU well an independent Scotland could be in the single market and customs union correct ?

That will blow a hole in that aww Scotland cant survive out if both the UK and EU lmao

Seems you lot are more interested in telling other countries in the UK what to do and say rather than fix England and the way its sadly going down a hard brexit road

If you read the past posts the Scottish people CHOSE to remain part of the UK in 2014.

The RUK are not keeping us captive !!!!

Yes they did but things change and you cannot deny people that right to change their minds

I am happy to have the vote tomorrow but saint Nicola has put it back as brexit is not the big vote winner she thought it was gonna be."

Has Nicola not been clear from the very start ? I will wait on you lying

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Export Statistics Scotland 2016

The latest available figures for Scottish exports are:

Rest of the UK £45.8bn 61%

Rest of World £17.1bn 23%

The EU £12.7bn 17%

Rounded up.

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over a year ago

"Ok lets try this

First off tell me how did you vote in the EU referendum dont be shy here i will start i voted remain

Then answer this is the UK single market bigger than the EU single market ?

I voted remain.

Most of Scotland's trade is with the UK.

Now you are gonna ask which has the biggest population therefore the biggest market.

The Scottish Executive's own figures have shown that Scotland's trade with the EU has almost remains static.

Scotland's trade with America has grown as a percentage higher than our trade with the EU.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

MV Dinky is holes beneath the waterline by multiple hits.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Ok lets try this

First off tell me how did you vote in the EU referendum dont be shy here i will start i voted remain

Then answer this is the UK single market bigger than the EU single market ?

I voted remain.

Most of Scotland's trade is with the UK.

Now you are gonna ask which has the biggest population therefore the biggest market.

The Scottish Executive's own figures have shown that Scotland's trade with the EU has almost remains static.

Scotland's trade with America has grown as a percentage higher than our trade with the EU."

Ok at least tou had the baws to say which way you voted

So if you voted remain its not really a big deal for you to remain in the EU if your gonna claim the UK has the bigger market correct

You would choose the UK market over the EU ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?

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over a year ago

"Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?"

You need to take it up with them.

I did post before that they were not being helpful in there lack of debate.

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over a year ago

"Ok lets try this

First off tell me how did you vote in the EU referendum dont be shy here i will start i voted remain

Then answer this is the UK single market bigger than the EU single market ?

I voted remain.

Most of Scotland's trade is with the UK.

Now you are gonna ask which has the biggest population therefore the biggest market.

The Scottish Executive's own figures have shown that Scotland's trade with the EU has almost remains static.

Scotland's trade with America has grown as a percentage higher than our trade with the EU.

Ok at least tou had the baws to say which way you voted

So if you voted remain its not really a big deal for you to remain in the EU if your gonna claim the UK has the bigger market correct

You would choose the UK market over the EU ?"

Given the choice at the present moment I think remaining in the UK takes president of remaining in the EU.

I am not gonna deny that might change.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?"

Is Dinky racist? Is it branding a group of people with negative connotations?

Go on Dinky, I'm looking forward to this one

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?

You need to take it up with them.

I did post before that they were not being helpful in there lack of debate."

Ah right so you wont ever post again about me using yoon then ? Good good

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Ok lets try this

First off tell me how did you vote in the EU referendum dont be shy here i will start i voted remain

Then answer this is the UK single market bigger than the EU single market ?

I voted remain.

Most of Scotland's trade is with the UK.

Now you are gonna ask which has the biggest population therefore the biggest market.

The Scottish Executive's own figures have shown that Scotland's trade with the EU has almost remains static.

Scotland's trade with America has grown as a percentage higher than our trade with the EU.

Ok at least tou had the baws to say which way you voted

So if you voted remain its not really a big deal for you to remain in the EU if your gonna claim the UK has the bigger market correct

You would choose the UK market over the EU ?

Given the choice at the present moment I think remaining in the UK takes president of remaining in the EU.

I am not gonna deny that might change."

Ah right so you dont really care about your remain vote then ?

Tell me do you care about Scotland majority vote to remain in the EU?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?

Is Dinky racist? Is it branding a group of people with negative connotations?

Go on Dinky, I'm looking forward to this one

Ok prove it then what was a racist about eh ?

Lets see if you have the baws to say

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?

You need to take it up with them.

I did post before that they were not being helpful in there lack of debate.

Ah right so you wont ever post again about me using yoon then ? Good good

I too would like to apologize for hurting Kinkys feelings, I had no idea he was such a sensitive little thing

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Why do you mislead?

Scotland did not vote to remain in the EU, the people of Scotland voted whether it wanted the UK to stay or leave.

Scotland could not vote to remain or leave a member of an organisation that it is not a member of.

Your question is based on a false premise therefore it is worth the contempt it deserves.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Why do you mislead?

Scotland did not vote to remain in the EU, the people of Scotland voted whether it wanted the UK to stay or leave.

Scotland could not vote to remain or leave a member of an organisation that it is not a member of.

Your question is based on a false premise therefore it is worth the contempt it deserves.

Lmao bury the truth

Yes Scotland voted to remain in the UK

And Scotland voted in a majority of 62%-38% to remain correct ?

You just want to bury it but cant hid the fact thats the way Scotland voted

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?

You need to take it up with them.

I did post before that they were not being helpful in there lack of debate.

Ah right so you wont ever post again about me using yoon then ? Good good

I too would like to apologize for hurting Kinkys feelings, I had no idea he was such a sensitive little thing

Still waiting on you on backing up your racist claim ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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Greenoakmale since you had a go at Gaelic signs costing 26 million yesterday

Enjoy this

A FOI that someone requested and this was the reply to it

" the answer to your question is the introduction of Gaelic to the rail network is part of the overall Scotrail rebranding programme which was included at no extra cost to the taxpayer as part of arrangements to extend the Scotrail franchise contract in 2008"

What do you think about that ? Is that yoons lying again ?

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Yoon I'm guessing is meant to be an insult.A mix of unionist and loon as in lunatic.Created by Pete wishart of the snp according to the internet.Who also created the term nawbag.Seems something of a word smith with insults.Correct me if I'm wrong.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Yes Scotland voted, but what did it vote for?

What was the question on the ballot paper?

Let me remind you that Scotland wasn't on it.

"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

That was the question, stop making shit up.

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By *andS_GlasgowCouple
over a year ago

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Just wish Sturgeon would get on with the job she is supposed to be doing (running the country) and not ruining the country !!!

Scotland voted to stay in UK -

The UK voted for Brexit

Endof !!!

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over a year ago

Ayrshire

"Yoon I'm guessing is meant to be an insult.A mix of unionist and loon as in lunatic.Created by Pete wishart of the snp according to the internet.Who also created the term nawbag.Seems something of a word smith with insults.Correct me if I'm wrong."

I wouldn't credit Wishart with anything original. ??

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Yes Scotland voted, but what did it vote for?

What was the question on the ballot paper?

Let me remind you that Scotland wasn't on it.

"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

That was the question, stop making shit up. "

You really wanna go there with whats on ballot papers

So why was it ok to offer extra powers to Scotland in 2014?

That was not on the ballot paper in 2014 correct ?

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over a year ago

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"Just wish Sturgeon would get on with the job she is supposed to be doing (running the country) and not ruining the country !!!

Scotland voted to stay in UK -

The UK voted for Brexit

Endof !!! "

Ok lets see now if you think the SNP are failing Scotland who would do better ?

And dont say anyone grow a pair and name one if you dare hehehe

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I,ll tell you what was on the ballot paper in 2014, it was,

"Should Scotland be an independent country?"

Remind me, what did the people of Scotland decide?

Yes or no?

A clear result.

There was no ambiguity.

No wacky interpretation.

No assuming that the vote meant anything else other than what was stated.

It was a no, nothing more and nothing less.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?

You need to take it up with them.

I did post before that they were not being helpful in there lack of debate.

Ah right so you wont ever post again about me using yoon then ? Good good

I too would like to apologize for hurting Kinkys feelings, I had no idea he was such a sensitive little thing

Still waiting on you on backing up your racist claim ? "

Perhaps the way in which you talk about the English, the English parliament, and think anyone south of the t may give you a clue..

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"I,ll tell you what was on the ballot paper in 2014, it was,

"Should Scotland be an independent country?"

Remind me, what did the people of Scotland decide?

Yes or no?

A clear result.

There was no ambiguity.

No wacky interpretation.

No assuming that the vote meant anything else other than what was stated.

It was a no, nothing more and nothing less. "

Lmao

You gone all shy now

Did the 2014 Scottish independence referendum ballot paper have extra powers on it ?

Why is that ok to accept ?

See told you dont usevthe pish about ballot papers as you cannot answer that as you know full well extra powers was nit in the ballot back and brike purdah rules

But no i dont expect you to want to bring thst up lmao

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By *andS_GlasgowCouple
over a year ago

Giffnock

Boris Johnson - by that I mean scrap the carbunkle in Leith and return powers back to Westminster and get Boris in charge !

Tin helmets are on

"Ok lets see now if you think the SNP are failing Scotland who would do better ?

And dont say anyone grow a pair and name one if you dare hehehe "

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over a year ago

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"Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?

You need to take it up with them.

I did post before that they were not being helpful in there lack of debate.

Ah right so you wont ever post again about me using yoon then ? Good good

I too would like to apologize for hurting Kinkys feelings, I had no idea he was such a sensitive little thing

Still waiting on you on backing up your racist claim ?

Perhaps the way in which you talk about the English, the English parliament, and think anyone south of the t may give you a clue.."

Examples ? Back your claim up

What did i say that tou believe was racist ? Come on if your good enough to call somonevout on it be brave enough to actually quote me

Or retract

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over a year ago

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"Boris Johnson - by that I mean scrap the carbunkle in Leith and return powers back to Westminster and get Boris in charge !

Tin helmets are on

Ok lets see now if you think the SNP are failing Scotland who would do better ?

And dont say anyone grow a pair and name one if you dare hehehe

Lmaooo

So you dont believe the branch offices of Labour , Tory ,Lib Dem can win elections in Scotland ?

Were yiu saying Holyrood should be scrapped before 2007 ?

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I've shown you what it had.

Also it never had "it's oor pound too" on it.

It never had a currency union on it.

It never had oil would "remain constant at $110 per barrel."

It never had an independent Scotland would have seamless EU membership.

It never had a lot of things, that was the point of the campaigns.

The campaigns of both sides laid out their vision of what the vote would mean for either option.

What point, if any, are you trying to make here?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"I've shown you what it had.

Also it never had "it's oor pound too" on it.

It never had a currency union on it.

It never had oil would "remain constant at $110 per barrel."

It never had an independent Scotland would have seamless EU membership.

It never had a lot of things, that was the point of the campaigns.

The campaigns of both sides laid out their vision of what the vote would mean for either option.

What point, if any, are you trying to make here? "

Your point it damn well moot

You are trying to use the "Scotland was not on the EU referendum ballot paper"

But cant see the big hole in that lol

Well i can say extra powers was not on the Scottish independence referendum ballot paper So why is that ok to offer extra powers when it was not on the ballot paper ?

I told you dont try and use that ballot paper pish as it makes you look silly

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over a year ago

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And just to add to that the single market and customs union was not on the ballot paper but no no the UK think that is ok tontake the whole UK out if both

Again i told you that you will look silly using the ballot paper pish

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over a year ago

Scots represent 8.4 per cent of the UK's total population, but they generate 9.4 per cent of its annual revenues in tax -- equivalent to £1,000 extra per person. The remaining £624 is easily accounted for by decades of UK government under-spending in Scotland on defence and on other items which are not routinely broken down by region, such as foreign office services.

Second, there's the claim that Scotland's "bloated" welfare state could not be sustained outside the Union. This is nonsense. Including its per capita share of revenues from North Sea oil and gas production, Scotland's public expenditure probably does not exceed the OECD average and is almost certainly lower than that of the Scandinavian social democracies. The fact that the Treasury cynically refuses to class those revenues as part of Scotland's overall annual economic output inflates the level of public sector expenditure as a proportion of GDP relative to that of the private sector.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Are you insane?

What was on the ballot paper was voted on.

A clear question was asked on both and a clear answer was given.

Independence for Scotland was rejected.

And the UK will leave the EU.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

That was what the respective campaigns were for, they laid out the consequences of each of the options.

It was the people after listening to the respective campaigns decided which vision they preferred.

I still can't see the point, if any, you are making.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Are you insane?

What was on the ballot paper was voted on.

A clear question was asked on both and a clear answer was given.

Independence for Scotland was rejected.

And the UK will leave the EU.

Did the UK vote to leave the single market and customs union ? I cant remember that being on the EU referendum ballot paper correct ?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Do you know what the Scottish Goverment tax revenue was on oil and gas production, according to the latest figures?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Do you know what the Scottish Goverment tax revenue was on oil and gas production, according to the latest figures?"

Oil reversed matter lol

Have you saw the map of how big Scottish waters is ? Did you know BP have found new discoveries

If Scotland votes for independence wave goodbye to that lol

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?

You need to take it up with them.

I did post before that they were not being helpful in there lack of debate.

Ah right so you wont ever post again about me using yoon then ? Good good

I too would like to apologize for hurting Kinkys feelings, I had no idea he was such a sensitive little thing

Still waiting on you on backing up your racist claim ?

Perhaps the way in which you talk about the English, the English parliament, and think anyone south of the t may give you a clue..

Examples ? Back your claim up

What did i say that tou believe was racist ? Come on if your good enough to call somonevout on it be brave enough to actually quote me

Or retract "

All Tories are scum - that's one of years

Westmonster - that's another one

Yoons - clearly hate speach.

You use racist language and act in a racist manner.

So, what does that make you?

Sadly misunderstood?

Wee man - again derogatory and aimed at the English

I think not.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

The campaigns told us that was a consequence of leave vote.

The government in a leaflet delivered to every house in the UK told that.

The Prime minister told us that!

If every consequence of a vote was on the ballot paper it would be the size of a fucking phone book.

Who's single market are you talking about?

Is it the EU,s single market for members of the EU, and did we vote to leave the EU?

Christ, only a tit could think we could leave an organisation and still have the benefits of that organisation.

I know you are desperate, but your argument here is completely vacuous!

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

A reversed matter, oh FFS!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Btw way Greenoakmale why is it yesterday you thought it was important enough to call me out for using the word " yoon" and claim its a insult

But see when ForFoxSake says "Dinky" to me to you think thats insulting ? Or dont you wanna upset the wee gang ?

Lets see if you will call that shit out or ignore it

I am only asking as you felt the need to say calling people a yoon is insulting see then lets see if you have the baws to call it out on the other side or you gonna look the other way ?

You need to take it up with them.

I did post before that they were not being helpful in there lack of debate.

Ah right so you wont ever post again about me using yoon then ? Good good

I too would like to apologize for hurting Kinkys feelings, I had no idea he was such a sensitive little thing

Still waiting on you on backing up your racist claim ?

Perhaps the way in which you talk about the English, the English parliament, and think anyone south of the t may give you a clue..

Examples ? Back your claim up

What did i say that tou believe was racist ? Come on if your good enough to call somonevout on it be brave enough to actually quote me

Or retract

All Tories are scum - that's one of years

Westmonster - that's another one

Yoons - clearly hate speach.

You use racist language and act in a racist manner.

So, what does that make you?

Sadly misunderstood?

Wee man - again derogatory and aimed at the English

I think not."

Lmao

Yes Tories are scumbags thats not racist

Calling Westminster a shithole not racist

What racist language and acting point it out again back you claims up

You do nothing good for real racism with that shite

Now lets see the double standards shall we lol

You thought it was ok to call me what "Brown kilt" is that not hate speech now ?

And i suppose you when say "dinky" thats not in a derogatory way ?

You really dont have a clue eh lol

Your welcome

Raging at me pointing it out the double standards

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Do you know what the Scottish Goverment tax revenue was on oil and gas production, according to the latest figures?

Oil reversed matter lol

Have you saw the map of how big Scottish waters is ? Did you know BP have found new discoveries

If Scotland votes for independence wave goodbye to that lol "

As you clearly don't know, I'll tell you.

£208 million out of a total tax take of £58bn.

Its not the black gold of the 1970s and 80s!

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Again if Scotland is such a drain on England why keep us ?

Btw i love how what i said at the very start is been brushed aside as if its nothing

You all asked how would Scotland deal with being out of the UK and EU

Well Scotland could choose a Norway style deal to be outside the EU and remain in the single market and customs union

Do you know what the Scottish Goverment tax revenue was on oil and gas production, according to the latest figures?

Oil reversed matter lol

Have you saw the map of how big Scottish waters is ? Did you know BP have found new discoveries

If Scotland votes for independence wave goodbye to that lol "

You do know those cannot be extracted economically, you do know that don't you?

Engineerings a bitch ain't she !

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By *andS_GlasgowCouple
over a year ago

Giffnock

Holyrood should NEVER have been created -

I dont see the need for a small area of the United Kingdom to have its own parliament - crazy waste of money -

think of all the hospitals we could build with that money !!

Lmaooo

So you dont believe the branch offices of Labour , Tory ,Lib Dem can win elections in Scotland ?

Were yiu saying Holyrood should be scrapped before 2007 ?"

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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Ticklybit

You just said this "what was on the ballot paper was voted on"

But the single market and customs union was never on the ballot paper

You also said this about the 2014 referendum hehehe

"Also it never had "it's oor pound too" on it.

It never had a currency union on it.

It never had oil would "remain constant at $110 per barrel"

Away and lay doon yoons be crazy lol

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Scots represent 8.4 per cent of the UK's total population, but they generate 9.4 per cent of its annual revenues in tax -- equivalent to £1,000 extra per person. The remaining £624 is easily accounted for by decades of UK government under-spending in Scotland on defence and on other items which are not routinely broken down by region, such as foreign office services.

Your figures are flawed.

Including North sea revenue, Scotland contributed £10722 per person to UK revenue. Thats £312 less than the UK average.

Expenditure per person was £13175 per person in Scotland, £1437 more than the UK average.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Ticklybit

You just said this "what was on the ballot paper was voted on"

But the single market and customs union was never on the ballot paper

You also said this about the 2014 referendum hehehe

"Also it never had "it's oor pound too" on it.

It never had a currency union on it.

It never had oil would "remain constant at $110 per barrel"

Away and lay doon yoons be crazy lol "

Think the price of oil came from Alex Salmond in the live debate. He was either ignorant or lied, your call.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Theres millions of tons of coal under our feet, that's a fact.

Another fact is that to get it out the ground is very expensive, so expensive that it is economically unviable.

There is no profit in it!

The same goes for oil in the North Sea, all the low hanging fruit has been picked, what they are finding now is fields in inhospitable areas and the infrastructure to extract this is very expensive and that too, like the coal makes it uneconomical to extract.

As long as the US has fracking and the Saudis continue to produce oil at a high rate the basic price will not rise.

The story of oil in the North Sea will go the same way as the coal in the UK.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

"Ticklybit

You just said this "what was on the ballot paper was voted on"

But the single market and customs union was never on the ballot paper

You also said this about the 2014 referendum hehehe

"Also it never had "it's oor pound too" on it.

It never had a currency union on it.

It never had oil would "remain constant at $110 per barrel"

Away and lay doon yoons be crazy lol

Think the price of oil came from Alex Salmond in the live debate. He was either ignorant or lied, your call."

It came in correspondence to Danny Alexander at the treasury.

He also used it in debates too.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Ticklybit

You just said this "what was on the ballot paper was voted on"

But the single market and customs union was never on the ballot paper

You also said this about the 2014 referendum hehehe

"Also it never had "it's oor pound too" on it.

It never had a currency union on it.

It never had oil would "remain constant at $110 per barrel"

Away and lay doon yoons be crazy lol

Think the price of oil came from Alex Salmond in the live debate. He was either ignorant or lied, your call.

It came in correspondence to Danny Alexander at the treasury.

He also used it in debates too. "

I await the Dinkmeisters response...

The betting is he'll change topic

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"Ticklybit

You just said this "what was on the ballot paper was voted on"

But the single market and customs union was never on the ballot paper

You also said this about the 2014 referendum hehehe

"Also it never had "it's oor pound too" on it.

It never had a currency union on it.

It never had oil would "remain constant at $110 per barrel"

Away and lay doon yoons be crazy lol

Think the price of oil came from Alex Salmond in the live debate. He was either ignorant or lied, your call.

It came in correspondence to Danny Alexander at the treasury.

He also used it in debates too.

I await the Dinkmeisters response...

The betting is he'll change topic "

I an still waiting you finding this racist language

I dont think you know what racism is lol

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Sweep, sweep, deny, deflect!

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Ticklybit

You just said this "what was on the ballot paper was voted on"

But the single market and customs union was never on the ballot paper

You also said this about the 2014 referendum hehehe

"Also it never had "it's oor pound too" on it.

It never had a currency union on it.

It never had oil would "remain constant at $110 per barrel"

Away and lay doon yoons be crazy lol

Think the price of oil came from Alex Salmond in the live debate. He was either ignorant or lied, your call.

It came in correspondence to Danny Alexander at the treasury.

He also used it in debates too.

I await the Dinkmeisters response...

The betting is he'll change topic

I an still waiting you finding this racist language

I dont think you know what racism is lol "

Go read my post. In the meantime carry on trying to change the subject..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where are you getting your figures from?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Sweep, sweep, deny, deflect! "

That's his modus operandi.

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

"Sweep, sweep, deny, deflect!

That's his modus operandi.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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ForFoxSake

Calling the Tories scumbags is not racist

Calling Westminster a shit hole is not racist

Here is your double standards though

Is " brown kilt" hate speech?

Is calling me "dinky" a derogatory way ?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"ForFoxSake

Calling the Tories scumbags is not racist

Calling Westminster a shit hole is not racist

Here is your double standards though

Is " brown kilt" hate speech?

Is calling me "dinky" a derogatory way ?

All dog whistle racism

And calling you Dinky is derogatory. That's why I call you it.

I'll stop when you stay on topic ( the one you start with) and when you answer questions and acknowledge you are wrong. Until then you'll be my lovable little Dinky X

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

The victim card is played.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"The victim card is played. "

That's his plan B

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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Oh the wee gang going again

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Oh the wee gang going again

Double victim card.

Brave move.

Foolish, but brave.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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Tory scumbags

Westminster shit hole raging yet ?

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By *andS_GlasgowCouple
over a year ago

Giffnock

Folks - this is getting nasty - can we just close this thread and move on !

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Berated and interrogated by the Yestapo!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Folks - this is getting nasty - can we just close this thread and move on !"

Be happy to move on

So I was asked what would Scotland do if they were out the UK and EU

Simple be in the single market and customs union as you can be out the EU and in the single market and customs union

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

As part of the UK or as an independent country?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Folks - this is getting nasty - can we just close this thread and move on !

Be happy to move on

So I was asked what would Scotland do if they were out the UK and EU

Simple be in the single market and customs union as you can be out the EU and in the single market and customs union"

How do you cover the interim 3? Years?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"As part of the UK or as an independent country? "

Well that depends on the UK government if they are willing to respect Scotland

If that then yeah nothing stopping an independent Scotland being in the single market and customs union

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"As part of the UK or as an independent country?

Well that depends on the UK government if they are willing to respect Scotland

If that then yeah nothing stopping an independent Scotland being in the single market and customs union"

How will this be funded?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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I will point out the SNP are fighting for Scotland and the UK to be in the single market and customs union

Anyone like to deny that?

But if Scotland votes for independence and they are out the EU they could be in the single market and customs union

Anyway wanna deny that ?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"I will point out the SNP are fighting for Scotland and the UK to be in the single market and customs union

Anyone like to deny that?

But if Scotland votes for independence and they are out the EU they could be in the single market and customs union

Anyway wanna deny that ?"

Please advise how this will be funded? Last figure I saw was 400m per year.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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"I will point out the SNP are fighting for Scotland and the UK to be in the single market and customs union

Anyone like to deny that?

But if Scotland votes for independence and they are out the EU they could be in the single market and customs union

Anyway wanna deny that ?

Please advise how this will be funded? Last figure I saw was 400m per year."

Excuse me you didn't answer my questions

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"I will point out the SNP are fighting for Scotland and the UK to be in the single market and customs union

Anyone like to deny that?

But if Scotland votes for independence and they are out the EU they could be in the single market and customs union

Anyway wanna deny that ?

Please advise how this will be funded? Last figure I saw was 400m per year.

Excuse me you didn't answer my questions"

You can't be in the single market unless you can fund access. So you need to demonstrate you can fund it before you can join it, so that takes precedence.

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over a year ago

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"I will point out the SNP are fighting for Scotland and the UK to be in the single market and customs union

Anyone like to deny that?

But if Scotland votes for independence and they are out the EU they could be in the single market and customs union

Anyway wanna deny that ?

Please advise how this will be funded? Last figure I saw was 400m per year.

Excuse me you didn't answer my questions

You can't be in the single market unless you can fund access. So you need to demonstrate you can fund it before you can join it, so that takes precedence.

Nope thats not answering my questions tey again

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Unfortunately being inside the single market is a lot more complex than that, the EU insist on the four freedoms.

To be in (as opposed to access to) the EU single market would mean being subject to all the rules of the EU, which would fly in the face of the referendum result.

The result was to leave the EU, not be in a halfway house type partial membership.

Would the EU require payment for this?

Would the UK still be subject to the EU court?

Many would see this as undemocratic.

I would like to see how you could square that circle?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"I will point out the SNP are fighting for Scotland and the UK to be in the single market and customs union

Anyone like to deny that?

But if Scotland votes for independence and they are out the EU they could be in the single market and customs union

Anyway wanna deny that ?

Please advise how this will be funded? Last figure I saw was 400m per year.

Excuse me you didn't answer my questions

You can't be in the single market unless you can fund access. So you need to demonstrate you can fund it before you can join it, so that takes precedence.

Nope thats not answering my questions tey again "

As explained above funding needs to be addressed before access can happen, so being logical, you need to address the funding issue first.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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ForFoxSake

Is the SNP fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market ?

Can an independent Scotland be outside the EU and in the single market ?

You answer them and then we shall move on ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are giving snp supporters a bad name with all the crap you go on and on and on about just accept we are leaving the EU and move on

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"ForFoxSake

Is the SNP fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market ?

Can an independent Scotland be outside the EU and in the single market ?

You answer them and then we shall move on ok "

Is the SNP fighting..

It's doing whatever it can to frustrate the government, part of that strategy is to try and get involved in activities beyond its remit. I think they are doing this for the sake of the SNP not Scotland.

Can an independent Scotland..

As the Scottish people comprehensively rejected independence this is a non question.

Those are my answers. So, please explain the funding issue as per my earlier questions.

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over a year ago

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"You are giving snp supporters a bad name with all the crap you go on and on and on about just accept we are leaving the EU and move on "

Nae thanks do you just give up on what you believe in ?

Do you expect the party you vote for just to give up hope of winning elections ? Lol

And i think you will find SNP are pro EU lmao

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over a year ago

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"ForFoxSake

Is the SNP fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market ?

Can an independent Scotland be outside the EU and in the single market ?

You answer them and then we shall move on ok

Is the SNP fighting..

Can an independent Scotland..

As the Scottish people comprehensively rejected independence this is a non question.

Those are my answers. So, please explain the funding issue as per my earlier questions."

Try just answering the questions ta

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over a year ago

"I will point out the SNP are fighting for Scotland and the UK to be in the single market and customs union

Anyone like to deny that?

But if Scotland votes for independence and they are out the EU they could be in the single market and customs union

Anyway wanna deny that ?

Please advise how this will be funded? Last figure I saw was 400m per year."

I already answered this earlier so why keep harping on about it

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

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I thought this was the UK ?and Scotland is part of it but you dont want the Scottish and Welsh and NI goverments to have a say over something that will effect all 4 countries in the UK

Strange little UK that is

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"ForFoxSake

Is the SNP fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market ?

Can an independent Scotland be outside the EU and in the single market ?

You answer them and then we shall move on ok

Is the SNP fighting..

Can an independent Scotland..

As the Scottish people comprehensively rejected independence this is a non question.

Those are my answers. So, please explain the funding issue as per my earlier questions.

Try just answering the questions ta "

I did, they weren't the answers you wanted, but that's moot, so the funding issue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree with everything that the snp stand for, yes I want independence but I don't see the point of it if we are still in the EU, I want my country to decide what laws and rules we follow not someone else be it London or brussels

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over a year ago

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"ForFoxSake

Is the SNP fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market ?

Can an independent Scotland be outside the EU and in the single market ?

You answer them and then we shall move on ok

Is the SNP fighting..

Can an independent Scotland..

As the Scottish people comprehensively rejected independence this is a non question.

Those are my answers. So, please explain the funding issue as per my earlier questions.

Try just answering the questions ta

I did, they weren't the answers you wanted, but that's moot, so the funding issue?"

No didnt you went off in your own wee world and twisted so no thanks i will actually wait to get your answer to my actually questions

You can say yes or no if it helps

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"ForFoxSake

Is the SNP fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market ?

Can an independent Scotland be outside the EU and in the single market ?

You answer them and then we shall move on ok

Is the SNP fighting..

Can an independent Scotland..

As the Scottish people comprehensively rejected independence this is a non question.

Those are my answers. So, please explain the funding issue as per my earlier questions.

Try just answering the questions ta

I did, they weren't the answers you wanted, but that's moot, so the funding issue?

No didnt you went off in your own wee world and twisted so no thanks i will actually wait to get your answer to my actually questions

You can say yes or no if it helps "

You had your answers. You didn't like them, so you refuse to answer.

Life's not simple, so yes/no answers are not always appropriate.

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over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"I don't agree with everything that the snp stand for, yes I want independence but I don't see the point of it if we are still in the EU, I want my country to decide what laws and rules we follow not someone else be it London or brussels"

Right this is good finally a pro indy supporter that has a different thought

So what powers wont we be able to do in an independent Scotland in the EU ?

Did you know right now the UK government have power over immigration as its reversed to them but they wont do nothing about it they want to con people into thinking its the EU fault

So what powers will the EU be ruling over an independent Scotland ?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Where are you getting your figures from? "

That's from the latest GERS report. They are in the revenue section

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"ForFoxSake

Is the SNP fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market ?

Can an independent Scotland be outside the EU and in the single market ?

You answer them and then we shall move on ok

Is the SNP fighting..

Can an independent Scotland..

As the Scottish people comprehensively rejected independence this is a non question.

Those are my answers. So, please explain the funding issue as per my earlier questions.

Try just answering the questions ta

I did, they weren't the answers you wanted, but that's moot, so the funding issue?

No didnt you went off in your own wee world and twisted so no thanks i will actually wait to get your answer to my actually questions

You can say yes or no if it helps

You had your answers. You didn't like them, so you refuse to answer.

Life's not simple, so yes/no answers are not always appropriate.

I will wait ta

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Ok Kinky. You've ducked my deficit question. No answer.

Lets try another.

How would an independent Scotland post Brexit propose to pay back it's share of the national debt, estimated to be in the region of £76 billion?

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

The EU referendum was not an election in the traditional sense, it was a rare event whereas elections are generally scheduled, there are exceptions to this.

You are conflating two different things.

We all accept general election results as we know we will be able to vote in another in due course.

So no one is saying you can't fight them.

Referenda are a completely different beast, for example, the first Europe referendum was in 1975, and the second was in 2016, 41 years later.

The same with devolution, the first in 1979 the next was in 1997,18 years later.

Referenda have a considerable time between them. Time should pass between them as we should allow the decision made to be made into law and acted upon, by all means they should be revisited, but not before it has even been implemented.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"ForFoxSake

Is the SNP fighting for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market ?

Can an independent Scotland be outside the EU and in the single market ?

You answer them and then we shall move on ok

Is the SNP fighting..

Can an independent Scotland..

As the Scottish people comprehensively rejected independence this is a non question.

Those are my answers. So, please explain the funding issue as per my earlier questions.

Try just answering the questions ta

I did, they weren't the answers you wanted, but that's moot, so the funding issue?

No didnt you went off in your own wee world and twisted so no thanks i will actually wait to get your answer to my actually questions

You can say yes or no if it helps

You had your answers. You didn't like them, so you refuse to answer.

Life's not simple, so yes/no answers are not always appropriate.

I will wait ta "

You have had answers, please show how my response is not an answer.

To assist here is the dictionary definition

act in reaction to (a sound such as a telephone ringing or a knock or ring on a door).

"Digby answered the door"

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Ok Kinky. You've ducked my deficit question. No answer.

Lets try another.

How would an independent Scotland post Brexit propose to pay back it's share of the national debt, estimated to be in the region of £76 billion?"

I believe Boris Johnson told the EU whistle for it lmao

Is money devolved to Scotland now ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look I really don't care to be independent we must be totally independent, the EU bring in new rules and regulations all the time

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Ok Kinky. You've ducked my deficit question. No answer.

Lets try another.

How would an independent Scotland post Brexit propose to pay back it's share of the national debt, estimated to be in the region of £76 billion?

I believe Boris Johnson told the EU whistle for it lmao

Is money devolved to Scotland now ?"

The national debt is just that...national and a debt. Scotland has a share of that and GERS acknowledges this fact.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Ok Kinky. You've ducked my deficit question. No answer.

Lets try another.

How would an independent Scotland post Brexit propose to pay back it's share of the national debt, estimated to be in the region of £76 billion?

I believe Boris Johnson told the EU whistle for it lmao

Is money devolved to Scotland now ?"

That's money owed to others than Europe ( national debt). How will Scotland pay it back?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Look I really don't care to be independent we must be totally independent, the EU bring in new rules and regulations all the time "

So cant tell me what powers we wont be able to do in an independent Scotland in the EU?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Look I really don't care to be independent we must be totally independent, the EU bring in new rules and regulations all the time

So cant tell me what powers we wont be able to do in an independent Scotland in the EU?

Change corporate tax rates, trade without a Tobin tax.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Ok Kinky. You've ducked my deficit question. No answer.

Lets try another.

How would an independent Scotland post Brexit propose to pay back it's share of the national debt, estimated to be in the region of £76 billion?

I believe Boris Johnson told the EU whistle for it lmao

Is money devolved to Scotland now ?

That's money owed to others than Europe ( national debt). How will Scotland pay it back?"

I told you if it was good enough for Boris to threaten the EU with

Then...... whistle for it lmao

So is money devolved to Scotland ?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Let me help you with the deficit question.

There are three ways of negating a deficit.

You can borrow and hope for better times ahead.

You can cut services and make cost savings in running your Goverment.

You can raise taxation.

Which option would an independent Scotland post Brexit do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you don't understand what independence is just as the snp don't, we are leaving the EU and that is that am not sure what you are looking for from this as you and I are not in the government and can do very little if not nothing about the decision that will be made so the whole thread is just a waste of time

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Ok Kinky. You've ducked my deficit question. No answer.

Lets try another.

How would an independent Scotland post Brexit propose to pay back it's share of the national debt, estimated to be in the region of £76 billion?

I believe Boris Johnson told the EU whistle for it lmao

Is money devolved to Scotland now ?

That's money owed to others than Europe ( national debt). How will Scotland pay it back?

I told you if it was good enough for Boris to threaten the EU with

Then...... whistle for it lmao

So is money devolved to Scotland ?"

But this isn't the EU we are talking about is it.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"I think you don't understand what independence is just as the snp don't, we are leaving the EU and that is that am not sure what you are looking for from this as you and I are not in the government and can do very little if not nothing about the decision that will be made so the whole thread is just a waste of time "

No i dont you do

So are you calling Germany , Sweden , Italy , France not independent countries within the EU bloc ?

So again what powers wont we be able to do in an independent Scotland in the EU

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Which government in the UK has ranked up this UK debt ?

More debt than any Labour government

I give you clue the scumbags lol

So yeah whistle for it lol

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

No i dont you do

So are you calling Germany , Sweden , Italy , France not independent countries within the EU bloc ?

So again what powers wont we be able to do in an independent Scotland in the EU"

I have you a clear and succinct answer to that a few posts ago.

To repeat them

Trade without a Tobin tax

Vary corporate tax rates

I could have included borrow on international markets

(All the above about to happen unless veto in place)

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

One of the those things would be opt outs of VAT, the UK when the treaties were being made managed to get these opt outs.

For example, basic foods in the UK do not attract VAT, as do books, children's clothes and shoes.

Instantly all these things would be more expensive (20%), also Schengen is a requirement for new members too

I do think that you are putting the cart before the horse here, we do not comply with the rules required of membership.

We would need to set up a central bank and a new currency and have the reserves to protect it.

This would be expensive and risky.

I'm sorry but we have to take these difficult steps before even considering membership.

Interesting to note, the last new member of the EU took ten years from application to accession.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"One of the those things would be opt outs of VAT, the UK when the treaties were being made managed to get these opt outs.

For example, basic foods in the UK do not attract VAT, as do books, children's clothes and shoes.

Instantly all these things would be more expensive (20%), also Schengen is a requirement for new members too

I do think that you are putting the cart before the horse here, we do not comply with the rules required of membership.

We would need to set up a central bank and a new currency and have the reserves to protect it.

This would be expensive and risky.

I'm sorry but we have to take these difficult steps before even considering membership.

Interesting to note, the last new member of the EU took ten years from application to accession. "

Just out of interest who was it and any idea of how long it took to get to the position where they could apply?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I am saying they are not truly independent as they have the EU telling them what rules to follow, I don't understand what you aren't getting about my post fuck the EU lets build a wall around Scotland to keep them out and we can put you on the other side of it with them lol

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Yes I am saying they are not truly independent as they have the EU telling them what rules to follow, I don't understand what you aren't getting about my post fuck the EU lets build a wall around Scotland to keep them out and we can put you on the other side of it with them lol"

Ok so are you telling me Brussels is telling all 27 independent countries in the EU what they can and cannot do ?

I give you an example the UK have power over immigrantion its reversed to the UK government so you telling me thats the EU fault ?

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I give you clue the scumbags lol

So yeah whistle for it lol

That response is one of the reasons you get so much flak, this is not how governments do business it may be fine for dodgy used car salesmen but not governments.

For Scotland to become an independent country, it will require an act of Parliament, there is no way the Parliament would accept that Scotland does not take a share of debt.

The only other route would be a unilateral declaration of independence.

This however would be fraught with danger, as the new country would be seen as a defaulter and a high risk for loans making them expensive.

Think what you are saying, bravado doesn't work on the money markets.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Ps for all you leave voters will be be refusing help from a EU citizen in a hospital ?

Will you refuse to get to get your takaways ?

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Just out of interest who was it and any idea of how long it took to get to the position where they could apply?"

Croatia, pre application help is available here:https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/instruments/overview_en

And application process here: https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/policy/conditions-membership_en

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Wonder why you left this out Ticklybit lol

Which government in the UK has ranked up this UK debt ?

More debt than any Labour government

Not willing to answer lol

I do wonder why

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at what point did I say that they do that? I understand that some powers are up to the home nations but not all of them, am not sure what your real issues are but they are clearly many its time to move on and just deal with what is happening rather than what you are doing now

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Look at what point did I say that they do that? I understand that some powers are up to the home nations but not all of them, am not sure what your real issues are but they are clearly many its time to move on and just deal with what is happening rather than what you are doing now"

So Brussels doesnt go around telling government in the EU 27 what to say and do ?

Who knew eh lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you work that out? Not all vote leave are against immigration, immigration has helped all four nations in the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is pointless you truly have no clue about what goes on and I can't and won't waste my time on people like you, no wonder you get so much shit on here

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

That will be our government, the government of the UK.

Try and be a smart arse all you want but they will demand that an independent Scotland takes a share of its debt.

What shade of party that was in government does not alter that fact.

Now you want to join the EU with no currency, central bank and reserves?

That is not possible, you simply do not understand how these things work.

Many people consider you a fool, you have just confirmed it for them.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"How do you work that out? Not all vote leave are against immigration, immigration has helped all four nations in the UK "

But its the biggest reason for brexit correct ?

Take back our borders was it ?

Lol

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So its the Tory government thst has ranked up the UK debt thank you very much

So whistle for it!!!! Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not why I voted leave I think you will find Scotland needs more immigration not less but like I said this is pointless as I'd get more out of stone than I get from you

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

And be seen by the world as a defaulter, a bad debtor, a pariah state, one which would be shunned by the world's money markets.

Good move, a great start to a new country.

Thats sarcasm by the way.

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