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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Indian farmers have been using enormous quantities of antibiotics of last resort upon their animals. This can help the animals cope better with living conditions, potentially fattening them up for sale. There are now just one or two antibiotics that can be used to help save lives, if someone has infections that are caused by antibiotics-resistant bacteria.

The government is excited about the opportunities to increase trade with countries post Brexit, when we will become free from the bureaucratic nightmares of standards and unelected officials imposing restrictions on what and how we trade, including limiting food supplies.

Are you similarly enthusiastic about increasing your dietary choices, getting a buzz after eating some nuggets, knowing they were enjoying life in the Indian sunshine just days earlier? We are what we eat, as they say - we'll soon be free of the shackles of that terrible European lot. Maybe those super antibiotics will help make you stronger

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

Perhaps we can actually turn to our own farmers and use British produced goods!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People always have a choice in what they buy and where it comes from.

In this world of tractability of all food stufs ect I don’t think it would be a problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There have been clear statements that restrictions on such products would remain regardless....as with “chlorinated” chicken from USA.

The British consumer wouldn’t buy it...therefore no market for it here.

Irrelevant what the Indians do to kill themselves.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Rees Hogg says if environmental standards are good enough for India, they are good enough for the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rees Hogg says if environmental standards are good enough for India, they are good enough for the UK "

A the wisdom of a man who votes with his Catholic soul in mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Perhaps we can actually turn to our own farmers and use British produced goods!"

We could and can, it would be far more efficient packaging and carbon footprint wise.

Im in favour of encouraging people to reduce their meat intake and I think the gov should offer tax relief for first time farmers or farmers who wish to increase livestock diversification.

Given we had a good variety of terrain in the UK and a climate which is not particularly harsh we should look at goats and llama as new mainstream meat options.

Lower CO2 footprint than cows and pigs too and actually good for upland grazing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People always have a choice in what they buy and where it comes from.

In this world of tractability of all food stufs ect I don’t think it would be a problem "

Ah yes another free marketeer with little understanding of pathology snd antiotic resistance.

It doesnt matter about the demand for such meat, the fact is if you import it you are risking the contamination of all livestock and all meat.

Someone eats it, antibiotic resistant genes enter their system - theres a risk the genes are passed on to them.

If not and regardless, you will eventually excrete these antibiotic resistant genes through feacal matter, and guess what, no matter the water treatment processes, it always eventually ends up in the water course and the soil around the water course.

And guess what, that water is given to livestock, and animals graze potentially on this soil. And then you end up with antibiotic uptake in our own livestock.

This is just one way in which this could happen, outside of cross contamination in transit via human error which is more likely in the short term.

I really suggest you understand why its good to be protectionist over food imports when you are a highly advanced nation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There have been clear statements that restrictions on such products would remain regardless....as with “chlorinated” chicken from USA.

The British consumer wouldn’t buy it...therefore no market for it here.

Irrelevant what the Indians do to kill themselves."

The Indian PM has made it clear, a bilatteral free trade deal means unfettered market access.

Unless we grind him down he will not allow us to impliment protectionist measures.

Market forces are wonderful, until geopolitics get in the way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People always have a choice in what they buy and where it comes from.

In this world of tractability of all food stufs ect I don’t think it would be a problem

Ah yes another free marketeer with little understanding of pathology snd antiotic resistance.

It doesnt matter about the demand for such meat, the fact is if you import it you are risking the contamination of all livestock and all meat.

Someone eats it, antibiotic resistant genes enter their system - theres a risk the genes are passed on to them.

If not and regardless, you will eventually excrete these antibiotic resistant genes through feacal matter, and guess what, no matter the water treatment processes, it always eventually ends up in the water course and the soil around the water course.

And guess what, that water is given to livestock, and animals graze potentially on this soil. And then you end up with antibiotic uptake in our own livestock.

This is just one way in which this could happen, outside of cross contamination in transit via human error which is more likely in the short term.

I really suggest you understand why its good to be protectionist over food imports when you are a highly advanced nation."

Need help here, the example you have given about the anti biotics from suggested Indian imports getting into the water and grazing fields,

Surely using the same analogy the water and grazing are already for want of a better word infected,by everybody in the country using anti biotics then going to the toilet.

Or am I missing something

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People always have a choice in what they buy and where it comes from.

In this world of tractability of all food stufs ect I don’t think it would be a problem

Ah yes another free marketeer with little understanding of pathology snd antiotic resistance.

It doesnt matter about the demand for such meat, the fact is if you import it you are risking the contamination of all livestock and all meat.

Someone eats it, antibiotic resistant genes enter their system - theres a risk the genes are passed on to them.

If not and regardless, you will eventually excrete these antibiotic resistant genes through feacal matter, and guess what, no matter the water treatment processes, it always eventually ends up in the water course and the soil around the water course.

And guess what, that water is given to livestock, and animals graze potentially on this soil. And then you end up with antibiotic uptake in our own livestock.

This is just one way in which this could happen, outside of cross contamination in transit via human error which is more likely in the short term.

I really suggest you understand why its good to be protectionist over food imports when you are a highly advanced nation."

It’s not a relevant argument because people are traveling from India everyday of the week and I’m sure they use the toilet at least one a day they stay here.

So you’re argument about the imported meat does not stand up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People always have a choice in what they buy and where it comes from.

In this world of tractability of all food stufs ect I don’t think it would be a problem

Ah yes another free marketeer with little understanding of pathology snd antiotic resistance.

It doesnt matter about the demand for such meat, the fact is if you import it you are risking the contamination of all livestock and all meat.

Someone eats it, antibiotic resistant genes enter their system - theres a risk the genes are passed on to them.

If not and regardless, you will eventually excrete these antibiotic resistant genes through feacal matter, and guess what, no matter the water treatment processes, it always eventually ends up in the water course and the soil around the water course.

And guess what, that water is given to livestock, and animals graze potentially on this soil. And then you end up with antibiotic uptake in our own livestock.

This is just one way in which this could happen, outside of cross contamination in transit via human error which is more likely in the short term.

I really suggest you understand why its good to be protectionist over food imports when you are a highly advanced nation.

Need help here, the example you have given about the anti biotics from suggested Indian imports getting into the water and grazing fields,

Surely using the same analogy the water and grazing are already for want of a better word infected,by everybody in the country using anti biotics then going to the toilet.

Or am I missing something "

We have more strict regulation of antibiotics in agriculture - we put it forward in the EUNand its was so widely accepted as good common practice that they took our policies made them stricter as new data came out and standardised them.

In short, yes we use antibiotics in agriculture and livestock farming, but far less in amount and far few in range. India uses them wholesale.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People always have a choice in what they buy and where it comes from.

In this world of tractability of all food stufs ect I don’t think it would be a problem

Ah yes another free marketeer with little understanding of pathology snd antiotic resistance.

It doesnt matter about the demand for such meat, the fact is if you import it you are risking the contamination of all livestock and all meat.

Someone eats it, antibiotic resistant genes enter their system - theres a risk the genes are passed on to them.

If not and regardless, you will eventually excrete these antibiotic resistant genes through feacal matter, and guess what, no matter the water treatment processes, it always eventually ends up in the water course and the soil around the water course.

And guess what, that water is given to livestock, and animals graze potentially on this soil. And then you end up with antibiotic uptake in our own livestock.

This is just one way in which this could happen, outside of cross contamination in transit via human error which is more likely in the short term.

I really suggest you understand why its good to be protectionist over food imports when you are a highly advanced nation.

It’s not a relevant argument because people are traveling from India everyday of the week and I’m sure they use the toilet at least one a day they stay here.

So you’re argument about the imported meat does not stand up "

Did you actually read and digest what I put you nonce?

Im not on about people from india coming here and taking a shit.

Im on about meat from an antibiotic resistant organism being imported here, consumed by a british national, then being shat out by an brit into our watercourse, then contaminating our livestock via water and groundwater.

Then of course there is touch to touch contact if someone handles Indian meat and then handles say none antibiotic resistant meat from here.

Maybe actually read and understand something before making a comment

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

People who question the relevance, may like to ponder how quickly fast growing organisms can both mutate as well as acquire and spread immunity to our drugs.

Antibiotics are used differently around the world and the EU has had a generally more controlled environment than many other countries - the UK has been an element in creating and enforcing those standards.

We now have a couple of antibiotic drugs left to use on people infected with bacteria that are resistant to the range that you'll commonly be treated with - they are our last resort. Indian farmers have been using these last resort antibiotics as a standard components of their animal raising process, because it helps to increase poultry size, for example and thus increases profit.

It could be viewed as exciting by some that we can throw off the restrictions that the EU has forced into our choices as shoppers and food consumers. Maybe you want to benefit from cheap food raised in India, for example - the world is your oyster and you know where you are with business people who will want to become your trade partners, surely. It's not that pesky 2 sisters chicken, this is Indian chicken, so a better deal! . This isn't about demonising other countries, just recognising that en-masse infiltration into our coccooned food plants and healthcare systems of vast amounts of highly deadly materials could rapidly degrade the quality of life for millions - that's if you and your family remain alive.

The government of course has keen eyed business experts who are looking to get some quick deals done Liam Fox for example. You're feeling secure in the knowledge that the world offers huge potential for you, now you are sovereign again, knowing you made the right voting choice - Europes rules were just holding us back, when there's a big world to open our doors to. Of course we're safe, we're the UK

And you're young, so won't be picking up infections for which there is no known treatment, you'll not need minor operations or get a scratch that a super-bug infects, losing your limbs and then life. No problem! Your kids and parents are strong too - they'll pick nothing up from anyone ever. The UK is secure, borders under our control, that chirpy Ukip type was so happy

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I do cringe when I keep hearing people talk about unelected officials in Europe coming up with rules.

The decisions are taken by the council of ministers and implemented by officials.

The council consists of representatives of the governments of the 28 member states. Elected representatives. It's a requirement of membership of the EU that the national governments are democratic.

I believe the voting record of the UK in council decisions is almost 90 per cent in agreement with the outcome.

Another urban myth perpetrated by the Johnsons, Goves etc and gladly lapped up by the Daily Mail etc.

Next you'll be telling me that the negotiating position of the EU is determined by unelected officials, too.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I do cringe when I keep hearing people talk about unelected officials in Europe coming up with rules.

The decisions are taken by the council of ministers and implemented by officials.

The council consists of representatives of the governments of the 28 member states. Elected representatives. It's a requirement of membership of the EU that the national governments are democratic.

I believe the voting record of the UK in council decisions is almost 90 per cent in agreement with the outcome.

Another urban myth perpetrated by the Johnsons, Goves etc and gladly lapped up by the Daily Mail etc.

Next you'll be telling me that the negotiating position of the EU is determined by unelected officials, too.

"

They're just ignorant but had it fuelled by the campaign liars

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"People always have a choice in what they buy and where it comes from.

In this world of tractability of all food stufs ect I don’t think it would be a problem "

Not if they're on a tight budget they don't, hence horsemeat in Aldi/Asda/Lidl products but not Waitrose


"There have been clear statements that restrictions on such products would remain regardless....as with “chlorinated” chicken from USA.

The British consumer wouldn’t buy it...therefore no market for it here.

Irrelevant what the Indians do to kill themselves."

Given the chance 'the British consumer' will buy it, cheap always sells.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Perhaps we can actually turn to our own farmers and use British produced goods!"

As you can do that now if you want to why don't you, rather than forcing a harmful BREXIT on us all?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"People always have a choice in what they buy and where it comes from.

In this world of tractability of all food stufs ect I don’t think it would be a problem "

I've eaten chlorinated chicken, and antibiotic and GM fed beef while in the US. It tastes fine and, as far as I know, it's not done me any harm. I have no problem from my own personal health in eating any of it. However, whilst I think the GM argument is over stated, there are good animal health and welfare arguments against chlorinated cleaned meat and over use of antibiotics. The antibiotics argument also has long term implications for the use of antibiotics in health care for humans too. In short, if such products were available here and cheaper than the other products in the UK I, and many others, would probably buy then because there is evidence that they are personally harmful but, for both the animals and society's long term good, there are problems.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Rees Hogg says if environmental standards are good enough for India, they are good enough for the UK

A the wisdom of a man who votes with his Catholic soul in mind"

I vote with my Catholic soul in mind too but often don't agree with Mogg. But hey, why not drag a bit of irrelevant anti Papist bigotry into the debate. I'm sure it will help.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"I vote with my Catholic soul in mind too but often don't agree with Mogg. But hey, why not drag a bit of irrelevant anti Papist bigotry into the debate. I'm sure it will help."

I'm a catholic too. But must say when a politician (of any creed) starts using religion to justify his voting then I will be first in line to point out his religious bigotry regardless of religion. So Mogg is fair game when it come to anti papist attacks, and you like every other catholic should be telling him to shut the fuck up and not involve our religion in his politics!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"People who question the relevance, may like to ponder how quickly fast growing organisms can both mutate as well as acquire and spread immunity to our drugs.

Antibiotics are used differently around the world and the EU has had a generally more controlled environment than many other countries - the UK has been an element in creating and enforcing those standards.

We now have a couple of antibiotic drugs left to use on people infected with bacteria that are resistant to the range that you'll commonly be treated with - they are our last resort. Indian farmers have been using these last resort antibiotics as a standard components of their animal raising process, because it helps to increase poultry size, for example and thus increases profit.

It could be viewed as exciting by some that we can throw off the restrictions that the EU has forced into our choices as shoppers and food consumers. Maybe you want to benefit from cheap food raised in India, for example - the world is your oyster and you know where you are with business people who will want to become your trade partners, surely. It's not that pesky 2 sisters chicken, this is Indian chicken, so a better deal! . This isn't about demonising other countries, just recognising that en-masse infiltration into our coccooned food plants and healthcare systems of vast amounts of highly deadly materials could rapidly degrade the quality of life for millions - that's if you and your family remain alive.

The government of course has keen eyed business experts who are looking to get some quick deals done Liam Fox for example. You're feeling secure in the knowledge that the world offers huge potential for you, now you are sovereign again, knowing you made the right voting choice - Europes rules were just holding us back, when there's a big world to open our doors to. Of course we're safe, we're the UK

And you're young, so won't be picking up infections for which there is no known treatment, you'll not need minor operations or get a scratch that a super-bug infects, losing your limbs and then life. No problem! Your kids and parents are strong too - they'll pick nothing up from anyone ever. The UK is secure, borders under our control, that chirpy Ukip type was so happy

"

I've bought antibiotics in Spain without seeing a doctor before. Just went into a chemists and asked for them.

As for antibiotics being used in meat....the UK imports over 125,000 tonnes of chicken from Thailand every year - who extensively use antibiotics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You guys do realize that giving out antibiotics like smarties creates a situation where resistance builds up to the point of making operations dangerous.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

There was a time in Britain's recent history when someone like Rees-Mogg would've been barred from Parliament and treated like a second-class citizen because his loyalty was to a foreign head of state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was a time in Britain's recent history when someone like Rees-Mogg would've been barred from Parliament and treated like a second-class citizen because his loyalty was to a foreign head of state."

Well said .

If you are loyal to a foreign head of state and his imaginary friend , questions should be asked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You guys do realize that giving out antibiotics like smarties creates a situation where resistance builds up to the point of making operations dangerous."

I am supposed to be on antibiotics from October to April, my doctor advised this due to no spleen

helps fight off and prevent infection

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You guys do realize that giving out antibiotics like smarties creates a situation where resistance builds up to the point of making operations dangerous.

I am supposed to be on antibiotics from October to April, my doctor advised this due to no spleen

helps fight off and prevent infection "
Imagine a world were bacteria is resistant to all antibiotics .

This will happen if we give them out like smarties.Google it.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"I am supposed to be on antibiotics from October to April, my doctor advised this due to no spleen

helps fight off and prevent infection "

Now that is not quite the same as my doctor told me that taking antibiotics is protection against colds and flu.

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By *tjohnspairCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

We may be free to import the rubbish....but if people don’t want to eat substandard, poisoned meat then there will be no market for it. Country of origin labelling means I and just about everyone I know wouldn’t dream of buying meat from any other source than UK.

Even maccyDs were pressured into sourcing ALL their food from UK and Ireland. That’s the power of public pressure!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You guys do realize that giving out antibiotics like smarties creates a situation where resistance builds up to the point of making operations dangerous.

I am supposed to be on antibiotics from October to April, my doctor advised this due to no spleen

helps fight off and prevent infection "

That is not the same as roughly an entire nation's livestock being immunte to antibiotics and passing it on to the consumers immune system.

We are perscribed antibiotics when we need them, and are meant to be told to take painkillers for anything else.

Livestock is not the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People who question the relevance, may like to ponder how quickly fast growing organisms can both mutate as well as acquire and spread immunity to our drugs.

Antibiotics are used differently around the world and the EU has had a generally more controlled environment than many other countries - the UK has been an element in creating and enforcing those standards.

We now have a couple of antibiotic drugs left to use on people infected with bacteria that are resistant to the range that you'll commonly be treated with - they are our last resort. Indian farmers have been using these last resort antibiotics as a standard components of their animal raising process, because it helps to increase poultry size, for example and thus increases profit.

It could be viewed as exciting by some that we can throw off the restrictions that the EU has forced into our choices as shoppers and food consumers. Maybe you want to benefit from cheap food raised in India, for example - the world is your oyster and you know where you are with business people who will want to become your trade partners, surely. It's not that pesky 2 sisters chicken, this is Indian chicken, so a better deal! . This isn't about demonising other countries, just recognising that en-masse infiltration into our coccooned food plants and healthcare systems of vast amounts of highly deadly materials could rapidly degrade the quality of life for millions - that's if you and your family remain alive.

The government of course has keen eyed business experts who are looking to get some quick deals done Liam Fox for example. You're feeling secure in the knowledge that the world offers huge potential for you, now you are sovereign again, knowing you made the right voting choice - Europes rules were just holding us back, when there's a big world to open our doors to. Of course we're safe, we're the UK

And you're young, so won't be picking up infections for which there is no known treatment, you'll not need minor operations or get a scratch that a super-bug infects, losing your limbs and then life. No problem! Your kids and parents are strong too - they'll pick nothing up from anyone ever. The UK is secure, borders under our control, that chirpy Ukip type was so happy

I've bought antibiotics in Spain without seeing a doctor before. Just went into a chemists and asked for them.

As for antibiotics being used in meat....the UK imports over 125,000 tonnes of chicken from Thailand every year - who extensively use antibiotics. "

Source?

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"We may be free to import the rubbish....but if people don’t want to eat substandard, poisoned meat then there will be no market for it. Country of origin labelling means I and just about everyone I know wouldn’t dream of buying meat from any other source than UK.

Even maccyDs were pressured into sourcing ALL their food from UK and Ireland. That’s the power of public pressure!"

You might be assuming that UK labelling and food standards will remain the same and will be accurate.

More than half of the UK s food is now highly processed, which can mean that food from varying sources and types becomes transformed. After Brexit, the UK will become eager for more food supplies and especially cheaper ingredients. We can't assume standards will remain transparent and high, just that shoppers will have choices offered that will be outside of their current range.

Even if we just had a small volume of food imported that contained bacteria resistant to the popular and last ditch hope antibiotics, it could create a country that is a sitting time bomb.

We have a couple of antibiotics that can potentially save the lives of some people infected with antibiotics resistant infections - some may still die. When those final choice drugs are of no use,, then routine operations start to become sites that get people infected and cause deaths as standard. We've currently got a window of a few years on these bugs because we can use the drugs cautiously. We throw that away if we accept food from countries that use the final choice drugs as routine tools to fatten their animals up for sale to us.

Our politicians are desperate to find trade deals outside of Europe because the clock is ticking. We should be cautious about the unintended consequences of rushing out of a system that is inherently protective of its population, to gain some claimed 'freedoms'.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Source?"

Actually it is correct that you can buy penicillin without prescription in Spain. However other antibiotics are PMO's.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"I've bought antibiotics in Spain without seeing a doctor before. Just went into a chemists and asked for them."

Empiric administering from a pharmacist isn't the same as the prophylactic treatment of a whole herd though is it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We may be free to import the rubbish....but if people don’t want to eat substandard, poisoned meat then there will be no market for it. Country of origin labelling means I and just about everyone I know wouldn’t dream of buying meat from any other source than UK.

Even maccyDs were pressured into sourcing ALL their food from UK and Ireland. That’s the power of public pressure!

You might be assuming that UK labelling and food standards will remain the same and will be accurate.

More than half of the UK s food is now highly processed, which can mean that food from varying sources and types becomes transformed. After Brexit, the UK will become eager for more food supplies and especially cheaper ingredients. We can't assume standards will remain transparent and high, just that shoppers will have choices offered that will be outside of their current range.

Even if we just had a small volume of food imported that contained bacteria resistant to the popular and last ditch hope antibiotics, it could create a country that is a sitting time bomb.

We have a couple of antibiotics that can potentially save the lives of some people infected with antibiotics resistant infections - some may still die. When those final choice drugs are of no use,, then routine operations start to become sites that get people infected and cause deaths as standard. We've currently got a window of a few years on these bugs because we can use the drugs cautiously. We throw that away if we accept food from countries that use the final choice drugs as routine tools to fatten their animals up for sale to us.

Our politicians are desperate to find trade deals outside of Europe because the clock is ticking. We should be cautious about the unintended consequences of rushing out of a system that is inherently protective of its population, to gain some claimed 'freedoms'.

"

Given the leave campaign pro.ised cheaper food imports and prices, and DEFRA and the Food Standards Agency both said this would only be possible by lowering our food saftey measures and decreasing our customer saftey regulations, we can see that brexit is a potential health hazard.

I also dare say it will create a working class/upper class food saftey divide.

Those who can afford better sourced and produced food, the health risks will be immediately lower. Less so for the less affluent of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rees Hogg says if environmental standards are good enough for India, they are good enough for the UK

A the wisdom of a man who votes with his Catholic soul in mind

I vote with my Catholic soul in mind too but often don't agree with Mogg. But hey, why not drag a bit of irrelevant anti Papist bigotry into the debate. I'm sure it will help."

Would you propose, edit and vote against certain bills because your theology says so though?

Parliment is meant to be secular but the man brazenly votes with obvious intent of being a catholic rather than in the interests of the individual.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"There was a time in Britain's recent history when someone like Rees-Mogg would've been barred from Parliament and treated like a second-class citizen because his loyalty was to a foreign head of state."

There was also a time in Britain's recent history when women who made nettle tea were burnt at the stake. Luckily we've moved on from those days.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I am supposed to be on antibiotics from October to April, my doctor advised this due to no spleen

helps fight off and prevent infection

Now that is not quite the same as my doctor told me that taking antibiotics is protection against colds and flu."

They can't help against colds and flu but they can help in warding of secondary infections which in the case of colds is often what makes your throat feel saw.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"We may be free to import the rubbish....but if people don’t want to eat substandard, poisoned meat then there will be no market for it. Country of origin labelling means I and just about everyone I know wouldn’t dream of buying meat from any other source than UK.

Even maccyDs were pressured into sourcing ALL their food from UK and Ireland. That’s the power of public pressure!

You might be assuming that UK labelling and food standards will remain the same and will be accurate.

More than half of the UK s food is now highly processed, which can mean that food from varying sources and types becomes transformed. After Brexit, the UK will become eager for more food supplies and especially cheaper ingredients. We can't assume standards will remain transparent and high, just that shoppers will have choices offered that will be outside of their current range.

Even if we just had a small volume of food imported that contained bacteria resistant to the popular and last ditch hope antibiotics, it could create a country that is a sitting time bomb.

We have a couple of antibiotics that can potentially save the lives of some people infected with antibiotics resistant infections - some may still die. When those final choice drugs are of no use,, then routine operations start to become sites that get people infected and cause deaths as standard. We've currently got a window of a few years on these bugs because we can use the drugs cautiously. We throw that away if we accept food from countries that use the final choice drugs as routine tools to fatten their animals up for sale to us.

Our politicians are desperate to find trade deals outside of Europe because the clock is ticking. We should be cautious about the unintended consequences of rushing out of a system that is inherently protective of its population, to gain some claimed 'freedoms'.

Given the leave campaign pro.ised cheaper food imports and prices, and DEFRA and the Food Standards Agency both said this would only be possible by lowering our food saftey measures and decreasing our customer saftey regulations, we can see that brexit is a potential health hazard.

I also dare say it will create a working class/upper class food saftey divide.

Those who can afford better sourced and produced food, the health risks will be immediately lower. Less so for the less affluent of us."

The Common Agricultural Policy was also a reason for leaving the EU.

If foreign imports are significantly cheaper because they are produced in a substandard manner then we have a few options:

Ban them with regulations

Add high tariffs

Subsidise our farmers

All three

That turns to be exactly what we do inside the EU

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over a year ago


"Source?

Actually it is correct that you can buy penicillin without prescription in Spain. However other antibiotics are PMO's. "

Wanted it for the thai chicken comment

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over a year ago


"We may be free to import the rubbish....but if people don’t want to eat substandard, poisoned meat then there will be no market for it. Country of origin labelling means I and just about everyone I know wouldn’t dream of buying meat from any other source than UK.

Even maccyDs were pressured into sourcing ALL their food from UK and Ireland. That’s the power of public pressure!

You might be assuming that UK labelling and food standards will remain the same and will be accurate.

More than half of the UK s food is now highly processed, which can mean that food from varying sources and types becomes transformed. After Brexit, the UK will become eager for more food supplies and especially cheaper ingredients. We can't assume standards will remain transparent and high, just that shoppers will have choices offered that will be outside of their current range.

Even if we just had a small volume of food imported that contained bacteria resistant to the popular and last ditch hope antibiotics, it could create a country that is a sitting time bomb.

We have a couple of antibiotics that can potentially save the lives of some people infected with antibiotics resistant infections - some may still die. When those final choice drugs are of no use,, then routine operations start to become sites that get people infected and cause deaths as standard. We've currently got a window of a few years on these bugs because we can use the drugs cautiously. We throw that away if we accept food from countries that use the final choice drugs as routine tools to fatten their animals up for sale to us.

Our politicians are desperate to find trade deals outside of Europe because the clock is ticking. We should be cautious about the unintended consequences of rushing out of a system that is inherently protective of its population, to gain some claimed 'freedoms'.

Given the leave campaign pro.ised cheaper food imports and prices, and DEFRA and the Food Standards Agency both said this would only be possible by lowering our food saftey measures and decreasing our customer saftey regulations, we can see that brexit is a potential health hazard.

I also dare say it will create a working class/upper class food saftey divide.

Those who can afford better sourced and produced food, the health risks will be immediately lower. Less so for the less affluent of us.

The Common Agricultural Policy was also a reason for leaving the EU.

If foreign imports are significantly cheaper because they are produced in a substandard manner then we have a few options:

Ban them with regulations

Add high tariffs

Subsidise our farmers

All three

That turns to be exactly what we do inside the EU "

Wow what a world of "oppertunity" we're floundering into

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We may be free to import the rubbish....but if people don’t want to eat substandard, poisoned meat then there will be no market for it. Country of origin labelling means I and just about everyone I know wouldn’t dream of buying meat from any other source than UK.

Even maccyDs were pressured into sourcing ALL their food from UK and Ireland. That’s the power of public pressure!"

Ffs the reason the poor voted leave is cause they were told 'cheap food' or partially that.

Poor people will buy this and they will be the catalyst for antibiotic resistance here in the UK.

You either ban it via regulation, or let it in and create a public health and livestock issue.

There's no middle ground here. I'll clarify and let you know im actually someone who works with pathologists so i'm aware of the health risks to us, our livestock and how you cant put a lid on this once you open it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I vote with my Catholic soul in mind too but often don't agree with Mogg. But hey, why not drag a bit of irrelevant anti Papist bigotry into the debate. I'm sure it will help.

I'm a catholic too. But must say when a politician (of any creed) starts using religion to justify his voting then I will be first in line to point out his religious bigotry regardless of religion. So Mogg is fair game when it come to anti papist attacks, and you like every other catholic should be telling him to shut the fuck up and not involve our religion in his politics!"

While he may believe that his religious beliefs are the source of some of his political beliefs it clearly isn't the case as there are probably as many with the same or similar religious beliefs to him who definitely don't hold the same political beliefs.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"There was a time in Britain's recent history when someone like Rees-Mogg would've been barred from Parliament and treated like a second-class citizen because his loyalty was to a foreign head of state.

Well said .

If you are loyal to a foreign head of state and his imaginary friend , questions should be asked. "

If your unquestionably loyal to anything, religious or not, surely questions should be asked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was a time in Britain's recent history when someone like Rees-Mogg would've been barred from Parliament and treated like a second-class citizen because his loyalty was to a foreign head of state.

Well said .

If you are loyal to a foreign head of state and his imaginary friend , questions should be asked.

If your unquestionably loyal to anything, religious or not, surely questions should be asked."

I'd say you'd need see a clinical therapist if that were the case

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Rees Hogg says if environmental standards are good enough for India, they are good enough for the UK

A the wisdom of a man who votes with his Catholic soul in mind

I vote with my Catholic soul in mind too but often don't agree with Mogg. But hey, why not drag a bit of irrelevant anti Papist bigotry into the debate. I'm sure it will help.

Would you propose, edit and vote against certain bills because your theology says so though?

Parliment is meant to be secular but the man brazenly votes with obvious intent of being a catholic rather than in the interests of the individual."

I wouldn't and don't kid myself that my religion and the beliefs that were instilled in me from childhood don't effect the way I see the world and what I believe to be right or wrong. However, whilst they do effect me, they do not define me and I believe that the same is true for most people.

In answer to your question; whilst I wouldn't edit and vote against certain bills just because a theology says so, I would if I believed that it was the right think to do and in the best interests of my constituents and the country, which is what an MP is legally meant to do.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Rees Hogg says if environmental standards are good enough for India, they are good enough for the UK

A the wisdom of a man who votes with his Catholic soul in mind

I vote with my Catholic soul in mind too but often don't agree with Mogg. But hey, why not drag a bit of irrelevant anti Papist bigotry into the debate. I'm sure it will help.

Would you propose, edit and vote against certain bills because your theology says so though?

Parliment is meant to be secular but the man brazenly votes with obvious intent of being a catholic rather than in the interests of the individual.

I wouldn't and don't kid myself that my religion and the beliefs that were instilled in me from childhood don't effect the way I see the world and what I believe to be right or wrong. However, whilst they do effect me, they do not define me and I believe that the same is true for most people.

In answer to your question; whilst I wouldn't edit and vote against certain bills just because a theology says so, I would if I believed that it was the right think to do and in the best interests of my constituents and the country, which is what an MP is legally meant to do."

So somewhat perversely, why did Farron get brutalised for his religious views when his voting record indicated that he never denied homosexuals any rights whatsoever?

Rees-Mogg is still there...

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Rees Hogg says if environmental standards are good enough for India, they are good enough for the UK

A the wisdom of a man who votes with his Catholic soul in mind

I vote with my Catholic soul in mind too but often don't agree with Mogg. But hey, why not drag a bit of irrelevant anti Papist bigotry into the debate. I'm sure it will help.

Would you propose, edit and vote against certain bills because your theology says so though?

Parliment is meant to be secular but the man brazenly votes with obvious intent of being a catholic rather than in the interests of the individual.

I wouldn't and don't kid myself that my religion and the beliefs that were instilled in me from childhood don't effect the way I see the world and what I believe to be right or wrong. However, whilst they do effect me, they do not define me and I believe that the same is true for most people.

In answer to your question; whilst I wouldn't edit and vote against certain bills just because a theology says so, I would if I believed that it was the right think to do and in the best interests of my constituents and the country, which is what an MP is legally meant to do.

So somewhat perversely, why did Farron get brutalised for his religious views when his voting record indicated that he never denied homosexuals any rights whatsoever?

Rees-Mogg is still there..."

Because, quite often, people who think they are liberal and tolerant aren't really whereas conservatives are actually conservative and less worried about why someone is also conservative. [note: no capital letters]

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Rees Hogg says if environmental standards are good enough for India, they are good enough for the UK

A the wisdom of a man who votes with his Catholic soul in mind

I vote with my Catholic soul in mind too but often don't agree with Mogg. But hey, why not drag a bit of irrelevant anti Papist bigotry into the debate. I'm sure it will help.

Would you propose, edit and vote against certain bills because your theology says so though?

Parliment is meant to be secular but the man brazenly votes with obvious intent of being a catholic rather than in the interests of the individual.

I wouldn't and don't kid myself that my religion and the beliefs that were instilled in me from childhood don't effect the way I see the world and what I believe to be right or wrong. However, whilst they do effect me, they do not define me and I believe that the same is true for most people.

In answer to your question; whilst I wouldn't edit and vote against certain bills just because a theology says so, I would if I believed that it was the right think to do and in the best interests of my constituents and the country, which is what an MP is legally meant to do.

So somewhat perversely, why did Farron get brutalised for his religious views when his voting record indicated that he never denied homosexuals any rights whatsoever?

Rees-Mogg is still there...

Because, quite often, people who think they are liberal and tolerant aren't really whereas conservatives are actually conservative and less worried about why someone is also conservative. [note: no capital letters]"

So sadly, to my mind at least, very few people are actually very liberal at all. By definition it's very difficult to be tribal if you think that tribalism is a bad thing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Back to discussing the logistics of antibiotic animal flesh anyone?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Back to discussing the logistics of antibiotic animal flesh anyone?"

Fair point.

Don't do it.

The Americans pump their livestock full of antibiotics too.

We are not taking any control back because we cannot feed ourselves and any big trade deals are going to involve agriculture and food...

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm thinking that the UK potentially needs its own transitional period, where we protect ourselves from any dangerous elements outside of the EU.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Not much input from those who are raving about the world being an exciting place for us to trade with, once we jettison the EU controls and standards. Could we feed them up a bit? . It might get them talking.

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over a year ago

A question I've wondered for awhile.

How much of UK GDP is the UK market?

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"A question I've wondered for awhile.

How much of UK GDP is the UK market?"

I'm sure the data is out there. Whatever it is, what's your comfort level with the UK completing deals and our food supplies altering?

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over a year ago


"A question I've wondered for awhile.

How much of UK GDP is the UK market?

I'm sure the data is out there. Whatever it is, what's your comfort level with the UK completing deals and our food supplies altering?"
.

I buy local produce as much as possible, I'd estimate about 85% of food I purchase is grown or reared within 30 miles of where I live, I try not to purchase anything outside of its UK natural cycle however I do love raspberries and nuts and I have a thing for oysters that I just can't give up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A question I've wondered for awhile.

How much of UK GDP is the UK market?

I'm sure the data is out there. Whatever it is, what's your comfort level with the UK completing deals and our food supplies altering?.

I buy local produce as much as possible, I'd estimate about 85% of food I purchase is grown or reared within 30 miles of where I live, I try not to purchase anything outside of its UK natural cycle however I do love raspberries and nuts and I have a thing for oysters that I just can't give up "

and people used to slag me off for stalking deer

Venison is a fine healthy food source

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"

Venison is a fine healthy food source"

Not everyone's pockets can stretch to it though, it is dead deer

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Indian farmers have been using enormous quantities of antibiotics of last resort upon their animals. This can help the animals cope better with living conditions, potentially fattening them up for sale. There are now just one or two antibiotics that can be used to help save lives, if someone has infections that are caused by antibiotics-resistant bacteria.

The government is excited about the opportunities to increase trade with countries post Brexit, when we will become free from the bureaucratic nightmares of standards and unelected officials imposing restrictions on what and how we trade, including limiting food supplies.

Are you similarly enthusiastic about increasing your dietary choices, getting a buzz after eating some nuggets, knowing they were enjoying life in the Indian sunshine just days earlier? We are what we eat, as they say - we'll soon be free of the shackles of that terrible European lot. Maybe those super antibiotics will help make you stronger "
I would be reluctant to eat food from India as not sure about how well regulations are enforced there,I will not even eat a French egg.I allways try to buy British if possible although obviously we cannot grow certain produce here,and I do drink wine from Europe,Chili,South Africa etc

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm not sure that labeling will make it particularly clear where your food has come from - the majority of UK food is now highly processed, with food potentially sold on via long chains. China also has high usage levels of the last resort antibiotics used for many different types of meat production. I should say last resort antibiotics for human survival, not for animal meat production.

Whilst some people may eat locally sourced food - I try to - the majority of uk food is now very highly processed, which typically has multiple ingredients.

How quickly will these new trade deals be being created, plus what risk levels are we placing the UK health levels at, potentially amongst other unforeseen consequences?

Could the UK be unable to provide routine operations within 5 years or so, due to infection risks that are untreatable and cause patient death? Or would it likely be sooner? Do you remain grateful for the EU controls and standards that currently we support?

Should we increase taxes to pay for new antibiotics research, in the hope we could discover, trial and produce new antibiotics, as a measure to allow us to import more food from more countries, if we leave the EU? How much would you or the country pay? £350 million per week or more?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A question I've wondered for awhile.

How much of UK GDP is the UK market?

I'm sure the data is out there. Whatever it is, what's your comfort level with the UK completing deals and our food supplies altering?.

I buy local produce as much as possible, I'd estimate about 85% of food I purchase is grown or reared within 30 miles of where I live, I try not to purchase anything outside of its UK natural cycle however I do love raspberries and nuts and I have a thing for oysters that I just can't give up

and people used to slag me off for stalking deer

Venison is a fine healthy food source"

Notmany people have a gun or deer near them. Or the spare time to get one you posh toff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Indian farmers have been using enormous quantities of antibiotics of last resort upon their animals. This can help the animals cope better with living conditions, potentially fattening them up for sale. There are now just one or two antibiotics that can be used to help save lives, if someone has infections that are caused by antibiotics-resistant bacteria.

The government is excited about the opportunities to increase trade with countries post Brexit, when we will become free from the bureaucratic nightmares of standards and unelected officials imposing restrictions on what and how we trade, including limiting food supplies.

Are you similarly enthusiastic about increasing your dietary choices, getting a buzz after eating some nuggets, knowing they were enjoying life in the Indian sunshine just days earlier? We are what we eat, as they say - we'll soon be free of the shackles of that terrible European lot. Maybe those super antibiotics will help make you stronger I would be reluctant to eat food from India as not sure about how well regulations are enforced there,I will not even eat a French egg.I allways try to buy British if possible although obviously we cannot grow certain produce here,and I do drink wine from Europe,Chili,South Africa etc"

So you have 2 oranges in front of you, one from a latin american country we dont yet have a deal with via the EU, or would you eat an orange from Spain grown under guarenteed EU regulations on water and soil quality as well as pesticide application.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not sure that labeling will make it particularly clear where your food has come from - the majority of UK food is now highly processed, with food potentially sold on via long chains. China also has high usage levels of the last resort antibiotics used for many different types of meat production. I should say last resort antibiotics for human survival, not for animal meat production.

Whilst some people may eat locally sourced food - I try to - the majority of uk food is now very highly processed, which typically has multiple ingredients.

How quickly will these new trade deals be being created, plus what risk levels are we placing the UK health levels at, potentially amongst other unforeseen consequences?

Could the UK be unable to provide routine operations within 5 years or so, due to infection risks that are untreatable and cause patient death? Or would it likely be sooner? Do you remain grateful for the EU controls and standards that currently we support?

Should we increase taxes to pay for new antibiotics research, in the hope we could discover, trial and produce new antibiotics, as a measure to allow us to import more food from more countries, if we leave the EU? How much would you or the country pay? £350 million per week or more?"

Yes to antibiotic research.

As for processed food, we ourselves need greater regulation.

I'd say most processed food is unhealthy anyway. Processed chicken slices, ham slices...is it worth allowing their production?

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I'm not sure that labeling will make it particularly clear where your food has come from - the majority of UK food is now highly processed, with food potentially sold on via long chains. China also has high usage levels of the last resort antibiotics used for many different types of meat production. I should say last resort antibiotics for human survival, not for animal meat production.

Whilst some people may eat locally sourced food - I try to - the majority of uk food is now very highly processed, which typically has multiple ingredients.

How quickly will these new trade deals be being created, plus what risk levels are we placing the UK health levels at, potentially amongst other unforeseen consequences?

Could the UK be unable to provide routine operations within 5 years or so, due to infection risks that are untreatable and cause patient death? Or would it likely be sooner? Do you remain grateful for the EU controls and standards that currently we support?

Should we increase taxes to pay for new antibiotics research, in the hope we could discover, trial and produce new antibiotics, as a measure to allow us to import more food from more countries, if we leave the EU? How much would you or the country pay? £350 million per week or more?

Yes to antibiotic research.

As for processed food, we ourselves need greater regulation.

I'd say most processed food is unhealthy anyway. Processed chicken slices, ham slices...is it worth allowing their production?"

This government has traditionally left it to businesses to manage and 'police' their own patch - they've let them call the shots, rather than regulations/laws. So our light touch culture has been a wet dream for food businesses processing so-called food to the maximum possible extent.

We're now eating some of the most highly processed food of any country. Would I trust that food supply, labeling, processing and safety will be clear after Brexit as Conservatives push to fix deals around the world? No chance.

And as a more isolated country, anything like a major influx of antibiotics resistant infections could leave us stranded like Chernobyl. Who would want our food, to visit etc?

The main risk is that our hospitals would never be safe places for anyone ever again.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Indian farmers have been using enormous quantities of antibiotics of last resort upon their animals. This can help the animals cope better with living conditions, potentially fattening them up for sale. There are now just one or two antibiotics that can be used to help save lives, if someone has infections that are caused by antibiotics-resistant bacteria.

The government is excited about the opportunities to increase trade with countries post Brexit, when we will become free from the bureaucratic nightmares of standards and unelected officials imposing restrictions on what and how we trade, including limiting food supplies.

Are you similarly enthusiastic about increasing your dietary choices, getting a buzz after eating some nuggets, knowing they were enjoying life in the Indian sunshine just days earlier? We are what we eat, as they say - we'll soon be free of the shackles of that terrible European lot. Maybe those super antibiotics will help make you stronger I would be reluctant to eat food from India as not sure about how well regulations are enforced there,I will not even eat a French egg.I allways try to buy British if possible although obviously we cannot grow certain produce here,and I do drink wine from Europe,Chili,South Africa etc

So you have 2 oranges in front of you, one from a latin american country we dont yet have a deal with via the EU, or would you eat an orange from Spain grown under guarenteed EU regulations on water and soil quality as well as pesticide application."

If the question was would I chose between an egg from the EU, or an egg from Latin America then I'd most likely pick the egg from Latin America given the recent egg pesticides scandal in the EU.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I'm not sure that labeling will make it particularly clear where your food has come from - the majority of UK food is now highly processed, with food potentially sold on via long chains. China also has high usage levels of the last resort antibiotics used for many different types of meat production. I should say last resort antibiotics for human survival, not for animal meat production.

Whilst some people may eat locally sourced food - I try to - the majority of uk food is now very highly processed, which typically has multiple ingredients.

How quickly will these new trade deals be being created, plus what risk levels are we placing the UK health levels at, potentially amongst other unforeseen consequences?

Could the UK be unable to provide routine operations within 5 years or so, due to infection risks that are untreatable and cause patient death? Or would it likely be sooner? Do you remain grateful for the EU controls and standards that currently we support?

Should we increase taxes to pay for new antibiotics research, in the hope we could discover, trial and produce new antibiotics, as a measure to allow us to import more food from more countries, if we leave the EU? How much would you or the country pay? £350 million per week or more?

Yes to antibiotic research.

As for processed food, we ourselves need greater regulation.

I'd say most processed food is unhealthy anyway. Processed chicken slices, ham slices...is it worth allowing their production?

This government has traditionally left it to businesses to manage and 'police' their own patch - they've let them call the shots, rather than regulations/laws. So our light touch culture has been a wet dream for food businesses processing so-called food to the maximum possible extent.

We're now eating some of the most highly processed food of any country. Would I trust that food supply, labeling, processing and safety will be clear after Brexit as Conservatives push to fix deals around the world? No chance.

And as a more isolated country, anything like a major influx of antibiotics resistant infections could leave us stranded like Chernobyl. Who would want our food, to visit etc?

The main risk is that our hospitals would never be safe places for anyone ever again."

Such a short memory, have you already forgotten that horsemeat was being packaged and labelled as beef in the EU not that long ago

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By *eek2findMan
over a year ago

Wigan


"Perhaps we can actually turn to our own farmers and use British produced goods!"

Good shout. It'll take a long time to see more independents crop up. Brexit won't stop the hold most corporations already have over co operatives.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I'm not sure that labeling will make it particularly clear where your food has come from - the majority of UK food is now highly processed, with food potentially sold on via long chains. China also has high usage levels of the last resort antibiotics used for many different types of meat production. I should say last resort antibiotics for human survival, not for animal meat production.

Whilst some people may eat locally sourced food - I try to - the majority of uk food is now very highly processed, which typically has multiple ingredients.

How quickly will these new trade deals be being created, plus what risk levels are we placing the UK health levels at, potentially amongst other unforeseen consequences?

Could the UK be unable to provide routine operations within 5 years or so, due to infection risks that are untreatable and cause patient death? Or would it likely be sooner? Do you remain grateful for the EU controls and standards that currently we support?

Should we increase taxes to pay for new antibiotics research, in the hope we could discover, trial and produce new antibiotics, as a measure to allow us to import more food from more countries, if we leave the EU? How much would you or the country pay? £350 million per week or more?

Yes to antibiotic research.

As for processed food, we ourselves need greater regulation.

I'd say most processed food is unhealthy anyway. Processed chicken slices, ham slices...is it worth allowing their production?

This government has traditionally left it to businesses to manage and 'police' their own patch - they've let them call the shots, rather than regulations/laws. So our light touch culture has been a wet dream for food businesses processing so-called food to the maximum possible extent.

We're now eating some of the most highly processed food of any country. Would I trust that food supply, labeling, processing and safety will be clear after Brexit as Conservatives push to fix deals around the world? No chance.

And as a more isolated country, anything like a major influx of antibiotics resistant infections could leave us stranded like Chernobyl. Who would want our food, to visit etc?

The main risk is that our hospitals would never be safe places for anyone ever again.

Such a short memory, have you already forgotten that horsemeat was being packaged and labelled as beef in the EU not that long ago "

Exactly the point that is being highlighted - the food industry in the UK has been entrusted with high levels of autonomy and self-guidance. Whatever the EU rules, the local states still implement them with their own laws and enforcement processes. If you don't trust UK laws and enforcement, you may be able to go to south America somewhere. It's still easy to be myopic -you've had tainted meat but it may be thought that you're choosing without fuller evaluation of what you're getting into.

In any event it could be that the newly imported food is what becomes your killer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we've traditionally had proud history of food chain scandals of our own making .... the horse thing was a storm in a tea cup when compared to our own food industry grinding up dead livestock in order to feed it to other livestock.

those who mention the horse thing have very very short memories and a brextremist agenda to work to .... BSE, listeria, edwinas eggs, anthrax, foot and mouth, scrapie etc etc etc

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"we've traditionally had proud history of food chain scandals of our own making .... the horse thing was a storm in a tea cup when compared to our own food industry grinding up dead livestock in order to feed it to other livestock.

those who mention the horse thing have very very short memories and a brextremist agenda to work to .... BSE, listeria, edwinas eggs, anthrax, foot and mouth, scrapie etc etc etc"

That sounds like it fits. I'm not sure that the horse issue wasn't just a small number of suppliers acting illegally for commercial gain, as terrible as that is with veterinary medicine etc entering the food chain.

It strikes me that the UK has perhaps had the lightest touch control and regulatory processes of the food industry and that doesn't bode well for opening the doors to vastly different markets.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"we've traditionally had proud history of food chain scandals of our own making .... the horse thing was a storm in a tea cup when compared to our own food industry grinding up dead livestock in order to feed it to other livestock.

those who mention the horse thing have very very short memories and a brextremist agenda to work to .... BSE, listeria, edwinas eggs, anthrax, foot and mouth, scrapie etc etc etc"

The horsemeat/beef scandal in the EU is more recent than any of those things you listed. The egg pesticides scandal in the EU is even more recent than the horsemeat scandal in the EU.

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over a year ago


"we've traditionally had proud history of food chain scandals of our own making .... the horse thing was a storm in a tea cup when compared to our own food industry grinding up dead livestock in order to feed it to other livestock.

those who mention the horse thing have very very short memories and a brextremist agenda to work to .... BSE, listeria, edwinas eggs, anthrax, foot and mouth, scrapie etc etc etc

The horsemeat/beef scandal in the EU is more recent than any of those things you listed. The egg pesticides scandal in the EU is even more recent than the horsemeat scandal in the EU. "

storm in a teacup compared to the fuck ups of our own making .... proven

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Indian farmers have been using enormous quantities of antibiotics of last resort upon their animals. This can help the animals cope better with living conditions, potentially fattening them up for sale. There are now just one or two antibiotics that can be used to help save lives, if someone has infections that are caused by antibiotics-resistant bacteria.

The government is excited about the opportunities to increase trade with countries post Brexit, when we will become free from the bureaucratic nightmares of standards and unelected officials imposing restrictions on what and how we trade, including limiting food supplies.

Are you similarly enthusiastic about increasing your dietary choices, getting a buzz after eating some nuggets, knowing they were enjoying life in the Indian sunshine just days earlier? We are what we eat, as they say - we'll soon be free of the shackles of that terrible European lot. Maybe those super antibiotics will help make you stronger I would be reluctant to eat food from India as not sure about how well regulations are enforced there,I will not even eat a French egg.I allways try to buy British if possible although obviously we cannot grow certain produce here,and I do drink wine from Europe,Chili,South Africa etc

So you have 2 oranges in front of you, one from a latin american country we dont yet have a deal with via the EU, or would you eat an orange from Spain grown under guarenteed EU regulations on water and soil quality as well as pesticide application.

If the question was would I chose between an egg from the EU, or an egg from Latin America then I'd most likely pick the egg from Latin America given the recent egg pesticides scandal in the EU. "

I very much doubt we'll ever be getting eggs from Latin America in any real volume. One of the biggest problems with the BREXIT dream of replacing European trade with trade from America, Asia, Antipodes and Africa is distance. It's always going to be cheaper and easier to get an egg from Ireland, France, Holland or Denmark than it is to get one from Vermont, New Zealand, South Africa or Thailand. All else being equal, trade between geographic locations is always inversely proportional to the distance between them.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Omg don't dare mention buying British on here you will be labelled a racist lol

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country."

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country."

Some do, like many choices or limits its very much down to cost and what the family or individuals can afford..

Like any other area of spending there will always be a market for cheaper goods and with the main costs being labour its globalisation, commerce etc that will continue to mean that cheaper goods will still be available from other countries..

Until of course the issue of tariffs comes into that cost too..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry."

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Omg don't dare mention buying British on here you will be labelled a racist lol "

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Omg don't dare mention buying British on here you will be labelled a racist lol "

Yeah what an imbosile he must be

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry."

Where has he actually said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what he has said?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Omg don't dare mention buying British on here you will be labelled a racist lol

Yeah what an imbosile he must be "

Oh the irony of not being able to spell imbecile correctly, when calling someone an imbecile!

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health. "

We could get everything cheaper if we unilaterally dropped all tariffs as your one Brexit economist, Minford, suggests.

What jobs will most of the economy do then? Sell cheap things that we've imported? What will we do to make the money in your world?

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country."

Problems with supply and demand - many of us buy as locally sourced as possible but it's not particularly sustainable for most current UK food needs.

Now that the majority of UK food is very highly processed, ot leaves us open to sources and types of food that's indistinct, compared to Shropshire milk etc.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health. "

The issue is real and finite - antibiotics resistance exists and we have a drug used in the UK as a final life saving option if your infection is resistant. That drug is being used at high volume for meat production on multiple animal types in India, China and elsewhere.

We have no definite antibiotics drugs for the future that could be used to save your life, should you gain a resistant infection. Which years would you prefer to have infections in - whilst trading to the current regime or if stupid enough to trade outside of this? How quickly do you think resistance would spread across species of bacteria if it entered the UK? Or just glibly posting?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Where has he actually said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what he has said?"

WTO rules are max 9% tariff on agricultural products unless you have a negotiated deal.

Alternatively we apply a flat tariff at any level below that.

Stirling is 18% weaker after the referendum, so all food is already more expensive than it had any potential to be even if we set zero percent for everyone.

Doesn't sound great.

We don't get anything at the cheapest possible price if we set standards higher than the exporting country. There is a cost to that. All countries outside the EU are further away which adds additional cost.

The EU is GM free and use of various pesticides and drugs is controlled. Costs of a relatively tight greenhouse gas regime is also included.

We can choose to ignore all these things.

What happens to our agricultural industry? It's cheaper in exchange rate terms but more expensive than the rest of the world in every other way except for the EU (where we mainly sell to).

Now translate this to every other industry in the UK (to which you add the import cost).

We could "buy British" now but appear to choose not to. Why is that? Is everyone just not patriotic enough? Deliberately racist against ourselves?

Alternatively don't bother thinking anything through. Don't even come up with a counter argument. Just ask for more proof, which will be unreliable because it requires data from "experts" and "theories" and maths and logic. Just tell me "not to be so negative" and to "get behind it" and "stop moaning" and "make it a success". That's at least as good as a viable plan

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

The issue is real and finite - antibiotics resistance exists and we have a drug used in the UK as a final life saving option if your infection is resistant. That drug is being used at high volume for meat production on multiple animal types in India, China and elsewhere.

We have no definite antibiotics drugs for the future that could be used to save your life, should you gain a resistant infection. Which years would you prefer to have infections in - whilst trading to the current regime or if stupid enough to trade outside of this? How quickly do you think resistance would spread across species of bacteria if it entered the UK? Or just glibly posting?"

I think that the antibiotics argument is a bit of a canard.

The fact is that global resistance is defined by the least well policed countries anyway. With international travel and trade, resistant strains travel pretty fast.

It's a very, very serious problem but I do not think that we are significantly more at risk outside the EU

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Where has he actually said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what he has said?"

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5389372/brexit-will-mean-cheaper-clothes-and-food-if-the-pm-gets-tough-with-eu-says-jacob-rees-mogg/

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

The issue is real and finite - antibiotics resistance exists and we have a drug used in the UK as a final life saving option if your infection is resistant. That drug is being used at high volume for meat production on multiple animal types in India, China and elsewhere.

We have no definite antibiotics drugs for the future that could be used to save your life, should you gain a resistant infection. Which years would you prefer to have infections in - whilst trading to the current regime or if stupid enough to trade outside of this? How quickly do you think resistance would spread across species of bacteria if it entered the UK? Or just glibly posting?

I think that the antibiotics argument is a bit of a canard.

The fact is that global resistance is defined by the least well policed countries anyway. With international travel and trade, resistant strains travel pretty fast.

It's a very, very serious problem but I do not think that we are significantly more at risk outside the EU "

There are many vectors of transmission but human facilitated en masse transportation of huge volumes of food that would likely contain expanding reservoirs of resistant bacteria, would be something of an entirely different magnitude, compared to public travel or random natural movement around the globe.

Without running some maths, it would seem that there would be phenomenal levels of risk, with good confidence levels.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health. "

The subject was about meet and eggs but you're absolutely right, he also wants us to be able to import cheep substandard clothing that don't meet European standards for the use of anti irritant and flame retardant materials. It's not just the safe British fresh food market he's setting out to destroy by cheep substandard imports it's the fashion and clothes industry to.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

So much project fear on here today!

How many people have been to a non EU country and actually ate something when there?

Did you ask to see all the rules and regulations of the food process before you ate? I doubt very much you did!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Where has he actually said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what he has said?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5389372/brexit-will-mean-cheaper-clothes-and-food-if-the-pm-gets-tough-with-eu-says-jacob-rees-mogg/

"

And where has he said that food will be cheaper from outside of the EU because it will be sub-standard?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"So much project fear on here today!

How many people have been to a non EU country and actually ate something when there?

Did you ask to see all the rules and regulations of the food process before you ate? I doubt very much you did!"

Forget the Brexit angle.

When you go on holiday you will most probably eat and hotels and restaurants of a European standard of food handling and storage for which you will pay a substantial premium.

At the most basic level, if you eat like a local at a street stall you will be spending more time in the loo. Over time most people will adapt to new pathogens. Some don't. Usually the old and the young.

Would you feed your toddler food from a street vendor in Vietnam?

If you are there for a few days then fine. Your exposure is minimal. However, polluted water courses or inappropriate use of pesticides and chemicals build up toxin levels over time.

If you don't want this then you will, once again, pay a premium.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Where has he actually said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what he has said?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5389372/brexit-will-mean-cheaper-clothes-and-food-if-the-pm-gets-tough-with-eu-says-jacob-rees-mogg/

And where has he said that food will be cheaper from outside of the EU because it will be sub-standard?"

Why will it be cheaper from outside the EU?

Why not run through the reasons for us?

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Omg don't dare mention buying British on here you will be labelled a racist lol

Yeah what an imbosile he must be

Oh the irony of not being able to spell imbecile correctly, when calling someone an imbecile!

"

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Have I spelt that correct

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Where has he actually said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what he has said?

WTO rules are max 9% tariff on agricultural products unless you have a negotiated deal.

Alternatively we apply a flat tariff at any level below that.

Stirling is 18% weaker after the referendum, so all food is already more expensive than it had any potential to be even if we set zero percent for everyone.

Doesn't sound great.

We don't get anything at the cheapest possible price if we set standards higher than the exporting country. There is a cost to that. All countries outside the EU are further away which adds additional cost.

The EU is GM free and use of various pesticides and drugs is controlled. Costs of a relatively tight greenhouse gas regime is also included.

We can choose to ignore all these things.

What happens to our agricultural industry? It's cheaper in exchange rate terms but more expensive than the rest of the world in every other way except for the EU (where we mainly sell to).

Now translate this to every other industry in the UK (to which you add the import cost).

We could "buy British" now but appear to choose not to. Why is that? Is everyone just not patriotic enough? Deliberately racist against ourselves?

Alternatively don't bother thinking anything through. Don't even come up with a counter argument. Just ask for more proof, which will be unreliable because it requires data from "experts" and "theories" and maths and logic. Just tell me "not to be so negative" and to "get behind it" and "stop moaning" and "make it a success". That's at least as good as a viable plan "

July 2015 £1= 1.43€

April 2016 £1= 1.26€

Today. £1= 1.12€

Drop in the year before Brexit 11.8%

Drop since Brexit 11%

July 2015 £1= $1.56

April 2016 £1= $1.43

Today. £1= $1.39

Drop in the year before Brexit 8.3%%

Drop since Brexit 2.8%

Also consider this...the IMF, on February 24th 2016, said the pound was 15% overvalued.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

We could get everything cheaper if we unilaterally dropped all tariffs as your one Brexit economist, Minford, suggests.

What jobs will most of the economy do then? Sell cheap things that we've imported? What will we do to make the money in your world?"

One Brexit economist? I suggest you have a look at the Economists for free trade group, there are many economists who support Brexit besides Minford. Besides economists there are also former chancellor of the exchequer's who support Brexit like Nigel Lawson and Norman Lamont.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

The issue is real and finite - antibiotics resistance exists and we have a drug used in the UK as a final life saving option if your infection is resistant. That drug is being used at high volume for meat production on multiple animal types in India, China and elsewhere.

We have no definite antibiotics drugs for the future that could be used to save your life, should you gain a resistant infection. Which years would you prefer to have infections in - whilst trading to the current regime or if stupid enough to trade outside of this? How quickly do you think resistance would spread across species of bacteria if it entered the UK? Or just glibly posting?"

Medicine and ways of fighting disease and infection are moving on beyond antibiotics. Targeted gene therapy, genetically modified viruses that target and fight other infections without harming healthy tissues, etc, the world is moving on and technology in medicine is moving on beyond antibiotics. In 20, 30, or 50 years from now we may not even be using antibiotics as a treatment anymore.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"

The EU is GM free and use of various pesticides and drugs is controlled."

But not always adhered to as the recent horsemeat and egg pesticides scandals in the EU exposed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

according to one of trumps close advisers today, the way to fight illness, specifically flu, is to refuse vaccination and instead, "inoculate yourself with the word of god" .... f**king loon

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"... Besides economists there are also former chancellor of the exchequer's who support Brexit like Nigel Lawson and Norman Lamont. "

There are other Muppets you could have used, including Kermit or Ms Piggy, to have added more credibility

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nigel lawson is an anagram of we all sign on

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"

The EU is GM free and use of various pesticides and drugs is controlled.

But not always adhered to as the recent horsemeat and egg pesticides scandals in the EU exposed. "

The EU is not GM free.

"[H]ypocrisy rules: Europe imports over 30 million tons per year of corn and soy-based animal feeds, the vast majority of which are genetically modified, for its livestock industry.

Mark Lynas, political director for the Cornell Alliance for Science

. The EU has also decided to allow GM feed to include trace levels of crops which have no safety approval in Europe (i.e. are unauthorised GM crops). - genewatch

MON810 genetically modified maize escrows in Spain for animal feed.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"

Besides economists there are also former chancellor of the exchequer's who support Brexit like Nigel Lawson and Norman Lamont. "

Well I suppose the pair of them certainly know plenty about recessions

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"Medicine and ways of fighting disease and infection are moving on beyond antibiotics. Targeted gene therapy, genetically modified viruses that target and fight other infections without harming healthy tissues, etc, the world is moving on and technology in medicine is moving on beyond antibiotics. In 20, 30, or 50 years from now we may not even be using antibiotics as a treatment anymore."

Do you actually read any of the nonsense you cut and paste?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"

Besides economists there are also former chancellor of the exchequer's who support Brexit like Nigel Lawson and Norman Lamont.

Well I suppose the pair of them certainly know plenty about recessions "

At least they left money in the pot when they left office, unlike the boom and bust Labour chancellor's Brown and Darling.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Medicine and ways of fighting disease and infection are moving on beyond antibiotics. Targeted gene therapy, genetically modified viruses that target and fight other infections without harming healthy tissues, etc, the world is moving on and technology in medicine is moving on beyond antibiotics. In 20, 30, or 50 years from now we may not even be using antibiotics as a treatment anymore.

Do you actually read any of the nonsense you cut and paste?"

I been proved right more often than not, remember who won the Briar score game?.....Yes I won. I don't recall you being anywhere near the top.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I been proved right more often than not, remember who won the Briar score game?.....Yes I won. I don't recall you being anywhere near the top. "

i went back and checked this just befor christmas ... i crunched the percentages everyone made according to the formula and it turns out several people are ahead of you with their predictions so your trumpet blowing about what a sooth sayer you are is utterly unfounded

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

We could get everything cheaper if we unilaterally dropped all tariffs as your one Brexit economist, Minford, suggests.

What jobs will most of the economy do then? Sell cheap things that we've imported? What will we do to make the money in your world?

One Brexit economist? I suggest you have a look at the Economists for free trade group, there are many economists who support Brexit besides Minford. Besides economists there are also former chancellor of the exchequer's who support Brexit like Nigel Lawson and Norman Lamont. "

These ones? Perhaps you could tell me what "unilaterally dropped all tariff barriers" means? What might the consequences of that be other than cheaper things to buy?

Work by the “Economists for Brexit” group, led by Professor Patrick Minford of Cardiff Business School, before last year’s referendum suggested that if the UK left the EU without a trade deal and unilaterally dropped all tariff barriers on imports the country’s GDP could be boosted by 4 per cent relative to otherwise.

The small print of the modelling reveals the assumption that "general international pressure" over the next decade will compel the EU to reduce its own effective tariffs on imports from 20 per cent to 10 per cent - and that the authors ignore the impact of differences in EU safety and quality standards for goods on producer prices.

Professor Winters also points out that the modelling of Minford’s group bizarrely assumes the EU will waive its standards on goods imports from the UK post-Brexit, which implies precisely the sort of deep trade deal which the Economists for Brexit have been consistently arguing that the UK does not need to bother pursuing.

“Gaining 4 per cent [of GDP] requires more integration with Europe than the UK has at present!” Professor Winters wrote in a blog post.

“The term ‘unilateral free trade’ is thus doubly misleading: first, it presumes agreements with reciprocal liberalisations with the UK’s trading partners, including the EU, and second, on the EU, it is just plain wrong,” he said.

"Unless the UK and EU sign an FTA [Free Trade Agreement] that explicitly removes all EU non-tariff barriers to exports from the UK, WTO rules prevent the EU from eliminating barriers on the UK alone. If achieved, eliminating all tariffs and non-tariff barriers between the UK and the EU would imply deeper integration than the EU Customs Union and Single Market currently deliver, but coupled with a race to the bottom on standards!"

Professor Winters told The Independent that it was impossible to state the degree to which these assumptions were critical to delivering the 4 per cent GDP increase estimate without having access to the Minford model itself, but he added that they were “likely to be material” given the size of the EU’s existing external tariff and the scale of the UK’s trade with the Continent.

In response, Professor Minford denied his model assumed closer integration.

"We assume explicitly that the EU treats us under an FTA as it does now - so no change. Under our model if they do not and levy tariffs on us, it makes no difference to the world prices we have access to and therefore causes us no national welfare losses," he said.

He also said that his estimate of EU tariff rates included estimates of non-tariff (or regulatory) barriers.

The assumptions of the Economists for Brexit group – now rebranded as Economists for Free Trade - were previously criticised as grossly unrealistic on other grounds, including ignoring the fact that countries tend to do more trade with countries that are geographically closer, by economic modellers from the London School of Economics (LSE).

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"

The EU is GM free and use of various pesticides and drugs is controlled.

But not always adhered to as the recent horsemeat and egg pesticides scandals in the EU exposed.

The EU is not GM free.

"[H]ypocrisy rules: Europe imports over 30 million tons per year of corn and soy-based animal feeds, the vast majority of which are genetically modified, for its livestock industry.

Mark Lynas, political director for the Cornell Alliance for Science

. The EU has also decided to allow GM feed to include trace levels of crops which have no safety approval in Europe (i.e. are unauthorised GM crops). - genewatch

MON810 genetically modified maize escrows in Spain for animal feed.

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You are correct. My mistake. There are GM products in the food chain.

I don't know if you think that's a good thing or not.

Just none for direct human consumption.

Who is being a hypocrite though?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"

The EU is GM free and use of various pesticides and drugs is controlled.

But not always adhered to as the recent horsemeat and egg pesticides scandals in the EU exposed. "

I'm not sure what your point is?

Are you saying we shouldn't have any controls because they are sometimes deliberately broken or poorly enforced?

Would you rather we dropped our standards once we leave?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Where has he actually said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what he has said?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5389372/brexit-will-mean-cheaper-clothes-and-food-if-the-pm-gets-tough-with-eu-says-jacob-rees-mogg/

And where has he said that food will be cheaper from outside of the EU because it will be sub-standard?"

As European food and animal wealthier standards are higher than China, India or the US it goes without saying that if we're going to import cheaper food without restrictions from there then it's going to be substandard. There's a reason why it's cheaper you know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The EU is GM free and use of various pesticides and drugs is controlled.

But not always adhered to as the recent horsemeat and egg pesticides scandals in the EU exposed.

I'm not sure what your point is?

"

nor am I ... especially when considering this country's very own 2 Sisters chicken scandal very recently .... more brextremist short term memory loss perhaps

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

The issue is real and finite - antibiotics resistance exists and we have a drug used in the UK as a final life saving option if your infection is resistant. That drug is being used at high volume for meat production on multiple animal types in India, China and elsewhere.

We have no definite antibiotics drugs for the future that could be used to save your life, should you gain a resistant infection. Which years would you prefer to have infections in - whilst trading to the current regime or if stupid enough to trade outside of this? How quickly do you think resistance would spread across species of bacteria if it entered the UK? Or just glibly posting?

Medicine and ways of fighting disease and infection are moving on beyond antibiotics. Targeted gene therapy, genetically modified viruses that target and fight other infections without harming healthy tissues, etc, the world is moving on and technology in medicine is moving on beyond antibiotics. In 20, 30, or 50 years from now we may not even be using antibiotics as a treatment anymore. "

Wow. We "may" not based on your extensive knowledge of what? Oh wait, you are not an expert in any field so better qualified to have an opinion on everything?

Your beloved government has said this:

"On 7 September, Sir Mark Walport, UK Government Chief Scientific Adviser, launched the £10m Longitude Prize in China at a Science Salon on Antimicrobial Resistance (AMR) at the British Ambassador’s Residence in Beijing.

Speaking alongside Nigel Gibbens, the UK Chief Veterinary Officer, Dr Sun Jing from Peking Union School of Public Health and Professor Zheng Bo from Peking University First Hospital, Sir Mark emphasised the importance of tackling AMR, widely acknowledged to be one of the biggest global health threats of the 21st century."

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I been proved right more often than not, remember who won the Briar score game?.....Yes I won. I don't recall you being anywhere near the top.

i went back and checked this just befor christmas ... i crunched the percentages everyone made according to the formula and it turns out several people are ahead of you with their predictions so your trumpet blowing about what a sooth sayer you are is utterly unfounded "

Well that's funny because the couple who started the Briar score game declared me the winner when it finished.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Where has he actually said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what he has said?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5389372/brexit-will-mean-cheaper-clothes-and-food-if-the-pm-gets-tough-with-eu-says-jacob-rees-mogg/

And where has he said that food will be cheaper from outside of the EU because it will be sub-standard?

As European food and animal wealthier standards are higher than China, India or the US it goes without saying that if we're going to import cheaper food without restrictions from there then it's going to be substandard. There's a reason why it's cheaper you know."

We can import food from outside the EU to our standards. However, it will costing the same if we want it produced to that level and it has to travel here because it's FURTHER AWAY

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would it be big business for the UK meat trade if other countries meat are not safe to eat and we can export the goods to them. But we shall not talk about that as this forum is about slagging off brexit

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

The issue is real and finite - antibiotics resistance exists and we have a drug used in the UK as a final life saving option if your infection is resistant. That drug is being used at high volume for meat production on multiple animal types in India, China and elsewhere.

We have no definite antibiotics drugs for the future that could be used to save your life, should you gain a resistant infection. Which years would you prefer to have infections in - whilst trading to the current regime or if stupid enough to trade outside of this? How quickly do you think resistance would spread across species of bacteria if it entered the UK? Or just glibly posting?

Medicine and ways of fighting disease and infection are moving on beyond antibiotics. Targeted gene therapy, genetically modified viruses that target and fight other infections without harming healthy tissues, etc, the world is moving on and technology in medicine is moving on beyond antibiotics. In 20, 30, or 50 years from now we may not even be using antibiotics as a treatment anymore.

Wow. We "may" not based on your extensive knowledge of what? Oh wait, you are not an expert in any field so better qualified to have an opinion on everything?

Your beloved government has said this:

"On 7 September, Sir Mark Walport, UK Government Chief Scientific Adviser, launched the £10m Longitude Prize in China at a Science Salon on Antimicrobial Resistance (AMR) at the British Ambassador’s Residence in Beijing.

Speaking alongside Nigel Gibbens, the UK Chief Veterinary Officer, Dr Sun Jing from Peking Union School of Public Health and Professor Zheng Bo from Peking University First Hospital, Sir Mark emphasised the importance of tackling AMR, widely acknowledged to be one of the biggest global health threats of the 21st century.""

Yes but if any of those guys are experts then we must simply ignore them. It's far better to just hope things will be better rather than listen to any experts. Remember the British people are fed up of experts.

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over a year ago


"Well that's funny because the couple who started the Briar score game declared me the winner when it finished. "

it is funny because mixedb didn't declare you the winner when it finished at all .... it's even funnier because the game is still running so you can't possibly have won it ... like i already pointed out, your trumpet blowing is utterly unfounded

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Where has he actually said that? Or is that just your interpretation of what he has said?

WTO rules are max 9% tariff on agricultural products unless you have a negotiated deal.

Alternatively we apply a flat tariff at any level below that.

Stirling is 18% weaker after the referendum, so all food is already more expensive than it had any potential to be even if we set zero percent for everyone.

Doesn't sound great.

We don't get anything at the cheapest possible price if we set standards higher than the exporting country. There is a cost to that. All countries outside the EU are further away which adds additional cost.

The EU is GM free and use of various pesticides and drugs is controlled. Costs of a relatively tight greenhouse gas regime is also included.

We can choose to ignore all these things.

What happens to our agricultural industry? It's cheaper in exchange rate terms but more expensive than the rest of the world in every other way except for the EU (where we mainly sell to).

Now translate this to every other industry in the UK (to which you add the import cost).

We could "buy British" now but appear to choose not to. Why is that? Is everyone just not patriotic enough? Deliberately racist against ourselves?

Alternatively don't bother thinking anything through. Don't even come up with a counter argument. Just ask for more proof, which will be unreliable because it requires data from "experts" and "theories" and maths and logic. Just tell me "not to be so negative" and to "get behind it" and "stop moaning" and "make it a success". That's at least as good as a viable plan

July 2015 £1= 1.43€

April 2016 £1= 1.26€

Today. £1= 1.12€

Drop in the year before Brexit 11.8%

Drop since Brexit 11%

July 2015 £1= $1.56

April 2016 £1= $1.43

Today. £1= $1.39

Drop in the year before Brexit 8.3%%

Drop since Brexit 2.8%

Also consider this...the IMF, on February 24th 2016, said the pound was 15% overvalued.

"

The IMF said 5%-20% overvalued. That was assuming staying in the EU. We will require further devaluation if we have to compensate for tariffs. That will keep exporters in the same place. What happens to the rest of us? Imports get more expensive and inflation rises...

Do you want to explain what drove the pound to weaken at those points since 2008? Was it confidence in the strength of the UK economy?

That said, I noticed you chose to concentrate on currency fluctuations alone.

Are the other points harder to refute?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Would it be big business for the UK meat trade if other countries meat are not safe to eat and we can export the goods to them. But we shall not talk about that as this forum is about slagging off brexit "

You seriously think we're going to be able to export all the high quality fresh meat we currently export to the rich, high standard European market by exports to mostly much poorer and definitely much further away markets outside of Europe? What sort of crazy economics is that hope based on?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"

At least they left money in the pot when they left office, unlike the boom and bust Labour chancellor's Brown and Darling."
Well then Lawson and Lamont must be economic geniuses then mustn't they


"Medicine and ways of fighting disease and infection are moving on beyond antibiotics. Targeted gene therapy, genetically modified viruses that target and fight other infections without harming healthy tissues, etc, the world is moving on and technology in medicine is moving on beyond antibiotics. In 20, 30, or 50 years from now we may not even be using antibiotics as a treatment anymore.

Do you actually read any of the nonsense you cut and paste?

I been proved right more often than not, remember who won the Briar score game?.....Yes I won. I don't recall you being anywhere near the top. "

No I don't remember who won because I didn't take part, thus you quite rightly wouldn't recall me being anywhere near the top, but once you've finished digressing do you actually read (and understand) any of the nonsense you cut and paste or do you genuinely think that TGT is or will be a substitute for antibiotics?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would it be big business for the UK meat trade if other countries meat are not safe to eat and we can export the goods to them. But we shall not talk about that as this forum is about slagging off brexit "

the country will just be flooded with cheap, tasteless mutton and contaminated dairy products from new zealand .... like in the 80's and early 90's ... welsh agriculture will thank you for it i'm sure ... while they abandon worthless lambs in villages across the nation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Indian farmers have been using enormous quantities of antibiotics of last resort upon their animals. This can help the animals cope better with living conditions, potentially fattening them up for sale. There are now just one or two antibiotics that can be used to help save lives, if someone has infections that are caused by antibiotics-resistant bacteria.

The government is excited about the opportunities to increase trade with countries post Brexit, when we will become free from the bureaucratic nightmares of standards and unelected officials imposing restrictions on what and how we trade, including limiting food supplies.

Are you similarly enthusiastic about increasing your dietary choices, getting a buzz after eating some nuggets, knowing they were enjoying life in the Indian sunshine just days earlier? We are what we eat, as they say - we'll soon be free of the shackles of that terrible European lot. Maybe those super antibiotics will help make you stronger I would be reluctant to eat food from India as not sure about how well regulations are enforced there,I will not even eat a French egg.I allways try to buy British if possible although obviously we cannot grow certain produce here,and I do drink wine from Europe,Chili,South Africa etc

So you have 2 oranges in front of you, one from a latin american country we dont yet have a deal with via the EU, or would you eat an orange from Spain grown under guarenteed EU regulations on water and soil quality as well as pesticide application.

If the question was would I chose between an egg from the EU, or an egg from Latin America then I'd most likely pick the egg from Latin America given the recent egg pesticides scandal in the EU. "

And you want your latin american eggs delivered uncracked and broken how? Shipping container or plane. Boh wont be as cheap as you wish due to low yield as stock gets damaged in transit.

But please centaur, lets go back to oranges, heck just fruit and veg! Given the irregularities and lack of standardisation in regards to potentially carcigenious pesticides used enmasse in the latin american countries; and the fAr greater limitations put in place in the EU, where will you buy from?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

We could get everything cheaper if we unilaterally dropped all tariffs as your one Brexit economist, Minford, suggests.

What jobs will most of the economy do then? Sell cheap things that we've imported? What will we do to make the money in your world?

One Brexit economist? I suggest you have a look at the Economists for free trade group, there are many economists who support Brexit besides Minford. Besides economists there are also former chancellor of the exchequer's who support Brexit like Nigel Lawson and Norman Lamont. "

Just out of interest; what makes "Economists for Free Trade" more reliable/credible than all other economists?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

The issue is real and finite - antibiotics resistance exists and we have a drug used in the UK as a final life saving option if your infection is resistant. That drug is being used at high volume for meat production on multiple animal types in India, China and elsewhere.

We have no definite antibiotics drugs for the future that could be used to save your life, should you gain a resistant infection. Which years would you prefer to have infections in - whilst trading to the current regime or if stupid enough to trade outside of this? How quickly do you think resistance would spread across species of bacteria if it entered the UK? Or just glibly posting?

Medicine and ways of fighting disease and infection are moving on beyond antibiotics. Targeted gene therapy, genetically modified viruses that target and fight other infections without harming healthy tissues, etc, the world is moving on and technology in medicine is moving on beyond antibiotics. In 20, 30, or 50 years from now we may not even be using antibiotics as a treatment anymore. "

Holy shit, where do you get this bullshit, my inner pathologist and biotechnitian just died a bit.

Seriously where did you get that crap from, cut or paste or an amalgamation of tabliod columns taking a sentence or two from an academic paper out of context.

Okay so gene therapy. That is only just in serious research phases on mice. And for the record you cannot 'switch on' a gene for resistance to a pathogen. An individual organism must be innoculated against it which means exposing it to antibody antigens.

Gene therapy is being looked at mainly for the treatment of human mental health disorders such as OCD and bi-polar, maybe with some potentil use in autism and cancer.

It involves playing god though, and as such it most likely wont get the funding required for a decade or be used for another due to the moral argument.

GM viruses. Ah yes, the things which have been pitched and the global medical council has said that funding will be used to put research for this into anti-cancer nanotech exclusively.

Why not bacteria, or other viruses? Because you would have to allow the virus to self replicate and therefore self-mutate, and guess what, you dont want to create a GM virus you have no control over.

Please actually do you research when putching technological advancements as a solution.

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over a year ago

So are you saying we will only be taking goods off other countries and not expanding UK goods to other countries. Not all other countries are poor and if in the case you say the food is harmful how it's not on the news that people are dying from eating it

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Meanwhile concerns are being raised about antibiotics use in USA meat raising, which can be 16 times the levels used in UK farming. A post Brexit deal would probably focus on imports of US food.

Clusterfuck from the swivel eyed brigade who'll sign up for anything that gets them out of a hole.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Meanwhile concerns are being raised about antibiotics use in USA meat raising, which can be 16 times the levels used in UK farming. A post Brexit deal would probably focus on imports of US food.

Clusterfuck from the swivel eyed brigade who'll sign up for anything that gets them out of a hole."

How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Meanwhile concerns are being raised about antibiotics use in USA meat raising, which can be 16 times the levels used in UK farming. A post Brexit deal would probably focus on imports of US food.

Clusterfuck from the swivel eyed brigade who'll sign up for anything that gets them out of a hole.

How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food. "

I'm not worried about eating American food from the US on a personal level. However I do have concerns about animal welfare issus in the food production process and concerns about the high use of antibiotics. Neither of those make it unsafe to eat.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

The issue is real and finite - antibiotics resistance exists and we have a drug used in the UK as a final life saving option if your infection is resistant. That drug is being used at high volume for meat production on multiple animal types in India, China and elsewhere.

We have no definite antibiotics drugs for the future that could be used to save your life, should you gain a resistant infection. Which years would you prefer to have infections in - whilst trading to the current regime or if stupid enough to trade outside of this? How quickly do you think resistance would spread across species of bacteria if it entered the UK? Or just glibly posting?

Medicine and ways of fighting disease and infection are moving on beyond antibiotics. Targeted gene therapy, genetically modified viruses that target and fight other infections without harming healthy tissues, etc, the world is moving on and technology in medicine is moving on beyond antibiotics. In 20, 30, or 50 years from now we may not even be using antibiotics as a treatment anymore.

Holy shit, where do you get this bullshit, my inner pathologist and biotechnitian just died a bit.

Seriously where did you get that crap from, cut or paste or an amalgamation of tabliod columns taking a sentence or two from an academic paper out of context.

Okay so gene therapy. That is only just in serious research phases on mice. And for the record you cannot 'switch on' a gene for resistance to a pathogen. An individual organism must be innoculated against it which means exposing it to antibody antigens.

Gene therapy is being looked at mainly for the treatment of human mental health disorders such as OCD and bi-polar, maybe with some potentil use in autism and cancer.

It involves playing god though, and as such it most likely wont get the funding required for a decade or be used for another due to the moral argument.

GM viruses. Ah yes, the things which have been pitched and the global medical council has said that funding will be used to put research for this into anti-cancer nanotech exclusively.

Why not bacteria, or other viruses? Because you would have to allow the virus to self replicate and therefore self-mutate, and guess what, you dont want to create a GM virus you have no control over.

Please actually do you research when putching technological advancements as a solution."

It would be incredibly stupid, dumb and arrogant of you, or anyone else for that matter to assume we've already reached the peak of medical advancement and solutions to treatment of illnesses. New breakthroughs are being discovered all the time, medical technology will continue to progress and I'm certainly not arrogant enough to assume what alternative treatments will be common place in 50 years time. The advances in medicine over the last 50 to 100 years should tell you that alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would it be big business for the UK meat trade if other countries meat are not safe to eat and we can export the goods to them. But we shall not talk about that as this forum is about slagging off brexit

the country will just be flooded with cheap, tasteless mutton and contaminated dairy products from new zealand .... like in the 80's and early 90's ... welsh agriculture will thank you for it i'm sure ... while they abandon worthless lambs in villages across the nation "

Mmmmm good ol Cheronobal lamb of 1986

lovely stuff

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over a year ago

how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Mmmmm good ol Cheronobal lamb of 1986

lovely stuff"

ergghh glenrothes venison .... utter shit riddled with tapeworms

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them? "
aw well that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out is it

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them? "

Seriously, is this the best you can post on a forum!!

Please, get a grip mate!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Somebody has been watching Alex Jones again and getting up to date on genetics.I laughed hard when i read his thoughts on the secret genetic experiments creating,human/pig/gorilla chimeras who can talk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them? aw well that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out is it "

you're quite correct ... that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out .... but it is an accurate portrayal of the racists amongst the 17 million ppl who voted out and the question stands .... how do they cope being overseas?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Somebody has been watching Alex Jones again and getting up to date on genetics.I laughed hard when i read his thoughts on the secret genetic experiments creating,human/pig/gorilla chimeras who can talk. "

aka ukip

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them?

Seriously, is this the best you can post on a forum!!

Please, get a grip mate!"

let me make it easy for you to understand the context of that post which you seem to be struggling with by quoting what i was responding to

"How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food. "

and by the way, i'm not your mate

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Meanwhile concerns are being raised about antibiotics use in USA meat raising, which can be 16 times the levels used in UK farming. A post Brexit deal would probably focus on imports of US food.

Clusterfuck from the swivel eyed brigade who'll sign up for anything that gets them out of a hole.

How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food. "

Forget the Brexit angle.

When you go on holiday you will most probably eat and hotels and restaurants of a European standard of food handling and storage for which you will pay a substantial premium.

At the most basic level, if you eat like a local at a street stall you will be spending more time in the loo. Over time most people will adapt to new pathogens. Some don't. Usually the old and the young.

Would you feed your toddler food from a street vendor in Vietnam?

If you are there for a few days then fine. Your exposure is minimal. However, polluted water courses or inappropriate use of pesticides and chemicals build up toxin levels over time.

If you don't want this then you will, once again, pay a premium.

Still wondering why the opinions of your "Economists for Free Trade" prepare reliable than those of any others?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them? aw well that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out is it

you're quite correct ... that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out .... but it is an accurate portrayal of the racists amongst the 17 million ppl who voted out and the question stands .... how do they cope being overseas?"

How do you and the other remainers who live in fear cope eating non EU food when being overseas outside of the EU?

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them?

Seriously, is this the best you can post on a forum!!

Please, get a grip mate!

let me make it easy for you to understand the context of that post which you seem to be struggling with by quoting what i was responding to

"How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food. "

and by the way, i'm not your mate"

Sorry MATE, I didn't mean to offend!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Meanwhile concerns are being raised about antibiotics use in USA meat raising, which can be 16 times the levels used in UK farming. A post Brexit deal would probably focus on imports of US food.

Clusterfuck from the swivel eyed brigade who'll sign up for anything that gets them out of a hole.

How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food.

Forget the Brexit angle.

When you go on holiday you will most probably eat and hotels and restaurants of a European standard of food handling and storage for which you will pay a substantial premium.

At the most basic level, if you eat like a local at a street stall you will be spending more time in the loo. Over time most people will adapt to new pathogens. Some don't. Usually the old and the young.

Would you feed your toddler food from a street vendor in Vietnam?

If you are there for a few days then fine. Your exposure is minimal. However, polluted water courses or inappropriate use of pesticides and chemicals build up toxin levels over time.

If you don't want this then you will, once again, pay a premium.

Still wondering why the opinions of your "Economists for Free Trade" prepare reliable than those of any others?"

Majority of food in USA is first class

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them? aw well that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out is it

you're quite correct ... that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out .... but it is an accurate portrayal of the racists amongst the 17 million ppl who voted out and the question stands .... how do they cope being overseas?

How do you and the other remainers who live in fear cope eating non EU food when being overseas outside of the EU? "

you presume i am a remainer yet again

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Meanwhile concerns are being raised about antibiotics use in USA meat raising, which can be 16 times the levels used in UK farming. A post Brexit deal would probably focus on imports of US food.

Clusterfuck from the swivel eyed brigade who'll sign up for anything that gets them out of a hole.

How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food.

Forget the Brexit angle.

When you go on holiday you will most probably eat and hotels and restaurants of a European standard of food handling and storage for which you will pay a substantial premium.

At the most basic level, if you eat like a local at a street stall you will be spending more time in the loo. Over time most people will adapt to new pathogens. Some don't. Usually the old and the young.

Would you feed your toddler food from a street vendor in Vietnam?

If you are there for a few days then fine. Your exposure is minimal. However, polluted water courses or inappropriate use of pesticides and chemicals build up toxin levels over time.

If you don't want this then you will, once again, pay a premium.

Still wondering why the opinions of your "Economists for Free Trade" prepare reliable than those of any others?"

I tend not to eat at hotels I stay in on holiday, prefer self catering to all inclusive and I like to eat out at a different restaurant each night. Never been ill on holiday in my lifetime. Living in fear as is the impression many remainers seem to give on here is no way to live and enjoy life in my opinion, in fact living in fear must be a pretty depressing state of affairs, although I don't live in fear myself but maybe you can tell us all what it's like and shed some light on it for us?

On your other point 'why are the economists for free trade more reliable than any others?' I'd say they are more reliable than remain economists because so far they've been proved correct in many of the predictions and forecasts they made about Brexit. Remain economists said a vote to leave would cause a recession,....There has been no recession. The economists for free trade said that growth would continue after a leave vote, .......growth has Continued after the leave vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry MATE, I didn't mean to offend!"

i am not your mate ... i am far from ever being 'matey' with people of a certain sort such as yourself

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them? aw well that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out is it

you're quite correct ... that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out .... but it is an accurate portrayal of the racists amongst the 17 million ppl who voted out and the question stands .... how do they cope being overseas?

How do you and the other remainers who live in fear cope eating non EU food when being overseas outside of the EU?

you presume i am a remainer yet again "

Well you're always defending the EU on here and you take any and every opportunity to bash Brexit, I'd say it's pretty obvious which way you voted. Unless you're one of the lazy non voters who couldn't be arsed to go down to the local polling station on June 23rd 2016.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD


"Sorry MATE, I didn't mean to offend!

i am not your mate ... i am far from ever being 'matey' with people of a certain sort such as yourself"

OK mate, whatever you say!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them? aw well that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out is it

you're quite correct ... that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out .... but it is an accurate portrayal of the racists amongst the 17 million ppl who voted out and the question stands .... how do they cope being overseas?

How do you and the other remainers who live in fear cope eating non EU food when being overseas outside of the EU?

you presume i am a remainer yet again

Well you're always defending the EU on here and you take any and every opportunity to bash Brexit, I'd say it's pretty obvious which way you voted. Unless you're one of the lazy non voters who couldn't be arsed to go down to the local polling station on June 23rd 2016.

"

wrong ... i only ever speak out about right wing extremists, racists, idiots, injustice and incompetent government

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry MATE, I didn't mean to offend!

i am not your mate ... i am far from ever being 'matey' with people of a certain sort such as yourself

OK mate, whatever you say!"

i am not your mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

get a room you two

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD


"Sorry MATE, I didn't mean to offend!

i am not your mate ... i am far from ever being 'matey' with people of a certain sort such as yourself

OK mate, whatever you say!

i am not your mate"

No worries mate!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them? aw well that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out is it

you're quite correct ... that's not offensive to 17 million ppl who voted out .... but it is an accurate portrayal of the racists amongst the 17 million ppl who voted out and the question stands .... how do they cope being overseas?

How do you and the other remainers who live in fear cope eating non EU food when being overseas outside of the EU?

you presume i am a remainer yet again

Well you're always defending the EU on here and you take any and every opportunity to bash Brexit, I'd say it's pretty obvious which way you voted. Unless you're one of the lazy non voters who couldn't be arsed to go down to the local polling station on June 23rd 2016.

wrong ... i only ever speak out about right wing extremists, racists, idiots, injustice and incompetent government "

Why have we never heard you speak out about the vile anti semitic racism in the Labour party and the Momentum movement then? Oh of course you're just another far left Corbyn fan boy who will overlook such things, either that or you are a huge hypocrite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i have never bigged up corbyn ... so now that is absolutely clear answer me this ... are you calling me a hypocrite?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


" i have never bigged up corbyn ... so now that is absolutely clear answer me this ... are you calling me a hypocrite? "

Why don't you criticise the anti semitic racism that goes on in Labour and Momentum then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" i have never bigged up corbyn ... so now that is absolutely clear answer me this ... are you calling me a hypocrite?

Why don't you criticise the anti semitic racism that goes on in Labour and Momentum then? "

are you calling me a huge hypocrite?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


" i have never bigged up corbyn ... so now that is absolutely clear answer me this ... are you calling me a hypocrite?

Why don't you criticise the anti semitic racism that goes on in Labour and Momentum then?

are you calling me a huge hypocrite? "

I think people can make their own minds up about you on that score based on the content of your posts here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" i have never bigged up corbyn ... so now that is absolutely clear answer me this ... are you calling me a hypocrite?

Why don't you criticise the anti semitic racism that goes on in Labour and Momentum then?

are you calling me a huge hypocrite?

I think people can make their own minds up about you on that score based on the content of your posts here. "

so all you can do is be abusive? figures

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


" i have never bigged up corbyn ... so now that is absolutely clear answer me this ... are you calling me a hypocrite?

Why don't you criticise the anti semitic racism that goes on in Labour and Momentum then?

are you calling me a huge hypocrite?

I think people can make their own minds up about you on that score based on the content of your posts here.

so all you can do is be abusive? figures"

Where have I been abusive?

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Maybe ignore each other please

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them?

Seriously, is this the best you can post on a forum!!

Please, get a grip mate!

let me make it easy for you to understand the context of that post which you seem to be struggling with by quoting what i was responding to

"How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food. "

and by the way, i'm not your mate"
I eat the same as the remainers eat when abroad I go to macdonalds Burger King KFC lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them?

Seriously, is this the best you can post on a forum!!

Please, get a grip mate!

let me make it easy for you to understand the context of that post which you seem to be struggling with by quoting what i was responding to

"How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food. "

and by the way, i'm not your mate I eat the same as the remainers eat when abroad I go to macdonalds Burger King KFC lol"

Where is abroad for you foxy.Scotland?.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Meanwhile concerns are being raised about antibiotics use in USA meat raising, which can be 16 times the levels used in UK farming. A post Brexit deal would probably focus on imports of US food.

Clusterfuck from the swivel eyed brigade who'll sign up for anything that gets them out of a hole.

How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food.

Forget the Brexit angle.

When you go on holiday you will most probably eat and hotels and restaurants of a European standard of food handling and storage for which you will pay a substantial premium.

At the most basic level, if you eat like a local at a street stall you will be spending more time in the loo. Over time most people will adapt to new pathogens. Some don't. Usually the old and the young.

Would you feed your toddler food from a street vendor in Vietnam?

If you are there for a few days then fine. Your exposure is minimal. However, polluted water courses or inappropriate use of pesticides and chemicals build up toxin levels over time.

If you don't want this then you will, once again, pay a premium.

Still wondering why the opinions of your "Economists for Free Trade" prepare reliable than those of any others?

I tend not to eat at hotels I stay in on holiday, prefer self catering to all inclusive and I like to eat out at a different restaurant each night. Never been ill on holiday in my lifetime. Living in fear as is the impression many remainers seem to give on here is no way to live and enjoy life in my opinion, in fact living in fear must be a pretty depressing state of affairs, although I don't live in fear myself but maybe you can tell us all what it's like and shed some light on it for us?

On your other point 'why are the economists for free trade more reliable than any others?' I'd say they are more reliable than remain economists because so far they've been proved correct in many of the predictions and forecasts they made about Brexit. Remain economists said a vote to leave would cause a recession,....There has been no recession. The economists for free trade said that growth would continue after a leave vote, .......growth has Continued after the leave vote. "

I said quite clearly that most people will be fine on holiday except for minor stomach bugs. Well done on your adventurous holidays though. Are the apartments in Africa and South America or South East Asia where you stay nice?

I don't live in fear at all, but I know that most of the time most of the food I eat and most of the things I use have been produced to a safe standard.

Do you think it costs more or less to produce things to the standard that we require? Would you be happy eating produce with a high pesticide content over several years or not?

Osborne is not an economist. He's a politician. He predicted a recession. He is a fool.

There has been continued growth in the UK economy, but has gone from the fastest growing to the slowest in the G7.

There has been a synchronized international boom that has ensured that every economy is performing far better than expected.

What would the consequences be for the UK if that was not happening?

Why are we benefiting less than all comparable economies even though our currency has been devalued?

Economists for Free Trade made no predictions for what would happen after the vote other than refute that there would be a recession. They predicted none of these factors.

So, again, why are they more reliable than any other economists why are their 5, 10 or 15 year predictions any better?

They want the unilateral removal of tariffs after we leave the EU. What does that mean? What would the consequences of that be?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them?

Seriously, is this the best you can post on a forum!!

Please, get a grip mate!

let me make it easy for you to understand the context of that post which you seem to be struggling with by quoting what i was responding to

"How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food. "

and by the way, i'm not your mate I eat the same as the remainers eat when abroad I go to macdonalds Burger King KFC lol

Where is abroad for you foxy.Scotland?."
France Spain Italy Greece turkeymost the med islands carribean canaries I'm only cpl hrs from Scotland but iv actually never been it's to cold bob you know I dint do cold that's why my next hol is down yrs on yr boat lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how do the racist brextremists who voted to leave because of their vehement hatred of foreigners cope when they go overseas .... do they gouge their own eyes out with spoons stab their own ear drums with biros so they don't have to see or hear them?

Seriously, is this the best you can post on a forum!!

Please, get a grip mate!

let me make it easy for you to understand the context of that post which you seem to be struggling with by quoting what i was responding to

"How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food. "

and by the way, i'm not your mate I eat the same as the remainers eat when abroad I go to macdonalds Burger King KFC lol

Where is abroad for you foxy.Scotland?. France Spain Italy Greece turkeymost the med islands carribean canaries I'm only cpl hrs from Scotland but iv actually never been it's to cold bob you know I dint do cold that's why my next hol is down yrs on yr boat lol "
Its funny we all take what's near for granted.The beach is 5 mins walk from my house and haven't been there since November.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Same here 10 miles away but have u seen the North Sea tho lol think yrs is a bit warmer and it's blue

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Perhaps we can actually turn to our own farmers and use British produced goods!

We could and can, it would be far more efficient packaging and carbon footprint wise.

Im in favour of encouraging people to reduce their meat intake and I think the gov should offer tax relief for first time farmers or farmers who wish to increase livestock diversification.

Given we had a good variety of terrain in the UK and a climate which is not particularly harsh we should look at goats and llama as new mainstream meat options.

Lower CO2 footprint than cows and pigs too and actually good for upland grazing."

Sheep fill the niche exploited by goats in warmer climates and tend not to kill all the shrubs/trees. You get goats in some very mountainous parts of the UK. Good luck catching them.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Meanwhile concerns are being raised about antibiotics use in USA meat raising, which can be 16 times the levels used in UK farming. A post Brexit deal would probably focus on imports of US food.

Clusterfuck from the swivel eyed brigade who'll sign up for anything that gets them out of a hole.

How do you and other remainers manage to sustain yourselves and get by when you visit other countries outside of the EU? You must all be living in fear constantly. It's a wonder you don't starve to death when you've spent a week in America for fear of eating their food. "

I live outside of the EU, spending some time inside it, so have a reasonable grasp of the situation. My current position is that the Uk government is failing its citizens through its atrocious negotiators - likely now to mean that the EU offer is only fit for rejection.

Back to food and trade - we are in a precarious situation, with superbugs with antibiotics resistance potentially overwhelming parts of the west. A country desperate for trade deals would wisely be cautious and show restraint before any rash steps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health. "

Well yes, but the food issue is the most pressing.

You know given both the long term and short term implications upon individual and societal health

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Why not just eating meat and eggs from British farmers? and help them and the country.

Most of the fresh meat and eggs people buy is already British or Irish and that's unlikely to change if we stay in the Customs Union. If however we leave the Customs Union then it's very likely that cheaper, sub standard, fresh(ish) meat and eggs from outside Europe will become available. That's what Mogg means when he says cheaper food will be possible after BREXIT and that is a real threat to both our health and the health of the British fresh produce industry.

Mogg not only talks about cheaper food, he also always mentions cheaper clothing and footwear alongside the food. If you think he has a point about the cheaper food you must also think he has a point about the clothing and footwear. I'm not surprised you ignore the cheaper clothing and footwear though because you can't link those things to scare stories around people's health.

Well yes, but the food issue is the most pressing.

You know given both the long term and short term implications upon individual and societal health"

It's also more particularly relevant in a country like the UK where the majority of food is not just processed but described as highly processed. It can be food that bears little resemblance to its natural form. It can have been reformed, treated, processed and modified multiple times, isolated or with other constituents of what the many business in extremely long production and supply chains exist within and between countries and eventual food maker and retailer. It's not like buying and sale of some fresh fruit and vegetables - which carries risk - but the majority of food now eaten in the UK which has been processed towards adulteration and nutritional obliteration.

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