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So, let's see how you fair this time:
When the leave the EU why will South Korea want to sign a trade deal with the UK alone than with the EU? It may prove useful if you could define "better".
Once we have left the EU why will we be able to sell more goods and services to China than we do now? Perhaps in this answer someone could define what China may wish to purchase from the UK?
What EU derived rules and regulations will substantially improve the lives of UK citizens of they were removed? Defining three significant ones would probably prove the point.
My guess is that these three questions will be answered directly by nobody.
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"I don't have much success on here getting leave voters to answer direct questions. It amuses me to keep trying though as not answering demonstrates quite a lot
So, let's see how you fair this time:
When the leave the EU why will South Korea want to sign a trade deal with the UK alone than with the EU? It may prove useful if you could define "better".
Once we have left the EU why will we be able to sell more goods and services to China than we do now? Perhaps in this answer someone could define what China may wish to purchase from the UK?
What EU derived rules and regulations will substantially improve the lives of UK citizens of they were removed? Defining three significant ones would probably prove the point.
My guess is that these three questions will be answered directly by nobody.
Good be a dull thread "1. South Korea has already indicated that it wants a bilateral 1 to 1 trade deal with the UK when we leave the EU. Why does it want one? Well I suppose you'd be better off asking South Korea that but from a British perspective we can look to tailor a free trade deal with South Korea that is perhaps less protectionist than the EU's trade deals and tailored more towards the UK's strengths (rather than the wider EU). Free trade is the way forward to prosperity, not the EU's protectionist policies and attitude towards trade deals. 2. China and why will we be able to sell more goods and services to them after Brexit? Simple really because we can sign a trade deal with China that we don't currently have (the EU does not currently have a trade deal with China even though the EU has been in existence now for some 40 plus years). If the EU-Canada trade deal shows anything it's how long it takes the EU to get trade deals negotiated and signed, the UK can do a bilateral trade deal with China (and Canada) much more quickly on a 1 to 1 country basis. The EU spent years negotiating a trade deal with USA and in the end it all fell apart anyway, we can also get a deal done with USA much more quickly on our own. What does China want to buy from the UK? Seeing as China is one of the fastest growing economies in the world right now people are becoming richer there, they'll be looking to buy luxury British products like Land Rovers, Jaguars, and Aston Martins. China's economic boom is also in the construction industry so they'll be looking to buy Construction plant from us like JCB diggers and earth movers. 3. What EU rules and regulations once removed will benefit UK citizens? EU rules and regulations on the fishing industry once removed will directly benefit UK citizens and will create more jobs in the UK fishing Industry after we leave the EU. Price of uk seafood could fall and more jobs created in the industry, it's a win/win situation for UK citizens all round. On farming and agriculture as the recent comments from environment secretary Michael Gove showed the EU rules on the Common Agricultural policy (CAP) can be changed after Brexit to benefit the environment and make the UK greener, this in turn also benefits UK citizens. You asked for 3 examples, I've given you 2 so here is the 3rd....We can scrap the EU's hated rules on free movement of people to control our own borders better. Much tougher controls can be put onto European citizens who want to come here so we can bar all EU citizens with criminal records from entering the UK if we want, this will benefit UK citizens here in the UK and will lead to a reduction in crime rates. Police statistical analysis shows a significant proportion of cashpoint card fraud for example is committed by Eastern European gangs operating here. These people should have never been allowed in the first place. | |||
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"I don't have much success on here getting leave voters to answer direct questions. It amuses me to keep trying though as not answering demonstrates quite a lot
So, let's see how you fair this time:
When the leave the EU why will South Korea want to sign a trade deal with the UK alone than with the EU? It may prove useful if you could define "better".
Once we have left the EU why will we be able to sell more goods and services to China than we do now? Perhaps in this answer someone could define what China may wish to purchase from the UK?
What EU derived rules and regulations will substantially improve the lives of UK citizens of they were removed? Defining three significant ones would probably prove the point.
My guess is that these three questions will be answered directly by nobody.
Good be a dull thread
1. South Korea has already indicated that it wants a bilateral 1 to 1 trade deal with the UK when we leave the EU. Why does it want one? Well I suppose you'd be better off asking South Korea that but from a British perspective we can look to tailor a free trade deal with South Korea that is perhaps less protectionist than the EU's trade deals and tailored more towards the UK's strengths (rather than the wider EU). Free trade is the way forward to prosperity, not the EU's protectionist policies and attitude towards trade deals.
2. China and why will we be able to sell more goods and services to them after Brexit? Simple really because we can sign a trade deal with China that we don't currently have (the EU does not currently have a trade deal with China even though the EU has been in existence now for some 40 plus years). If the EU-Canada trade deal shows anything it's how long it takes the EU to get trade deals negotiated and signed, the UK can do a bilateral trade deal with China (and Canada) much more quickly on a 1 to 1 country basis. The EU spent years negotiating a trade deal with USA and in the end it all fell apart anyway, we can also get a deal done with USA much more quickly on our own.
What does China want to buy from the UK? Seeing as China is one of the fastest growing economies in the world right now people are becoming richer there, they'll be looking to buy luxury British products like Land Rovers, Jaguars, and Aston Martins. China's economic boom is also in the construction industry so they'll be looking to buy Construction plant from us like JCB diggers and earth movers.
3. What EU rules and regulations once removed will benefit UK citizens? EU rules and regulations on the fishing industry once removed will directly benefit UK citizens and will create more jobs in the UK fishing Industry after we leave the EU. Price of uk seafood could fall and more jobs created in the industry, it's a win/win situation for UK citizens all round. On farming and agriculture as the recent comments from environment secretary Michael Gove showed the EU rules on the Common Agricultural policy (CAP) can be changed after Brexit to benefit the environment and make the UK greener, this in turn also benefits UK citizens. You asked for 3 examples, I've given you 2 so here is the 3rd....We can scrap the EU's hated rules on free movement of people to control our own borders better. Much tougher controls can be put onto European citizens who want to come here so we can bar all EU citizens with criminal records from entering the UK if we want, this will benefit UK citizens here in the UK and will lead to a reduction in crime rates. Police statistical analysis shows a significant proportion of cashpoint card fraud for example is committed by Eastern European gangs operating here. These people should have never been allowed in the first place. "1. This is the current trade agreement: "The EU-South Korea free trade agreement eliminates duties for industrial and agricultural goods in a progressive, step-by-step approach. The majority of import duties had been removed in 2011. The remaining ones – with exception of a limited number of agricultural products – were removed after 5 years on 1 July 2016. The FTA also addresses non-tariff barriers to trade, specifically in the automotive, pharmaceutical, medical devices and electronics sectors. The agreement creates new opportunities for market access in services and investments, and includes provisions in areas such as competition policy, government procurement, intellectual property rights, transparency in regulation and sustainable development. The agreement established a number of specialised committees and working groups between the two parties to monitor its implementation. These bodies also provide an opportunity to seek resolutions to market access concerns and to engage in closer regulatory cooperation. The annual trade committee at ministerial level plays a supervisory role and is designed to ensure that the agreement operates properly." What is "better" than this in your opinion that would be "more tailored" to the needs of the UK and "less protectionist"? If free trade is good then why leave the biggest free trade area on the planet? 2. When two parties of equal stature negotiate then negotiations are detailed and take time. When one party is significantly stronger, negotiations are easier. How strong is the UKs negotiating hand compared to the EU? Does the USA have a free trade agreement with China? How old is the USA? This is who China has free trade agreements with. Notice anything? Dates and relative size to China? ASEAN, China-ASEAN Free Trade Area (2010) Australia, China-Australia Free Trade Agreement (2015) Chile, China-Chile Free Trade Agreement (2006) Costa Rica, China-Costa Rica Free Trade Agreement (2011) Georgia, China-Georgia Free Trade Agreement (2017) Hong Kong, Mainland and Hong Kong Closer Economic Partnership Arrangement (CEPA) (2003) Iceland, China-Iceland Free Trade Agreement (2014) Macau, Mainland and Macau Closer Economic Partnership Arrangement (CEPA) (2003) Maldives, China-Maldives Free Trade Agreement (2017) New Zealand, China-New Zealand Free Trade Agreement (2008) Pakistan, China-Pakistan Free Trade Agreement (2006) Peru, China-Peru Free Trade Agreement (2010) Republic of China (Taiwan), Economic Cooperation Framework Agreement (2010) Singapore, China-Singapore Free Trade Agreement (2009) South Korea, China-South Korea Free Trade Agreement (2015) Switzerland[3], China-Switzerland free trade agreement (2014) Jaguar Land Rover and JCB manufacture outside the UK and are increasing that capacity. JLR manufacturers in China and JCB in India for those sales. They are also perfectly capable of building their own cars and industrial equipment. They also like German luxury cars even more. Where are most British luxury clothing products manufactured? In the UK? 3a. Common Fisheries Policy? We are going to take "British" fish in British waters out to the 200 mile limit? How much of our fishing happens in EU waters? Do we fish as mush as we like or do we have to work out how much can be taken to ensure future supplies? Some sort of a quota? Might this require some negotiation? Will there be tariff barriers to UK exports to the EU? Will we add the cost of freezing and ship it to somewhere else? b. Common Agricultural Policy? Your faith in our politicians is touching. They are currently committed to adding a 5p charge for plastic bags in small shops. More red tape surely? We are free to introduce policies that benefit the environment now. Why don't we? c. The EU immigration rules are hated by slightly more people in the UK than not. It's subjective isn't it? We can prevent dangerous criminals from entering the country now. My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? UK crime statistics indicate that immigrants make up 4% of the population but 3% of criminals. What does that tell you? However, that said, I'm impressed that you actually directly replied . A repetition of sound bites without really taking a deeper look into the detail but you did make a concerted effort. Will you read this far?  | |||
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"I don't have much success on here getting leave voters to answer direct questions. It amuses me to keep trying though as not answering demonstrates quite a lot
So, let's see how you fair this time:
When the leave the EU why will South Korea want to sign a trade deal with the UK alone than with the EU? It may prove useful if you could define "better".
Once we have left the EU why will we be able to sell more goods and services to China than we do now? Perhaps in this answer someone could define what China may wish to purchase from the UK?
What EU derived rules and regulations will substantially improve the lives of UK citizens of they were removed? Defining three significant ones would probably prove the point.
My guess is that these three questions will be answered directly by nobody.
Good be a dull thread
1. South Korea has already indicated that it wants a bilateral 1 to 1 trade deal with the UK when we leave the EU. Why does it want one? Well I suppose you'd be better off asking South Korea that but from a British perspective we can look to tailor a free trade deal with South Korea that is perhaps less protectionist than the EU's trade deals and tailored more towards the UK's strengths (rather than the wider EU). Free trade is the way forward to prosperity, not the EU's protectionist policies and attitude towards trade deals.
2. China and why will we be able to sell more goods and services to them after Brexit? Simple really because we can sign a trade deal with China that we don't currently have (the EU does not currently have a trade deal with China even though the EU has been in existence now for some 40 plus years). If the EU-Canada trade deal shows anything it's how long it takes the EU to get trade deals negotiated and signed, the UK can do a bilateral trade deal with China (and Canada) much more quickly on a 1 to 1 country basis. The EU spent years negotiating a trade deal with USA and in the end it all fell apart anyway, we can also get a deal done with USA much more quickly on our own.
What does China want to buy from the UK? Seeing as China is one of the fastest growing economies in the world right now people are becoming richer there, they'll be looking to buy luxury British products like Land Rovers, Jaguars, and Aston Martins. China's economic boom is also in the construction industry so they'll be looking to buy Construction plant from us like JCB diggers and earth movers.
3. What EU rules and regulations once removed will benefit UK citizens? EU rules and regulations on the fishing industry once removed will directly benefit UK citizens and will create more jobs in the UK fishing Industry after we leave the EU. Price of uk seafood could fall and more jobs created in the industry, it's a win/win situation for UK citizens all round. On farming and agriculture as the recent comments from environment secretary Michael Gove showed the EU rules on the Common Agricultural policy (CAP) can be changed after Brexit to benefit the environment and make the UK greener, this in turn also benefits UK citizens. You asked for 3 examples, I've given you 2 so here is the 3rd....We can scrap the EU's hated rules on free movement of people to control our own borders better. Much tougher controls can be put onto European citizens who want to come here so we can bar all EU citizens with criminal records from entering the UK if we want, this will benefit UK citizens here in the UK and will lead to a reduction in crime rates. Police statistical analysis shows a significant proportion of cashpoint card fraud for example is committed by Eastern European gangs operating here. These people should have never been allowed in the first place.
1. This is the current trade agreement: "The EU-South Korea free trade agreement eliminates duties for industrial and agricultural goods in a progressive, step-by-step approach.
The majority of import duties had been removed in 2011. The remaining ones – with exception of a limited number of agricultural products – were removed after 5 years on 1 July 2016.
The FTA also addresses non-tariff barriers to trade, specifically in the automotive, pharmaceutical, medical devices and electronics sectors.
The agreement creates new opportunities for market access in services and investments, and includes provisions in areas such as competition policy, government procurement, intellectual property rights, transparency in regulation and sustainable development.
The agreement established a number of specialised committees and working groups between the two parties to monitor its implementation.
These bodies also provide an opportunity to seek resolutions to market access concerns and to engage in closer regulatory cooperation. The annual trade committee at ministerial level plays a supervisory role and is designed to ensure that the agreement operates properly."
What is "better" than this in your opinion that would be "more tailored" to the needs of the UK and "less protectionist"?
If free trade is good then why leave the biggest free trade area on the planet?
2. When two parties of equal stature negotiate then negotiations are detailed and take time. When one party is significantly stronger, negotiations are easier.
How strong is the UKs negotiating hand compared to the EU?
Does the USA have a free trade agreement with China? How old is the USA?
This is who China has free trade agreements with. Notice anything? Dates and relative size to China?
ASEAN, China-ASEAN Free Trade Area (2010)
Australia, China-Australia Free Trade Agreement (2015)
Chile, China-Chile Free Trade Agreement (2006)
Costa Rica, China-Costa Rica Free Trade Agreement (2011)
Georgia, China-Georgia Free Trade Agreement (2017)
Hong Kong, Mainland and Hong Kong Closer Economic Partnership Arrangement (CEPA) (2003)
Iceland, China-Iceland Free Trade Agreement (2014)
Macau, Mainland and Macau Closer Economic Partnership Arrangement (CEPA) (2003)
Maldives, China-Maldives Free Trade Agreement (2017)
New Zealand, China-New Zealand Free Trade Agreement (2008)
Pakistan, China-Pakistan Free Trade Agreement (2006)
Peru, China-Peru Free Trade Agreement (2010)
Republic of China (Taiwan), Economic Cooperation Framework Agreement (2010)
Singapore, China-Singapore Free Trade Agreement (2009)
South Korea, China-South Korea Free Trade Agreement (2015)
Switzerland[3], China-Switzerland free trade agreement (2014)
Jaguar Land Rover and JCB manufacture outside the UK and are increasing that capacity. JLR manufacturers in China and JCB in India for those sales. They are also perfectly capable of building their own cars and industrial equipment. They also like German luxury cars even more.
Where are most British luxury clothing products manufactured? In the UK?
3a. Common Fisheries Policy? We are going to take "British" fish in British waters out to the 200 mile limit? How much of our fishing happens in EU waters? Do we fish as mush as we like or do we have to work out how much can be taken to ensure future supplies? Some sort of a quota? Might this require some negotiation? Will there be tariff barriers to UK exports to the EU? Will we add the cost of freezing and ship it to somewhere else?
b. Common Agricultural Policy? Your faith in our politicians is touching. They are currently committed to adding a 5p charge for plastic bags in small shops. More red tape surely? We are free to introduce policies that benefit the environment now. Why don't we?
c. The EU immigration rules are hated by slightly more people in the UK than not. It's subjective isn't it?
We can prevent dangerous criminals from entering the country now. My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal?
UK crime statistics indicate that immigrants make up 4% of the population but 3% of criminals. What does that tell you?
However, that said, I'm impressed that you actually directly replied . A repetition of sound bites without really taking a deeper look into the detail but you did make a concerted effort.
Will you read this far? "You guessed that no one would reply, I replied so I guess I proved you wrong. I did reply in the knowledge you would disagree with my points because you are cognitively biased against Brexit, as you will no doubt accuse me of being cognitively biased against the EU. So nothing has changed here you are still in favour of remain and I'm still in favour of Brexit. However we are leaving the EU, that is the path the country has chosen and I'm content and happy about it, it's you and other remainers who need to come to terms with it. | |||
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""We will have a trade deal with China!" Of course you will. It'll be one sided and not to the UK's benefit, but you'll get it fast, and that's what counts, right? " Ok taking the OP's point about South Korea then, using your own logic,....we will have a trade deal with South Korea which will be one sided and not to South Korea's benefit, and we will get it fast too. The UK economy is bigger than South Korea's economy. | |||
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""We will have a trade deal with China!" Of course you will. It'll be one sided and not to the UK's benefit, but you'll get it fast, and that's what counts, right? Ok taking the OP's point about South Korea then, using your own logic,....we will have a trade deal with South Korea which will be one sided and not to South Korea's benefit, and we will get it fast too. The UK economy is bigger than South Korea's economy. " This true, but who imports what from who? Maybe the S.korean middle class import a good number of jags and rolls royce from us? But what else and is that market increasing? And can we expand our own job market in car manufacture just off this POTENTIAL increase in demand? Or will buisness just expect high output from their own staff? As for S.korea, half my tech stuff is from there, a good amount of specialist food I eat is from there. Off the bat I'd say they export more to us than we to them - I could just be wrong. If I am right, do the british brexiteers have ideas for new market revenues we can stimulate here so we can export more an employ more. Cause all I hear about is cars, whiskey, cheese and high and clothes. Not really big enough markets to permanently employ large numbers of people in and ensure people have good salaries. And given we have a secondary debt and funding bubble for the NHS with the older population, I think ensuring people have regular well paying work is important for our self sufficiency | |||
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""We will have a trade deal with China!" Of course you will. It'll be one sided and not to the UK's benefit, but you'll get it fast, and that's what counts, right? Ok taking the OP's point about South Korea then, using your own logic,....we will have a trade deal with South Korea which will be one sided and not to South Korea's benefit, and we will get it fast too. The UK economy is bigger than South Korea's economy. " And how's the UK negotiating team? Because you'll need some people to use what little leverage you have.... | |||
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""We will have a trade deal with China!" Of course you will. It'll be one sided and not to the UK's benefit, but you'll get it fast, and that's what counts, right? Ok taking the OP's point about South Korea then, using your own logic,....we will have a trade deal with South Korea which will be one sided and not to South Korea's benefit, and we will get it fast too. The UK economy is bigger than South Korea's economy. This true, but who imports what from who? Maybe the S.korean middle class import a good number of jags and rolls royce from us? But what else and is that market increasing? And can we expand our own job market in car manufacture just off this POTENTIAL increase in demand? Or will buisness just expect high output from their own staff? As for S.korea, half my tech stuff is from there, a good amount of specialist food I eat is from there. Off the bat I'd say they export more to us than we to them - I could just be wrong. If I am right, do the british brexiteers have ideas for new market revenues we can stimulate here so we can export more an employ more. Cause all I hear about is cars, whiskey, cheese and high and clothes. Not really big enough markets to permanently employ large numbers of people in and ensure people have good salaries. And given we have a secondary debt and funding bubble for the NHS with the older population, I think ensuring people have regular well paying work is important for our self sufficiency" Ah yes. The post-Brexit cheese boom will save our economy. | |||
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""We will have a trade deal with China!" Of course you will. It'll be one sided and not to the UK's benefit, but you'll get it fast, and that's what counts, right? Ok taking the OP's point about South Korea then, using your own logic,....we will have a trade deal with South Korea which will be one sided and not to South Korea's benefit, and we will get it fast too. The UK economy is bigger than South Korea's economy. This true, but who imports what from who? Maybe the S.korean middle class import a good number of jags and rolls royce from us? But what else and is that market increasing? And can we expand our own job market in car manufacture just off this POTENTIAL increase in demand? Or will buisness just expect high output from their own staff? As for S.korea, half my tech stuff is from there, a good amount of specialist food I eat is from there. Off the bat I'd say they export more to us than we to them - I could just be wrong. If I am right, do the british brexiteers have ideas for new market revenues we can stimulate here so we can export more an employ more. Cause all I hear about is cars, whiskey, cheese and high and clothes. Not really big enough markets to permanently employ large numbers of people in and ensure people have good salaries. And given we have a secondary debt and funding bubble for the NHS with the older population, I think ensuring people have regular well paying work is important for our self sufficiency Ah yes. The post-Brexit cheese boom will save our economy. " Dont forget our mass manufacture of high quality tailored clothes | |||
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"I don't have much success on here getting leave voters to answer direct questions. It amuses me to keep trying though as not answering demonstrates quite a lot
So, let's see how you fair this time:
When the leave the EU why will South Korea want to sign a trade deal with the UK alone than with the EU? It may prove useful if you could define "better".
Once we have left the EU why will we be able to sell more goods and services to China than we do now? Perhaps in this answer someone could define what China may wish to purchase from the UK?
What EU derived rules and regulations will substantially improve the lives of UK citizens of they were removed? Defining three significant ones would probably prove the point.
My guess is that these three questions will be answered directly by nobody.
Good be a dull thread
1. South Korea has already indicated that it wants a bilateral 1 to 1 trade deal with the UK when we leave the EU. Why does it want one? Well I suppose you'd be better off asking South Korea that but from a British perspective we can look to tailor a free trade deal with South Korea that is perhaps less protectionist than the EU's trade deals and tailored more towards the UK's strengths (rather than the wider EU). Free trade is the way forward to prosperity, not the EU's protectionist policies and attitude towards trade deals.
2. China and why will we be able to sell more goods and services to them after Brexit? Simple really because we can sign a trade deal with China that we don't currently have (the EU does not currently have a trade deal with China even though the EU has been in existence now for some 40 plus years). If the EU-Canada trade deal shows anything it's how long it takes the EU to get trade deals negotiated and signed, the UK can do a bilateral trade deal with China (and Canada) much more quickly on a 1 to 1 country basis. The EU spent years negotiating a trade deal with USA and in the end it all fell apart anyway, we can also get a deal done with USA much more quickly on our own.
What does China want to buy from the UK? Seeing as China is one of the fastest growing economies in the world right now people are becoming richer there, they'll be looking to buy luxury British products like Land Rovers, Jaguars, and Aston Martins. China's economic boom is also in the construction industry so they'll be looking to buy Construction plant from us like JCB diggers and earth movers.
3. What EU rules and regulations once removed will benefit UK citizens? EU rules and regulations on the fishing industry once removed will directly benefit UK citizens and will create more jobs in the UK fishing Industry after we leave the EU. Price of uk seafood could fall and more jobs created in the industry, it's a win/win situation for UK citizens all round. On farming and agriculture as the recent comments from environment secretary Michael Gove showed the EU rules on the Common Agricultural policy (CAP) can be changed after Brexit to benefit the environment and make the UK greener, this in turn also benefits UK citizens. You asked for 3 examples, I've given you 2 so here is the 3rd....We can scrap the EU's hated rules on free movement of people to control our own borders better. Much tougher controls can be put onto European citizens who want to come here so we can bar all EU citizens with criminal records from entering the UK if we want, this will benefit UK citizens here in the UK and will lead to a reduction in crime rates. Police statistical analysis shows a significant proportion of cashpoint card fraud for example is committed by Eastern European gangs operating here. These people should have never been allowed in the first place.
1. This is the current trade agreement: "The EU-South Korea free trade agreement eliminates duties for industrial and agricultural goods in a progressive, step-by-step approach.
The majority of import duties had been removed in 2011. The remaining ones – with exception of a limited number of agricultural products – were removed after 5 years on 1 July 2016.
The FTA also addresses non-tariff barriers to trade, specifically in the automotive, pharmaceutical, medical devices and electronics sectors.
The agreement creates new opportunities for market access in services and investments, and includes provisions in areas such as competition policy, government procurement, intellectual property rights, transparency in regulation and sustainable development.
The agreement established a number of specialised committees and working groups between the two parties to monitor its implementation.
These bodies also provide an opportunity to seek resolutions to market access concerns and to engage in closer regulatory cooperation. The annual trade committee at ministerial level plays a supervisory role and is designed to ensure that the agreement operates properly."
What is "better" than this in your opinion that would be "more tailored" to the needs of the UK and "less protectionist"?
If free trade is good then why leave the biggest free trade area on the planet?
2. When two parties of equal stature negotiate then negotiations are detailed and take time. When one party is significantly stronger, negotiations are easier.
How strong is the UKs negotiating hand compared to the EU?
Does the USA have a free trade agreement with China? How old is the USA?
This is who China has free trade agreements with. Notice anything? Dates and relative size to China?
ASEAN, China-ASEAN Free Trade Area (2010)
Australia, China-Australia Free Trade Agreement (2015)
Chile, China-Chile Free Trade Agreement (2006)
Costa Rica, China-Costa Rica Free Trade Agreement (2011)
Georgia, China-Georgia Free Trade Agreement (2017)
Hong Kong, Mainland and Hong Kong Closer Economic Partnership Arrangement (CEPA) (2003)
Iceland, China-Iceland Free Trade Agreement (2014)
Macau, Mainland and Macau Closer Economic Partnership Arrangement (CEPA) (2003)
Maldives, China-Maldives Free Trade Agreement (2017)
New Zealand, China-New Zealand Free Trade Agreement (2008)
Pakistan, China-Pakistan Free Trade Agreement (2006)
Peru, China-Peru Free Trade Agreement (2010)
Republic of China (Taiwan), Economic Cooperation Framework Agreement (2010)
Singapore, China-Singapore Free Trade Agreement (2009)
South Korea, China-South Korea Free Trade Agreement (2015)
Switzerland[3], China-Switzerland free trade agreement (2014)
Jaguar Land Rover and JCB manufacture outside the UK and are increasing that capacity. JLR manufacturers in China and JCB in India for those sales. They are also perfectly capable of building their own cars and industrial equipment. They also like German luxury cars even more.
Where are most British luxury clothing products manufactured? In the UK?
3a. Common Fisheries Policy? We are going to take "British" fish in British waters out to the 200 mile limit? How much of our fishing happens in EU waters? Do we fish as mush as we like or do we have to work out how much can be taken to ensure future supplies? Some sort of a quota? Might this require some negotiation? Will there be tariff barriers to UK exports to the EU? Will we add the cost of freezing and ship it to somewhere else?
b. Common Agricultural Policy? Your faith in our politicians is touching. They are currently committed to adding a 5p charge for plastic bags in small shops. More red tape surely? We are free to introduce policies that benefit the environment now. Why don't we?
c. The EU immigration rules are hated by slightly more people in the UK than not. It's subjective isn't it?
We can prevent dangerous criminals from entering the country now. My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal?
UK crime statistics indicate that immigrants make up 4% of the population but 3% of criminals. What does that tell you?
However, that said, I'm impressed that you actually directly replied . A repetition of sound bites without really taking a deeper look into the detail but you did make a concerted effort.
Will you read this far?
You guessed that no one would reply, I replied so I guess I proved you wrong.
I did reply in the knowledge you would disagree with my points because you are cognitively biased against Brexit, as you will no doubt accuse me of being cognitively biased against the EU. So nothing has changed here you are still in favour of remain and I'm still in favour of Brexit. However we are leaving the EU, that is the path the country has chosen and I'm content and happy about it, it's you and other remainers who need to come to terms with it. "I suspect that you only made as much effort as you did because I challenged you 
You have also not addressed my rebuttal because it's complicated. It implies that it's complicated and at not solve everything. It may not even solve anything.
In making that comment you have rather demonstrated that you don't actually understand what cognitive bias is.
You cannot, and have not, ever indicated why those who want to remain hold the opinion that they do. You cannot even bring yourself to write down what advantages that we may perceive come from membership of the EU or what risks and disadvantages there may be from leaving.
Is your confidence really that fragile?
You also have not shown any grace in your victory. You crow. Not very British.
I do not have to come to terms with anything. I am perfectly at liberty to fight for every inch and make every effort to reverse it. That is quite British isn't it? | |||
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"Without wishing to tilt this interesting debate in any direction. The USA has a far larger economy than ours...I’m sure both sides will agree. However...we have a balance of trade surplus with USA. That’s without a formal FTAagreement. So from both sides...how do you see this changing, for better or for worse, after brexit.?" That's the thing about the global economy. We don't actually import much from America. Mainly aeroplanes and weapons. Levis, Coca-Cola and Apple products don't come from the USA do they? What does America want that we produce? Products or services? | |||
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""We will have a trade deal with China!" Of course you will. It'll be one sided and not to the UK's benefit, but you'll get it fast, and that's what counts, right? Ok taking the OP's point about South Korea then, using your own logic,....we will have a trade deal with South Korea which will be one sided and not to South Korea's benefit, and we will get it fast too. The UK economy is bigger than South Korea's economy. " Except that we, as a single economy, purchase less from them than the EU as a single market. I quoted the summary of the EU deal. How would we go about improving that? Why should they even replicate it? Where will we get substitute products from? Essentially the best we can hope for is to stay in the same place. What's the point in that? | |||
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"Without wishing to tilt this interesting debate in any direction. The USA has a far larger economy than ours...I’m sure both sides will agree. However...we have a balance of trade surplus with USA. That’s without a formal FTAagreement. So from both sides...how do you see this changing, for better or for worse, after brexit.? That's the thing about the global economy. We don't actually import much from America. Mainly aeroplanes and weapons. Levis, Coca-Cola and Apple products don't come from the USA do they? What does America want that we produce? Products or services?" Scotch for one | |||
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"Without wishing to tilt this interesting debate in any direction. The USA has a far larger economy than ours...I’m sure both sides will agree. However...we have a balance of trade surplus with USA. That’s without a formal FTAagreement. So from both sides...how do you see this changing, for better or for worse, after brexit.? That's the thing about the global economy. We don't actually import much from America. Mainly aeroplanes and weapons. Levis, Coca-Cola and Apple products don't come from the USA do they? What does America want that we produce? Products or services? Scotch for one" Great but scotch wont employ me or the min wage workers in my area | |||
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"Without wishing to tilt this interesting debate in any direction. The USA has a far larger economy than ours...I’m sure both sides will agree. However...we have a balance of trade surplus with USA. That’s without a formal FTAagreement. So from both sides...how do you see this changing, for better or for worse, after brexit.? That's the thing about the global economy. We don't actually import much from America. Mainly aeroplanes and weapons. Levis, Coca-Cola and Apple products don't come from the USA do they? What does America want that we produce? Products or services? Scotch for one" And English  | |||
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"Without wishing to tilt this interesting debate in any direction. The USA has a far larger economy than ours...I’m sure both sides will agree. However...we have a balance of trade surplus with USA. That’s without a formal FTAagreement. So from both sides...how do you see this changing, for better or for worse, after brexit.? That's the thing about the global economy. We don't actually import much from America. Mainly aeroplanes and weapons. Levis, Coca-Cola and Apple products don't come from the USA do they? What does America want that we produce? Products or services? Scotch for one" Another trite response. Are you actually able to engage with the complexity of this? Try and answer. If you can't manage better than this then you are demonstrating very clearly that you actually have no comprehension of what you voted for although you consistently insist that you are very successful and wise. However, this is based mainly on the fact that you were born at a time that allowed you to benefit from rising property prices, excellent pension provision and a functioning NHS. You are now voting for the chaos of Brexit and abandoning the country to go to the USA where people have 10 days annual leave,instant dismissal and health insurance also tied to their job. See if you can manage some real contemplation. | |||
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
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fool on you
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oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
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For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
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again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
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You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
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fool on you
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oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
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For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
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again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
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You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
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fool on you
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oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
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For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
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again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
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You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
."You haven't understood the question have you? Why you think that a radio broadcast of War of the Worlds has any relevance to this conversation is beyond me. Are you implying that I am a coward because you cannot respond to some fundamental questions about Brexit or because you have benefitted from an accident of birth? You worked in the UK where you benefitted from a raft of employment laws that weren't provided to your colleagues as well as pension provision which increasingly few companies can now afford to offer. Are you saying that I'm a fool because I have looked at both the positives and negatives of a situation using all the information I have available rather than blithely stating that something will happen because I say so? Your entire response is angry bluster and entirely free of coherent content. See if you can do any better next time or else all you accomplish is to further draw attention to your inability to respond to what you are being asked to do. | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
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fool on you
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oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
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For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
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again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
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You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
."As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent. Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract. They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states. What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
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fool on you
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oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
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For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
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again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
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You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
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As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements"Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly. At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried. Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
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fool on you
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oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
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For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
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again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
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You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
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You haven't understood the question have you?
Why you think that a radio broadcast of War of the Worlds has any relevance to this conversation is beyond me.
Are you implying that I am a coward because you cannot respond to some fundamental questions about Brexit or because you have benefitted from an accident of birth?
You worked in the UK where you benefitted from a raft of employment laws that weren't provided to your colleagues as well as pension provision which increasingly few companies can now afford to offer.
Are you saying that I'm a fool because I have looked at both the positives and negatives of a situation using all the information I have available rather than blithely stating that something will happen because I say so?
Your entire response is angry bluster and entirely free of coherent content.
See if you can do any better next time or else all you accomplish is to further draw attention to your inability to respond to what you are being asked to do."The only person implying you are a coward and a fool, is indeed yourself read what you stated, do you really see yourself that way?? strange, perhaps you are upset that we don't play your games | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
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fool on you
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oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
You haven't understood the question have you?
Why you think that a radio broadcast of War of the Worlds has any relevance to this conversation is beyond me.
Are you implying that I am a coward because you cannot respond to some fundamental questions about Brexit or because you have benefitted from an accident of birth?
You worked in the UK where you benefitted from a raft of employment laws that weren't provided to your colleagues as well as pension provision which increasingly few companies can now afford to offer.
Are you saying that I'm a fool because I have looked at both the positives and negatives of a situation using all the information I have available rather than blithely stating that something will happen because I say so?
Your entire response is angry bluster and entirely free of coherent content.
See if you can do any better next time or else all you accomplish is to further draw attention to your inability to respond to what you are being asked to do.
The only person implying you are a coward and a fool, is indeed yourself
read what you stated, do you really see yourself that way??
strange,
perhaps you are upset that we don't play your games
"Your the only one who plays games dictating to people have you allways been a bully | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
.
fool on you
.
oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements
Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly.
At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried.
Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims "What is the point? You'll only disagree (again). You've already made your mind up that Brexit is bad and you'd rather stay in the EU, nothing I say or Cask says or any other Brexiter for that matter will change your mind. Just as nothing you say will convince me it's better to remain. As I said, the country was asked the question and the country gave it's answer. We are leaving the EU and this is the path the country has chosen. I'm content and happy about it. 
You can remain bitter and angry if you want, you can continue to bitch and moan about it on here like a little cry baby if you want but it won't reverse the decision. The sooner you and other remainers come to terms with the country's decision the sooner we can move onto a better and brighter future outside of the EU. | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
.
fool on you
.
oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements
Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly.
At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried.
Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims
What is the point? You'll only disagree (again). You've already made your mind up that Brexit is bad and you'd rather stay in the EU, nothing I say or Cask says or any other Brexiter for that matter will change your mind. Just as nothing you say will convince me it's better to remain. As I said, the country was asked the question and the country gave it's answer. We are leaving the EU and this is the path the country has chosen. I'm content and happy about it.
You can remain bitter and angry if you want, you can continue to bitch and moan about it on here like a little cry baby if you want but it won't reverse the decision. The sooner you and other remainers come to terms with the country's decision the sooner we can move onto a better and brighter future outside of the EU. "Actually, as I said, you made the best effort that you ever have to respond, so I am impressed. I just feel that you've shied away again when I've pushed you to define what you mean by the loose phrases that you employ. If it were an exam it would be asking you to show your working. What's the logic of your assertions? Is logic unnecessary? I am angry because I think that leaving the EU is a terribly bad decision for the UK and the people living here. I am perfectly able to accept that you think that leaving is good for the UK. Can you bring yourself to accept that remainders opinions are based on what they think is best for the country? You have never acknowledged any positive from membership of the EU or any negatives from leaving. There are certainly both aren't there? It's very difficult to take someone seriously when they are unable to see any other position than their own. If you're going to talk about bitterness and whining, how many years of just that brought us to the referendum? Are you saying it was years of patient, logical argument that has brought us here? Why can the decision not be reversed? What's the point of democracy if not to be able to change your mind if the information changes? | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
.
fool on you
.
oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
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again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
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You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
."He tried the same bolloxs with me on another thread. English was just as bad as well  | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
.
fool on you
.
oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
You haven't understood the question have you?
Why you think that a radio broadcast of War of the Worlds has any relevance to this conversation is beyond me.
Are you implying that I am a coward because you cannot respond to some fundamental questions about Brexit or because you have benefitted from an accident of birth?
You worked in the UK where you benefitted from a raft of employment laws that weren't provided to your colleagues as well as pension provision which increasingly few companies can now afford to offer.
Are you saying that I'm a fool because I have looked at both the positives and negatives of a situation using all the information I have available rather than blithely stating that something will happen because I say so?
Your entire response is angry bluster and entirely free of coherent content.
See if you can do any better next time or else all you accomplish is to further draw attention to your inability to respond to what you are being asked to do.
The only person implying you are a coward and a fool, is indeed yourself
read what you stated, do you really see yourself that way??
strange,
perhaps you are upset that we don't play your games
"Actually, no, your entire thread was making that accusation. You even wrote the phrase "Fool on you". It's not a game. I posted this thread with some fundamental questions about the logic of Brexit. You chose to write here but have been singularly unable to respond in any coherent manner. Why are you posting here at all if you do not have the ability to respond to the questions posed? | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
.
You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
.
fool on you
.
oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements
Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly.
At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried.
Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims
What is the point? You'll only disagree (again). You've already made your mind up that Brexit is bad and you'd rather stay in the EU, nothing I say or Cask says or any other Brexiter for that matter will change your mind. Just as nothing you say will convince me it's better to remain. As I said, the country was asked the question and the country gave it's answer. We are leaving the EU and this is the path the country has chosen. I'm content and happy about it.
You can remain bitter and angry if you want, you can continue to bitch and moan about it on here like a little cry baby if you want but it won't reverse the decision. The sooner you and other remainers come to terms with the country's decision the sooner we can move onto a better and brighter future outside of the EU. "Why are you happy and content when so many other brexiters like Rees Mogg, Banks and Farage are spitting feathers. What is it that they want, but aren't getting, that you are happy about? How does your Brexit position differ from theirs? | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
.
You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
.
fool on you
.
oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
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again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
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You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
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As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements
Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly.
At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried.
Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims
What is the point? You'll only disagree (again). You've already made your mind up that Brexit is bad and you'd rather stay in the EU, nothing I say or Cask says or any other Brexiter for that matter will change your mind. Just as nothing you say will convince me it's better to remain. As I said, the country was asked the question and the country gave it's answer. We are leaving the EU and this is the path the country has chosen. I'm content and happy about it.
You can remain bitter and angry if you want, you can continue to bitch and moan about it on here like a little cry baby if you want but it won't reverse the decision. The sooner you and other remainers come to terms with the country's decision the sooner we can move onto a better and brighter future outside of the EU. "Don't worry, the almost inevitable second referendum will sort it out. Well sort it "in" to be accurate. | |||
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"Without wishing to tilt this interesting debate in any direction. The USA has a far larger economy than ours...I’m sure both sides will agree. However...we have a balance of trade surplus with USA. That’s without a formal FTAagreement. So from both sides...how do you see this changing, for better or for worse, after brexit.? That's the thing about the global economy. We don't actually import much from America. Mainly aeroplanes and weapons. Levis, Coca-Cola and Apple products don't come from the USA do they? What does America want that we produce? Products or services?" We have a large balance of payments SURPLUS with USA...we sell them MORE than they sell to us.... | |||
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"Without wishing to tilt this interesting debate in any direction. The USA has a far larger economy than ours...I’m sure both sides will agree. However...we have a balance of trade surplus with USA. That’s without a formal FTAagreement. So from both sides...how do you see this changing, for better or for worse, after brexit.? That's the thing about the global economy. We don't actually import much from America. Mainly aeroplanes and weapons. Levis, Coca-Cola and Apple products don't come from the USA do they? What does America want that we produce? Products or services? We have a large balance of payments SURPLUS with USA...we sell them MORE than they sell to us...." Thank you. I understand what a surplus is. However, if we were to negotiate a free trade agreement do you think that the USA would want this situation to remain? Most countries have a surplus with the USA because most products that are thought of as American actually are not physically so. The intent of my question may have been lost though. What is it that the US buys from us and how does this compare with what China or South Korea may want? | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
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fool on you
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oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
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For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements
Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly.
At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried.
Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims
What is the point? You'll only disagree (again). You've already made your mind up that Brexit is bad and you'd rather stay in the EU, nothing I say or Cask says or any other Brexiter for that matter will change your mind. Just as nothing you say will convince me it's better to remain. As I said, the country was asked the question and the country gave it's answer. We are leaving the EU and this is the path the country has chosen. I'm content and happy about it.
You can remain bitter and angry if you want, you can continue to bitch and moan about it on here like a little cry baby if you want but it won't reverse the decision. The sooner you and other remainers come to terms with the country's decision the sooner we can move onto a better and brighter future outside of the EU.
Why are you happy and content when so many other brexiters like Rees Mogg, Banks and Farage are spitting feathers. What is it that they want, but aren't getting, that you are happy about? How does your Brexit position differ from theirs? "Mogg, Farage and Banks are impatient and they want it all right now, I'm happy to continue playing the long game so that's how I differ. Mogg, Farage and Banks don't like the idea of the transition period, but as I've been supporting ukip since around 2004 to get the UK out of the EU I don't think 2 years of transition is that long extra to wait to get the full Brexit we want (which is what international trade secretary Liam Fox also said recently). | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
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fool on you
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oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
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For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements
Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly.
At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried.
Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims
What is the point? You'll only disagree (again). You've already made your mind up that Brexit is bad and you'd rather stay in the EU, nothing I say or Cask says or any other Brexiter for that matter will change your mind. Just as nothing you say will convince me it's better to remain. As I said, the country was asked the question and the country gave it's answer. We are leaving the EU and this is the path the country has chosen. I'm content and happy about it.
You can remain bitter and angry if you want, you can continue to bitch and moan about it on here like a little cry baby if you want but it won't reverse the decision. The sooner you and other remainers come to terms with the country's decision the sooner we can move onto a better and brighter future outside of the EU.
Why are you happy and content when so many other brexiters like Rees Mogg, Banks and Farage are spitting feathers. What is it that they want, but aren't getting, that you are happy about? How does your Brexit position differ from theirs?
Mogg, Farage and Banks are impatient and they want it all right now, I'm happy to continue playing the long game so that's how I differ. Mogg, Farage and Banks don't like the idea of the transition period, but as I've been supporting ukip since around 2004 to get the UK out of the EU I don't think 2 years of transition is that long extra to wait to get the full Brexit we want (which is what international trade secretary Liam Fox also said recently). "
Whoopi do good old Liam Fox
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
.
fool on you
.
oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements
Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly.
At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried.
Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims
What is the point? You'll only disagree (again). You've already made your mind up that Brexit is bad and you'd rather stay in the EU, nothing I say or Cask says or any other Brexiter for that matter will change your mind. Just as nothing you say will convince me it's better to remain. As I said, the country was asked the question and the country gave it's answer. We are leaving the EU and this is the path the country has chosen. I'm content and happy about it.
You can remain bitter and angry if you want, you can continue to bitch and moan about it on here like a little cry baby if you want but it won't reverse the decision. The sooner you and other remainers come to terms with the country's decision the sooner we can move onto a better and brighter future outside of the EU.
Why are you happy and content when so many other brexiters like Rees Mogg, Banks and Farage are spitting feathers. What is it that they want, but aren't getting, that you are happy about? How does your Brexit position differ from theirs?
Mogg, Farage and Banks are impatient and they want it all right now, I'm happy to continue playing the long game so that's how I differ. Mogg, Farage and Banks don't like the idea of the transition period, but as I've been supporting ukip since around 2004 to get the UK out of the EU I don't think 2 years of transition is that long extra to wait to get the full Brexit we want (which is what international trade secretary Liam Fox also said recently).
Whoopi do good old Liam Fox
And you believe that then "I don't have to 'believe' anything, it's just a fact that we'll be fully out of the EU after the 2 year transition/implementation period. | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
.
fool on you
.
oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements
Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly.
At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried.
Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims
What is the point? You'll only disagree (again). You've already made your mind up that Brexit is bad and you'd rather stay in the EU, nothing I say or Cask says or any other Brexiter for that matter will change your mind. Just as nothing you say will convince me it's better to remain. As I said, the country was asked the question and the country gave it's answer. We are leaving the EU and this is the path the country has chosen. I'm content and happy about it.
You can remain bitter and angry if you want, you can continue to bitch and moan about it on here like a little cry baby if you want but it won't reverse the decision. The sooner you and other remainers come to terms with the country's decision the sooner we can move onto a better and brighter future outside of the EU.
Why are you happy and content when so many other brexiters like Rees Mogg, Banks and Farage are spitting feathers. What is it that they want, but aren't getting, that you are happy about? How does your Brexit position differ from theirs?
Mogg, Farage and Banks are impatient and they want it all right now, I'm happy to continue playing the long game so that's how I differ. Mogg, Farage and Banks don't like the idea of the transition period, but as I've been supporting ukip since around 2004 to get the UK out of the EU I don't think 2 years of transition is that long extra to wait to get the full Brexit we want (which is what international trade secretary Liam Fox also said recently).
Whoopi do good old Liam Fox
And you believe that then
I don't have to 'believe' anything, it's just a fact that we'll be fully out of the EU after the 2 year transition/implementation period. "yeah I no that you have told us all every day for the last 18 months | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
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You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
.
fool on you
.
oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements
Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly.
At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried.
Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims
What is the point? You'll only disagree (again). You've already made your mind up that Brexit is bad and you'd rather stay in the EU, nothing I say or Cask says or any other Brexiter for that matter will change your mind. Just as nothing you say will convince me it's better to remain. As I said, the country was asked the question and the country gave it's answer. We are leaving the EU and this is the path the country has chosen. I'm content and happy about it.
You can remain bitter and angry if you want, you can continue to bitch and moan about it on here like a little cry baby if you want but it won't reverse the decision. The sooner you and other remainers come to terms with the country's decision the sooner we can move onto a better and brighter future outside of the EU.
Why are you happy and content when so many other brexiters like Rees Mogg, Banks and Farage are spitting feathers. What is it that they want, but aren't getting, that you are happy about? How does your Brexit position differ from theirs?
Mogg, Farage and Banks are impatient and they want it all right now, I'm happy to continue playing the long game so that's how I differ. Mogg, Farage and Banks don't like the idea of the transition period, but as I've been supporting ukip since around 2004 to get the UK out of the EU I don't think 2 years of transition is that long extra to wait to get the full Brexit we want (which is what international trade secretary Liam Fox also said recently).
Whoopi do good old Liam Fox
And you believe that then
I don't have to 'believe' anything, it's just a fact that we'll be fully out of the EU after the 2 year transition/implementation period. "Perhaps we will, perhaps we won't. Perhaps we will leave but will be paying millions for tariff free trade with no voting rights. Perhaps we will have no deal at all but having to make everything to EU standards to be able to sell to them at a higher tariff than now. On fierce ground now that you can just repeat a trope rather than think hard about something complicated? | |||
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"Easy, if you were born and around in 1938, living in USA you would be one of the many who, on October 30th 1938 ran from your homes up into the hills frightened to death of what you had been told on the radio you listen and believe to much shit, perhaps that is why there are so many losers in this World . wait a minute "Loser" - "Remainer" they seem to go "hand in hand"
.
You listen far too much to "so called experts" all of whom have been proven wrong in the past.
.
fool on you
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oh and as you were getting personal with regards to me being born in the 60's, yes indeed I was, and I done well, very well
as did my parents born in the 20's at a time of poverty, war and outside toilets.
.
For past 20 years I worked as an employee of one of these American companies, except it was 30 weeks holiday per year (annual leave) Full private health insurance which included cover for all previous injury / illness, and a full final salary Pension
.
again you are polluted by the wisdom of experts who are being paid to tell you what you openly want to here
..
You would be one of the many who ran to the hills on 30th October 1938 if you were around then.
.
As a British citizen working for another countries registered company you are entitled to your national rights or equivalent.
Please understand had you beig an american citizen the company might not have offered you the same contract.
They might depending on the nature of the work, your experience and the companies wealth, but its not what I hear from friends in the states.
What does 1938 have to do with experts? Enough rhetoric and more explanation of your statements
Once out of the realms of generalities and easy sound bites neither Centaur or Cask can form a coherent argument beyond accusing anyone who disagrees with them that they want the UK to fail or are in some way cowardly.
At least, in this instance, Centaur made some effort but reverted to form when challenged to explain his standard phrases. Cask hasn't even tried.
Go on Brexiteers. Try working through the logic of your claims
What is the point? You'll only disagree (again). You've already made your mind up that Brexit is bad and you'd rather stay in the EU, nothing I say or Cask says or any other Brexiter for that matter will change your mind. Just as nothing you say will convince me it's better to remain. As I said, the country was asked the question and the country gave it's answer. We are leaving the EU and this is the path the country has chosen. I'm content and happy about it.
You can remain bitter and angry if you want, you can continue to bitch and moan about it on here like a little cry baby if you want but it won't reverse the decision. The sooner you and other remainers come to terms with the country's decision the sooner we can move onto a better and brighter future outside of the EU.
Why are you happy and content when so many other brexiters like Rees Mogg, Banks and Farage are spitting feathers. What is it that they want, but aren't getting, that you are happy about? How does your Brexit position differ from theirs?
Mogg, Farage and Banks are impatient and they want it all right now, I'm happy to continue playing the long game so that's how I differ. Mogg, Farage and Banks don't like the idea of the transition period, but as I've been supporting ukip since around 2004 to get the UK out of the EU I don't think 2 years of transition is that long extra to wait to get the full Brexit we want (which is what international trade secretary Liam Fox also said recently).
Whoopi do good old Liam Fox
And you believe that then
I don't have to 'believe' anything, it's just a fact that we'll be fully out of the EU after the 2 year transition/implementation period.
Perhaps we will, perhaps we won't. Perhaps we will leave but will be paying millions for tariff free trade with no voting rights. Perhaps we will have no deal at all but having to make everything to EU standards to be able to sell to them at a higher tariff than now.
On fierce ground now that you can just repeat a trope rather than think hard about something complicated? "Firmer ground* | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? " Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade." So yes then? Once a criminal always a criminal. Best not to let any of them out I guess. Those are the UK statistics right? We have very bad offending rates despite all the money and effort we put into...oh, yeah, right. Of course, I assume that some EU states may also have parole terms that need to be followed that restrict travel... That statistic of immigrants being 4% of the population and 3% of criminals? Does that make this a concern of high significance? | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade." Also hugely off topic. Start a new thread. How about the three questions I asked about? Any opinions on those? | |||
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"I don't have much success on here getting leave voters to answer direct questions. It amuses me to keep trying though as not answering demonstrates quite a lot
So, let's see how you fair this time:
When the leave the EU why will South Korea want to sign a trade deal with the UK alone than with the EU? It may prove useful if you could define "better".
Once we have left the EU why will we be able to sell more goods and services to China than we do now? Perhaps in this answer someone could define what China may wish to purchase from the UK?
What EU derived rules and regulations will substantially improve the lives of UK citizens of they were removed? Defining three significant ones would probably prove the point.
My guess is that these three questions will be answered directly by nobody.
Good be a dull thread "Bigger doesn’t mean better. Given the Eu is so varied, there may have been concession made which while beneficial for the EU hurt Uk disproportionately. The ability to bespoke to our needs may outweighs the loss of size China is building for the future. What knows what this brings but given the pace of change it is likely to build stronger ties with those who can move at a similar pace. The Eu, due to its culture of agreement may not be reactionary enough. It’s culture of protectionism May also be a mill stone. Recent financial regulation shows that while the Eu may have good intents, directives may not always be written in a way which has a useful sense. So it’s not regualtion is and per se. Just unhelpful. Our regualator can apply more common sense and not be hamstrung. *this message was written in deference to the cognitive bias thread | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. Also hugely off topic. Start a new thread. How about the three questions I asked about? Any opinions on those?" Off topic? I was responding to something you posted....and you're the OP. | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. Also hugely off topic. Start a new thread. How about the three questions I asked about? Any opinions on those? Off topic? I was responding to something you posted....and you're the OP. " You may have noticed that I was just rebutting one of Centaurs diversionary ramblings confected to outrage Daily Mail readers. I have no intention of being distracted by his ramblings. You haven't really addressed the three initial questions... | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. Also hugely off topic. Start a new thread. How about the three questions I asked about? Any opinions on those? Off topic? I was responding to something you posted....and you're the OP. You may have noticed that I was just rebutting one of Centaurs diversionary ramblings confected to outrage Daily Mail readers. I have no intention of being distracted by his ramblings. You haven't really addressed the three initial questions..." It wasn't a 'diversionary rambling' as you put it. You asked which EU rules and regulations being scrapped would benefit UK citizens and that was one of three examples I gave so was completely ON TOPIC. | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. Also hugely off topic. Start a new thread. How about the three questions I asked about? Any opinions on those? Off topic? I was responding to something you posted....and you're the OP. You may have noticed that I was just rebutting one of Centaurs diversionary ramblings confected to outrage Daily Mail readers. I have no intention of being distracted by his ramblings. You haven't really addressed the three initial questions... It wasn't a 'diversionary rambling' as you put it. You asked which EU rules and regulations being scrapped would benefit UK citizens and that was one of three examples I gave so was completely ON TOPIC. " Equating immigration with crime? Really? Demonising "the other" never gets old does it?  | |||
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"I don't have much success on here getting leave voters to answer direct questions. It amuses me to keep trying though as not answering demonstrates quite a lot
So, let's see how you fair this time:
When the leave the EU why will South Korea want to sign a trade deal with the UK alone than with the EU? It may prove useful if you could define "better".
Once we have left the EU why will we be able to sell more goods and services to China than we do now? Perhaps in this answer someone could define what China may wish to purchase from the UK?
What EU derived rules and regulations will substantially improve the lives of UK citizens of they were removed? Defining three significant ones would probably prove the point.
My guess is that these three questions will be answered directly by nobody.
Good be a dull thread
Bigger doesn’t mean better. Given the Eu is so varied, there may have been concession made which while beneficial for the EU hurt Uk disproportionately. The ability to bespoke to our needs may outweighs the loss of size
China is building for the future. What knows what this brings but given the pace of change it is likely to build stronger ties with those who can move at a similar pace. The Eu, due to its culture of agreement may not be reactionary enough. It’s culture of protectionism May also be a mill stone.
Recent financial regulation shows that while the Eu may have good intents, directives may not always be written in a way which has a useful sense. So it’s not regualtion is and per se. Just unhelpful. Our regualator can apply more common sense and not be hamstrung.
*this message was written in deference to the cognitive bias thread "Any EU state can veto a trade deal until the terms are acceptable. That's one of the reasons that it takes a long time to negotiate them. They are also just complicated as single nations can take just as long. Germany manages to do a great deal of trade with China whilst in the EU. Are we going to be friends with China or the USA? Seems mutually exclusive right now and could be a gain in the future. We will be expected to be someone's poodle for what ever deal is dictated to us. Our relative size to either gives us little or no leverage either way. Our regulators (which we will now have to fund alone) can make whatever regulations they like. We'll still have to work to those of the EU if we wish to sell there. Also, a deal with the USA or China Indore likely to follow their requirements. A pretty pointless domestic "power" for a trading nation. | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. So yes then? Once a criminal always a criminal. Best not to let any of them out I guess. Those are the UK statistics right? We have very bad offending rates despite all the money and effort we put into...oh, yeah, right. Of course, I assume that some EU states may also have parole terms that need to be followed that restrict travel... That statistic of immigrants being 4% of the population and 3% of criminals? Does that make this a concern of high significance?" Source please. Full fact says different. "Foreign citizens make up 9% of the general population and 12% of the prison population in England and Wales." https://fullfact.org/immigration/foreigners-prison/ | |||
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"I’ve got lost in the stupid fab quote system ... But wasn’t the point we can control immigration of those with criminal records rather than say immigrants have a higher tendency to be criminals ? Except that immigrants commit less crime than the native population. The total immigrant criminal population is 3% of immigrants who are only 4% of the total population. That's a "problem" of 0.01%. Dangerous criminals can be barred from entry anyway." I’m not agreeing with the POV. Just trying to clarify the position. Your stats may suggest the impact of the perceived advantage is small... but that is different to where the argument seemed to be going which was one of implied racisim. | |||
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"I’ve got lost in the stupid fab quote system ... But wasn’t the point we can control immigration of those with criminal records rather than say immigrants have a higher tendency to be criminals ? Should Swindon be able to stop criminals from Swansea or Stirling? " I don’t follow your point. But mine wasn’t one of agreement with centaur. But if a thread asks for brexit benefits, and then (from how I read it) misinterpreted a potential argument to cry *brecit racist* then I wanted to challenge others to see if I had misread. | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. So yes then? Once a criminal always a criminal. Best not to let any of them out I guess. Those are the UK statistics right? We have very bad offending rates despite all the money and effort we put into...oh, yeah, right. Of course, I assume that some EU states may also have parole terms that need to be followed that restrict travel... That statistic of immigrants being 4% of the population and 3% of criminals? Does that make this a concern of high significance? Source please. Full fact says different. "Foreign citizens make up 9% of the general population and 12% of the prison population in England and Wales." https://fullfact.org/immigration/foreigners-prison/" That figure is for immigrants in custody. That includes those in immigrant removal centres. I don't of that makes them criminals. I assume they haven't necessarily committed a crime that a British national would be recognised as committing. My figures were a little outdated and referring to EU nationals. From a 2013 LSE paper. EU nationals now 6% of the population (from full fact) but no more likely to commit crime than the native population as far as I can see, but no more recent data. | |||
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"I’ve got lost in the stupid fab quote system ... But wasn’t the point we can control immigration of those with criminal records rather than say immigrants have a higher tendency to be criminals ? Should Swindon be able to stop criminals from Swansea or Stirling? I don’t follow your point. But mine wasn’t one of agreement with centaur. But if a thread asks for brexit benefits, and then (from how I read it) misinterpreted a potential argument to cry *brecit racist* then I wanted to challenge others to see if I had misread. " I'm not calling anyone a racist. I'm questioning the automatic linking of immigration and crime when an immigrant is no more likely to be a criminal than anyone else. It's meaningless yet always stated in the same sentence to link it in people's minds. Full fact also has this on the "police statistics" that Centaur quotes: "ATM crimes The claim that 90% of crime at ATMs (or cash machines) is the work of Romanian gangs has often been repeated in the press as far back as early 2012. It can be traced back to DCI Paul Barnard , then head of the Dedicated Cheque and Plastic Crime Unit (DCPCU) - a police unit run in partnership with banks and financial services companies. DCI Barnard told ITV1's 'Fraud Squad' programme that: "The fact is 92 per cent of all ATM fraud we see in this country is committed by Romanian nationals." We spoke to the DCPCU hoping to find out more, but were told that DCI Barnard was no longer head of the unit, and that no further details were held on this particular claim. Although a spokesperson did tell us that the figure was based on "police intelligence at the time", he also said that no statistics were available on the issue." It could be true, or it's an assumption based on the most recent cases the officer looked at, or it was nonsense. Also the assertion that the EU immigration rules are "hated". I'm sure they are, by some. Some people hate Marmite too. So what? | |||
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"I’ve got lost in the stupid fab quote system ... But wasn’t the point we can control immigration of those with criminal records rather than say immigrants have a higher tendency to be criminals ? Should Swindon be able to stop criminals from Swansea or Stirling? I don’t follow your point. But mine wasn’t one of agreement with centaur. But if a thread asks for brexit benefits, and then (from how I read it) misinterpreted a potential argument to cry *brecit racist* then I wanted to challenge others to see if I had misread. I'm not calling anyone a racist. I'm questioning the automatic linking of immigration and crime when an immigrant is no more likely to be a criminal than anyone else. It's meaningless yet always stated in the same sentence to link it in people's minds. Full fact also has this on the "police statistics" that Centaur quotes: "ATM crimes The claim that 90% of crime at ATMs (or cash machines) is the work of Romanian gangs has often been repeated in the press as far back as early 2012. It can be traced back to DCI Paul Barnard , then head of the Dedicated Cheque and Plastic Crime Unit (DCPCU) - a police unit run in partnership with banks and financial services companies. DCI Barnard told ITV1's 'Fraud Squad' programme that: "The fact is 92 per cent of all ATM fraud we see in this country is committed by Romanian nationals." We spoke to the DCPCU hoping to find out more, but were told that DCI Barnard was no longer head of the unit, and that no further details were held on this particular claim. Although a spokesperson did tell us that the figure was based on "police intelligence at the time", he also said that no statistics were available on the issue." It could be true, or it's an assumption based on the most recent cases the officer looked at, or it was nonsense. Also the assertion that the EU immigration rules are "hated". I'm sure they are, by some. Some people hate Marmite too. So what?" EU immigration rules were hated, fact. That is one reason that so many voted for brexit perhaps they despise UE rules more than Marmite, just perhaps | |||
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"I’ve got lost in the stupid fab quote system ... But wasn’t the point we can control immigration of those with criminal records rather than say immigrants have a higher tendency to be criminals ? Should Swindon be able to stop criminals from Swansea or Stirling? I don’t follow your point. But mine wasn’t one of agreement with centaur. But if a thread asks for brexit benefits, and then (from how I read it) misinterpreted a potential argument to cry *brecit racist* then I wanted to challenge others to see if I had misread. I'm not calling anyone a racist. I'm questioning the automatic linking of immigration and crime when an immigrant is no more likely to be a criminal than anyone else. It's meaningless yet always stated in the same sentence to link it in people's minds. Full fact also has this on the "police statistics" that Centaur quotes: "ATM crimes The claim that 90% of crime at ATMs (or cash machines) is the work of Romanian gangs has often been repeated in the press as far back as early 2012. It can be traced back to DCI Paul Barnard , then head of the Dedicated Cheque and Plastic Crime Unit (DCPCU) - a police unit run in partnership with banks and financial services companies. DCI Barnard told ITV1's 'Fraud Squad' programme that: "The fact is 92 per cent of all ATM fraud we see in this country is committed by Romanian nationals." We spoke to the DCPCU hoping to find out more, but were told that DCI Barnard was no longer head of the unit, and that no further details were held on this particular claim. Although a spokesperson did tell us that the figure was based on "police intelligence at the time", he also said that no statistics were available on the issue." It could be true, or it's an assumption based on the most recent cases the officer looked at, or it was nonsense. Also the assertion that the EU immigration rules are "hated". I'm sure they are, by some. Some people hate Marmite too. So what? EU immigration rules were hated, fact. That is one reason that so many voted for brexit perhaps they despise UE rules more than Marmite, just perhaps" There were EU immigration rules set up in 2004 - the fact the UK chose not to follow them is not anyone's fault other than the UK! Rules are: If your going to be in a country for more than 90 days: 1. Must have sufficient capital and income not to be a burden on the host state. 2. Must have comprehensive medical cover not to be a burden on the host state. 3. Not be a security risk. If they don't fit they can't stay - unless studying or actually working and paying UK tax . | |||
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"I’ve got lost in the stupid fab quote system ... But wasn’t the point we can control immigration of those with criminal records rather than say immigrants have a higher tendency to be criminals ? Should Swindon be able to stop criminals from Swansea or Stirling? I don’t follow your point. But mine wasn’t one of agreement with centaur. But if a thread asks for brexit benefits, and then (from how I read it) misinterpreted a potential argument to cry *brecit racist* then I wanted to challenge others to see if I had misread. I'm not calling anyone a racist. I'm questioning the automatic linking of immigration and crime when an immigrant is no more likely to be a criminal than anyone else. It's meaningless yet always stated in the same sentence to link it in people's minds. Full fact also has this on the "police statistics" that Centaur quotes: "ATM crimes The claim that 90% of crime at ATMs (or cash machines) is the work of Romanian gangs has often been repeated in the press as far back as early 2012. It can be traced back to DCI Paul Barnard , then head of the Dedicated Cheque and Plastic Crime Unit (DCPCU) - a police unit run in partnership with banks and financial services companies. DCI Barnard told ITV1's 'Fraud Squad' programme that: "The fact is 92 per cent of all ATM fraud we see in this country is committed by Romanian nationals." We spoke to the DCPCU hoping to find out more, but were told that DCI Barnard was no longer head of the unit, and that no further details were held on this particular claim. Although a spokesperson did tell us that the figure was based on "police intelligence at the time", he also said that no statistics were available on the issue." It could be true, or it's an assumption based on the most recent cases the officer looked at, or it was nonsense. Also the assertion that the EU immigration rules are "hated". I'm sure they are, by some. Some people hate Marmite too. So what? EU immigration rules were hated, fact. That is one reason that so many voted for brexit perhaps they despise UE rules more than Marmite, just perhaps" ...and slightly fewer didn't hate the immigration rules. So what? Are you planning to address any of the three initial questions directly? That is the actual purpose of the thread. | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. So yes then? Once a criminal always a criminal. Best not to let any of them out I guess. Those are the UK statistics right? We have very bad offending rates despite all the money and effort we put into...oh, yeah, right. Of course, I assume that some EU states may also have parole terms that need to be followed that restrict travel... That statistic of immigrants being 4% of the population and 3% of criminals? Does that make this a concern of high significance? Source please. Full fact says different. "Foreign citizens make up 9% of the general population and 12% of the prison population in England and Wales." https://fullfact.org/immigration/foreigners-prison/" Good to push me for my sources. Better if you could address the fundamental questions that I posed. Only Centaur has made a comprehensive effort so far. | |||
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"I’ve got lost in the stupid fab quote system ... But wasn’t the point we can control immigration of those with criminal records rather than say immigrants have a higher tendency to be criminals ? Should Swindon be able to stop criminals from Swansea or Stirling? I don’t follow your point. But mine wasn’t one of agreement with centaur. But if a thread asks for brexit benefits, and then (from how I read it) misinterpreted a potential argument to cry *brecit racist* then I wanted to challenge others to see if I had misread. I'm not calling anyone a racist. I'm questioning the automatic linking of immigration and crime when an immigrant is no more likely to be a criminal than anyone else. It's meaningless yet always stated in the same sentence to link it in people's minds. Full fact also has this on the "police statistics" that Centaur quotes: "ATM crimes The claim that 90% of crime at ATMs (or cash machines) is the work of Romanian gangs has often been repeated in the press as far back as early 2012. It can be traced back to DCI Paul Barnard , then head of the Dedicated Cheque and Plastic Crime Unit (DCPCU) - a police unit run in partnership with banks and financial services companies. DCI Barnard told ITV1's 'Fraud Squad' programme that: "The fact is 92 per cent of all ATM fraud we see in this country is committed by Romanian nationals." We spoke to the DCPCU hoping to find out more, but were told that DCI Barnard was no longer head of the unit, and that no further details were held on this particular claim. Although a spokesperson did tell us that the figure was based on "police intelligence at the time", he also said that no statistics were available on the issue." It could be true, or it's an assumption based on the most recent cases the officer looked at, or it was nonsense. Also the assertion that the EU immigration rules are "hated". I'm sure they are, by some. Some people hate Marmite too. So what? EU immigration rules were hated, fact. That is one reason that so many voted for brexit perhaps they despise UE rules more than Marmite, just perhaps There were EU immigration rules set up in 2004 - the fact the UK chose not to follow them is not anyone's fault other than the UK! Rules are: If your going to be in a country for more than 90 days: 1. Must have sufficient capital and income not to be a burden on the host state. 2. Must have comprehensive medical cover not to be a burden on the host state. 3. Not be a security risk. If they don't fit they can't stay - unless studying or actually working and paying UK tax ." 90 days is unacceptable, we should be able to refuse entry from day number 1. | |||
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"I’ve got lost in the stupid fab quote system ... But wasn’t the point we can control immigration of those with criminal records rather than say immigrants have a higher tendency to be criminals ? Should Swindon be able to stop criminals from Swansea or Stirling? I don’t follow your point. But mine wasn’t one of agreement with centaur. But if a thread asks for brexit benefits, and then (from how I read it) misinterpreted a potential argument to cry *brecit racist* then I wanted to challenge others to see if I had misread. I'm not calling anyone a racist. I'm questioning the automatic linking of immigration and crime when an immigrant is no more likely to be a criminal than anyone else. It's meaningless yet always stated in the same sentence to link it in people's minds. Full fact also has this on the "police statistics" that Centaur quotes: "ATM crimes The claim that 90% of crime at ATMs (or cash machines) is the work of Romanian gangs has often been repeated in the press as far back as early 2012. It can be traced back to DCI Paul Barnard , then head of the Dedicated Cheque and Plastic Crime Unit (DCPCU) - a police unit run in partnership with banks and financial services companies. DCI Barnard told ITV1's 'Fraud Squad' programme that: "The fact is 92 per cent of all ATM fraud we see in this country is committed by Romanian nationals." We spoke to the DCPCU hoping to find out more, but were told that DCI Barnard was no longer head of the unit, and that no further details were held on this particular claim. Although a spokesperson did tell us that the figure was based on "police intelligence at the time", he also said that no statistics were available on the issue." It could be true, or it's an assumption based on the most recent cases the officer looked at, or it was nonsense. Also the assertion that the EU immigration rules are "hated". I'm sure they are, by some. Some people hate Marmite too. So what? EU immigration rules were hated, fact. That is one reason that so many voted for brexit perhaps they despise UE rules more than Marmite, just perhaps There were EU immigration rules set up in 2004 - the fact the UK chose not to follow them is not anyone's fault other than the UK! Rules are: If your going to be in a country for more than 90 days: 1. Must have sufficient capital and income not to be a burden on the host state. 2. Must have comprehensive medical cover not to be a burden on the host state. 3. Not be a security risk. If they don't fit they can't stay - unless studying or actually working and paying UK tax . 90 days is unacceptable, we should be able to refuse entry from day number 1. " We can if they are a security risk. | |||
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"despite brextremist subversion attempts to distract from the facts, it's now completely clear with the release of cabinet brextremist papers today, that the so called 'benefits of brexit' were abject lies and falsehoods. now the leave campaign's facade of misinformation, myth, deception, fabrication and dishonesty has been stripped away and revealed for what it is .... utter idiotic bullshit falangism. " Ah the Buzzfeed leak again on an alleged government document saying the UK economy will grow 8% less as a result of Brexit. Why should anyone believe these forecasts and predictions so far all predictions and forecasts about Brexit have turned out to be wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform the so called experts expectations. | |||
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"despite brextremist subversion attempts to distract from the facts, it's now completely clear with the release of cabinet brextremist papers today, that the so called 'benefits of brexit' were abject lies and falsehoods. now the leave campaign's facade of misinformation, myth, deception, fabrication and dishonesty has been stripped away and revealed for what it is .... utter idiotic bullshit falangism. Ah the Buzzfeed leak again on an alleged government document saying the UK economy will grow 8% less as a result of Brexit. Why should anyone believe these forecasts and predictions so far all predictions and forecasts about Brexit have turned out to be wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform the so called experts expectations. " There’s a dam site more believe it than don’t The torture party are in chaos Strong and stable is crumbling by the day Its laughable Just a matter of time now | |||
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What better, more tailored, free trade deal would we like with South Korea than we have now? Should they be more keen to trade freely than the UK than with the entire EU?
Should we get a free trade deal with the USA or China? Do you think we can get both considering their current relationship?
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"despite brextremist subversion attempts to distract from the facts, it's now completely clear with the release of cabinet brextremist papers today, that the so called 'benefits of brexit' were abject lies and falsehoods. now the leave campaign's facade of misinformation, myth, deception, fabrication and dishonesty has been stripped away and revealed for what it is .... utter idiotic bullshit falangism. Ah the Buzzfeed leak again on an alleged government document saying the UK economy will grow 8% less as a result of Brexit. Why should anyone believe these forecasts and predictions so far all predictions and forecasts about Brexit have turned out to be wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform the so called experts expectations. " It's not outperforming everybody else in the current international boom. Don't get me wrong, there's a crash coming for everyone, but we will not have been making hay and our home market will have shrunk to 65 million when the drawbridges are pulled up  | |||
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"Use google my friend, your questions will be answered First fail within minutes
You tell me if you are able "You mean you do not want to know as your such a narrow minded bigot. Why waste time on such sad negative individuals. I watched a film today,Darkest Hour and a lot of politions where like you remainers,happy to be part of the German Empire.Thank god for Churchill who belived in this nation and yes we won as even you know. You should be ashamed at your own narrow minded pathetic attitudes. Yes I know this is a very different event but it is about attitude and being part of this nation | |||
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"despite brextremist subversion attempts to distract from the facts, it's now completely clear with the release of cabinet brextremist papers today, that the so called 'benefits of brexit' were abject lies and falsehoods. now the leave campaign's facade of misinformation, myth, deception, fabrication and dishonesty has been stripped away and revealed for what it is .... utter idiotic bullshit falangism. Ah the Buzzfeed leak again on an alleged government document saying the UK economy will grow 8% less as a result of Brexit. Why should anyone believe these forecasts and predictions so far all predictions and forecasts about Brexit have turned out to be wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform the so called experts expectations. " Pot calling the kettle black! Leave are guessing the future - oh yes the distinguished economist Patrick Minford - adviser to Margaret Thatcher, didn't they do well? Squandered North Sea Oil, sold off the state's assets at knock down prices - council houses, utilities etc. Yeah he has a brilliant track record. I reckon you should borrow Gove's statement - we are sick of experts - especially old ones! | |||
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"Use google my friend, your questions will be answered First fail within minutes
You tell me if you are able You mean you do not want to know as your such a narrow minded bigot.
Why waste time on such sad negative individuals.
I watched a film today,Darkest Hour and a lot of politions where like you remainers,happy to be part of the German Empire.Thank god for Churchill who belived in this nation and yes we won as even you know.
You should be ashamed at your own narrow minded pathetic attitudes.
Yes I know this is a very different event but it is about attitude and being part of this nation
"I asked the questions. I do want to know
To draw parallels between Brexit and WWII belittles exactly the heroism that did go into defeating Nazism.
This country defended itself because it was threatened and fortunately had a vast network in its Empire to support it.
This time around we've chosen to put ourselves in peril and have turned our backs on our closest friends.
Have you got any answers or just the standard bluster when asked to deliver on the jingoistic Leave catch-phrases? | |||
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"Use google my friend, your questions will be answered First fail within minutes
You tell me if you are able You mean you do not want to know as your such a narrow minded bigot.
Why waste time on such sad negative individuals.
I watched a film today,Darkest Hour and a lot of politions where like you remainers,happy to be part of the German Empire.Thank god for Churchill who belived in this nation and yes we won as even you know.
You should be ashamed at your own narrow minded pathetic attitudes.
Yes I know this is a very different event but it is about attitude and being part of this nation
"Regrettably there are many people just like you whose Brexit fantasies mirror WW2 ideals of Britain standing alone and sticking it to the Hun to save the world. The world has moved on, and so should you. Things are not like that anymore and those fantasies are where they belong - in story books and in Hollywood. | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. So yes then? Once a criminal always a criminal. Best not to let any of them out I guess. Those are the UK statistics right? We have very bad offending rates despite all the money and effort we put into...oh, yeah, right. Of course, I assume that some EU states may also have parole terms that need to be followed that restrict travel... That statistic of immigrants being 4% of the population and 3% of criminals? Does that make this a concern of high significance? Source please. Full fact says different. "Foreign citizens make up 9% of the general population and 12% of the prison population in England and Wales." https://fullfact.org/immigration/foreigners-prison/ Good to push me for my sources. Better if you could address the fundamental questions that I posed. Only Centaur has made a comprehensive effort so far." I made an effort. Albeit one fro a devils advocate POV. Btw are your numbers non uk or Eu only ? I can only find stats on non EU. | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. So yes then? Once a criminal always a criminal. Best not to let any of them out I guess. Those are the UK statistics right? We have very bad offending rates despite all the money and effort we put into...oh, yeah, right. Of course, I assume that some EU states may also have parole terms that need to be followed that restrict travel... That statistic of immigrants being 4% of the population and 3% of criminals? Does that make this a concern of high significance? Source please. Full fact says different. "Foreign citizens make up 9% of the general population and 12% of the prison population in England and Wales." https://fullfact.org/immigration/foreigners-prison/ Good to push me for my sources. Better if you could address the fundamental questions that I posed. Only Centaur has made a comprehensive effort so far. I made an effort. Albeit one fro a devils advocate POV. Btw are your numbers non uk or Eu only ? I can only find stats on non EU. " You did a better job than the Leavers have (except for Centaur who made a good effort but failed to follow up). Very little EU immigrant crime data: My figures were a little outdated and referring to EU nationals. From a 2013 LSE paper. EU nationals now 6% of the population (from full fact) but no more likely to commit crime than the native population as far as I can see, but no more recent data. I wonder if I'll have to write a Brexiteer answer to my questions? If I do, I'm not inclined to argue with myself too! It would be interesting if a Leaver would then argue the Remain case, but they've never shown any inclination orto ability to examine their own opinions in the past. Perhaps it will need to be another remainer | |||
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" My understanding was also that a conviction followed by serving a prison sentence allows people the opportunity to change their ways or is it once a criminal always a criminal? Full fact, Feb 2016. We've put together some factchecks... for England and Wales: 46% of adult prisoners were proven to have re-offended within a year of release in the most recent statistics. The figure is 60% for people sentenced to less than a year. These figures are for people released between April 2013 and March 2014. The overall rate of proven re-offending has remained stable for the past decade. So yes then? Once a criminal always a criminal. Best not to let any of them out I guess. Those are the UK statistics right? We have very bad offending rates despite all the money and effort we put into...oh, yeah, right. Of course, I assume that some EU states may also have parole terms that need to be followed that restrict travel... That statistic of immigrants being 4% of the population and 3% of criminals? Does that make this a concern of high significance? Source please. Full fact says different. "Foreign citizens make up 9% of the general population and 12% of the prison population in England and Wales." https://fullfact.org/immigration/foreigners-prison/ Good to push me for my sources. Better if you could address the fundamental questions that I posed. Only Centaur has made a comprehensive effort so far. I made an effort. Albeit one fro a devils advocate POV. Btw are your numbers non uk or Eu only ? I can only find stats on non EU. You did a better job than the Leavers have (except for Centaur who made a good effort but failed to follow up). Very little EU immigrant crime data: My figures were a little outdated and referring to EU nationals. From a 2013 LSE paper. EU nationals now 6% of the population (from full fact) but no more likely to commit crime than the native population as far as I can see, but no more recent data. I wonder if I'll have to write a Brexiteer answer to my questions? If I do, I'm not inclined to argue with myself too! It would be interesting if a Leaver would then argue the Remain case, but they've never shown any inclination orto ability to examine their own opinions in the past. Perhaps it will need to be another remainer "50 50 split of Eu to non Eu and the Numbers make sense Now the question is how many of the Eu citizens who do commit a crime in the uk could be ed out by any immigration checks. As if it was say 50% then that could mean a drop in crime of 3%. Assuming 6% of crimes are EU. However if I were to believe this position I would need to see that the non Eu % of jail Bird’s was smaller than the non EU population %. I suspect such data is not easily available. | |||
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" one benefit ..we wont be pushed around and told what to do by Germany.. a country that started and lost 2 world wars and now seem to be running Europe .... another benefit is throwing a spanner in the works of globalisation..for which we should all be grateful ..plenty more tho i'll stop there " I'm not asking for "benefits". I'm asking you to engage with some complex questions. Any ideas? | |||
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" one benefit ..we wont be pushed around and told what to do by Germany.. a country that started and lost 2 world wars and now seem to be running Europe .... another benefit is throwing a spanner in the works of globalisation..for which we should all be grateful ..plenty more tho i'll stop there " Wow | |||
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"qq - as an expat do I need to do anything to apply for my Brexit Bonanza, or will a cheque arrive in the post? "The unicorns will deliver them | |||
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"qq - as an expat do I need to do anything to apply for my Brexit Bonanza, or will a cheque arrive in the post? "You just need to state which currency you prefer your payments to be made in. They are sent almost forever, due to the near infinite levels of benefits that the plane crash will deliver | |||
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"qq - as an expat do I need to do anything to apply for my Brexit Bonanza, or will a cheque arrive in the post?
The unicorns will deliver them"We're not good at tracking down unicorns, thus far  | |||
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"qq - as an expat do I need to do anything to apply for my Brexit Bonanza, or will a cheque arrive in the post?
The unicorns will deliver them
We're not good at tracking down unicorns, thus far "Don't worry I'm sure a brexiter has seen one shitting glitter in their back garden at least once. | |||
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"qq - as an expat do I need to do anything to apply for my Brexit Bonanza, or will a cheque arrive in the post?
The unicorns will deliver them
We're not good at tracking down unicorns, thus far Don't worry I'm sure a brexiter has seen one shitting glitter in their back garden at least once."Result - looks like I was worrying about nothing | |||
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"qq - as an expat do I need to do anything to apply for my Brexit Bonanza, or will a cheque arrive in the post?
The unicorns will deliver them
We're not good at tracking down unicorns, thus far Don't worry I'm sure a brexiter has seen one shitting glitter in their back garden at least once.
Result - looks like I was worrying about nothing "nope, only deer in my garden but they don't stay standing for long, very quickly in the freezer | |||
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"qq - as an expat do I need to do anything to apply for my Brexit Bonanza, or will a cheque arrive in the post?
The unicorns will deliver them
We're not good at tracking down unicorns, thus far Don't worry I'm sure a brexiter has seen one shitting glitter in their back garden at least once.
Result - looks like I was worrying about nothing
nope, only deer in my garden but they don't stay standing for long, very quickly in the freezer"So ... The unicorns made off with the Brexit money? | |||
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