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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Virgin / Stagecoach jointly operate the UK East Coast mainline government train franchise, receiving subsidies paid for by UK taxpayers. They want to get out of the contract early, because they aren't making the profits they expected to.

How should their demands be responded to? We let them walk away, we stand the costs of franchise letting again etc?

They'll be allowed to bid for new rail franchises so, if a fan, you won't potentially have to miss out too much.

Beforehand, this line was state run and it returned a good profit to the country, not needing the subsidies that we are paying virgin/Stagecoach but the conservatives decided to franchise it again, awarding it to these sharks.

Proud of our privatized rail system? Would you force them to maintain all of their contracts, potentially losing all profits etc?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You bloody teaser

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"You bloody teaser "

At least services to Manchester are secure for now.

What would you do with these sharks? Any reference to virgins is in honor of my intact innocence btw

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You bloody teaser

At least services to Manchester are secure for now.

What would you do with these sharks? Any reference to virgins is in honor of my intact innocence btw "
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It basically boils down to what I've always said, we're mired down in cronieism, welfare for millionaires and socialisim for bankers

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"You bloody teaser

At least services to Manchester are secure for now.

What would you do with these sharks? Any reference to virgins is in honor of my intact innocence btw .

It basically boils down to what I've always said, we're mired down in cronieism, welfare for millionaires and socialisim for bankers"

Crumbs for others, if lucky, whilst you fund the above systems

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

You'd like to think that some pretty sever financial penalties were included for any breaches of contract. If so that would be a starting point for negotiations.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Virgin / Stagecoach jointly operate the UK East Coast mainline government train franchise, receiving subsidies paid for by UK taxpayers. They want to get out of the contract early, because they aren't making the profits they expected to.

How should their demands be responded to? We let them walk away, we stand the costs of franchise letting again etc?

They'll be allowed to bid for new rail franchises so, if a fan, you won't potentially have to miss out too much.

Beforehand, this line was state run and it returned a good profit to the country, not needing the subsidies that we are paying virgin/Stagecoach but the conservatives decided to franchise it again, awarding it to these sharks.

Proud of our privatized rail system? Would you force them to maintain all of their contracts, potentially losing all profits etc? "

for the sake of clarity i have to say that before i joined the civil service i worked for the last company who gave the east coast railway back to the government.....

so.... what would i do....

well since the DoT and the people who were running the railway made a good job of it and were running it at a profit before they franchised it back out.....

don't bother refranchising it..... just let them run it again.....

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I agree Fabio, it was successful as state-run and could form the template for other franchises coming back into state management.

I'd assumed that there were penalties incurred for early termination - but now wondering if these were one way, only to be paid by the state to virgin, if the government cancelled the license.

It certainly does not seem right for these sharks to be let walk away. Souter seemed a despicable anti-gay bastard that I'd have happily seen bankrupt. He spent a fortune campaigning against gay support and education -I'm biased but also against the privatization model.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Stagecoach/virgin have had the franchise revoked as of tonight. They continue to run services on a "cost only" basis, and will not be allowed to take any more profit.

The Government could either take the service back in house, as they did before with National Express, or re-franchise it.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Virgin / Stagecoach jointly operate the UK East Coast mainline government train franchise, receiving subsidies paid for by UK taxpayers. They want to get out of the contract early, because they aren't making the profits they expected to.

How should their demands be responded to? We let them walk away, we stand the costs of franchise letting again etc?

They'll be allowed to bid for new rail franchises so, if a fan, you won't potentially have to miss out too much.

Beforehand, this line was state run and it returned a good profit to the country, not needing the subsidies that we are paying virgin/Stagecoach but the conservatives decided to franchise it again, awarding it to these sharks.

Proud of our privatized rail system? Would you force them to maintain all of their contracts, potentially losing all profits etc? "
No they must carry on they are in business so they take risk simple.Furthermore if they do not provide the service they are meant to they should be fined and directors sent to prison.This is the way private industry should be dealt with not the soft approach we have now,if we did this capitalism would work better.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Virgin / Stagecoach jointly operate the UK East Coast mainline government train franchise, receiving subsidies paid for by UK taxpayers. They want to get out of the contract early, because they aren't making the profits they expected to.

How should their demands be responded to? We let them walk away, we stand the costs of franchise letting again etc?

They'll be allowed to bid for new rail franchises so, if a fan, you won't potentially have to miss out too much.

Beforehand, this line was state run and it returned a good profit to the country, not needing the subsidies that we are paying virgin/Stagecoach but the conservatives decided to franchise it again, awarding it to these sharks.

Proud of our privatized rail system? Would you force them to maintain all of their contracts, potentially losing all profits etc? No they must carry on they are in business so they take risk simple.Furthermore if they do not provide the service they are meant to they should be fined and directors sent to prison.This is the way private industry should be dealt with not the soft approach we have now,if we did this capitalism would work better."

Will you perform citizens arrests upon Richard Branson and Brian Souter?

I agree that that business entered into contracts and should be heavily punished for non-fulfillment of their duties. Prison may be too good for this pair, although it should be at their cost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Furthermore if they do not provide the service they are meant to they should be fined and directors sent to prison."

And if you didn't do your job as you were meant to do then you should go to prison too then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Furthermore if they do not provide the service they are meant to they should be fined and directors sent to prison.

And if you didn't do your job as you were meant to do then you should go to prison too then ?"

you speak like nobody ever got punished because they fucked up in their job .... happens all the time .... why not when massive multinational/multicorporate suits fuck up too?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"Stagecoach/virgin have had the franchise revoked as of tonight. They continue to run services on a "cost only" basis, and will not be allowed to take any more profit.

The Government could either take the service back in house, as they did before with National Express, or re-franchise it.

"

There's a further precedent, when Connex was stripped of its franchise in Kent South Eastern Trains was installed as the (publicly owned) operator. Unfortunately punctuality and profit wasn't enough to keep the routes public so it was franchised out again to Southeastern at which point the punctuality dropped again as well as commuter satisfaction (it usually ranks worst operator).

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Virgin / Stagecoach jointly operate the UK East Coast mainline government train franchise, receiving subsidies paid for by UK taxpayers. They want to get out of the contract early, because they aren't making the profits they expected to.

How should their demands be responded to? We let them walk away, we stand the costs of franchise letting again etc?

They'll be allowed to bid for new rail franchises so, if a fan, you won't potentially have to miss out too much.

Beforehand, this line was state run and it returned a good profit to the country, not needing the subsidies that we are paying virgin/Stagecoach but the conservatives decided to franchise it again, awarding it to these sharks.

Proud of our privatized rail system? Would you force them to maintain all of their contracts, potentially losing all profits etc? "

Is that the same line that was handed back early because it was not making money then run by a public trust so well that it did not need subsidies, had the highest customer satisfaction rating of all the network rail operators and was actually contributing to the public purse but was then re-privatised by the Tories and needed to be subsidised again within 6 months? Is this another case of privatising profit and nationalising loss because the Tories are ideologically opposed to the British state holding any profitable British infrastructure or services (no matter how much of a monopoly they have) in trust for the British people?

And isn't there another partner in the background? Maybe the French or Dutch states have a significant holding in this franchise...

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"it was franchised out again to Southeastern at which point the punctuality dropped again as well as commuter satisfaction (it usually ranks worst operator). "

Because of the way Southern Rail is subsidised by the public purse the worse its service the more money it makes and it makes the most money when it runs no trains! So it has a vested interest in fermenting strikes and running the shittest service it can get away with!

But for some reason the sheeple they sheer and pack into its trains like cattle keep voting for the party that thought up the private rail wheeze for their billionaire mates and foreign countries to profit from.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Virgin / Stagecoach jointly operate the UK East Coast mainline government train franchise, receiving subsidies paid for by UK taxpayers. They want to get out of the contract early, because they aren't making the profits they expected to.

How should their demands be responded to? We let them walk away, we stand the costs of franchise letting again etc?

They'll be allowed to bid for new rail franchises so, if a fan, you won't potentially have to miss out too much.

Beforehand, this line was state run and it returned a good profit to the country, not needing the subsidies that we are paying virgin/Stagecoach but the conservatives decided to franchise it again, awarding it to these sharks.

Proud of our privatized rail system? Would you force them to maintain all of their contracts, potentially losing all profits etc?

Is that the same line that was handed back early because it was not making money then run by a public trust so well that it did not need subsidies, had the highest customer satisfaction rating of all the network rail operators and was actually contributing to the public purse but was then re-privatised by the Tories and needed to be subsidised again within 6 months? Is this another case of privatising profit and nationalising loss because the Tories are ideologically opposed to the British state holding any profitable British infrastructure or services (no matter how much of a monopoly they have) in trust for the British people?

And isn't there another partner in the background? Maybe the French or Dutch states have a significant holding in this franchise..."

You're right, it is that line that was really popular when it was state run again etc.

There ought to be huge fines for leaving the franchise - I can imagine that Branson will continue a luxury lifestyle, as will Stagecoach Brian Souter.

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